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Here's a link to an actual news article about this.

FEB.26th, 2007:

Listening to "The Church of Lazlo" on 107.7 the end radio, they begin to announce the 'Offentra's got issues' part of the show, and one of her issues is with the Discovery channel's apparent broadcast of a show. Well it just so happens that this show is the announcement of strange stone "Caskets" which bear the names of Jesus, Mary Magdoline (Forgive the spelling), Judas, etc. There are over 8, i believe, names of people mentioned in the bible as highly religious figures, one on each casket, and they reference this to some of the ideas connecting with the movie "The DaVinci Code".

Now, some people are becoming annoyed with scientists age testing the bones in the caskets, because then it would create catastrophe as to whether the Bible was lying to people for multiple decades, or if this bone testing is a "farce", as one caller put it, and is a joke or false.

What do you all think? Has anyone heard this anywhere, online, news, radio, etc?

(PS: was anyone listening to the same Broadcast sometime around 2:30 or so today!)

This post has been edited by karasuman on 27th February 2007 18:48

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My thought is- how faithful are you if you aren't willing to allow your lords bones get put to the test? If they are faithful, they shouldn't be worrying about the results.

It does seem like a joke to me. I'd be surprised if this wasn't a fabrication.

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Well the 'Jesus' bones can't be his, becouse jesus didn't die. However it is possible that the others may be real.

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Supposing there was strong scientific proof that it was the skeleton of Jesus, would you give up your faith? I'm not a religious guy but one whole half of my family are. I know for a fact that they wouldn't care either way. It would be strange if the other skeletons were the disciples and Mary Magdeline (or was she a disciple? Haven't read the Bible in years.) They'd probably be moved to the Vatican or something, and people would be able to see them. I'd imagine many Christians would visit there at some point in their lives.

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I'm a little surprised that Christians are upset about this. If they've found the bones of Jesus (and Joseph, Mary, the other Mary, and Jesus' brothers) it only really means that a couple of passages were wrong, right? The one where Jesus ascended to heaven that people thought meant spiritually AND physically (which I didn't even know about until after I had rejected Catholism, so it can't be that huge of a thing. I always thought it was just spiritually), and the parts having to do directly with whether or not Jesus had brothers, was a father, or possibly wasn't really the result of a virgin birth.

Testing may not find anything at all. Or it might just find that Jesus' body rests on earth (and his spirit can be wherever the Christians thought it was). It's a little silly to get mad because people discovered this and are now looking into it.

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The bones are not the bones of Jesus of Nazareth. Whatever the dating tests show, whatever spin the finders try to put on it, none of that matters.

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Once again, I agree with Hamedo. According to fundamentalist Christianity, Jesus was resurrected bodily after his crucifixion and his body became special (i.e. he still had scars from his wounds, and he ate food, but he could also walk through locked doors.) Then he and his "elevated" (for lack of a better word) flesh ascended into Heaven after a few weeks.

If those bones really are the bones of Jesus of Nazereth, Christianity is a big joke. (It would mean large portions of scripture are outright lies, which is probably unnaceptable to any Christian except perhaps a very liberal one.)

This post has been edited by BDZ on 27th February 2007 13:39

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This proves and changes nothing.

If the bones are real, all's we know is that some person named Jesus did exist. Not that this man wasn't simply a very charismatic "cult" leader whose recorded history was slightly embellished and his cult eventually caught on to become a full religion. Or the son of god. Or even a character in a play that people started interpreting as a religion. It just proves he existed, not that there's anything true or false about religion.

And if the bones aren't his? Nothing's been proven or disproven either. Life goes on.

So frankly I don't even see how this is big news. Jesus may've been (according to christians) the son of god, he was still living in a mortal shell. His body was made of blood and flesh, not sunshine and farts. So... y'know... bones. It proves nothing either way.

Probably just a stunt to announce the DaVinci Code II.

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Quote (Hamedo @ 27th February 2007 12:50)

The bones are not the bones of Jesus of Nazareth.  Whatever the dating tests show, whatever spin the finders try to put on it, none of that matters.

True. Either way you look at it, the remains of Jesus cannot exist. Either Jesus in the bible does not exist, either at all or as presented (Atheist, any non-Christian/Islamic faith) or he ascended to heaven and his remains are no longer on earth.

