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Okay. So as FFVI Advance dawns on us, one of the editors at my Final Fantasy Wiki has decided that he likes the new names better than the old names, and that we should use them, even though 1. more people know the old names, and 2. More people like the old names. As such, this is the topic for discussing the new versus old names for stuff.

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Valigarmanda is the first one I don't like. It's Tritotch's new name. How they could rename something so important to the story and something so engrained in FFVI fan's hearts is beyond me.

Also, I've learned they renamed most of the Blitzes and SwordTechs. This includes a rename of Suplex to "Meteor Strike" (some people are happy that it makes Sabin "The same as Tifa and Zell," but I find that offensive, as Sabin is so much cooler than both Tifa and Zell). Also, Retort was renamed "Sky." That makes absolutely no sense. Dispatch is now Fang, Slash is now Tiger, Pummel is now Raging Fists, Aurabolt is now Aura Wave, Quadra Slam is now Flurry, and Cleave is now Oblivion.

What was wierd though was Quadra Slice being renamed "Tempest." That's confusing, as there is already a weapon called the Tempest.

Finally, and this is more understandable, Empowerer is now Dragon.

I miss the good ol' days. Everything is still its old name in my book. -CSM

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If it's actually a Wiki, the guy is a bit daft for not including both versions of the names. There's no way that CoN would or will force users to only use one set if/when we cover FF6a.

Beyond that, I don't really care too much. I can't say it really makes sense that they would change major names that have impact on the script, but the changes aren't things that make the game less playable. Funny that I haven't heard anyone else complain about the Tritoch name change, though. I could swear several chatters have moved beyond that stage.

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Note that I didn't say anything about being a "true gamer." I think that label in general is really stupid. I don't care precisely because I'm not some sort of hardcore person, I think.

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 7th February 2007 15:54

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Well said R-51! Its a great game and it makes no sense yet noone cares about the change of the "New Names" The Old Will ALWAYS be the best no matter what
if you were a true gamer youd see that it doesnt matter.
Theyll Never be able recreate a Better Final Fantasy VI!

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Whelk was renamed as Ymir and from what I've gathered so far, every monster in the bestiary has been renamed as well

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Well said R-51! Its a great game and it makes no sense yet noone cares about the change of the "New Names" The Old Will ALWAYS be the best no matter what
if you were a true gamer youd see that it doesnt matter.
Theyll Never be able recreate a Better Final Fantasy VI!

Well, aren't most of these "New Names" even older than the older onesl? Valigarmanda is Tritoch's Japanese name, since before FF VI was even released in the US. Palidor's Japanese name is Quezalcoatl, but for some reason they made him Queztalli in this version. However, Ultros's name hasn't changed to the JP Orthos, and all of the major character names I've encountered are the same as in the Woolsey translation. From what I've seen, the VI Advance localization team has tried to stay truer to the Japanese script than the Woolsey translation, but they haven't completely abandoned it either.

But whatever. I'm not an old-school elitist. I can survive name changes. As I've been playing I've gotten irked now and then by some of the changes I've seen, but it's nothing more than a temporary

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The new names and changes give me a headache, personally. I dont mean that in a metaphorical term; they literally give me a headache.

I can only play the game for about a half hour or so before I have to play something else.


After I finish ff6a I'll probably have another go through the original, just to refresh in my mind the superior translation.

Here's an example of what I proposed. This is the opening to the Whelk article.

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The Whelk (also known as the Ymir in the GBA version) is a boss in the game Final Fantasy VI.

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This editor, if I may say so, is a moron. Yes, new names is an intresting development and barring it getting a tad confusing and silly in some cases it's fine if they want to change things (Though if it's to bring into line with more modern games, then may Rabbids attack them), but I thought Wiki's worked on notability. The most NOTABLE name should be the first and foremost IMO, followed by the alternate translations then the Kanji and direct romanisation or whatever the hell is is.

Not the new stuff because it's hip.

That is the sound of another toilet flushing.

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Come to think of it, it's really not important at all that some minor wiki run by people even more close minded than ME, that doesn't even have the brains to see the problem with saying "American version" rather than "English Language" would have an editor who thinks it's smart to go with the newest version first and only becuz it's ogm new!!

This post has been edited by Del S on 8th February 2007 06:18

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To be brutaly honest in my opinion. I dont think they shouldve made a remake.
The original will ALWAYS be a bigger hit to true gamers. Those who are true to the
Original will try the newer system/game and buy it but never use it unless they
turn to a last resort. That IS the 1ST law in the "True Gamers HandBook"
Its written right there with many other ones Im sure other CoN members could name.

I'm incredibly biased for the original on the SNES, so the old names are the best.

Does Valigarmanda mean anything? Because when I was first playing I remembered Triotch's powers from his name.

And I can't say I understand what this 'Sky' move is either. Retort is a perfect name for it, it's exactly what it is.

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Well it's a given that remakes suck. That's why I'm never going to buy even the revamped FFIIIDS. The fact that the music got butched in these remakes is also a HUGE problem. -CSM

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Quote (laszlow @ 8th February 2007 05:35)

Palidor's Japanese name is Quezalcoatl, but for some reason they made him Queztalli in this version.

Nope, it was Queztali in the Japanese version as well.

From FFCompendium:

"Palidor's Japanese name - Quetzali - is a rare tropical bird from Central America." No, it does not refer to Quetzalcoatl.

