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A 1000+ poster leaves and nary a word is whispered about it.

The reason for leaving? A MOD wanted to "get them back" for typing something that he personally saw as demeaning.

I hate internet drama. Especially forum drama. It is pointless, and usually such a circular argument that gets so diluted that nothing even remotely useful comes of it.

But nonetheless, I feel I have to say something here.

By and large, the attitudes of the MODS around here has sucked lately.

I'm not pointing to any specific MOD's or threads. They are all out here in the open for everyone to read through if they like. What I see when I look around though are a lot of petty attitudes and little jabs here and there from the people that are supposed to be keeping the rest of us from doing that same thing to each other. I look around, and by and large I am not impressed in the least with the job the MODs here are doing, nor with the manner that they are doing it in.

I'm not posting this here because I want everyone who thinks the same way to rise up. Like I said, forum drama is lame. Likewise, I don't particularly care to read the sycophants postings of "nuh uh!" in here either. I'm jsut speaking my mind is all. Agree with it, disagree with it, I really don't care. This is just one lone poster expressing my disatisfaction with the moderation or a forum that I very much enjoy visiting.

To The Ancient, I for one will miss you.

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Forum drama is lame. Therefore, so is this thread. You can't post something that does nothing but invite drama and then expect that you can somehow keep yourself above it.

Don't blame everything that goes on around here on the mods. That's scapegoating and it's not going to make it any better.

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And there are lots of reasons that "nary a word" might come about the situation you describe. If you can only come up with one, you're stopping too soon.

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 19th January 2007 21:57

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Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN?

Why is "MOD" capitalized? Did it become an acronyme while I had my back turn?

Internet drama is ridiculous. The internet is a tool, nothing more, nothing less. It's best left that way. If what someone MILES away from you whom you'll almost certainly never meet in person says something that offends you and you have to make a big scene over it, you have issues. And if you feel enclined to launch a personal vandetta against someone you'll never meet in person, same thing.

If something's up between a mod and a veteran poster, I suspect it would be best left up between the two of them. If The Ancient feels the only way this can be resolved is by leaving, that's his opinion. If he's leaving out of spite because someone on the internet offended him, well, frankly, good riddance. Either way, it's not my business, and very few other people's. I do hope the issue gets resolved, but I don't think it warrants people raising personal issues with how things are run here.

If you can't cope with it, you'll have a real hard time with life in general. It's the internet. A forum on the internet. Run privately by people who, frankly, have every right to boot everyone off on a whim (not that it'd be a good idea if they want the site to survive though. >"<) I think this one is best left up to the two people involved, plain and simple...

My two cents. I'm not as active as I used to be, so my opinion isn't as valid as most people's would be. But hey, that's how I see things.

Edit: For that matter, I hardly know the circumstances surrounding this. I'm just speaking in general terms here in my typical "Bah, screw the internet" way. >"< No offense to either parties involved - best of luck resolving this in a mature and positive way.

This post has been edited by Silverlance on 19th January 2007 22:09

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Forum drama is lame.  Therefore, so is this thread. You can't post something that does nothing but invite drama and then expect that you can somehow keep yourself above it.

I think I was pretty clear that I was stating my viewpoint, and specifically not looking for drama. If you truly feel the thread is lame, and as such below you or somehow unworthy of your time, then why did you feel the need to post in it? Just to call it lame?

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Don't blame everything that goes on around here on the mods.

I fail to see where I did that. Perhaps you could point out that part of my post to me?

Likewise, maybe you need to realize that your MODs are not performing their responsibilities to the best of their ability. Maybe, just maybe, they own a little piece of the discord here? Nah....

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And there are lots of reasons that "nary a word" might come about the situation you describe. If you can only come up with one, you're stopping too soon

Maybe I did stop too soon. I can't read others' PM's though, so all I know that has been said on the subject of TA's passing is what I've seen posted.... which is decidedly little.

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Why is "MOD" capitalized?

I don't know why I do that, to be honest Silverlance.

