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INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana (AP) -- Drivers swerved cars and trucks into other lanes to avoid a 3-year-old boy, wearing only a diaper and T-shirt, who was playing along a busy highway after wandering away from home while his mother slept, police said.

Some motorists stopped along Interstate 465 on the city's west side Saturday to take care of the boy until officers arrived, the Indiana State Police said.

"I looked up and I seen this little ... boy running down the middle of the slow lane in the interstate. I just could not believe what I was seeing," said Troy Crady, one of those who stopped to help.

The boy, Damon Dyer, was unscathed as at least a half-dozen cars and a tractor-trailer rig swerved into other lanes to avoid him. Temperatures were in the mid 50s as the boy ran around barefooted.

Police said they traced the toddler to an apartment at a nearby complex, where they found his mother, Nancy Dyer asleep in a filthy apartment and his 2-year-old sister eating spaghetti off the floor.

Dyer, 33, was arrested on two counts of child neglect and remained in custody Sunday, officials said.

Senior State Trooper Cedric Merritt said that when Dyer was told of her son's activities, she responded: "Oh, he got out again."

Investigators said the boy got out his second-story apartment, went down stairs and got around a fence to reach the highway about 200 yards away.

Child Protective Services took the boy and his sister into custody, and investigators said the agency also had been called to the apartment Thursday because the boy was outside unsupervised.
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Some people in this world scare me so much. I seriously think they should consider bringing in some kind of law to say you can only have children if you pass a competency test. But then it would be impossible to police anyway I guess. What a shame.


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I know several couples that can't have kids. I hate hearing stories like this where people that have been blessed with them treat them so poorly.

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Sometimes the government goes overboard in taking children into protective custody, but there's no excuse for a 3-year old being on a highway. Shiver....

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My faith in Social Services has officially been restored. This is a woman who should never have had kids. I wonder, did she choose to have them, and if so, why? To neglect them this way?

And what about the father, or is he yet another lazy, absent jerk who makes us males look like a bunch of crack-heads?

I just hope the kids are alright. Heaven knows what damage they've endured.

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I don't agree that the right to have children should become a privilege, but, yes, bad parenting like this makes that option tempting.

The part they don't tell you is that those kids are probably no better off in CPS. CPS seems to be underfunded, understaffed, and underregulated nationwide. Instead of removing children from a parent and shuffling them off into the system, it would be great if we created a program to teach parenting skills so that families could remain intact in the long run. Of course, the future monitoring of these parents to protect the safety of the children is already supposed to be in place, and it just doesn't happen. Really, we as a society need to decide what really matters, and it it's children, that's where our tax dollars need to start going.

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This kid was still hella lucky. I mean: all those cars AVOIDED him. And the drivers took some care of him until authorities came.

I hope the he and his sister end up good.

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465 is a DANGEROUS highway. That kid is really lucky. If it had been at a different time, in the night or something, there are people that think it's fun to go well over 100mph there.

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That kid is really lucky. If that highway was I-95, which is about 1/4 of a mile from my house, he would have almost certainly got hit, or a car would have crashed trying to avoid him. It sucks that he and his sister are in CPS, but I'm sure it'll probably be better than his alternative.

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This'll be all over the 6 o'clock news. It's scary that anyone could be like that to any kid.

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Geez. It sounds like the woman was mentally unstable, especially with her reaction. The poor kids.

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465 is a DANGEROUS highway. That kid is really lucky.

That's exactly what i thought after reading the post.

Imagine if somebody had been distracted for a second; by a cell phone, bickering children, or food being served.

that kid should be renamed Lucky.

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That is the most horrible thing I have ever heard. That mother should be shot. First of all I think that its an atrocity that decent hard working people cannot have kids, and that people like that flea infested drug addict, treats her kids the way she did. Hopefully those kids get put into some sort of adoption program and find better parents. I'm glad that the boy is alright.

Such a shame to see how many people on this earth turn out to be such a waste of skin.

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That's seriously horrible. Not just for the child himself, but imagine living for the rest of your life knowing you'd run over a 3-year old.

