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Hahahaha! Well... it's almost good for them, but i put Chemist's secondary ability Aim/Charge.

What a weird poll, You have three "no" answers.

And I choose one of them, I see no reason why you'd pick Archers for that. Is it just because they both use projectile weapons?

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i put maybe. but the thing about it is, guns arent really as powerful and versatile as a bow. bows have good range, and can "arch" above other units.

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Well, if they learn 'equip gun' sure, but I think archers are best having bows or crossbows.

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i put maybe. but the thing about it is, guns arent really as powerful and versatile as a bow. bows have good range, and can "arch" above other units.

Incorrect.

The strongest bow in the game, the Perseus bow, has an attack of 16. The best crossbow, Gastrafitis, has an AP of only 10. The Stone gun has an AP of 16, Blaze 20, Glacier 21, and Blast gun has an AP of 22. Guns are clearly far superior in base damage, not to mention that they have a chance to proc an elemental attack.

As far as versatility, the bows don't bring enough to the table to make them worthwhile. Shooting over the occasional tree doesn't compare to the range and damage that a gun produces.

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The Glacial, Blaze, and Blast guns always make an elemental attack. I only use archers long enough to unlock thief and ninja, but I always stick to bows. Archers are capable of having a pretty good speed stat, and higher speed increases bow damage.

Let me rephrase; the elemental guns have a chance to proc an "x-3" magic attack (Ice 3, Fire 3, Lit 3).



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What a weird poll, You have three "no" answers.

And I choose one of them, I see no reason why you'd pick Archers for that. Is it just because they both use projectile weapons?

Gah! I'm sorry, sorry!

...Projectile weapons? You mean Range weapons or something? Well... i think so.

Guns may have it in damage and range (to a degree), but bows can strike enemies that are closer to you if you are elevated where as guns cant strike at that range and bows can arch over trees, structures, and allys which can be crutial when time is of the essence. Arching over allys is doubly important because with a gun, if you try to shoot an enemy that is in front of an ally and he/she is in your firing path you will shoot them instead of the enemy.

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Let me rephrase;  the elemental guns have a chance to proc an "x-3" magic attack (Ice 3, Fire 3, Lit 3). 

Yeah that is pretty nice. Have you played the PSP version yet, Hamedo? Those guns are a lot more fun with Balthier's Barrage ability.

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i put maybe. but the thing about it is, guns arent really as powerful and versatile as a bow. bows have good range, and can "arch" above other units.

Incorrect.

The strongest bow in the game, the Perseus bow, has an attack of 16. The best crossbow, Gastrafitis, has an AP of only 10. The Stone gun has an AP of 16, Blaze 20, Glacier 21, and Blast gun has an AP of 22. Guns are clearly far superior in base damage, not to mention that they have a chance to proc an elemental attack.

As far as versatility, the bows don't bring enough to the table to make them worthwhile. Shooting over the occasional tree doesn't compare to the range and damage that a gun produces.

actually, you are incorrect as well.

the strongest bow is the Sagittarius Bow with an attack of 24. crossbow is the gastrophets with 10 attack, and the strongest gun is the blaster with 22 attack.

i would rather equip a bow with a guaranteed attack of 24 instead of a gun with a "chance" of doing elemental damage. plus the fact that a bow can "arch" over obsticles.

This post has been edited by jacemm7283 on 11th June 2008 17:30

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Let me rephrase;  the elemental guns have a chance to proc an "x-3" magic attack (Ice 3, Fire 3, Lit 3).  

Yeah that is pretty nice. Have you played the PSP version yet, Hamedo? Those guns are a lot more fun with Balthier's Barrage ability.

I haven't. I wish they would give me some incentive to get one of the newest gen consoles by making it a platform console release.

Jacemm7283, I'm referencing the PS1 version, not the newest one. There is no Sagittarius bow in the original FFT.

