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It doesn't make complete sense to me...

Did the emperor really want to kill his most valuable and loyal general?

or was it just kefca's jealousy of him.

I think Kefka had orders to kill Leo if Leo interfered with the magicite gathering, which he did by trying to stop Kefka.

What was there about Leo for Kefka to be jealous of? He just saw Leo as an obsticle to his plans.

well didn't the emperor favor leo more then kefca?
I mean like Leo had a legion of troops kefca only had a few soldiers accompany him.

This post has been edited by Imperial Scout on 29th October 2007 01:43

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well didn't the emperor favor leo more then kefca?
I mean like Leo had a legion of troops kefca only had a few soldiers accompany him.

Leo wanted cooperation and peace, Gestahl wanted magic and war. Kefka was with Gestahl on the matter.

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But wasn't Leo just following the emperor's orders? I mean didn't Gestahl order Leo to bring the returners to (What ever Strago's town is called). I mean it would have seemed that Leo, even though he is a kind hearted soul would die for his emperor even if it was for a rotten cause.

You might have read about Joseph Stalin killing off his best generals after he came to power (and another big namer Trotsky) to get them out of the way. He was afraid their ideas would gain support, and that they would eventually succeed him. it was most likely, however, that no such event would take place, and the entire thing only ended up hurting stalin once the second world war rolled around. leo would have been an obstacle, whereas kefka was more openly in favor of the emperor's plans. im sure kefka was jealous of leo as well, since leo was obviously the favored general.

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Gestahl never really ordered Kefka to kill Leo.

First of all, the reason Kefka hated Leo was not because of jealousy (though that may have been part of it) but because he wanted peace and cooperation.

What happened was, basically, Kefka kills the espers to get the magicite, Leo interferes, Kefka kills him off. To quote Kefka:

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I'll tell your "liege" I had to dispose of a traitor! Uwee-hee-hee!

In short: Gestahl never ordered Kefka to kill Leo, Kefka does anyway, and Gestahl doesn't really care all that much, until Kefka kicks him off a cliff. :D

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You might have read about Joseph Stalin killing off his best generals after he came to power

Josef, FYI.

Leo was ordered to escort the Returners to the Hiding Place of the Espers, Where, once obtained, would be betrayed and stolen. At least, that's what i got from the events. Kefka just took the opporunity to kill Leo.

Hm very interesting, how everyone tells this story slightly different

I think I got the concept now.

- Leo escorts returners to the espers hiding place
- Emperor double crosses Returners
- Kefka invades the Town
- Leo is baffled and has no idea what is going on
- Leo confronts Kefka
- Kefka views Leo as an obstacle standing in his way
- Kefka kills Leo
- Gestahl hears what Kefka reports and sees nothing of the matter

Now my next for my next question!!!
It's a 2 parter!!

Why did Emperor Gestahl invade Doma?
They weren't in league with the returners. (I don't think)
And it wasn't a huge kingdom i think it was smaller then Figaro
and Figaro was never truly invaded except for that one time early game when Kefka set fire to the castle how come the emperor if he was based on world domination never really set his eyes on Figaro?

To the Doma question:

They weren't part of the Returners, but they weren't allied with the Empire either...I think some NPCs mention that the Empire had already taken 3 other kingdoms on their continent, not entirely sure. So basically they attack anything neutral and vulnerable, and even their allies. Hey, they invaded Figaro, right?

As for your Figaro question, I'd assume it's because Figaro was able to cross continents, thus making it difficult for them to focus on conquering it.

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to Doma, the empire simply conquered them because it was somewhere to conquere. another point on the map to eliminate, along with the already-beaten albrook tzen and maranda.

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yeah but what about figaro?

Actually Doma had sided with the Returners. There are two quotes that confirm this.

The first comes in the Imperial camp after Leo departs and the soldier hesitantly goves Kefka the jug of poison. Kefka says ' we need not spare those lands that give rise to the Returners.'

The second quote is in Narshe after the three separate quests are completed. When Gau, Sabin, and Cyan enter the Elder's house and explain what happened to Doma, the Elder says it happened becuase Doma was collaborating with the Returners.

As far as Figaro's concerned, they did take South Figaro, though taking Figaro Castle would have been more difficult since it was mobile.

I remind you that officially, Figaro is allied with the Empire, that's why they weren't attacked. South Figaro was only taken AFTER Edgar helped Terra and was only taken, because there was a traitor in the town.

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I don't think Gestahl wanted Leo killed. Even if Leo had an occasional attack of the conscience, he was extremely loyal and a great asset to the Imperial side. Kefka killing him was, I think, all Kefka's decision -- he not only found Leo extremely annoying but was, if you'll remember, SLIGHTLY mentally unhinged (surely not!).

But if you'll remember, Kefka was infused with magic while Leo wasn't. That makes Kefka even more valuable to Gestahl, since, as Gestahl himself says in the Japanese and GBA versions, Kefka and Celes could be interbred to produce intriguing Magitek children (ew).

So I suspect Gestahl was quite peeved about Leo's murder, but not enough to kill Kefka or even keep him safely locked away. Kefka was just too important when it came to Gestahl's grand magical plans.

As for Doma, besides the whole Returners thing, it was just resistant to the Empire in general. Maranda had been the same way, and their government/royal family brutally slaughtered before Gestahl took them over. That's imperialism for you -- gotta expand at all times.

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Gestahl mostly used Leo for his own evil motives, so I assume he didn't care too much if he died. Gestahl didn't need him more anyway after he used him to find the espers. Sure, he wouldn't complain if he still was alive, but by that point Leo wasn't too important.