Even if this wasn't a hoax, it would wind up proving nothing even if the evidence it presented was irrefutable. People have a habit of believing a "lie" the longer it goes on presented as truth.

The BBC story on this sheds a little more light on it IMO, and the information in there makes me think it's a hoax or misunderstanding. It all sounds like it's fake or a coincidence jumped on by people a little too eager to cause a fuss. Otherwise, maybe, y'know, someone might have piced up on it IN THE FRIGGIN' 80's WHEN THEY DUG IT UP?!

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Heh, I just heard this on the radio like... now.

A church somewhere has Jesus' foreskin.

Kinda hard to believe but apparently there are 6-7 of them and all churches claim they have the real deal.

Sounds kind of weird to me. Dunno if there's any info about this out there but they seemed pretty serious. Draw your own conclusions.

Apparently, Jesus had a small wang. I guess he never really used it, being the savior of mankind and all, so god probably figured he'd invest in other body parts.

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This proves and changes nothing.

If the bones are real, all's we know is that some person named Jesus did exist.

You have to be kind of out of it to need Jesus's bones to believe that Jesus of Nazareth existed. That he existed is a historical fact, bones or not.

At any rate, it would destroy Christianity if the bones could actually be proven without a doubt to be those of Jesus of Nazareth. But I don't see how that could be done.

And yeah, relics are wierd. I personally believe most of them are fake, and if they are real, they don't mean anything.

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Indeed, that the person, Jesus, existed is undeniable wether you're christian or not. Though there is the distant possibility that he was just a fabrication by a group of people to start a religion ("zomg i knew this guy hes liek able to walk on water its true ask Paul!") that's pretty unlikely.

Anyone else mystified how they could keep those bones for over 20 years and only bring them up now? The bit about how some people think the other caskets hint that Jesus may've been married and even had a son with Mary Mag...thingie is interesting too. >"<

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The discovery channel will broadcast this topic this sunday for those interested, and i thought that it had already happened.

I think they said around 7:00PM, but check your local listings anyways...

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Quote (DrkMagimaster282 @ 26th February 2007 21:13)

Now, some people are becoming annoyed with scientists age testing the bones in the caskets, because then it would create catastrophe as to whether the Bible was lying to people for multiple decades, or if this bone testing is a "farce", as one caller put it, and is a joke or false.

I fail to see how any result leads to the Bible "lying to people for multiple decades." Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that anyone's bones can be found in a specific place. And I find it hard to believe that you didn't misunderstand, because no one putting their faith in the relics of saints would also believe that Christ's bones could be lying around *anywhere*.

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I'm just interested to know how they plan on testing that they are in fact the bones of Jesus of Nazareth, Son of God, the Only Begotten, and not just some dude named Jesus?

Unless of course, they have property of JC etched in the grooves.....

Quote (Silverlance @ 27th February 2007 11:53)

Heh, I just heard this on the radio like... now.

A church somewhere has Jesus' foreskin.

Kinda hard to believe but apparently there are 6-7 of them and all churches claim they have the real deal.

Sounds kind of weird to me. Dunno if there's any info about this out there but they seemed pretty serious. Draw your own conclusions.

Apparently, Jesus had a small wang. I guess he never really used it, being the savior of mankind and all, so god probably figured he'd invest in other body parts.

Thought I'd point out, I don't know how big his wang was in adulthood, but he was born a Jew, and Jews have their foreskin cut at 8 days. Trust me on this one.

But yeah, on topic, Dan Brown is gonna love this whole thing.

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I'm not big on christianity, but I do like the idea of Jesus, and the idea that he did more than the bible says. (marriage, kids, etc.)

Here's the thing: Yes Jesus ascended into heaven, but there's no reason to take the fleshbag of a human body along for the ride. He was born as human which would make his spirit human, that's all that was needed. So sure there would be a body left over. Just because they might have wrote it out of the bible doesn't mean that there wasn't actually more to the story.

You extremeists decide if it can't be 100% true, it has to be 100% false. Which is actually a similar reason to why the church was killing people back in the day. Now the people are killing the church. Our lack of faith has turned into an anti-faith worse than the faith that was rebelled against. It's the sign of a closed mind. (Note: I didn't call anyone stupid, just closed, and closed can change.)