Several of you in here keep touting the bow's "usefulness" in that it can shoot over trees and obstacles. I can honestly say that I've never had much need for this. Mostly, in hindsight, because bows are equipped by crap classes. Placing "equip bow" on any other class would gimp them, so bows don't factor in to my teams often. I have tried theme based teams before, in which one was an all archer team. I also did an Avengers team once, where Hawkeye was an archer. (good grief I'm remembering my youth here) My experiences with archers and bows entrenched my belief that the bow, and the archer, is a wasted class in the original FFT.

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Let me rephrase;  the elemental guns have a chance to proc an "x-3" magic attack (Ice 3, Fire 3, Lit 3).  

Yeah that is pretty nice. Have you played the PSP version yet, Hamedo? Those guns are a lot more fun with Balthier's Barrage ability.

I haven't. I wish they would give me some incentive to get one of the newest gen consoles by making it a platform console release.

Jacemm7283, I'm referencing the PS1 version, not the newest one. There is no Sagittarius bow in the original FFT.

Several of you in here keep touting the bow's "usefulness" in that it can shoot over trees and obstacles. I can honestly say that I've never had much need for this. Mostly, in hindsight, because bows are equipped by crap classes. Placing "equip bow" on any other class would gimp them, so bows don't factor in to my teams often. I have tried theme based teams before, in which one was an all archer team. I also did an Avengers team once, where Hawkeye was an archer. (good grief I'm remembering my youth here) My experiences with archers and bows entrenched my belief that the bow, and the archer, is a wasted class in the original FFT.

ahh. i am sorry for that. forgot to mention the psp version. my bad.

for the ps1 version, yes i would say that the guns trump the bows and x-bows. but the psp version added some "umph" to the bow class.

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I use bows with archers. The only classes I use guns with are chemist and mediator.

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I like guns, sure, bows have their usefulness, but I like the predictability of guns, they have great range, always go in a straight line, and hit way more often than arrows. Granted, I'm playing on PSX, but that's what I've observed.

Bows on level ground have a range of 5 I believe, guns, have 7, or around there, when you are higher, the bows range grows, but when you are lower, it shrinks or disappear, however, guns have the same range on lower or higher ground. and I can usually avoid obstacles that impede guns with a little strategy and forethought.

That said, do I think that archers should have guns innately, no. (but for Mustadio, I do have equip guns with him as an archer.)

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Just to throw it out there, Mustadio is the ultimate "battle medic". Make him a chemist, give him the bolt gun, and have his engineer class as his secondary skillset. You end up with a medium hitting healer/res specialist who can perform in any role you need. In almost every party I have, he takes on this role.

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Yeah, that's what I usually have him as, but had him as an archer for a bit for the concentrate ability, and cuz I felt like it.

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I sided with the maybe area, mostly because, as R51 mentioned, projectile weapons.

In reality, an archer, although more honed in the use of a bow or crossbow, would be somewhat of an eagle-eye, and most likely be proficient in the use of any ranged/projectile weapon that was self-propelled (I wouldn't expect them to be very accruate throwing a javelin or something, thus the self-propelled qualifier )

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I think they should equip crossbows/bowguns and just fire explosives. The game Shining Force had this ability once you change the archer's class. The bowgun hurt more and attacked farther!

Bows don't really seem to be as useful in guns in my experience, and don't really bring too much to the table. I could be wrong, though!

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Placing "equip bow" on any other class would gimp them, so bows don't factor in to my teams often.

There is no Equip Bow. There is an Equip Crossbow, but that's it. Also, I wouldn't recommend using a Chemist with Charge/Aim; that skillset is best used on... okay, never mind, it's probably the worst skillset in the entire game. Battle Skill/Arts of War is nice on a ranged physical attacker, though.

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Placing "equip bow" on any other class would gimp them, so bows don't factor in to my teams often.

There is no Equip Bow. There is an Equip Crossbow, but that's it. Also, I wouldn't recommend using a Chemist with Charge/Aim; that skillset is best used on... okay, never mind, it's probably the worst skillset in the entire game. Battle Skill/Arts of War is nice on a ranged physical attacker, though.

