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DF has said absolutely everything that needs to be said. Period.
The Elves win.

Rawr.

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I have to agree with the majority here. Legolas and Elrond are too godly to be overcome by two mere mortals (or one mere mortal and one immortal sea captain or whatever he is now). Really, I don't want to sound like a broken record, so I'll just vote and move on.

Legolas wins. Errr...the elves win.

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Just because you can't kill your opponent doesn't mean he can't be beaten. For instance, you can behead him, pin him to a wall with arrows, severely dismember him, etc, etc. Unkillable does not mean unbeatable, unless you have absolutely no imagination whatsoever.

I'm not saying that Will is unbeatable, I'm actually pretty far from stating such a stupidity. What I'm saying is that the elves won't know what's happening when he doesn't die and that will give V enough time to perform whatever trick he'll think of. Let's remember that trickery is the most important part of V's modus operandi and he wouldn't go on a fight like this unprepared. There's some trick up his sleeve and he's certainly going to use the elves' arrogance and the fact that they think they have the terrain advantage to win this fight.

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Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.

So WT kills Legolas, and V kills Elrond. And then kills Will Turner.
For official stance, WT and V win, unofficially, V pwns.

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Just because you can't kill your opponent doesn't mean he can't be beaten. For instance, you can behead him, pin him to a wall with arrows, severely dismember him, etc, etc. Unkillable does not mean unbeatable, unless you have absolutely no imagination whatsoever.

I'm not saying that Will is unbeatable, I'm actually pretty far from stating such a stupidity. What I'm saying is that the elves won't know what's happening when he doesn't die and that will give V enough time to perform whatever trick he'll think of. Let's remember that trickery is the most important part of V's modus operandi and he wouldn't go on a fight like this unprepared. There's some trick up his sleeve and he's certainly going to use the elves' arrogance and the fact that they think they have the terrain advantage to win this fight.

Yeah, the Elves are arrogant, but the fact is, they DO know the lay of the land. They've seen things that don't instantly die before, e.g. trolls, the fact that they see a resistant human won't phase them much. And this is presuming that the Elves decide to focus both their attentions on Turner, which I highly doubt. They'd probably go one on one, in which case, V wouldn't have the opportunity to set up any of his trickery. And even if he did, the Elves have heightened senses of hearing and sight, and increased reflexes. V's attempts at fighting would fail.
As for Turner, I'd approach him like a zombie. Kill him by removing the head, or destroying the brain. So, arrows in the eyes, which would at the very least blind him to a worthless sword-wielding fool. If putting a number of arrows in an enemy doesn't kill it, take him apart bit by bit. The elves, with their hundreds and thousands of years of experience would easily use this or any number of strategies against Turner and V.

This post has been edited by footbigmike on 27th March 2009 19:15

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They've seen things that don't instantly die before, e.g. trolls, the fact that they see a resistant human won't phase them much.

Bollocks.Unlike thick-skinned, hulking Trolls, Humans are one-hit-to-kill squishees. A "why doesn't he die?" reaction would be warranted. Heck, Bill could use this to his advantage and feign death, or at least dying (Before anyone says anything about Elven senses again: he has no heart, therefore no heartbeat and taking that he now spends a lot of time underwater, I daresay he probably can feign not breathing for a while, if he actually needs to) and go for a surprise attack at point-blank range.

This post has been edited by SilverMaduin on 27th March 2009 22:30

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and you think a creature that's been around for as long as Elrond would fall for something like that? the man's, what, like 5000+ years old? by that time, he cant help but to have learned to expect anything and everything. there's no way simple trickery could win against an enemy so expectant.

i give this one to Elrond and Legolas. read up for reasons why.

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They'd probably go one on one, in which case, V wouldn't have the opportunity to set up any of his trickery.

I can't seem to understand why do you assume V would even show up for the open fight? We have two elves waiting for a pirate and revolutionist. And so they wait. They are pretty calm, because they know the battlefield works for them. But only one shows up, it's actually quite logical.

In the most probable scenario, Legolas would focus on hitting Will while Elrond would wait, look around and listen for any signs of V's movement. For V it would be a piece of cake. If you don't know how to hide and do whatever you want while the enemy knows exactly how you look like, just watch the film. Elrond is not expecting this, neither is Legolas.

And, as SMad has already pointed out, Will is most likely going to use some acting (and even more likely, some explosives). And let's be honest, Legolas is not the smartest of the elves, he'll fall for it.

