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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 1st April 2009 18:17)

Since I pity the foo who goes up against Mr. T, I might actually be inclined to vote for Carrot Top. However, that picture is just ridiculous.

I abstain for now.

If you're talking about the Carrot Top photo, I'm with you on that one. when I saw it I was like "WTF Mate??!!" There are nooooo words.

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Mr. T.

April Fools! Of course!

Everyone knows that nobody can touch Mr. T. Carrot Top is the real April Fool!


And the total, as if it mattered, was 18 - 2 in favor of the T.

I pity the fools who voted Carrot Top!


Now, onto the REAL fight this week. And this one has been burning a hole in my pocket since I thought of it. But it was specially designed to help ring in the Chrono Trigger section of the Caves of Narshe.

To help pave the way for awesomeness, we are going to pit the 7 main characters in a fight against a character each depicting one of CoN's other sections.

It's Chrono Trigger vs. the Caves of Narshe All-Stars!

Each one will be one-on-one, then the group with the most wins at the end is the winning group. Let's begin.

Representing the original Final Fantasy...



Ayla vs. Marilith
As feral, proud, and powerful a cavewoman as they come. But can she dominate against the powerful serpentine sword swinging guardian?

Representing Final Fantasy IV



Crono vs. Cecil
Our heady protagonists square off. This is the heavy weight fight of the match, if you ask me.

Representing Final Fantasy V



Magus vs. ExDeath
Two vicious, dominating, insanely powerful black sorcerers square off. It's hard to believe one of them is a good guy.

Representing Final Fantasy VI



Robo vs. Cyan
If Cyan has a problem with machines, he'll have a devil of a time with a walking, fighting machine. Can Sword techs save him?

Representing Final Fantasy VII



Marle vs. Yuffie
More alike than you would first think. One has the magic edge, while the other deals with a more potent weapon.


Continued next post...

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Representing Final Fantasy Tactics



Frog vs. Ramza
Don't mess with a bipedal amphibian who wields the world's strongest sword... unless you're Ramza.

Representing "General Squenix Games"



Lucca vs. Rikku
Brains and guns and firepower. How does one like this Sphere Hunter respond?


Bring it on!


Exceptions to the Fights: Oh, so many exceptions...

Each of the Chrono Trigger kids have all their magics in tact. However, since they fight separately, no Dual or Triple Techs.

Cecil has full magic

Cyan has no magic, just Sword Techs

Yuffie has Cure and Lightning materia.

Ramza is in a knight class for this battle.


...And despite the fact that we could do it as RPG style with HP and MP and stats and all that jazz, please remember... melee style battle. How would they do if they literally just went hand to hand, with no time gauges or preset magic spells, et. al.



Alright then. Go!

Huzzahs all around of Chrono Trigger on CoN!

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The corner bends into the perfect dog ear
As if the words knew I'd need them again
But at the time, I didn't see it."

~"This Ain't a Surfin' Movie" - Minus the Bear

Kary (Marilith) gets the first one. I know, that Ayla's one powerful cavewoman, but Kary's got a lot of damage coming from her and Ayla can't really keep up.

In the second one, I vote for Crono. It doesn't matter, that Cecil can heal, he just can't heal fast enough for the insane damage Crono can deal, and he certainly can't do anything nearly as powerful as Crono's ultimate Techs.

In his fight against ExDeath, Magus meets a tough match. But since we're not talking about the insanely powerful NeoExDeath, I daresay Magus will outwit him.

In Robo vs Cyan I see a tie. Yes. A tie. I can't see either of the two fighters getting the upper hand, and I'm short on coins to toss.

Marle heals herself until she runs out of MP. Then Yuffie kills her with sharp object. You can't win if you can't return fire.

In Frog vs. Ramza I almost decided to call it a tie again. But I remembered, that when battles between knights are decided, one should always consider heroism, and there are few things more heroic, than a knight who's been turned into a frog and keeps kicking ass. Glenn all the way.

Less annoying, much smarter and has fire magic to boot. This battle goes to Lucca.

Huzzah!

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Going with Marilith on this one, probably for the fact that she is six armed serpent and Ayla fights with a stick.