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aw man couldn't they of just kept the names the same? But i guess it doesn't matter too much i just can't wait for it to come out, but i would have preferred that at least the bosses/espers names stayed the same. Anyone else get annoyed when FFVIII replaced Ramuh with that weird bird thing lol, i didn't like that but this is only the names that are changing not the espers right?

Really, it's just a game.
Sure the name changes are slightly annoying... but think of it as a new adventure. What would be the point of re-releasing it if they didn't do anything to it?
Part of me wanted them to do it, but seriously.
If you hate it that much, stop playing it and go back to your Super Nintendo and just stop whining about it.
They're just names.

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Really, it's just a game.
Sure the name changes are slightly annoying... but think of it as a new adventure. What would be the point of re-releasing it if they didn't do anything to it?
Part of me wanted them to do it, but seriously.
If you hate it that much, stop playing it and go back to your Super Nintendo and just stop whining about it.
They're just names.

True true! It's like the names have been changed to protect the (not so) innocent!

This post has been edited by LadyArmageddon on 8th February 2007 15:37

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Aurabolt is now Aura Wave

Aura Cannon, actually.

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That is best suited for a personal message. We're not here to determine who is and who is not on your wiki. -R51

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WHAT... the hell is a...a WIKI?! They CHANGED Sabins AuraBolt to Aura Wave?!
One of the strongest characters in the game! Oh HELL NO! They went to far!
I bet they even changed HIS name!

I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it to Mash.

A Wiki, BTW, is a site that any Tom, Dick, or Harry can come along and edit. It's kinda like a fansite made by fans and for fans. There are currently four FF Wikis on the internet, mine is the most indepth of them as far as my knowledge goes (one of them is actually restricted to FFXI stuff)

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Lol name changes are teh ebil!11one. >_>

Sabin's name is still the same.

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Quote (Hikaroo @ 8th February 2007 08:15)

Really, it's just a game.
Sure the name changes are slightly annoying... but think of it as a new adventure. What would be the point of re-releasing it if they didn't do anything to it?
Part of me wanted them to do it, but seriously.
If you hate it that much, stop playing it and go back to your Super Nintendo and just stop whining about it.
They're just names.

If that is the way you truely feel then you wouldnt get worked up if people called you mud. Look at it this way, the thing that makes the game so memerable is, the lines, the story, the charecters, and the names. It'd be like if George Lucas came out and said he was changing everyone one's name in StarWars to "Bob", people would be rioting in the streets. Sure it's just a game to you, but to us who grew up with it , locke, terra, strago, celes, gau, mog, and everyone else in the game are our friends. Change the names and it's like having a completely different person, and having to remeet them over again. Gamers remember the games they play for some of quirky things, FFVI had the weird names and a funny one liners. These will remain in the hearts of fans for generations to come, but to say to just get over it, and there just names or its just a game, well thats just wrong. So if you truely feel that way i shall call you mud from now on.

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If that is the way you truely feel then you wouldnt get worked up if people called you mud. Look at it this way, the thing that makes the game so memerable is, the lines, the story, the charecters, and the names. It'd be like if George Lucas came out and said he was changing everyone one's name in StarWars to "Bob", people would be rioting in the streets. Sure it's just a game to you, but to us who grew up with it , locke, terra, strago, celes, gau, mog, and everyone else in the game are our friends. Change the names and it's like having a completely different person, and having to remeet them over again. Gamers remember the games they play for some of quirky things, FFVI had the weird names and a funny one liners. These will remain in the hearts of fans for generations to come, but to say to just get over it, and there just names or its just a game, well thats just wrong. So if you truely feel that way i shall call you mud from now on.

As I've been trying to say from the beginning, the names and lines HAVEN'T changed. The only thing that has changed is the English localization. This time, they tried to modernize it and make it more accessible and accurate for today's audiences, and made several changes that are MORE accurate to the game's original (Japanese) content while keeping many names the same so as not to enrage longtime fans (like this forum, for example).

I have mixed opinions about the changes that have been made. I prefer some of the old content to the new content, and vice versa. If we are getting this angry about a modernized translation (I don't seem to remember the lot of us having these problems with FF V or FF IV Advance....) then what does that say about us as fans? We're acting like old farts with Confederate flags on our front lawns. We need to stop complaining about some minor changes in translation and try to enjoy the game. If you don't like the new translation, fine. Stop whining and go return your cartridge. If you like the new translation, that's fine too. We don't need to act like babies about this, people.

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Jeez. Who'd have thought a couple of minor changes made to a video game would have caused so much angst?

I mean, sure, I like the name Tritoch but I can survive with... err... that exceptionally long name he's going by nowadays. Really, if these are the biggest changes made, the game is still the awesomeness that is Final Fantasy VI.

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well that really messed up everything.
and another thing is they wasted their time with just changing the names and other stuff, but instead they should've just make a new 3D graphic for it, it'll be even better.

To quote Shakespeare:

"What is in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet..."

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To quote Shakespeare:

"What is in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet..."

Too true. I used to be upset about the change of the names, but I've heard so many people freaking out that I just don't care anymore. You know, they could've not remade FFVI at all. Which is better, new translation + remake or old translation + no remake?

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EDIT at King Ed:
Right now I'm leaning torwards no remake, personally.
As many have said before, though, it's all opinion. Good for some people, bad for others.

This post has been edited by Kaijyuu on 12th February 2007 23:52