No matter how I look at it, any experience Elrond may have will prove to be useless in that battle because he is simply dealing with enemies like never before. It's not about being weak, it's about being unprepared for the unexpected. And when it comes to Will Turner and V, unexpected is to be expected.

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I can't seem to understand why do you assume V would even show up for the open fight? We have two elves waiting for a pirate and revolutionist. And so they wait. They are pretty calm, because they know the battlefield works for them. But only one shows up, it's actually quite logical.

In the most probable scenario, Legolas would focus on hitting Will while Elrond would wait, look around and listen for any signs of V's movement. For V it would be a piece of cake. If you don't know how to hide and do whatever you want while the enemy knows exactly how you look like, just watch the film. Elrond is not expecting this, neither is Legolas.

And, as SMad has already pointed out, Will is most likely going to use some acting (and even more likely, some explosives). And let's be honest, Legolas is not the smartest of the elves, he'll fall for it.

No matter how I look at it, any experience Elrond may have will prove to be useless in that battle because he is simply dealing with enemies like never before. It's not about being weak, it's about being unprepared for the unexpected. And when it comes to Will Turner and V, unexpected is to be expected.

I can't seem to understand why you're still talking. Your argument is anything but logical because you seem to disregard every advantage that plays toward the elves in favor of some scheme that would undoubtedly fail.

Firstly, Legolas is absolutely a bright and sharp elf. For evidence of this, look at his handling of the battle at Helm's Deep or the battle at Minas Tirith. He actually at no point ever gives any evidence to suggest he is anything but intelligent.

Secondly, we never said that V would simply reveal himself in the open fight. We simply pointed out that he is unable to beat the elves in open combat for a vast lack of skill. Our argument has been quite clear: V does not have the chops to outwit or trick Legolas and Elrond. With their heightened senses and familiarity of the territory in which they are fighting, they'd be able to sense his presence and be alerted to anything he'd try to spring. You should try reading our posts in their entirety, thanks.

Experience is a deciding factor in a fight and to think Elrond's thousands of years could be overrided by some second-rate vigilante is ludicrous. They HAVE fought humans before and in fact, many other things much worse than either Turner or V. Balrogs, Dark Lords, Mountain Trolls and all the things I've mentioned in another post spring to mind.

You also make the basic assumption that these strangers to Middle Earth would be able to both survey their surroundings and come up with some sort of plan, as well as that these elves would be fighting close range. In all likelihood, they would try to keep the fight long-range until absolutely impossible to do otherwise. Turner might be able to survive the arrows in his chest, face and throat, but V couldn't.

Even if Will were to feign injury and mask his supernatural ability, do you really think that a trick as simple as that would be enough to cost BOTH elves the fight? It takes more than one silly trick to put them both down.

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They'd probably go one on one, in which case, V wouldn't have the opportunity to set up any of his trickery.

I can't seem to understand why do you assume V would even show up for the open fight? We have two elves waiting for a pirate and revolutionist. And so they wait. They are pretty calm, because they know the battlefield works for them. But only one shows up, it's actually quite logical.

In the most probable scenario, Legolas would focus on hitting Will while Elrond would wait, look around and listen for any signs of V's movement. For V it would be a piece of cake. If you don't know how to hide and do whatever you want while the enemy knows exactly how you look like, just watch the film. Elrond is not expecting this, neither is Legolas.

And, as SMad has already pointed out, Will is most likely going to use some acting (and even more likely, some explosives). And let's be honest, Legolas is not the smartest of the elves, he'll fall for it.

No matter how I look at it, any experience Elrond may have will prove to be useless in that battle because he is simply dealing with enemies like never before. It's not about being weak, it's about being unprepared for the unexpected. And when it comes to Will Turner and V, unexpected is to be expected.

This is all I can say.

I can't wait until the next WNF starts. Can we all just let this one go? People have definitely made their decisions by no if they're planning to!

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Elves FTW!

I agree with what SZ says. I just think the difference is how highly you rate the Elves as a race, as far as most arguments go. For me, they're more about singing, archery, poetry and all that kind of thing. Their most dangerous weapon is a song every second page; forget the knives and bows. I don't doubt they're great warriors, but they're not as great as V and WT. I mean, they are deceived by Sauron... the Deceiver, so I don't see why a simple "I'm not actually dead", or a "the trees are packed full of explosives" prank wouldn't trick them again. Especially since V and WT are Men, who Elrond likes to put down as "frail" and "weak". In fact Legolas is the only Elf I'm aware of who isn't up his own... tree. I suppose this balances the fight somewhat.