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What are you talking about Hamedo, CoNMoD rules, they are the absolute God's of moderating. WHAT? I'm not trying to kiss any AAAHHH!!!

Me been part of internet drama ( or stupidity) back in that other forum, know a thing or two about how stupid net drama is, I for one will never ever take things to that drama level ever again. I prefer the cool relax mood that I have experienced so far since late 2005 here in CoN, you just have to love it!

One thing I learned from that other forum is, the internet is not a democracy, the intenet is whatever the rules say it is!

Why leave because you have problems with one member, when there are hundreds you can talk and have fun with!

This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 19th January 2007 22:17

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Hamedo, I have to say, and I don't mean to insult, but this is -exactly- the kind of thing that will get ye banned. "BRING DOWN THE SYSTEM!" though you're not exactly saying that had the same feel. That guy got banned very quickly.

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(SaffireWeapon) One thing I learned from that other forum is, the internet is not a democracy, the intenet is whatever the rules say it is!

Very good point there. And also:

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(R51) You can't post something that does nothing but invite drama and then expect that you can somehow keep yourself above it.

I'd have said it differently, but I think the CoN rules say something against this type of thread. I don't want to tell you how to post, but I don't want to see anybody banned, either...

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I think it may be best to just leave the issue alone and hope the two people involved have the maturity to discuss the issue. If not, well, it's a shame someone'd leave over just a single person, but what can you do.

That's all I have to say on the subject. I'm heading home anyways, so I'm done here. At any rate leaving the issue alone may be better than sparking flames over something only two people have the power to resolve.

Have a nice weekend everyone.

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"Judge not a man by his thoughts and words, but by
the quality and quantity of liquor in his possession
and the likelyhood of him sharing."

The Ancient is not the first person to leave these forums out of a personal dispute with another member or Mod and probably won't be the last, but to imply that the disagreement that made The Ancient leave was the fault of a Moderator or that any such incident is their fault is ridiculous.

Not all of us are going to get along, it's only natural that with conflicting opinions and personalities, some people are just going to clash. The fact remains that even if the two involved members were taking shots on each other, it was The Ancient's choice to up and leave. No one told him to or implied that he should, he came to the conclusion on his own. Honestly, people here have said worse things to each other and taken far harsher shots for the sake of "arguement" and a heat of the moment situation where you're worked up from whatever it is that you're typing, but despite that, this is still the internet. If you let words get to you, then that's your own problem.

I'm not going to kiss ass and say that every mod on this site should be nominated for Saint-hood, but I've been a member of these forums a lot longer than the majority of members and caused my share of trouble. I have never had a problem with any single one of the mods despite this and for the most part, they do their job as efficiently as possible. Still, they're human and liable to get upset or make an off-handed comment from time to time.

Maybe this whole thing is just a bit ridiculous, sure, but if internet drama is lame Hamedo, why would you feel the need to express an opinion you should full well know would attract it's fair share of attention and create drama of it's own?

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Okay, but there was a goat!

Since internet drama is lame and Hamedo claims to know that, maybe it's time to stop talking about it.

Yes, I am aware of the irony that goes with this post. With a little luck, though, the post asking that further posting not contribute to this comedy will be the last.

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True story about internet drama:

In high school I was a member of the chicagosports.com message boards, mainly the cross country section. It was a little different than a site like this, in that the community was a lot less anonymous, since we saw a lot of the other posters at meets and whatnot. Most members were other high school runners, coaches, and fans, and we are pretty polite to each other. There was one guy, however, who was borderline crazy. He was a girls club coach (no high school would hire him) but he somehow managed to build a pretty decent club team. Said team was 100% anorexic (rumor has it he encouraged it,) and he had a number of other issues rumored about him that I won't even get into. He posted over and over under different pseudonyms, usually disparaging runners performances, or in girls' case, their weights.

