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Okay so anyone who's play tactics will know that one of the little mission you go on at the pub mentions something about an airship and a i think it also is signed by setzer himself. Here's what i am wondering, could Ivalice be a part of the FF6 world that we dont actually see, maybe its so far away from the other cotents that it doesnt make sense to go there, or it just is an undiscovered part of the world at that time. If you look at the story of tactics it has alot of similarities with FF6. For one thing iron and gun powder are newer comcpets that most of the people in the world dont know about. In Ivalice airships arent known about except what are being dug up. Plus you find a robot that looks similar to designs of magitek armor. Though espers arent directly mentioned some of the espers do apper in tactics as well. I know tactics has a different summoning system from 6 but it could be due to differences in region or something like that. Although this is some what a minor detail the phantom train is mentioned in one of the "areas" you find in the special quest items section (forget what it's called, it's been a little while.) Anyways i've been kicking this idea around and i wanted to see if anyone else has the same idea or speculation. Keep in mind i realise that other games were mentioned indirectly as well (like 7 with cloud) but they only had like one reference, and for the most part were there to tell alittle bit about certain games that other places didnt get (like 3 for example.)

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Very interesting. Though I have not played tactics I have read stuff about Setzer having a minor role. The idea that the continents of the two games exist on the same planet thousands of miles apart is intrigiung indeed, and there is loads of potential there. I think it was meant to add some depth to the FF6 world without actually creating a second FF6 installment. After all, so many fans see it as the best in the series. Even if the game ends after Kefka, why should details of its world not surface afterward.

Don't know about the involvemnet of Setzer though. I have heard that FFXII's Balthier also shows up, and FFXII also has espers. Maybe Setzer's appearance is an AU characters like the Kingdom Hearts one.

Who knows. Maybe we'll see more references to FF6 characters in later FF games. I have heard that Kingdom Hearts will not feature anymore Amano characters.

possibly.

it's been stated that the 'Shinra' character in FFX-2 is indeed referring to what will happen to Gaia in FFVII (harvesting spiritual energy for mechanical applications) and that X and X-2 are prequels to VII

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Blathier only shows in the new psp version, i'm talking about the orginal. And i'm not talking about an after fact of the game either, i am talking about it may be happening on the same planet a few years before the start of six. The game was relased shortly after 7 was completed and both six and seven were major block busters at the time, which is one reason why references are made of both. How ever, aside from a look alike villian in tactic, cloud is the only real reference to seven there is. But setzer is mentioned in like two or three minor mission (though you never actually see him you just read something he's posted up.) and you do find some things that are from six, as mentioned they have these "speical lands" things you can discover a certain land after doing minor missions. You can't do anything there you just get like a mural from that area and a minor description. But one of those is the phantom train. I think there is another from six as well but for the life of me i can't remember what it is. Anyways i dont nessicarly think its a prequal or a sequal by anymeans just that it shares the same world as six and possible that it's either happening durning the events of six or a few years before six.

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Did you ever think that every Final Fantasy world was on the same planet??

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No. Once I realized that the cast of each game was different, I presumed that each planet/world differred too.

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Did you ever think that every Final Fantasy world was on the same planet??

It's plausable, but would take a lot of explaination and retroactive continuity. It also suffers from the biggest flaw in the recent canon, IE Squenix's attempts to try and shoehorn FF7 into anything and everything. Additionally, most games have dialogue or background that explicitly sets out that they occur on a planet and not a continent. 5 and 6 are two of the better instances:

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After all, in 5, you travel between worlds, and in 6, magic dissapears at the end of the game

I've always regarded references to other games as just a little nod and a wink to the fans, and the frankly moronic attempt to link FFX and FF7 for no apparent reason as just a flawed attempt at retcon.

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True, i just thought it would be a interesting question since every world seems more like a continent than an entire world.

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Nine is one of the few games that also mentions "another world" you can travel to both terra and giga. But thats not really the point either. The reason those games seem more like contents rather than worlds is because the story is revovling around the particular content and not the world as a whole. The thing is though i've never considered all of them to be the same world because if they were certain things would have to be explained in order to allow them to be on that said world. For example like how does magic come back into the equasion? of what created mako in the world or things like that. I think a few of them may infact be on oppsite sides of some of the same worlds, but i dont think they all take place on the same world. Reason being for this is that in order for that to happen you'd need to have what happened to one part of the world, happen to another part or have some effect towards it.