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Quote (CA405 @ 11th January 2007 18:15)

That is the most horrible thing I have ever heard.  That mother should be shot.  First of all I think that its an atrocity that decent hard working people cannot have kids, and that people like that flea infested drug addict, treats her kids the way she did.  Hopefully those kids get put into some sort of adoption program and find better parents.  I'm glad that the boy is alright.

Such a shame to see how many people on this earth turn out to be such a waste of skin.

It's really easy to condemn the woman and accuse her of being a drug addict and spouting things like that she should be shot, but do you actually know her that intimately? Do you know their situation so well that you can make that claim or are you just generalizing because after all, only drug addict slobs raise their children under poor conditions and neglect them.

It's a shame for the children who have to be exposed to that sort of environment, it's not much better that they're being shipped off into CPS. This kid is lucky he wasn't hit, dragged under a car or truck and killed, I hope despite the rough time he and his sister have had that they grow up with a good head on their shoulders.

That being said, there are a lot of instances where this happens and as much as we want to feel like the Mother is a bad person, we don't know exactly the cause. Not to say it's an excuse and that she should be forgiven, but before she is condemned by the public and punished for being an unfit mother, it might help to look into it. Not everyone is fortunate enough to the choice to raise their children properly.

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That is the most horrible thing I have ever heard.  That mother should be shot.  First of all I think that its an atrocity that decent hard working people cannot have kids, and that people like that flea infested drug addict, treats her kids the way she did.  Hopefully those kids get put into some sort of adoption program and find better parents.  I'm glad that the boy is alright.

Such a shame to see how many people on this earth turn out to be such a waste of skin.

It's really easy to condemn the woman and accuse her of being a drug addict and spouting things like that she should be shot, but do you actually know her that intimately? Do you know their situation so well that you can make that claim or are you just generalizing because after all, only drug addict slobs raise their children under poor conditions and neglect them.

It's a shame for the children who have to be exposed to that sort of environment, it's not much better that they're being shipped off into CPS. This kid is lucky he wasn't hit, dragged under a car or truck and killed, I hope despite the rough time he and his sister have had that they grow up with a good head on their shoulders.

That being said, there are a lot of instances where this happens and as much as we want to feel like the Mother is a bad person, we don't know exactly the cause. Not to say it's an excuse and that she should be forgiven, but before she is condemned by the public and punished for being an unfit mother, it might help to look into it. Not everyone is fortunate enough to the choice to raise their children properly.

That's true, it certainly is a possibility. It's very easy to jump to conclusions in this scenario, but she could in fact be a manic depressive or as Elena99 said, she could be mentally unstable. But you would hope people would be keeping an eye on her if this is the case, especially if she has children.

And there are plenty of other possibilities, but as cynical as it may seem, I'd be suspicous of drugs being invovled too.

Either way, I hope the children are brought up properly and have someone to care for them, as that's the most important thing now.

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Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 11th January 2007 23:39)

[QUOTE=CA405,11th January 2007 18:15] That is the most horrible thing I have ever heard.  That mother should be shot.  First of all I think that its an atrocity that decent hard working people cannot have kids, and that people like that flea infested drug addict, treats her kids the way she did.  Hopefully those kids get put into some sort of adoption program and find better parents.  I'm glad that the boy is alright

whatever the mother is like, one thing for sure is she is not capable of
keeping her kids safe, "oh, he got out again"


doesn't sound like she cared much
if it already happened before and she didn't lock the doors


she is beyond stupid

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It's really easy to condemn the woman

Yes... yes it most certainly is.

And while we don't in fact "know her intimately", I feel almost certain that the results of the legal inquiry will justify the sentiments you've read in here.

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It doesn't actually say that the woman was on drugs. Snap judgements are not cool. =/ Though I must say that her apathy toward her three year old son's excursion into a highway was more than a little alarming. I hope they get her some help as well as her children.

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I'm gonna have to go ahead and blame video games for this one.

I almost didn't because mass murder wasn't involved.

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Dios mio! Just raiding that article raised my heart rate.
It's funny, but just this evening I was telling my mom that it would be a good idea to make every adult who wants to have children earn a "parenting license". Such a license would require taking parenting classes, anger and stress management, and, I don't know, recommendation letters to prove that the person has a good character.