This is a good one, a really tough one as well, but I'm going to say that because cecil is a paladin (I assumed by the picture), then he'll be fighting a little more conservatively and defensivley than chrono or his dark night form. True, he is a paladin and therefore a tank, but chrono's techs will claim the victory here.

Magus, no question. Like SM said, if it's not NeoExDeath then there's no way magus couldn't handle it.

Going to have to go with Robo due to Cyan's total inability to deal with machines

Marle was always useless to me in CT, so yuffie could easily damage her, and from a pretty good range with her weapon too. Yuffie wins

Another really good match, but frog's theme alone merits a victory here. ALSO FROG HAS A REALLY STRONG SWORD (sorry ZH)

I think that Rikku's agility gives her some edge in this fight, so I go with Rikku


Oh, and an overall great week of matches

This post has been edited by FallingHeart on 2nd April 2009 06:34

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Oh, I know something about the characters in Chrono Trigger. Time to go a little nuts.

Ayla over Marilith. Ayla is a very, very powerful character in Chrono Trigger, with all kinds of damage, speed, and resilience, while Marilith is a boss from several FF games (I know she's in I and IX and I think she's also in XII) that seems to be a bunch of firey offense and is otherwise rather unspecial. The key here is defense. Ayla, down in 65,000,000 BC, can pick up some Ruby Armor that will make Marilith's fire attacks worthless, and the damage from a Valor Crest / Bronze Fist combo is just too much.

Cecil over Crono. This is a very difficult match-up. They're both offensive powerhouses, with Crono's speed and critical hits and Cecil's immensely powerful strikes with his Ragnarok or Lightbringer. Crono's got the special offense, though, with Luminaire and Confuse as major damage-dealers. Will Cecil's healing be enough? I think so, yes. Cecil's enormous mountain of HP, physical defenses, and cure magic should stave off Crono until he runs out of MP - that 99 MP max in Chrono Trigger works against him, and his limit of four castings of Luminaire without an ether isn't enough. Don't say "give him a Gold Stud," because if you're using Crono and not giving him PrismSpecs then you've already lost.

Magus over ExDeath. I don't really like either of these characters as much as everyone else seems to, but I'll give it to Magus. ExDeath is a perfectly manageable boss when he doesn't have the power of the void, and Magus actually has the power of the void from the very first time you meet him! Also, his shiny new equipment in CTDS in conjunction with a Gold Stud or PrismSpecs will be too much magic damage for Ex to handle.

Robo over Cyan. This isn't close. Robo has fantastic offense, healing magic, three elements of magic attacks, and doesn't need to sit around for ages to use his special attacks. Cyan could win this by pulling off a successful Cleave, but his complete ineptitude with machinery will probably make that fail somehow.

Yuffie over Marle. Marle is a very useful character, but not when she's alone. In a party, she's the best healer in the game, can cast Haste, and takes part in some great dual and triple techs. Alone, her best offense is her new bow in CTDS that always does 777 damage. Yuffie, on the other hand, has a very good physical skillset to go with average magic and great speed. It probably doesn't matter how much materia Yuffie has on, because a few doses of Doom of the Living will quickly overwhelm Marle's pitiful stamina.

Ramza over Frog. In their respective games, both of these characters fit that "jack of all trades, master of none" archetype, but Ramza does it with overwhelming effectiveness while Frog is just second- or third-best as a healer, attacker, or tech user. Ramza's ability to exploit the FF Tactics skill system will allow him to Scream out loud and fry Frog just about any way he wants; ninja him with dual-wielded swords, samurai him with a Kikuichimonji, calculate some scary black magic, the list goes on and on.

Rikku over Lucca. It's all about the skills. Rikku's mixes offer a completely insane variety of attacks, while Lucca is pretty much only good at fighting with fire. If no items are available, Rikku might still win just because of her speed - the fastest character in FF X vs. the slowest character in CT, both of which are games where speed is an important stat.

So yeah, despite myself and my love of Chrono Trigger, I handed the victory to the rest of the Square universe, 4-3. I'm still not sure about Cecil vs. Crono, though....