I did a good job ignoring him throughout high school. I tended to ignore his posts and not comment on any of the drama. But was in a unique position to prove his identity (he always denied it under his pseudonyms,) when I saw him at an all-star meet in Ohio (he's not allowed to attend Illinois High School Association events,) posting on his laptop (one of his girls, who was capable of being in the top ten, finished somewhere in the 50s, and it was rumored he told her to throw it because it wasn't as important as the race she was running for him in the next week.) So the next year when I was in college, but still posting about the races I had seen this year, I called him on his BS when he insulted someone I knew from another school. Of the course of the next hour, he proceeds to-

A- post all my personal information on the message board (where I live, my phone number, social security, everything)
B- Make a member named after my late father to take a shot at me.

He deleted it all after a few minutes, but I had seen it, and printed hard copies to send to the forum moderator. I stopped posting there after that.

2 YEARS LATER...

I was woken up by the police in my apartment (which is scary as hell in itself.) They asked if I was alright, and I asked "yeah, why wouldn't I be?" Apparently, someone had posted under my name on a message board implying they were going to kill themselves. I immediately came here, since the Caves are the only place I've posted ever since. With nothing weird here, I asked who reported it. It was one of my friends from the forum (a banker from Elmhurst, at that,) who suspected it wasn't me but just called the police to be sure. I went to that website and found out that "someone" had been posting under a name like mine (an anagram of his own name with "gears" at the front,) and just generally being an asshole until people started insulting him, at which point he said "I've had it with you guys, I've had it with life. I hope you all feel really sorry when you see what's happened to me tomorrow." Mind you, I haven't had any contact with him or this message board for 2 years. I dont know if he was just pulling a prank, or still harboring some sort of Vendetta, or what.

I have two morals of the story:
1. Internet drama CAN follow you to real life.
2. This one probably could have been prevented if the mod had been more proactive from stopping the guy in the first place.

I know more totalitarian rule goes against everything I am as a liberal, but my experiences have shown me that places like these benefit from keeping people in line. I've tried to avoid drama here, so I'm not sure who started what or anything, so that's just my two cents.

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I was typing that when you posted, Karasuman

This post has been edited by Gears on 19th January 2007 23:52

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It wasn't really that ill until the start of crack
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Hadn't realised The Ancient had gone! I thought you meant ~Gozaru at first. I'll predict that discussions will be a little less entertaining now. But at least it frees up more space for
others' views.

I'm not dissatisfied at all though. A PM with a problem is always answered and for that I can't complain.

It's good you're speaking your mind without worrying about the consequences though Hamedo. Not many would make this topic, that's a compliment!

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Hamedo, I have to say, and I don't mean to insult, but this is -exactly- the kind of thing that will get ye banned. "BRING DOWN THE SYSTEM!" though you're not exactly saying that had the same feel. That guy got banned very quickly.

No, that's actually very far from the truth. Discussion about forum events isn't going to get you banned. So here's my input: The Ancient acted like a smartass in the threads (per his norm) and was condescending to the newsposters. One of the newsposters makes the exact same sort of vague smartass remark, and The Ancient freaks out. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

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In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

More like mod baditude.

Moderator Edit

If you have a point instead of just a pun, please make it. Otherwise, you're not really contributing to whatever small semblance of a discussion has managed to eke itself out here.

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Did nobody get the reference? Oh well, typical.

This post has been edited by FallingHeart on 21st January 2007 07:20

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Hamedo...are you trying to wage war on the mods here? Or is this some kind of personal vendetta? 'Cause it looks like that to me.
The Ancient decided to leave after an argument with one (some?) of the mods and you speak of "his passing" as if the mods had killed him.
My opinion is that you're overreacting.

Also, you speak of internet drama. You speak of it in a manner that not only invites it. It displays internet drama on a goddamn huge neon sign. Ergo, you're contradicting yourself a bit.

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Well, I checked the post in question and I have to say The Ancient is being a jerk about the situation. He couldn't take a smartass joke and decided to leave. Weak.

This post has been edited by SilverMaduin on 20th January 2007 19:21

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What are you talking about Hamedo, CoNMoD rules, they are the absolute God's of moderating.