Yes, I know that's a radical idea. And the human rights people would be all-up-ons in opposition to it. But if such regulations were in place, it might well improve the quality of life of children in future generations. Or at least, little Lucky would not have had to have endured what he just did. That poor kid.

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Dios mio! Just raiding that article raised my heart rate.
It's funny, but just this evening I was telling my mom that it would be a good idea to make every adult who wants to have children earn a "parenting license". Such a license would require taking parenting classes, anger and stress management, and, I don't know, recommendation letters to prove that the person has a good character.

Yes, I know that's a radical idea. And the human rights people would be all-up-ons in opposition to it. But if such regulations were in place, it might well improve the quality of life of children in future generations. Or at least, little Lucky would not have had to have endured what he just did. That poor kid.

And one of the ways in which it might improve the quality of life for future children would be to ensure that their parents were privileged enough to be able to waste time meeting the requirements. No, seriously--having enough money to raise children and making that money at the kind of job that let them take off whenever they felt like attending random feel-good therapy classes are two completely different things.

Besides, anyone who has ever attended college could tell you that having recommendation letters and passing classes don't qualify you for anything but being able to obtain recommendation letters and being able to pass classes.

And there's a good reason--several good reasons!--why the "human rights people" (are you not one of them?) would oppose this half-baked idea. For one thing, what are you going to do to enforce it? Mandatory abortions for women who get pregnant without meeting the requirements? Ripping their newborns away and putting them up for adoption? Just punishing them? Well, why punish just the women--doesn't the father share the blame? But how are you planning on identifying him? And what if it wasn't a willful transgression? Birth control isn't 100% reliable! The best forms of it are only around 95% effective! That means that out of a million women who are having sex often enough to become pregnant, 5% of them--50,000--are going to be pregnant even though they were being careful. So are you not allowed to have sex until you've been approved as a parent?

If you're going to bring the government and it's inefficient, money-guzzling bureaucracy into the most personal aspects of people's private lives, why not do it in a way that makes sense? Instead of clearing future parents for the privilege of having children, help parents deal with children! Make daycare available! Offer parenting classes at no charge to people who need them, and offer them at times when people could actually attend without missing work! Make birth control more widely available and convenient so that unwanted children are less common. Make free and meaningful drug addiction rehabilitation available.

What you suggested is illogical and inhumane.

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Dios mio! Just raiding that article raised my heart rate.
It's funny, but just this evening I was telling my mom that it would be a good idea to make every adult who wants to have children earn a "parenting license". Such a license would require taking parenting classes, anger and stress management, and, I don't know, recommendation letters to prove that the person has a good character.

Yes, I know that's a radical idea. And the human rights people would be all-up-ons in opposition to it. But if such regulations were in place, it might well improve the quality of life of children in future generations. Or at least, little Lucky would not have had to have endured what he just did. That poor kid.

Over here in Britain, we're actually at a small crisis with pensions. There might not be enough taxes from workers to pay for the increasing number of retired pensioners. If there was a regulation like what you suggest then I'd bet it would exacerbate this problem. And, of course, what kara says. But there's no need to repeat that.

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Make birth control more widely available and convenient so that unwanted children are less common. Make free and meaningful drug addiction rehabilitation available.

Certain religious groups would go [expletive deleted] crazy over that.

I think neglect is a big problem, but like kara said, I don't think we need parenting classes for it. What we need is for peoples' neighbors to step up and say something if they notice something going on.

If you're not part of the solution, etc etc.

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This was completely pointless and off-topic. Don't derail a serious discussion just to make a lame wisecrack.

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Make birth control more widely available and convenient so that unwanted children are less common.  Make free and meaningful drug addiction rehabilitation available.

Certain religious groups would go [expletive deleted] crazy over that.

I think neglect is a big problem, but like kara said, I don't think we need parenting classes for it. What we need is for peoples' neighbors to step up and say something if they notice something going on.

If you're not part of the solution, etc etc.

The certain religous groups you speak of can go as crazy as they like, it sounds like they will find something to go mad about anyway.