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Hrm...
Ayla is a primal force and her damage output is retarded. Do't get me wrong, Kary is formidable as well, but the cavewoman is too quick and will use that speed to run circles around Kary.

Crono has an advantage here in the fact that he has no qualms about pulling out all the stops. Cecil can heal, yeah, but he is ponderously slow. And if Crono gets to wheeling around with those techs of his...hoo boy, lights out.

Ex Death simply because he had the resolve to actually be a bad guy. Magus got soft. He has a conscious now, which is always a disability for a villain.

Cyan the sword techs help him pull off a victory. Plus while Robo can compute and analyze and all that, there is no substitute for experience, which The samurai has plenty of.

Yuffie pretty much boils down to who is tougher. Plus Yuffie has a longer reach with her weapons.

Frogin a tough to call battle, Frog matches Ramza toe to toe, until Ramza makes a fatal mistake...he forgets that he is operating alone. That is his weakness, he can't stand alone and handle someone of the caliber of Frog.

Rikku just because she can put machines together doesn't make Lucca special. All Rikku does is disable whatever gadgets Lucca has and proceeds to knife the inventor until she stops moving. Lights out.



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For the first fight I'm going with Ayla. She had a really powerful throw move which I used to beat just about everything in CT. Rock Throw, I think it was called. A few of those would beat the beast.

I vote Crono for the second fight. There's not a lot of adversaries he would lose to, in my opinion, but Cecil does come close.

I would see ExDeath getting the better of Magus purely because I was more impressed with the former's boss fight. Again, that's not to say that Magus would be easily beaten here.

On my second playthough of FFVI I used the characters I didn't use on my previous save. With Cyan, I had some of the best times of the game fighting through dungeons and fields on his own with the other characters dead. Just from those experiences, I like to think Cyan is capable of winning this on his own without magic.

Marle didn't seem to click with any team I made on CT. On her own I'd suspect she's not got it in her to beat Yuffie; who can breathe fire apparently.

I haven't played enough of FFT to make a sound choice on Frog v. Ramza, but I do remember any knights I made would die in every battle! I'll give it to Frog on that basis.

Rikku has a great overdrive. On a 1v1 she'd have the edge over Lucca thanks to her mixing.

So that's Ayla, Crono, ExDeath, Cyan, Yuffie, Frog, Rikku.

Or 4:3 to the CoN All-Stars.


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Ayla, if I recall she had some armour that could protect her from fire, which would render most of Marilith's attacks useless.

Cecil, because... I hate Crono D:

Magus VS ExDeath... A hard one, but I think I'll give it to ExDeath.

Robo VS Cyan!? You've got to be kidding.. I can't really choose one of my favourites over another, but I think Robo would win in a fair fight.

Yuffie because I hate Marle and I never found her useful. (Sorry, Marle fans!)

Frog, seriously. I like Ramza, but Frog is... Frog.

Lucca VS Rikku? I don't really know either of these two character that well... I will have to think about it.

FF: 3
CT: 3

A tie for now? Hm..

Ayla gets armor against fire and can deal out straight 9s with the Bronze Fist IIRC. Ayla.

Cecil has loads upon loads of HP, and armor to back that up as well. As someone pointed out, Crono only gets four castings of Luminaire in. Cecil.

Exdeath gets the cake for this one. Magus is powerful, but not godly. Exdeath takes control of the power of vacuum, basically, and sucks in several cities. Exdeath.

Robo can get off more attacks than Cyan can dish out, due to the slow speed of SwdTech. Robo.

Yuffie and Marle...hmm...as much as I am a fan of CT and not a fan of FFVII, I don't know...I'll give Yuffie the edge due to damage-dealing. That thing looks nasty, and Marle's never been particularly known for dodging attacks. Yuffie.

Frog gets tons of critical hits with the Masamune 2 and the Hero's Medal. Frog.

Lucca asks Rikku if Rikku is threatening her. Then she teleports in an entire army of R series robots and Cybots. Lucca.

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Ayla.
The woman can fight and she's damn fierce about it at that. Single handedly takes down hordes of Reptites, not to mention actually taking on T-Rexs. Yeah, Ayla without a doubt.