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Personally, no, I don't. In FFT:

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Cloud only showed up in the world when you yanked him out of his own world with what's explained to be an interdimensional teleportation machine from an "ancient" society. What sort of society builds a device of any sort without intending to use it? Nobody I presume. This leads me to believe that during some point, Ivalance once intentionally yanked items and perhaps even living beings out from other worlds in earlier games. Why? I dunno but maybe it has to do with the prior holy wars. Some of the things referenced in the adventure log are downright destructive, I.E. Black Materia. An Airship with an attack like H-Bomb would be useful in war as well, especially in a world without aircraft. At any rate, to me this seems to actually be counter evidence to the thought that Ivalance is a part of another FF world or at the least, they're all the same world, as you wouldn't need such a literal plot "device" to explain the existence of something/somebody.

Besides, how do you explain the magic system of each respective game? In FF VI, it's largely implied, if not explicitly stated that you have to have some connection to the espers or goddesses to learn magic. In FFT, it seems to be more like something you can/have to figure out for yourself, through experience. And without the aid of summons.

There is also a slight timeline inconsistency.

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You see, in both games, the Moogles seem to have died out. Logically, if both games were in the same timeline this would place VI before Tactics, since that's the game where the Moogles mysteriously disappeared, after the end of the world. However, by the end of VI, all the world's magic was destroyed which, should leave Ivalance fairly Mageless if the two worlds were one and the same... Don't cha think?

There's probably more I'm missing but it seems fairly clear to me that Ivalance is it's own separate little bubble, for the most part.

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Personally, no, I don't. In FFT:

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Cloud only showed up in the world when you yanked him out of his own world with what's explained to be an interdimensional teleportation machine from an "ancient" society. What sort of society builds a device of any sort without intending to use it? Nobody I presume. This leads me to believe that during some point, Ivalance once intentionally yanked items and perhaps even living beings out from other worlds in earlier games. Why? I dunno but maybe it has to do with the prior holy wars. Some of the things referenced in the adventure log are downright destructive, I.E. Black Materia. An Airship with an attack like H-Bomb would be useful in war as well, especially in a world without aircraft. At any rate, to me this seems to actually be counter evidence to the thought that Ivalance is a part of another FF world or at the least, they're all the same world, as you wouldn't need such a literal plot "device" to explain the existence of something/somebody.

Besides, how do you explain the magic system of each respective game? In FF VI, it's largely implied, if not explicitly stated that you have to have some connection to the espers or goddesses to learn magic. In FFT, it seems to be more like something you can/have to figure out for yourself, through experience. And without the aid of summons.

There is also a slight timeline inconsistency.

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You see, in both games, the Moogles seem to have died out. Logically, if both games were in the same timeline this would place VI before Tactics, since that's the game where the Moogles mysteriously disappeared, after the end of the world. However, by the end of VI, all the world's magic was destroyed which, should leave Ivalance fairly Mageless if the two worlds were one and the same... Don't cha think?

There's probably more I'm missing but it seems fairly clear to me that Ivalance is it's own separate little bubble, for the most part.

With regard to the comment about moogles, i have this question to ask you. Are there pegnuines in the north pole? or polar bears in antartica? Yes i know these are two silly questions but i am trying to prove a point. Moogles maybe reststricted to one part of the FFIV world, they are moutian dewelling creatures who prefer snowy places (as shown in six) so this means thats they probably dont travle much or are limted to one area because that is where there food supply is. Also nowhere in six does it say the moogels were killed off. They just kind of vanish, which probably means they moved to a different part of the mountian away from the rest the of the city, which had been over run. The reason you find mog where you do is because he figures if yo are looking for him that would be the most likely place for you to look for him. Plus it was his home, of course he'd want to stay in home. He can defend himself too. i've used mog in many solo missions and he's able to hadle his own.

Now with regard to magic, gau, relm, mog, strego, and i believe setezer can all use magic which they learn naturally with out the use of espers. The reason being is because they have abilities that use some sort of magical powers to use them. Also strego mentioned that the power of magic was given to people long before six durning the war of the magi. They said they espcaped to different a different area where they wouldnt be hunted and tracked. Whose to say a few of them didnt go to Ivalice ? We know that because strego learns magic naturally that it is possible for it to be learned from his blood line with out the use of magicite. Now the only problem is the issue of blue mage, if this were true what happened to blue mage. well strego mentioned that over time there power dwindled. Well maybe the ones in Ivalice lost there blue mage abilites in order to strengthen there over all magic. Which would make it feasable for them to have magic without the use of espers. It would also explan what happened to the blue mage art.