Are either of those (battle skill, arts of war) the new version of punch art? Damn these newfangled games and their wierd vocabulary!

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Placing "equip bow" on any other class would gimp them, so bows don't factor in to my teams often.

There is no Equip Bow. There is an Equip Crossbow, but that's it. Also, I wouldn't recommend using a Chemist with Charge/Aim; that skillset is best used on... okay, never mind, it's probably the worst skillset in the entire game. Battle Skill/Arts of War is nice on a ranged physical attacker, though.

Are either of those (battle skill, arts of war) the new version of punch art? Damn these newfangled games and their wierd vocabulary!

nope. battleskill is the original PSX knight skill, and arts of war is the psp version.

plus, punch art really would be a waste of a skillset if you put it on a ranged attacker

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Well, if the Archer's physical power is far superior than your average character and with Martial Arts/Brawler equipped, I think Punch Arts would provide that character with a decent well-rounded skillset if the enemy advances to close to him/her and you can't move very far because either they have you cornered on all sides, you're under 'Immobilze' status and they're too close to fire arrows upon, then you can unleash the power of the Monk!

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As someone already mentioned, the only time I've ever had a gun-toting archer was when I was tying to make Mustadio a more rounded character. Mustadio without a gun is like a hot fudge sundae without the cherry... just plain wrong!

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I definitely do not feel that an Archer should naturally equip guns. EVER. An archer is an archer because he/she uses a bow.

Also, if an Archer is equipped with a gun, doesn't that make their Charge skill relatively useless? When you press the Select button over Mustadio's name while he's in your party, he'll tell you that guns have a fixed damage amount, thus charging a gun attack is a waste of time. The only thing I can even consider equipping an Archer is a bow becuase they are the ONLY class that can equip bows and there are some pretty powerful bows later on, aren't there?

This post has been edited by FabulousFreebird on 29th October 2008 14:24

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I think gunners should stay gunners & archers should stay archers since they're unique in their own ways

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i put maybe. but the thing about it is, guns arent really as powerful and versatile as a bow. bows have good range, and can "arch" above other units.

Incorrect.

The strongest bow in the game, the Perseus bow, has an attack of 16. The best crossbow, Gastrafitis, has an AP of only 10. The Stone gun has an AP of 16, Blaze 20, Glacier 21, and Blast gun has an AP of 22. Guns are clearly far superior in base damage, not to mention that they have a chance to proc an elemental attack.

As far as versatility, the bows don't bring enough to the table to make them worthwhile. Shooting over the occasional tree doesn't compare to the range and damage that a gun produces.

Stone gun v. Perseus Bow

Regular damage for stone gun: 256. Ignores stats.
To get that kind of damage from a Perseus Bow, your archer will need a PA and Speed of 16... not exactly easy to find. If PA and Speed are both 12, you're looking at 192 damage.
How about range? 3 to 8 for stone gun, 3 to ? for Perseus bow
To hit someone 8 blocks away with a bow, they have to be at least 6h below your archer. On the plus side, if you're 20h above your target, you can hit them from 15 blocks away. Just doesn't happen often.

Magic guns work differently, taking faith into account:
The Ice-elemental "Blaze Gun" has three attacks. If the shooter and the shootee both have a faith of 80(no zodiac adjustments), the damage will be 179, 230, or 307. Of course, shooting Malak in the back with magic guns does very little damage... 80 faith and 10 faith, say, will yield a measly -22hp. (or -29, or -38)

So I'd say give archers a gun just so they suck less. Or just use them for speed save and never look back. Or, get them Teleport/Fly/Ignore Height and get them as high and inaccessible as you can.

Side note: My avatar is only an archer b/c I'm a Sagittarius. In FFT, Archers suck.

This post has been edited by kishind on 29th October 2008 10:38

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