Cecil.
I don't like to think of "Oh well so and so has *HP in the game" So that's got nothing to do with my reasoning. They're both solid choices for a fighter, but I feel like Cecil has been through far more than Crono, so he's got a lot more battle experience. It's a close match but I think in the end Cecil wins.

Magus.
It's not even Neo-ExDeath, ExDeath is a mega wussy. Magus vs Golbez, there's the fight man.

Robo.
Cyan doesn't have any of his magic, which leaves him with his default attack and several that take a large amount of concentration before he can pull them off. Meanwhile, Robo can do it all. Gotta go with Robo here.

Yuffie.
Marle isn't a strong character at all, all she would have going for her is her restorative magic and even that has its ending point. It might be a very drawn out fight, but definitely Yuffie.

Frog.
It's a fight between Frog and Ramza in knight class. In that scenario Frog's capabilities easily trump Ramza's.

Rikku.
Lucca's expertise lies in her intellect, not combat. By herself she's fairly useless.

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Cecil.
I don't like to think of "Oh well so and so has *HP in the game" So that's got nothing to do with my reasoning. They're both solid choices for a fighter, but I feel like Cecil has been through far more than Crono, so he's got a lot more battle experience. It's a close match but I think in the end Cecil wins.

Magus.
It's not even Neo-ExDeath, ExDeath is a mega wussy. Magus vs Golbez, there's the fight man.

Rikku.
Lucca's expertise lies in her intellect, not combat. By herself she's fairly useless.

As for Cecil: Yeah, you're quite right about the experience factor.

As for Magus: Exdeath controlled the power of the Void until it sucked him in too and he became some crazed generic final villain.

Now, Golbez might be able to do some nastiness with his HoldGas and dragon summon.

As for Rikku: Doesn't Lucca newly possess (in the DS version) a weapon that depends on the last digit of her MP? Having 99 MP could allow her to dish out a ton of damage.

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Ayla vs. Marilith

As long as Ayla wears the Ruby Armor, most of Karilith's attacks won't affect her. And she's also very agile and very strong. And brave. There's no way she'd lose.

Ayla wins.

Crono vs. Cecil

This is the most difficult fight in this week's match. Both are strong, agile, experienced and skilled in the use of magic. I'd say that Cecil is a bit more experienced, but Crono is overall a better swordsman.

A tie.

Magus vs. ExDeath.

This is laughable. Magus doesn't stand a chance. Seriously. He may look badass or whatever, but he's just not strong enough.

ExDeath wins.

Robo vs. Cyan

This one is difficult, too. Robo has firepower, Cyan has experience. Robo can use lasers, Cyan knows how to use a sword. I'm giving it to Robo since he'll be able to hurt his opponent from a distance before the actual fight begins. Though this is a close one.

Robo wins.

Marle vs. Yuffie

I don't think this one needs an explanation. Marle is okay, she's the greatest healer you can have in your party, but she just doesn't kick ass. Yuffie does, and she does it the ninja way.

Yuffie wins.

Frog vs. Ramza

No swordsman in the world can best Glenn in a battle. Seriously. Ramza is no exception.

Frog wins.

Lucca vs. Rikku

I don't know much about Rikku, but I know a lot about Lucca. She's a genius and she kicks ass. And she uses weapons - bombs and grenades, let alone guns that serve as her default weapon. Rikku, on the other hand, knows machines and repairs/merges stuff to make it work more effectively. And she uses some dagger-like weapons to deal damage. Fine, of course, but the distance is the key to this fight.

Lucca wins.

4 votes for CT
2 votes for CoN stars
One tie.

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I have to disagree with a few of the points made.

Quote (Nyte)

Ex Death simply because he had the resolve to actually be a bad guy. Magus got soft. He has a conscious now, which is always a disability for a villain.

Magus didn't "get soft". He didn't even change his objective. He's still out for revenge against THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE HIS UNIVERSE HAS TO OFFER. He just decided to take stronger allies.

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Magus vs. ExDeath.

This is laughable. Magus doesn't stand a chance. Seriously. He may look badass or whatever, but he's just not strong enough.

ExDeath wins.