But I'd have to agree, birth control that is easier to get, especially for much younger people, is something that is greatly needed to reduce the amount of ridiculous amount of teenage, or simply unwanted pregnacies we are getting these days.

That shouldn't be too difficult for the govenrments of the world to achieve.

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But I'd have to agree, birth control that is easier to get, especially for much younger people, is something that is greatly needed to reduce the amount of ridiculous amount of teenage, or simply unwanted pregnacies we are getting these days.

That shouldn't be too difficult for the govenrments of the world to achieve.

It is true that contraception would help, but yet again religion gets in the way. The Catholic church, and a few others, for reasons beyond sense, forbids the use of birth control, and since so many people blidly follow what the Church orders them to, of course we have so many teenage/unwanted pregnancies.

The government can try as much as they like; until the major religions change their ways, no government initiative will be fully successful.

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But I'd have to agree, birth control that is easier to get, especially for much younger people, is something that is greatly needed to reduce the amount of ridiculous amount of teenage, or simply unwanted pregnacies we are getting these days.

That shouldn't be too difficult for the govenrments of the world to achieve.

It is true that contraception would help, but yet again religion gets in the way. The Catholic church, and a few others, for reasons beyond sense, forbids the use of birth control, and since so many people blidly follow what the Church orders them to, of course we have so many teenage/unwanted pregnancies.

The government can try as much as they like; until the major religions change their ways, no government initiative will be fully successful.

I didn't actually want to mention the Catholics for fear of offending anyone; that is who I was talking about, however. They do have a reason, something along the lines of "God chooses, and if he says that a woman should be pregnant, then by Jesus she's gonna have a baby."

Forgive me if that offended anyone.

But the true devout Catholics really believe that. Just like they believe Pokemon and Sailor Moon are the devil, but that's a whole other topic (check it out in general gaming chat, it's going on as we speak).

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But I'd have to agree, birth control that is easier to get, especially for much younger people, is something that is greatly needed to reduce the amount of ridiculous amount of teenage, or simply unwanted pregnacies we are getting these days.

That shouldn't be too difficult for the govenrments of the world to achieve.

It is true that contraception would help, but yet again religion gets in the way. The Catholic church, and a few others, for reasons beyond sense, forbids the use of birth control, and since so many people blidly follow what the Church orders them to, of course we have so many teenage/unwanted pregnancies.

The government can try as much as they like; until the major religions change their ways, no government initiative will be fully successful.

I didn't actually want to mention the Catholics for fear of offending anyone; that is who I was talking about, however. They do have a reason, something along the lines of "God chooses, and if he says that a woman should be pregnant, then by Jesus she's gonna have a baby."

Forgive me if that offended anyone.

But the true devout Catholics really believe that. Just like they believe Pokemon and Sailor Moon are the devil, but that's a whole other topic (check it out in general gaming chat, it's going on as we speak).

Okay, Jewboy, time for a lesson in the various sects of Christianity.

Catholics believe that birth control is wrong because they believe that life begins at the fertilization of the egg. Birth control doesn't prevent this; it only prevents implantation. To the Catholics, birth control is just like an abortion--it's a way of evicting that precious little baby from its <s>incubator</s> mother's body before it can survive outside, and so it's murder.

(Before this, birth control was wrong because it led to non-procreative sex, which was inherently immoral.)

Most of the people who talk about birth control interfering with God's plan by preventing him from giving women lots of babies to squirt out are fundamentalist Christians, not Catholics. They're distinctly Protestant, and usually "born-again" in nature.

Also, Catholics aren't the ones making the loud outcry against Pokemon, Sailor Moon, D&D, Harry Potter, etc. Again, that's the fundies.

Besides, I don't think the government has anything to do with listening to groups like the Catholics. It wouldn't matter if the leaders of religious dominations up and converted to the pro-choice lobby, because most of the people that the government has to keep happy to keep the bucks rolling in, the religious right, are not affiliated with any of the traditional religious structures. The Pope could go out one day and have an abortion (yes, I realize how wrong that is on every level), and these people would barely be fazed. It would be just another example of how the leadership is selling out to secular interests.