I like the idea of trying to unravel the truths from the lies. It may take longer than any of us will be around for, but the entire bible can't be false. And saying that it has been around for a little while, it would be interesting to see how much of it can hold up. I've got my money on only about 20-30%, but even 1% is worth finding out.

I hope they are Jesus' bones, not for a destruction of the church, but for someone to have to provide some real answers.

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maybe it is Jesus

and the jesus's sons casket confirms to the da vinci code fiction

I believe the bible is part truth with each adaption skewing the content (like chinese whispers)

either that or it is another form of control used by authorities of the time

there are thousands of religions; only one can possibly be truthfull
by conclusion there has always been millions of gullible people basing their lives in a bunch of hocus pocus crap


(7 days but no dinosaurs people - sounds like a fictional writers version of what he believes happened and not scientific fact)

This post has been edited by john aiton on 27th February 2007 21:35

Really, how can you believe that a woman can get pregnant with out having sexual relations? How can you believe that mankind was doomed for eating a single fruit? The bible can be very deceiving, and I wouldn't be surprise that in the present there are still a bunch of lies still been thrown at Christians.

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You misunderstood, I DO believe in Christianity, I don't believe in the fanatic followers and the liars. Sorry if I offended anyone, that wasn't my intention. Just expressing myself.

Yes, I do believe in the MAN known as Jesus, not in the image Christianity believes in and has shaped it to be. Above everything else, Jesus always said he was the Son of Man, not the Son of God, the most misinterpreted entity in history. God is not a supreme power of mighty mega forces that rules all existence, all God really is, is the best characteristics of mankind put together to form one perfect entity, and that was exactly what Jesus was, at least what the bible says he was.

Anyway, I can go on forever talking about religious and spiritual stuff, but this is not the topic for that. If indeed Jesus' bones were found, what's the big deal, it would only mean that what rised above to the 'heavens' was his spirit and not his body, which is very unlikely. I mean c'mon, think about it, and don't give me no faith crap, let's be realistic.

We all know that if you come back from the dead, that would make you a zombie. ALL PRAISE THE ZOMBIE MESSIAH, okay now that's blasphemy, but really, think about it. Look at me, I'm flying to the heavens after been resurrected YAY!

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Quote (leilong @ 27th February 2007 21:26)

Here's the thing: Yes Jesus ascended into heaven, but there's no reason to take the fleshbag of a human body along for the ride. He was born as human which would make his spirit human, that's all that was needed. So sure there would be a body left over. Just because they might have wrote it out of the bible doesn't mean that there wasn't actually more to the story

actually; the bible states Jesus was resurected then ascended to heaven

if he just died then went to heaven-----leaving a body behind
then it wouldn't be a resurrection

Quote (SaffireWeapon @ 27th February 2007 22:11)

Really, how can you believe that a woman can get pregnant with out having sexual relations? How can you believe that mankind was doomed for eating a single fruit? The bible can be very deceiving, and I wouldn't be surprise that in the present there are still a bunch of lies still been thrown at Christians.

Yes, I do believe in the MAN known as Jesus, not in the image Christianity believes in and has shaped it to be. Above everything else, Jesus always said he was the Son of Man, not the Son of God, the most misinterpreted entity in history.

We all know that if you come back from the dead, that would make you a zombie. ALL PRAISE THE ZOMBIE MESSIAH, okay now that's blasphemy, but really, think about it. Look at me, I'm flying to the heavens after been resurrected YAY!

Response to above paragraph #1: There is a thing called "the supernatural." Call it stupid, Christians and plenty of other people believe in it.

Response to above paragraph #2:

When Jesus and his disciples were near the town of Caesarea Philippi, he asked them, "What do people say about the Son of Man?"
The disciples answered, "Some people say you are John the Baptist or maybe Elijah or Jeremiah or some other prophet."
Then Jesus asked them, "But who do you say I am?"
Simon Peter spoke up, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
Jesus told him: Simon, son of Jonah, you are blessed! You didn't discover this on your own. It was shown to you by my Father in heaven.

That's Matthew 16:13-17 (CEV Translation.) What I don't understand is how you pick and choose which parts of the Bible you choose to believe.