While I actually agree that ExDeath is stronger than Magus, he is also an idiot. Bias speaking here, but I do believe, that he's by far less intelligent than Magus.
And more conceited. Fancy that.

Quote (lasz)

Cecil over Crono. This is a very difficult match-up. They're both offensive powerhouses, with Crono's speed and critical hits and Cecil's immensely powerful strikes with his Ragnarok or Lightbringer. Crono's got the special offense, though, with Luminaire and Confuse as major damage-dealers. Will Cecil's healing be enough? I think so, yes. Cecil's enormous mountain of HP, physical defenses, and cure magic should stave off Crono until he runs out of MP - that 99 MP max in Chrono Trigger works against him, and his limit of four castings of Luminaire without an ether isn't enough. Don't say "give him a Gold Stud," because if you're using Crono and not giving him PrismSpecs then you've already lost.

Cecil's healing is slow. Especially in the endgame, while both Luminaire and Confuse deal absurd amounts of damage. Cecil can heal, yes. He just can't heal fast enough.

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Rikku.
Lucca's expertise lies in her intellect, not combat. By herself she's fairly useless.

The bold underlined word is a quality that wins battles. Especially when you have the range advantage that Lucca does have.

Quote (nyte)

Ayla is a primal force and her damage output is retarded. Do't get me wrong, Kary is formidable as well, but the cavewoman is too quick and will use that speed to run circles around Kary.

Six arms. With swords.

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As long as Ayla wears the Ruby Armor, most of Karilith's attacks won't affect her. And she's also very agile and very strong. And brave. There's no way she'd lose.

The bold underlined word is a quality that got many heroes killed, especially when facing deity-based, six-sword-wielding monsters in a one-on-one.

This post has been edited by SilverMaduin on 2nd April 2009 20:33

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Cecil's healing is slow. Especially in the endgame, while both Luminaire and Confuse deal absurd amounts of damage. Cecil can heal, yes. He just can't heal fast enough.

Let's see... absurd amounts of damage? Luminaire maxes at 5-6000 damage assuming maxed stats and PrismSpecs; Confuse is actually much less. Cecil in FF IV DS can pick up Dualcast, Phoenix, Counter, Auto-Potion, and even a break-damage-limit in the DS version, without spending any equipment slots. That probably helps his healing a little bit. Cecil was always a powerhouse, but his new ability selection thanks to the augment system puts him at a level above the limits of the protagonists of Chrono Trigger.

And Frog over Ramza, all of you people? Seriously? Frog can heal, does average damage with average stats, and needs to use up his accessory slot to get a good critical hit rate, and even then his weapon selection is poor, with Crono, Robo, and Ayla much, much better off. Ramza's skill possibilities are nigh-limitless, he can equip pretty much all of the best equipment of the game, is ABOVE-average in all stats instead of merely average, and can Scream for as much Speed as he wants. Frog'd get ****ed up in that match-up.

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I'll save all the excess and get on with my votes.

Ayla
Cecil (handsdown!!!)
Magus (that's not even a REAL fight!)
Cyan
Yuffie
Ramza
Rikku

I wish I had more time to put a bunch of thought in it, but all I can say right now is, This is an awesome Wednesday fight!

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Quote (lasz)

And Frog over Ramza, all of you people? Seriously? Frog can heal, does average damage with average stats, and needs to use up his accessory slot to get a good critical hit rate, and even then his weapon selection is poor, with Crono, Robo, and Ayla much, much better off. Ramza's skill possibilities are nigh-limitless

I can explain easily, why most people pick Frog over Ramza.
They listen to this:

Quote (Sabin)

...And despite the fact that we could do it as RPG style with HP and MP and stats and all that jazz, please remember... melee style battle. How would they do if they literally just went hand to hand, with no time gauges or preset magic spells, et. al.

What I mean, is that most people take game mechanics as a secondary factor at best, and within their respective storylines one of the competitors is an experienced swordsman with no peer and the other is a youth still learning and growing.

And are his skill possibilities really nigh limitless if it's been stated, that:

Quote (Sabin)

Ramza is in a knight class for this battle.