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It's very well possible, after all it clearly states in the summoners job, that the summons are beings called espers.

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With regard to the comment about moogles, i have this question to ask you. Are there pegnuines in the north pole? or polar bears in antartica? Yes i know these are two silly questions but i am trying to prove a point. Moogles maybe reststricted to one part of the FFIV world, they are moutian dewelling creatures who prefer snowy places (as shown in six) so this means thats they probably dont travle much or are limted to one area because that is where there food supply is. Also nowhere in six does it say the moogels were killed off. They just kind of vanish, which probably means they moved to a different part of the mountian away from the rest the of the city, which had been over run. The reason you find mog where you do is because he figures if yo are looking for him that would be the most likely place for you to look for him. Plus it was his home, of course he'd want to stay in home. He can defend himself too. i've used mog in many solo missions and he's able to hadle his own.

Now with regard to magic, gau, relm, mog, strego, and i believe setezer can all use magic which they learn naturally with out the use of espers. The reason being is because they have abilities that use some sort of magical powers to use them. Also strego mentioned that the power of magic was given to people long before six durning the war of the magi. They said they espcaped to different a different area where they wouldnt be hunted and tracked. Whose to say a few of them didnt go to Ivalice ? We know that because strego learns magic naturally that it is possible for it to be learned from his blood line with out the use of magicite. Now the only problem is the issue of blue mage, if this were true what happened to blue mage. well strego mentioned that over time there power dwindled. Well maybe the ones in Ivalice lost there blue mage abilites in order to strengthen there over all magic. Which would make it feasable for them to have magic without the use of espers. It would also explan what happened to the blue mage art.

The problem with FFVI is that it very much seems as if you have access to the whole world, so there's nowhere for the moogles to go.

As for characters using magic...

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Relm and Strago can use magic-type-things because they descend from the mage warriors, who could use magic because they drained it from Espers. So, it does come from Espers.

Also, Strago's explanation of weakining magic is to explain why the Thamasan's magic is so weak. He didn't strengthen his Blue Magic at the expense of other magic; all his magic is weaker that his predecessors'.

And as for some of the mage warriors going to Ivalice: You have access to the whole world in FFVI. There's no Ivalice for them to go to. Not to mention that their descendants would still have lost their magic when Kefka was defeated.

As for Mog, Gau, and Setzer, that's just gameplay. It has nothing to do with the story.

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With all these suggestions and hypotheses floating around this discussion, I see quite a bit of fanfic material here. Maybe this could be a base concept for another fanfic CONtest. Just a thought based on my observation.

I think it is a possibility that FFT is somehow linked to FFVI. Maybe the people involved in the creation of FFT were also involved in FFVI, or maybe they loved the game so much they referenced it a lot (I know Squenix did both, I'm talking about the actual people). It would definitely be cool if they did something with FFVI.

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I honestly doubt your theory. Though the worlds of VI and Tactics may be somewhat similar, and there are references to Setzer and the Blackjack, this is the same with many of the other FF games. It's a minor reference/cameo as a homage to the rest of the series, nothing more.

Tactics has missions involving a bard named Gilbert (or Edward, w/e) and his lover Anna, a ship called the Highwind, and others bearing references to other FF games. You can also discover "wonders" from other games, such as Pandaemonium, the Tower of Bab-il, Falgabard, etc. and you can discover "artefacts" such as the White Materia, a Rat's Tail, and so on.

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I don't think they're the same world. Like Samurai Bob said, there are many FF "artifacts" found throughout all the games.

Second, in FFVI, if you are on the airship and hold A and explore every inch of the world map, you will find that the world is spherical and there is no Ivalice.

The story of FFTactics could not have occured after FFVI because all magic had disappeared from the world. This means no black, white, or red mages and no summoners.

It could not have occured before FFVI because it is believed that Setzer is alive during this time period (of FFT) meaning the story is limited to 27 years before FFVI. And if it was before FFVI, then Gestahl would probably have gone to Ivalice in search for magic instead of in the Esper's world. He would have probably paid big bucks to have Setzer fly him there.

Setzer's appearance in FFT is probably just a cameo appearance or something. I mean, if you use your imagination, I guess you could find a way to make it so that FFT and FFVI are in the same world and everything, but anything could be done in your imaginaiton.

That's just what I think, anyway.