Response to paragraph #3:

Call it what you will, resurrection is cool. I believe that one day, unless Jesus returns before I die, my dead physical body will be resurrected. I think that's awsome, not stupid.

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Question: is there a specific passage in the Bible that says Jesus will return?

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Quote (john aiton @ 27th February 2007 16:59)

Quote (leilong @ 27th February 2007 21:26)

Here's the thing: Yes Jesus ascended into heaven, but there's no reason to take the fleshbag of a human body along for the ride. He was born as human which would make his spirit human, that's all that was needed. So sure there would be a body left over. Just because they might have wrote it out of the bible doesn't mean that there wasn't actually more to the story

actually; the bible states Jesus was resurected then ascended to heaven

if he just died then went to heaven-----leaving a body behind
then it wouldn't be a resurrection

He was resurrected and walked on earth again, He spoke with the other disciples, and even had thomas touch his hands to prove he was there (where we get the phrase "doubting thomas"), and then at that point said, "well, I gotta go now." and ascended to heaven. I don't know about you, but I've never actually seen someone ascend into heaven, but if a body just started rising, it would eventually run out of oxygen in the upper atmosphere, or hit the atmospheric ceiling and inscinerate. Wether written in the bible or not, it makes much more sense that his spirit ascended, which is what everyone saw go up (to who knows where), but a body was left over. If I was writing a book about that, I'd probably leave that part out.

I probably shouldn't have used this part as an example, I still hav my own diffuculties trying to rationalize the whole death and rebirth thing to myself. This is definitely one of those bible sections that's probably 20-30% true. But working on what we have, that would be my rationalization.

And then there's always the option that the disciples used the only phoenix down they had, and he ended up dying again...
(I hate being too serious too long)

Stupid satan and his lvl 5 deaths...

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You make pretty good points BDZ, but let's not forget, the bible was written by mankind, and you know mankind is no the trustablekind.

Can't wait for that DC documentary to air.

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Quote (SaffireWeapon @ 28th February 2007 17:47)

You make pretty good points BDZ, but let's not forget, the bible was written by mankind, and you know mankind is no the trustablekind.

I guess I can't tell you to believe that the Bible was inspired by God, but thanks for at least thinking about where Christians are coming from.

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Hmm, I've given this some thought, only a little mind you.
The Bible states that Jesus will rise once again right? At least I think it does and he goes on to kick butt, etc and stop bad people doing their thing.
So perhaps the way that happens, is by his DNA being extracted from these bones in a science lab, and hurray, the messiah is back using clone technology!
See we all knew this science stuff was good for something.

I'm sure everyone will dismiss this, but you never know...
If it does happen, you heard it here first, and anyone who says I'm wrong owes me a Rolo cookie, right?

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I wonder how they will try to link the DNA in the bones to the historical Jesus the Nazarene? There are no known (that I'm aware of, anyway) samples of Christ's DNA floating about.

If the best they can come up with is that this skeleton "probably" lived "around the same time period" as Jesus, I'll personally laugh at them.

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I can't imagine they would be able to do better than what you suggest Hamedo. Unless of course they can link the bones with a foreskin which so many churches claim to have which belonged to Christ?
So basically, yes you will be laughing at them, lol.

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Maybe they can make an entire army of Jes-i. (<- how else do you plural jesus without saying jesusses?)
Maybe the new Jesus doesn't derive his main power from divine power, but from sheer numbers.
And more importantly... (the best joke setup ever!) ...they could mass produce, and everyone could have their own personal Jesus! You know, someone to hear your prayers... someone who cares. LMAOROTF!

Sorry, this whole reply is totally in character, but out of place.

But, back on topic, the idea of cloning does raise some interesting points...

Jesus would come again, not necessarily be born like normal.

But cloning? People are bound to screw that up.

And being a person, Jesus would have to grow up and develop his own ideas all over again, wouldn't it be interesting to see what sort of path he took if he wasn't informed that he was in fact the clone of Jesus? How funny would an athiest Jesus be? Or an emo Jesus, a punk Jesus, goth Jesus, or preppy Jesus? There's no telling which way that would go. But that kind of knowledge dropped on a kid in this day and age... it's a miracle in itself that the first Jesus came out as well as he did.

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