This post has been edited by SilverMaduin on 3rd April 2009 06:09

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Quote (SilverMaduin @ 3rd April 2009 01:08)

And are his skill possibilities really nigh limitless if it's been stated, that:

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Ramza is in a knight class for this battle.

Yes. That just restricts him to Knight-class armor and weapons and keeps Battle Skill (weapon and armor breaking) as one of his abilties; that still leaves four skill slots open for the player's choosing.

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Hm, I think I'll give the last point to Lucca. yay for intellect

Which means 4-3 for CT! Yay!


Okay, most of by reasons were biased, but meh.

Ayla vs Kary
I give it to Ayla whos a physical beast, and also has quite a bit of experience fighting reptiles.

Cecil vs Chrono
I give it to Chrono, because as has been said, his techs are just more beastly, and I consider him to be not only the more skilled of the two with a blade, but also the most agile as well.

Magus vs ExDeath
Magus most definitely wins here. To the arguments about ExDeath being able to open a hole to the void, recall that Magus posesses the ability too- Black Hole- and also had the magical know how to, without the aid of crystals or any other object of power note, open a portal in space and time to get to Lavos. (In the original time arc where you don't fight him.)

Robo vs Cyan
Most definitely Robo. Cyan is terrible with machines and severely lacks the versatility of the giant trashcan.

Marle vs Yuffie
I actually give this one to Yuffie. I think Marle is severely outclassed in this one. You don't bring a bow to fight a ninja.

Frog vs Ramza
I give it to Frog considering they're in Knight mode. It seems to me he'd have the mobility bonus and the better techniques. I also figure him to be a better swordsman than Ramza.

Rikku vs Lucca
I go with Lucca- I think her incredibly high magical ability will be a big help.


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I'm going all CT.

This one hits close to my heart... How could you put Cyan up against Robo?

Ayla
Come on, she smashes reptiles for a living.

Cecil
A close one here. Cecil's being a paladin helps, in addition to his healing abilities.

Magus
Magus' magic simply surpasses that of ExDeath, like mogmaster said.

Robo
While I love Cyan, he simply does not know what to do with machines. Why??

Frog
On accound of my never having played tactics.

Rikku
Rikku's steal lays waste to machines, which Lucca could have constructed to aide her. I give Rikku the upper hand because of her speed and fighting skills.

CT wins, 4-3. I can't help but think this was intended... Reptile killer v. reptile? Man completely lacking tech skills v. machine?

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I've put off making a choice until I could properly sit down and weigh this one out. That being said, I'm ready to put down my thoughts.

Ayla
Why? Well, as has been pointed out, this unnaturally strong, resilient cave woman has plenty of experience fighting reptiles. On top of that, she's gone up against much terrifying lizards, robots, giant space monsters and mutants from the future. It's safe to say her raw strength, agility and sheer drive to win would seal the deal for her.

Crono
He's faced off a wider variety of enemies, has a much more impressive library of skills and techniques and, not to mention, is a much more aggressive fighter than Cecil, who has that constant doubt in his heart. I think he's faster, has the youthful endurance advantage and lest we forget, Luminaire pretty much tops any skill Cecil's got.

Magus.
MG pointed this out and I think it's relevant to the arguments made. ExDeath might've controlled the power of the void, but Magus was able to tear the fabric of space and time to summon Lavos. Let's not also forget that his dark-magic skill set includes many void-related, reality bending properties. Beyond that, let's not also forget that big scythe that he carries around with him isn't just for show either. He's more versatile and infinitely more clever.

In regards to whoever said that he went "soft", clearly they paid no attention to the plot whatsoever. He was never "evil" so much as he was only ever interested in accumulating the power to defeat Lavos.

Robo
Fighting a robot with a sword is generally a very, very bad idea unless you're able to incorporate lightning somehow, or electricity. Cyan's tech skills might be powerful, but I fear he wouldn't be tech-savvy enough to realize Robo's weaknesses. Robo, on the other hand, is smart, versatile and a real powerhouse. It'd be an interesting fight, but this will go to the robot.