I've definitely seen worse on other forums. I've also seen better. No one is expecting perfection here.... but I would like to see some MODs check the attitude at the door and, y'know, moderate. Insulting and belittling and zinging people to get them back for personal affronts isn't moderating effectively, it's contributing to the problem that you are supposed to be preventing.

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Hamedo, I have to say, and I don't mean to insult, but this is -exactly- the kind of thing that will get ye banned.

Show me where the forum rules state this, please.

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I think it may be best to just leave the issue alone and hope the two people involved have the maturity to discuss the issue. If not, well, it's a shame someone'd leave over just a single person, but what can you do.

I thought you were talking about Lasz and TA, until I got to the last part of that paragraph. I have no plans on leaving CON, and no issue with any one MOD.

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The Ancient is not the first person to leave these forums out of a personal dispute with another member or Mod and probably won't be the last, but to imply that the disagreement that made The Ancient leave was the fault of a Moderator or that any such incident is their fault is ridiculous.

Laying all the blame at the MODs feet would indeed be silly, not to mention incorrect. TA, as well as everyone in here, is responsible for his own actions here. Can you honestly say though, after reading the smartassed comment that a MOD directed at him, that you wouldn't feel like maybe saying goodbye to this place as well? What's worse is that even after Josh came in and tried to "aw, shucks guys, i think it was just a joke and it wasn't really directed at you anyway, ect...", the MOD who made the comment came back to the thread and removed any doubt by basically saying "Yes, I made that smartassed comment towards a poster because he pissed me off in a different thread.". Again, a MOD ought to check the ego at the door, don't you think?

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*insert crazy internet horror story here*

That is insane, man. I hope the guy backs off.

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It's good you're speaking your mind without worrying about the consequences though Hamedo. Not many would make this topic, that's a compliment!

Thank you for the compliment. I tried to PM you my thanks rather than post it here, but apparently you blocked me from PM'ing you after a political debate that happened a long time ago. I jsut recently removed you from my ignore list, as well.

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One of the newsposters makes the exact same sort of vague smartass remark, and The Ancient freaks out. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

I have no idea if this was a building-up issue with TA or not, but my question to you is this: why should a MOD feel the need to "dish it out" in the first place? Are you not supposed to put on some semblance of diplomacy, since that is what you require of all of us? You are MODS. If someone steps out of line, you have tools at your disposal such as warnings, bans, moderated posts, ect. If you need to keep someone in line, why not take the high road and use one of those methods in a professional way, rather than playing tit-for-tat with a poster?

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More like mod baditude.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Are you implying that the MODs are bad, or that they are "bad" as in Michael Jackson bad?

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Hamedo...are you trying to wage war on the mods here? Or is this some kind of personal vendetta? 'Cause it looks like that to me.

Please. Reading comprehension. Use it, love it, live it.

My actions in this forum have exactly *jack* to do with influencing the MODs here, same as yours or any other posters. I have no illusions about bringing about some kind of revolution. Such ideas on a privately owned and operated website are stupid. All I wanted to accomplish with this thread was to let my thoughts and feelings be known, and give anyone else with a thought on the matter to post, whether they agree with me or not. There is no vendetta here, which you would see had you read my posts more carefully.

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Added response to SilverMaduin

This post has been edited by Hamedo on 20th January 2007 19:25

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Laying all the blame at the MODs feet would indeed be silly, not to mention incorrect. TA, as well as everyone in here, is responsible for his own actions here. Can you honestly say though, after reading the smartassed comment that a MOD directed at him, that you wouldn't feel like maybe saying goodbye to this place as well? What's worse is that even after Josh came in and tried to "aw, shucks guys, i think it was just a joke and it wasn't really directed at you anyway, ect...", the MOD who made the comment came back to the thread and removed any doubt by basically saying "Yes, I made that smartassed comment towards a poster because he pissed me off in a different thread.". Again, a MOD ought to check the ego at the door, don't you think?