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I don't think they're the same world. Like Samurai Bob said, there are many FF "artifacts" found throughout all the games.

i think that's the big one. in all FF games you can find shared points.

the whole map idea is a good point as well. you can actually fly around the entire world, which would crush the idea of another continent or anything else along those lines.

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It's been said and I'm pretty sure the only reason behind the artifacts and locations that echo those of prior FF games is simply a nod to prior installments. I mean, there is nothing to be gained from exploring or treasure hunting short of JP and cash for your characters. As far as the hidden treasures and such, they're just fun little tidbits. I mean, there're different types of materia, airship references (though never actually see any airships), machine guns, the rat tale and other such things that all poke into many of the series' previous installments. FFT was one of the first FF games not numbered (not including the GB ones) and it was a vastly different gaming style from the rest of the series as well, so I believe Squaresoft, no SqureEnix, simply wanted to put in some comforting little pieces for the longtime fans to draw upon and go "Ahhh... Hey! I remember that!" and such.

However, I do like Tonepoet's suggestion about where Cloud was drawn from and the technology thing, and could even draw a similarity to the recent Transformer movie. They say in the movie that all modern technology was derived from studying Megatron. So, mayhaps these teleportation devices were used to travel to other worlds where artifacts were found or researched and then redeveloped in Ivalice, however the populace may not have been ready for it, hence why none of that past technology exists cause that civ. may have undid itself with its own grotesque amounts of power. I think that there seems like a fun little fanfic idea too. Delving into the past of the Lonkins or something, who are referenced in V and in one of the hidden locations you come across in FFT. Anyways, those be my thoughts. Any takers?

*EDIT* Haha. I'm just waiting for us to try finding the tie between FFVI-X-2 and KH2 because of the appearance of all the FF characters there too. "I think I saw Winnie the Pooh and Mickey in the background of the bar in Dorter! I swear! One of the jobs is posted by Donald Duck! It's just a secret! Press L, R, L, R, A, B, X, Y! ... waitaminute..."

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I don't think they're the same world. Like Samurai Bob said, there are many FF "artifacts" found throughout all the games.

Second, in FFVI, if you are on the airship and hold A and explore every inch of the world map, you will find that the world is spherical and there is no Ivalice.

The story of FFTactics could not have occured after FFVI because all magic had disappeared from the world. This means no black, white, or red mages and no summoners.

It could not have occured before FFVI because it is believed that Setzer is alive during this time period (of FFT) meaning the story is limited to 27 years before FFVI. And if it was before FFVI, then Gestahl would probably have gone to Ivalice in search for magic instead of in the Esper's world. He would have probably paid big bucks to have Setzer fly him there.

Setzer's appearance in FFT is probably just a cameo appearance or something. I mean, if you use your imagination, I guess you could find a way to make it so that FFT and FFVI are in the same world and everything, but anything could be done in your imaginaiton.

That's just what I think, anyway.

Part of the problem with that theory and another one stated above is that places like the phantom forest (the place where the phantom train is) barren falls and a few other locations are clearly seen in the ending but arent accessible, not cause they doesnt exist anymore but because there role in the story is done. Also if you look at the floating content sequence you will quite clearly see places and people that you can't normally access in the game. Same with just before the mid way point of the game when the world is being torn asunder. It's an intersting theory, but the reason places and things dont appear in the game for you to explore is because they have no relevant use. Do you honestly think cities and countries could surive in a world as spread out as they are? the way the world is set up in game it would take years just to establish trade and so forth between two cites. So in a sense it is possible for it to exist in the world, it just isnt shown because it doesnt have anything to do with the story of the game.

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what about FFTA?

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what about FFTA?

What about it? Seriously, what are you trying to ask?

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what about FFTA?

FFTA is a made up world as explained in the begining of the game. It was made using the power of a book that fed on mewts biggest desired, for a world in which he was important and could do as he wished. It really doesnt hold cannon to the rest of the series because they are infact tangable world (i think as there is no reference to them being made from a wish.) and they also seem to have means, in some at least, to travel off those worlds.

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Second, in FFVI, if you are on the airship and hold A and explore every inch of the world map, you will find that the world is spherical and there is no Ivalice.

Actually, it's doughnut-shaped.

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Second, in FFVI, if you are on the airship and hold A and explore every inch of the world map, you will find that the world is spherical and there is no Ivalice.

Maybe it's not the entire world and the only parts you see are the ones you can explore in FFVI, the other side of the "doughnut is Ivalice.

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