Ramza
Infinitely more versatile, even if he is still limited to his Knight class. Weapon Break, Armor Break and Speed Break are more than enough to take out Frog. Glenn is undoubtedly the better swordsman but that alone won't win this fight. I've got to give it to the Tactics protagonist.

Rikku
She's faster and much more battle-ready. She's adept at destroying machines, which includes the weapons that Lucca uses in combat. In the time it would take Lucca to cast her more effective techs, Rikku would have gotten off multiple attacks.




[Edit]
It was pointed out that I forgot a round in this fight. Thanks, Ruin's Fate.

Yuffie would destroy Marle, no contest. Speed, agility, a wider ranger of spells and abilities with the customization of materia, excellent weapons for both long and close range fighting and years of extensive training.



This post has been edited by Dragon_Fire on 8th April 2009 03:38

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Okay, but there was a goat!

Ayla vs Marilith
Ayla comes equipped with a Ruby Vest (Fire damage -50%) by default, and her village creates the Ruby Armor (-80%), which also features excellent defense. Marilith is crazy strong, but Ayla can also heal herself. Ayla wins.

Crono vs Cecil
Crono's speed gets him the edge over Cecil in this fight for me. Cecil may have his magic, but his magic is no good. Giving the fight to Crono.

Magus vs ExDeath
The problem I see here is the potential that ExDeath has. White Hole alone means that Magus is forced to equip the amulet as his accessory, severely limiting him otherwise. There's too much there for Magus to take down himself. ExDeath wins.

Robo vs Cyan
Cyan is terrified of machines. Though Robo is slow, so are Cyan's swordtechs - and Robo's techs are much better anyway. Robo runs away with it.

Marle vs Yuffie
Not even close. Yuffie is actually an incredible ally in FF7 but is overlooked because of her annoyance. Marle just plain sucks. Yuffie takes the fight.

Frog vs Ramza
I've never cared that much for Frog in battle - he is most useful for his dual or triple techs, not for his singles. Without allies, I think Ramza takes the fight.

Lucca vs Rikku
I feel like the mechanical angle is a draw between these two, at least when it comes to fighting with them. Again, I think speed is the key, and Rikku is way, way faster than Lucca could ever hope to be. Rikku runs circles around Lucca.

Interesting how the three CT characters I chose to win are the three I like to have in my party the most...

This post has been edited by Neal on 6th April 2009 03:12

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Hey, put the cellphone down for a while
In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

Ayla vs. Marilith

Six blades of whirling death + slithering mobility= dead cave woman.

Crono vs. Cecil

Whenever I look back on Chrono Trigger the first thing that comes to mind is how well Crono could throw down, and I think he has the ability to overwhelm Cecil offensively. I give this one to Crono.

Magus vs. Exdeath

I'm not sure if either one of them completely understood what they were getting into with their plans. Magus is the more level-headed of the two, but Exdeath seems more powerful to me. I guess in the end I'm gonna have to toss it to Magus for not being a complete chump.

Cyan vs. Robo

I'm gonna go against the flow with this one. I think Cyan can win utilizing the Sky bushido, followed by a Flurry to finish off the disoriented robot.

Marle vs. Yuffie

Yuffie wins, not much to say about this one.

Frog vs. Ramza

Ramza's precision attacks to disable Frog are what's gonna win the day for him here.

Lucca vs. Rikku

I honestly never used Lucca that much, or Rikku for that matter, but based upon my limited experiences with them I think I'll give the nod to Rikku.

On a side note to Dragon Fire, it looks like you forgot about Marle vs. Yuffie.

The results of last week's mega-fight...

Clearly, this was a fight met with resounding success. And several of the selections were hotly debated and questioned. So which group took home gold?