Neal said it best, if you can't handle zings or smart ass comments, then don't throw them around yourself. The Ancient took the first shot on Laszlow who simply took one back. Honestly, I would have done the same thing and I think anyone else would've too. To answer your question: No, if I had a comment like that directed at me, I wouldn't at all feel the desire to leave, a comment is only a comment, you can't let that sort of thing get under your skin, especially not if you provoked it and took the first shot. This does go for Lasz too, however.

Now, for the most part I agree that a Mod shouldn't let their ego effect the job they do or get carried away it so that they can do their job properly, but again, they're still just like any other person on here and will slip up from time to time. At any rate, what's done is done.

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By and large, the attitudes of the MODS around here has sucked lately.

I, for one, see this as a personal attack. You're not trying to be offensive? Don't be.

Also, what you're saying, is that when a user insults a mod, they're supposed to sit back and relax and do nothing? Because I see you posting, after someone gets mod-edited or warned after doing something like The Ancient did, that the "MODs" are overusing their power over such a trifle matter. A remark like The Ancient made awaited a rebuttal. He couldn't take it. He admitted his own "loss" this way.

Mods are humans too, Hamedo.

This post has been edited by SilverMaduin on 20th January 2007 20:52

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"We have more, can deliver tuesday." - Del S

Good old CoN

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By and large, the attitudes of the MODS around here has sucked lately.

I, for one, see this as a personal attack. You're not trying to be offensive? Don't be.

Also, what you're saying, is that when a user insults a mod, they're supposed to sit back and relax and do nothing? Because I see you posting, after someone gets mod-edited or warned after doing something like The Ancient did, that the "MODs" are overusing their power over such a trifle matter. A remark like The Ancient made awaited a rebuttal. He couldn't take it. He admitted hi own "loss" this way.

Mods are humans too, Hamedo.

This is the only time I'm going to dedicate an entire post to you, SilverMaduin. Try to read and understand what I am writing, or stop posting.

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This isn't the first extremely rude thing you've said in this thread. I realize that you're upset, but try to get some perspective and realize that you're being a jerk in a thread about how you think other people are jerks. Cut out the personal attacks.

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^ Please.

I did not advocate MODs sitting back and just taking insults. I advocated that they use the appropriate tools, with the appropriate attitude, to curb the bad behaviour. I have never, ever stated that the MODs are "overusing their power".

This post has been edited by Hamedo on 22nd January 2007 13:04

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Laying all the blame at the MODs feet would indeed be silly, not to mention incorrect. TA, as well as everyone in here, is responsible for his own actions here. Can you honestly say though, after reading the smartassed comment that a MOD directed at him, that you wouldn't feel like maybe saying goodbye to this place as well?

Seriously, it's like a schoolyard incident. If you push somebody else down, you can't get upset if they get up and push you back and cry foul. You're talking in this quote as though he didn't say anything in the first place and the mods decided to be assholes for no reason. Mods are here to keep order, but we're also members of the site. I enjoy posting and contributing here just as much as any other member.

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What's worse is that even after Josh came in and tried to "aw, shucks guys, i think it was just a joke and it wasn't really directed at you anyway, ect...", the MOD who made the comment came back to the thread and removed any doubt by basically saying "Yes, I made that smartassed comment towards  a poster because he pissed me off in a different thread.".  Again, a MOD ought to check the ego at the door, don't you think?

You're completely ignoring how Lasz ended that with an explanation and an apology:

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Personally, I felt that those comments came across as demeaning. The first sentence of this newspost was just me returning your potshot. Sorry if I offended you.

What more do you want beyond an explanation and an apology?

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I have no idea if this was a building-up issue with TA or not, but my question to you is this:  why should a MOD feel the need to "dish it out" in the first place?  Are you not supposed to put on some semblance of diplomacy, since that is what you require of all of us?  You are MODS.  If someone steps out of line, you have tools at your disposal such as warnings, bans, moderated posts, ect.