As for the many enemies the Elves have had, they've all done fairly poorly against them, have they not? The Witch-King practically decimated them in the North, and the whole war would've been lost if they weren't helped by Men. Over the course of the LotR trilogy, they don't provide much support: mostly emotional, with some weapons and clothes. While Men were fighting back the Dark Lord in the East, Saruman in the West, and alongside Dwarves in the North, the Elves were selfishly keeping to their woods (note the realistic location choice!) or packing their bags and leaving for the Grey Havens - no doubt to write songs about how weak everyone is except them.

In the context of this fight, the Elves are not some unbeatable master race, as they are nearly destroyed by Orcs and eventually forced to leave Middle-Earth to Men. If we're deciding this on the race card then I would be more inclined to give it to Men, who do a much better job at winning wars and not being fooled and categorically slaughtered. Despite this, they're an arrogant and sensitive lot, especially Elrond, and are prone to underestimating Men in order to feel good about themselves. With that in mind, an undead pirate and an ingenious rock-hard revolutionary would, in my unequivocal opinion, get the better of them.

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As interesting as this was, I think it's a little played out.. So, come on with the next fight! It'll be difficult to make it as good of a fight as this one was.

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I vote for the elves.

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I vote for Will and V..

The results of last week's brawl...

Hotly contested, was it not? I'm of the mind that this was definitely top 3 in heated debate in the WNF history (Link vs. Wolverine and Mario vs. Luigi come to mind). And how did it turn up?

Are you all holding your breath?

Voter Distribution
CoN Crew: 11 - 6, Elves (a couple votes cast via #narshe)
Livejournal: 2 - 1, Will+V
Facebookies: 4 -3, Will+V
Ready AIM Fire: 10 - 8, Will+V
Team Target: 4 - 2, Elves
GoogleFight: +1, Will+V

Total: 27 - 25

I love when battles are this close.

Winners:
Legolas and Elrond

Broken, bloodied, and scarred... but not beaten. It's the elven way.



This week on WNF, we get into the spirit of the holiday, and drop the seriousness, and after last week, we could use the comic relief.

Wapuh!


In the RED corner... he who pities fools...



Mr. T

He was a mercenary, a boxer, and all around tough guy. When he's not plugging phone services or playing his Mohawk knight on WoW, Mr. T can be seen with a stiff upper lip looking directly at you, and waiting to pounce.


And his opponent... in the BLUE corner... from prop comic to washed up joke to a freak of nature!



Carrot Top

This guy once used to be a revered prop comic, and legendary pun inducer. BUt like all comedians, he washed up. And how! Look up "washed up" in the dictionary, and there will be a picture of him.
But Top did not sit around and let people call him a joke anymore. He got crankin'. I mean, holy crap! Look at those guns! What the hell? Carrot Top could maul a bear with those things.


How this fight came to be: Mr. T pitied the fool. Carrot Top doesn't like to be pitied (though he admits to being a fool).

Battle Tactics: Mr. T is the epitome of brute force. And he can blind anyone with the bling he carries.

Dont sell out Carrot Top though. He's got tree trunks on that whiter than sour cream body. And the look of crazy still exists in his eyes. He has motive to get everyone to stop laughing at him, and start fearing him.

Setting: MMA cage.



(I apologize right now for the topless steroid clown. It was the only picture that got the point across)

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Mr. T all the way!

I vote for Carrot Top, because that's what the coin toss said to do.

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Shouldn't Mr. T be in the WNF Hall of Fame? I mean, he's kinda like Chuck Norris, isn't he?

Anyway, he wins the fight.

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Seriously, Bobbo? Seriously?

I pity the fool that doesn't vote for Mr. T.

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In another great attempt at prop comedy carrot top would probably come prepared with a rubber chicken as a weapon. Mr. T takes the cake here

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But could a rubber chicken be Mr. T's weakness? Or would Mr. T just confiscate it?

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Mr T. I mean seriously, this is no contest...the man beat the brakes off of Rocky Balboa and sported a mohawk the whole time.

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Yea. Mr. T wins this one, for sure. It's not even a debate in my mind.

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this is...laughable. Mr. T

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Mr. T FTW!!! This is Carrot Top's moment of epic FAIL!!!

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Put me down for T as well. I can't think of any reason to vote Carrot Top.

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Me on the Starcraft.

Since I pity the foo who goes up against Mr. T, I might actually be inclined to vote for Carrot Top. However, that picture is just ridiculous.

I abstain for now.

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