Voter Distribution
CoN Crew
13 - 3, Ayla
8 - 7 (1 tie), Crono
10 - 6, Magus
11 - 4 (1 tie), Robo
15 - 1, Yuffie
11 - 5, Frog
11 - 5, Rikku

Facebookies
3 - 0, Ayla
3 - 2, Crono
2 - 2, tie
3 - 0, Robo
5 - 0, Yuffie
3 - 1, Frog
2 - 2, tie

Ready AIM Fire!
9 - 5, Ayla
8 - 7, Crono
5 - 4, ExDeath
7 - 4, Robo
8 - 2, Yuffie
5 - 5, tie
7 - 2, Lucca

Team Target
3 - 0, Ayla
2 - 1, Cecil
3 - 0, Magus
2 - 1, Robo
2 - 1, Yuffie
3 - 0, Ramza
2 - 1, Rikku

GoogleFights
N/A (Ayla vs. Marilith goes to Ayla, but Ayla vs. Kary goes to Kary... draw)
+1 Cecil
+1 Magus
+1 Cyan
+1 Marle
+1 Ramza (because just putting in "frog"would be unfair to anyone)
+1 Lucca

TOTALS
28 - 8, Ayla
21 - 19, Crono
20 - 13, Magus
24 - 9, Robo
30 - 5, Yuffie
19 - 15, Frog
17 - 16, Rikku

Chrono Trigger: 5
CoN All Stars: 2

Welcome to the fold, CT.

Last week's fight was a smashing success, full of tough fights... but the closest of which was Lucca and Rikku? Who knew?!

It's hard to follow up a battle of this success. It's a tough act to follow. But still, the show goes on. Here's this week's battle...

Those familiar with WNF in its early stages will seem to recognize that some characters are getting recycled. As it's now reaching a wider audience, it's ok to resurrect some past fighters to get another shot, especially if they match up well enough. It may or may not apply to this fight ...


In the RED corner... ...mack daddy of guns, cars, and fleecing women out of danger and into his bed...



James Bond

Where you've seen him: ... duh ...

Bond unofficially works for the British government, sent into action to defuse situations before official action is needed. And he is goooood at his job. Equipped with high tech doodads, Bond is set up to succeed in every mission. While traveling the world to thwart evil doers, he always spares time to knock boots with the damsel of the week. Lucky son of a... But he'll be hard to take out.

And in the BLUE corner... ...his memory may be fuzzy, but don't call him a sally...



Jason Bourne

Where you've seen him: The Bourne ______ book/movie series.

Bourne is the most unsuspecting recruit you can expect. Though he doesn't quite remember, he harbors skills that would make him a prime special agent. But forget that, he doesn't want it. And he hunts down the people who hunt him down... with elite precision. He's worthy with his arsenal of artillery, and he brings the pain with his hands and feet as well.

How this fight came to be: After all the exploits documenting Bourne were uncovered by British Intelligence, they sent in Bond to investigate and prevent any potential worldly incidents involving the amnesiac agent.

Battle Tactics: Quite simple really. Whoever shoots the other one more. Both have arsenals at their disposal. So it boils down to this: Who is the better marksman.

Also, when you look at hand-to-hand combat, Bourne gets the nod hand down. And unlike silly video games, there is no infinite ammo code. So it will run out. If that happens, or if Bourne can manage to get up close, look for that to play a role.

Setting: My favorite level of Goldeneye: the Facility!



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"When I turn the page
The corner bends into the perfect dog ear
As if the words knew I'd need them again
But at the time, I didn't see it."

~"This Ain't a Surfin' Movie" - Minus the Bear

Including the book series? Well, I haven't bothered reading any of the ones Ludlum didn't write (y'know, because of dying and all). However, Bond's charisma, cleverness, and gadgets simply don't compare to the tortured, feral, raw pain machine that is David Webb. The man is a master of hand-to-hand combat, ranged arms combat, and sets traps capable of dismantling a platoon.

Bond doesn't stand a chance. I don't care if it's novel Bond, Connery, Moore, Brosnan, or Craig.

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"To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly

Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN?

NOOO! IF ONLY I'D CAMPAIGNED HARDER FOR LUCCA!!

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Like R51 said, Bond's skills all derive from charisma and cleverness, and that just won't cut it in this fight. Bourne will go into this fight prepared to kill, and Bond won't be ready. In most situations I would say that I prefer Bond over Bourne but in a bare bones gun fight Bourne wins easily

This post has been edited by FallingHeart on 9th April 2009 04:36

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"We're not tools of the government or anyone else. Fighting... fighting was the only thing I was ever good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in." - Frank Yeager (a.k.a. Grey Fox)