Exactly, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. You don't know how much it has built up, you don't know of any PMs between The Ancient and staff members, you don't know what warning level he has, you don't know if he's on moderated posts, so you are certainly not the person to come here and be self-righteous on someone else's behalf.

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If you need to keep someone in line, why not take the high road and use one of those methods in a professional way, rather than playing tit-for-tat with a poster?

I already addressed that above. We are as much of members as you are.

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In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

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This is the only time I'm going to dedicate an entire post to you, SilverMaduin.

Ooh, I feel special

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I did not advocate MODs sitting back and just taking insults.  I advocated that they use the appropriate tools, with the appropriate attitude, to curb the bad behaviour.  I have never, ever stated that the MODs are "overusing their power".

Okay, once again, from the top.
Imagine the situation with TA is more-or-less the same up until the last, fateful post. Instead of a harsh rebuttal Lasz decides to act by using his mod-powers as you suggested he should. The Ancient sees this as a personal attack and leaves in pretty much the same fashion he did in reality.
Then you make a topic called "MOD Attitudes" about how overusing mod-powers drove poor, little TA to leave CoN.

That's what I meant and that's how I see it.
Next time:

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Try to read and understand what I am writing, or stop posting.

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"We have more, can deliver tuesday." - Del S

Good old CoN

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Seriously, it's like a schoolyard incident.

I agree. One that *might* have been avoided had a MOD not decided they had to get back at someone that they feel slighted them.

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Mods are here to keep order, but we're also members of the site. I enjoy posting and contributing here just as much as any other member.

And I personally like it when you all interact with the posters here, man. The posts from MODs can usually be counted on to be intelligent and relevant to the discussions they are participating in. I much prefer that to forums where the MOD is just an unknown that never posts unless it's to mete out some forum justice. And yes, you guys are just human. All I would like to see is a bit more.... restraint?... that's not the word I want to use, but another one doesn't come to mind.... when posting. You are being held to a higher standard in your posts, whether you like it or not, because you are the authority figures here. That's all I'm trying to get across.

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What more do you want beyond an explanation and an apology?

True, he did apologize... though it seemed contrite and insincere to me. Whether it was or not is irrelevant, though. To answer your question though, I don't "want" anything from him, the same as I don't "want" anything from the rest of the MODs. This whole thread is just my expression of what I have seen and my opinion on it. I'm not pushing for reform or demanding change, though it would certainly be nice if that happened.

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Exactly, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. You don't know how much it has built up, you don't know of any PMs between The Ancient and staff members, you don't know what warning level he has, you don't know if he's on moderated posts, so you are certainly not the person to come here and be self-righteous on someone else's behalf.

I don't get the self righteous label you slapped me with. Where am I coming off as holier-than-thou in here? I've been an ass myself in many posts in the past.

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Ooh, I feel special

Don't.

This post has been edited by Hamedo on 20th January 2007 21:08

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I am of the opinion we should all drop this before it turns in to something it more annoying than it already is. Hamedo, I'd rather not see you storm out of here like ancient, because I sort of feel like this is going to lead to that. You've made your point, and they've made theirs, neither of you are gonna budge, but they the law. You fought the law and the law won, mang.

I propose topic close on grounds of peace and general annoyance.

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It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
~Frank Zappa

Sins exist only for people who are on the Way or approaching the Way

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If you need to keep someone in line, why not take the high road and use one of those methods in a professional way, rather than playing tit-for-tat with a poster?

I already addressed that above. We are as much of members as you are.

There ya go. That sums up the entire argument better than any of this other nonsense ever could.

I'm gonna take this as what I think Hamedo was attempting to make this thread in the first place. An open discussion about conduct.

The mods should be held to a higher standard in my personal opinion. Any mod in any forum should. They usually aren't, so I'll take the conduct I can get over wishful thinking.

Do I think the mods here get out of line? Yep. I'm also aware it's rare, and to my knowledge, always justified. Fact is, their falls from grace are a drop in the bucket compared to the overall asshatery they go up against daily, so I'm more than willing to cut them some slack. Perfect example being your lil Ancient snafu, which clearly shows him throwing the first punch.