The real reason why our government has to be anti-choice is that this is one of the issues that the Republicrats have agreed to disagree on for the sake of polarizing the vote over something that really shouldn't even be up for discussion. Neither side can afford to do anything final, because people would stop caring. If birth control were freely available, it wouldn't be an election issue anymore.

And all of this aside, the logic that teenagers are going out and getting knocked up because the Pope won't let them use birth control is ludicrous. What do you think His Holiness has to say about extramarital sex?

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Weeeeellll. Alright. Enlightening (no pun intended) as that was, I disagree. I think the religious groups do have a large effect on the government.

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Most of the people who talk about birth control interfering with God's plan by preventing him from giving women lots of babies to squirt out are fundamentalist Christians, not Catholics. They're distinctly Protestant, and usually "born-again" in nature.

Every president, save JFK, has been Protestant. It's the same reason that women weren't given equal rights until the 1920s; doesn't the Bible cast women as sinners? If I'm wrong, tell me, but it's what I've gathered from my various readings (read: Dan Brown). I don't mean to sound ignorant, but if I am, tell me. It would be the reason I got the Protestants and Catholics mixed up, anyhow.

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The Pope could go out one day and have an abortion (yes, I realize how wrong that is on every level), and these people would barely be fazed.

You're right. That is wrong. In so many ways. I'm going to have nightmares now.

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Weeeeellll. Alright. Enlightening (no pun intended) as that was, I disagree. I think the religious groups do have a large effect on the government.

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Most of the people who talk about birth control interfering with God's plan by preventing him from giving women lots of babies to squirt out are fundamentalist Christians, not Catholics. They're distinctly Protestant, and usually "born-again" in nature.

Every president, save JFK, has been Protestant. It's the same reason that women weren't given equal rights until the 1920s; doesn't the Bible cast women as sinners? If I'm wrong, tell me, but it's what I've gathered from my various readings (read: Dan Brown). I don't mean to sound ignorant, but if I am, tell me. It would be the reason I got the Protestants and Catholics mixed up, anyhow.

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The Pope could go out one day and have an abortion (yes, I realize how wrong that is on every level), and these people would barely be fazed.

You're right. That is wrong. In so many ways. I'm going to have nightmares now.

You should be thrown into the fires of hell yourself for referencing Dan Brown as a credible source for your religious information. The man is a hack in every sense of the word.

Last I checked, Government and Religion are seperate organizations in the U.S, like they are here in Canada. Now, if the majority of the people in a country fall into a particular category, that will probably effect public opinion of an issue and by extent, the Government's standpoint but again, to a very small degree as the Government in any instance, in any Country, will always do what is more beneficial for themselves and the respective party in control.

Again, the last time I checked, women gaining rights wasn't a religious statement but rather an age old bias that managed to stick around. Women are credited with original sin, but that's not a strictly Catholic theme. In fact, you're of Jewish-faith yourself, you should know that your ancestors were just as prone to the same beliefs. The fundamentalists who are anti-choice and accuse Pikachu of being the Devil's personal pet are hardly as common as you're led to believe, the Catholic church is not a big evil group of Cardinals, led by the Pope in some conspiracy to revert people's opinions to that of the dark ages, it's not the Pope who says "Hey guys, let's go door to door and force people to accept Jesus, burning down the house of anyone who refuses." Get your head out of The Da Vinci Code, it's trash.

The Government probably wouldn't step in like Kara suggested mainly due to self-interest and little to nothing to do with religion, in fact when was the last time you heard an issue being swayed by either political party on a religious level? If they play to those ideals, it's entirely out of self-interest to sway the voters in their direction. It's a valuable political tool and one they probably will milk for all it's worth as long as possible.

I don't know about the options in the U.S. as much as in Canada, but we're fairly pro-choice here, birth-control is easily obtainable at any Pharmacy or Drug Store and it's in-expensive. Thanks to our Medicare system, you can walk into any Clinic (CLSC) here in Quebec and receive birth control pills and other contraceptives and whatever information you might need, and so long as you're over 16, abortions are offered at your own discretion, privately. This goes a long way in helping, but unfortunately, you have to make an effort to get these services, and not everyone can be bothered, so situations like these will still happen from time to time.

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