I don't think I'm in the minority when I blame the addition of FF7 to the list at the CoN for the problem. Not knocking the game or the decision to include it, but from my vantage point, the addition of it to our forums created an influx of...I don't really know a civilized term...'new' members that I think blindsided and overwhelmed the mods a bit and the sting of that has just been slow to go away. As has been said, they're only human. I didn't like it, but I accepted it and moved on. Besides, it's dying down anyway.

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Farts

Twarts

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I don't think I'm in the minority when I blame the addition of FF7 to the list at the CoN for the problem. Not knocking the game or the decision to include it, but from my vantage point, the addition of it to our forums created an influx of...I don't really know a civilized term...'new' members that I think blindsided and overwhelmed the mods a bit and the sting of that has just been slow to go away. As has been said, they're only human. I didn't like it, but I accepted it and moved on. Besides, it's dying down anyway.

I didn't know anyone thought that. Are you saying that more moderators are/were needed?

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

No, I don't think he's saying we need more mods, (I know I certainly am not,) but I think A LOT of people think that the FF7 section caused an influx of "new" people, as NP put it. At least a bunch of the people who had been here for awhile did, but I won't name names.

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If you've been mod-o-fied,
It's an illusion, and you're in-between.
Don't you be tarot-fied,
It's just alot of nothing, so what can it mean?
~Frank Zappa

Sins exist only for people who are on the Way or approaching the Way

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Hamedo, I'd rather not see you storm out of here like ancient, because I sort of feel like this is going to lead to that.

I'm not leaving, man. I like this forum quite a bit, along with most of the posters in here. This post isn't a "me against the MODs" type thread. It's not a "me against anyone" thread.

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The mods should be held to a higher standard in my personal opinion. Any mod in any forum should. They usually aren't, so I'll take the conduct I can get over wishful thinking.

That is basically the truth. I've seen sterling MODs in action before, and I've seen some that were complete assclowns. With those two extremes being 1 and 10 on a scale, these MODS definitely fall on the plus side of the 5 mark.

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I didn't know anyone thought that. Are you saying that more moderators are/were needed?

I don't know that more MODs are necessarily needed, but I think the general thought behind FF7 fanboys is shared by many of the veteran posters here.





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Join the Army, see the world, meet interesting people - and kill them.

~Pacifist Badge, 1978

I can't believe this thread even exists.

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I find your lack of faith disturbing...

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I don't get the self righteous label you slapped me with. Where am I coming off as holier-than-thou in here? I've been an ass myself in many posts in the past.

My bad. But simply "righteous" sounds fair, yes?

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Hey, put the cellphone down for a while
In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

Hmmm...from what I've seen I really don't see why The Ancient would get so upset about that. I mean, I'm not an everyday poster anymore, but I've seen far worse here many a time, in exchanges both from Mods and other Members. I'm assuming there must have been some additional exchages in chat or other threads besides a simple news post, 2 aggressive shots, and an up and leave because someone responded in kind...but then I don't know how all people tick.


IMO, this incident in particular seems pretty overblown. Though I have sensed in the past (it actually seems to have tailed off lately) some condescension and have been a bit of a stunned target before. It's a topic worth discussing I guess, but more in fleeting moments than in an entire thread that seems to hurt more than help, putting all sides on the defensive.

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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

I read this thread for the first time today and did so with interest. I for for one commend the mods on the job they do here. Remeber people, they don't get paid to put up with our bullsh!t, they do this because they want to. Yes I do agree with you Hamedo that the mods can be a bit nazi-ish at times, but they have that right if they feel they need to be. I can say I've been subject to it a time or two but I think that it could have been worse (warned or even banned, thank you mods for not ). It is a shame that TA left but as Neal said

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If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

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A hero is somone who steps up when everyone else backs down.

Your greatest adversary hides inside your mirror.