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Quote (Tidu-who @ 1st January 2007 04:35)

For me, it's not the drinking that's fun. It's the games, the excitement and the like that goes with it especially in competitive games like Flippy Cup or Beer Pong.

One of the hardest parts of not drinking is not being able to play drinking games...

I fall into the camp of people who don't drink, despite being of legal age. I choose not to mainly because alchoholism runs in my family, so I figured the best way not to become addicted is never to start. I placated my peer-pressuring friends by agreeing that in the event the Cubs ever win the World Series or the Bears win the Super Bowl, I would drink with them (so...it looks like it isn't happening anytime soon.) But I try to hang out mainly with people who understand that, rather than the ones who can't wrap their minds around how you can have fun without alchohol.

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I have my fair share of alcohol every now and then. I used to drink like fish, but I hated the mornin' hangovers, black-outs, and sans-women so I slowed down a little. I only drink when I go to the neighborhood bar (about once every few weeks) and I have hard liquor every now and then in-between beers, yet I don't get mornin' hangovers anymore (thank GOD). But, I also heartily agree with a lot of people who said you don't need to drink to have a good time, 'cuz you DON'T. Water and sodapop are MUCH cheaper and you save yourself any humiliatin' 'drunk spells'.

If you don't drink, why start? If you do drink and have no intention of quitting, why start? You could have a ton of fun drunk as hell or perfectly sober!

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Having never really drunken anything, I don't see the big deal about drinking alot at once (as in, I don't see why I would want to) it seems to just bring more problems the day after. Plus, I don't care for many conventional drinks (Read: beer) I might see myself drinking something becasue it tastes good, but not to loosen up. Of course, this could change next year when I'm off to college.

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Quote (?????_UknownTrainGhost @ 31st December 2006 22:14)

thats my point. I mean who wants to act retarded anyway? Like people always say "its fun getting drunk". HAH! not really, like i was drunk once and i tried fighting my friends. It was messed.

Sounds like a high alcohol intake isn't for you personally then. That's the one thing no one has touched on yet -- alcohol affects everyone differently. When drunk, I get really talkative and silly, my girlfriend gets sleepy and depressed, and it sounds like you tend to get belligerent. I like it for me, but I wouldn't recommend it for her or for you. It's all about knowing yourself.

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Ain't nothing worse than an angry drunk.

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Just like people don't have sex solely to procreate, drinking doesn't have to be solely to get drunk.

Drinking a decently-crafted cocktail can serve many purposes. Primarily, it's a delight to the tastebuds (particularly to the more experienced tastebuds) and it puts you in a relaxed state. In fact, getting drunk is just a novel thing that wears off after you're out of college and stop going to these beer-o-thons.

In the past 4-5 months, I can count the number of times I've been drunk on one hand. But I drink nearly every weekend, testing cocktails, coming up with new ideas, and sampling new alchols and liquors I get ahold of. When I invite people over for a game of poker, everyone drinks. Drunk? Not a single person - playing poker while drunk is a sure-fire way to lose your money.

Alcohol is a very important mood-setter in parties and the likes. It isn't essential in the same sense that, say, music and animation aren't essential to a party. Abuse is a different matter entirely, and while watching the drunk guy trying to wear an hors d'oeuvre as a hat is hillarious, a party is much more enjoyable when people are in the lightly relaxed but well-alert state a few cocktails can provide.

It's easy to confuse alcohol use with abuse. Bolded for emphasis. Someone who abuses alcohol at every party may have problems they're not aware of (been there, done that.) But, assuming you're of drinking age, a drink or two isn't going to kill you and, depending on the mood, may make the party more fun. Alcohol abuse, as seems to be the main thing people are posting about, is leagues different from alcohol use.

(Edit: Mind you, I'm not trying to encourage alcohol use. Drink if you want. But don't draw away from something just because some people don't know how to use it. )

This post has been edited by Silverlance on 3rd January 2007 18:04

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Quote (Hamedo @ 3rd January 2007 07:59)

Ain't nothing worse than an angry drunk.

How about a woman scorned? Or an angry drunk woman scorned?

And just to reiterate my points from earlier to make this a non-garbage post, anyone that pressures you to drink can go to hell. Always go home without someone inebriated behind the wheel. Don't be a dick about drinking or about not drinking. That's all.

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you shouldnt drink...and your right about what you said about if you need to drink to have a good time your just being a sheep...im 100% sXe, but i have been pressured a few times...most of the time women also think that a strong willed person is hot and other people will respect you and your choice...and while everyone is drunk, sleepin with each other, and being retards, you will relize that these ppl arent that cool...there also deadly thing involved loke DUI, and the fact that when your drunk youll barly have control over your self...

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Drinking is fine in moderation. The whole point is to do it responsibly.

I've been buying kahlua with the help of my husband (then boyfriend) since I was 19. A glass of kahlua and milk is still one of my favourite drinks. Does it get me drunk? Of course not. For the effect it has one me, it might as well be flavored syrup, and that's essentially why I buy it.

That's the real reason I drink: the liquor I buy tastes good. It's like dessert. That glass of strawberry zinfandel or the margarita I order at the Mexican place don't even get me drunk; they certainly don't make me a bad person.

Now, you're not 21. Is drinking with your friends a smart move? Probably not, if they're like most of the people I know, because their behavior is generally irresponsible even without the booze. Having kahlua in the privacy of your home and drunkenly singing "Jeremiah Was a Bullfrog" at two in the morning are two completely different scenarios, and only one of them is likely to cause you trouble. You're not really talking about simply consuming alcohol; you're talking about doing it in an irresponsible, and, frankly, obnoxious way.

But if you don't want to drink or don't like alcohol, for God's sake, don't do it. Liquor is expensive! Drinking because your friends bug you would be like ordering prime rib at a restaurant even though you're a vegetarian: there's nothing wrong with prime rib, but, if you don't want it, you're an idiot for ordering it.

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Quote (Cow_Of_The_Opera @ 3rd January 2007 17:34)

you shouldnt drink...and your right about what you said about if you need to drink to have a good time your just being a sheep...im 100% sXe, but i have been pressured a few times...most of the time women also think that a strong willed person is hot and other people will respect you and your choice...and while everyone is drunk, sleepin with each other, and being retards, you will relize that these ppl arent that cool...there also deadly thing involved loke DUI, and the fact that when your drunk youll barly have control over your self...

Careful how you word things. Relating drinking to someone who is mentally handicapped doesn't help your argument at all. The concept that you barely have any control over yourself is totally false. Your motor skills might be impaired and your inhibitions might be lowered or altogether removed, but you still make a conscious choice to do the stupid things that come to mind. I know plenty of people who drink heavily and, though totally drunk, rarely do something stupid apart from randomly bursting into song, which is certainly harmless.

If someone is stupid enough to drink and drive, it has nothing to do with the alcohol and rather the person's own natural idiocy. They aren't forced by the alcohol to put their life and the lives of anyone on the road in danger, they choose to do it, either because they don't understand the seriousness of the situation or because they don't care enough. Just like you don't blame a murder on the weapon, but rather on the killer, you don't blame a drink for a drunk driver's choice.

Also, how old are you? I'm curious, as you claim "straight edge".

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Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 3rd January 2007 23:10)

Quote (Cow_Of_The_Opera @ 3rd January 2007 17:34)

you shouldnt drink...and your right about what you said about if you need to drink to have a good time your just being a sheep...im 100%  sXe, but i have been pressured a few times...most of the time women also think that a strong willed person is hot and other people will respect you and your choice...and while everyone is drunk, sleepin with each other, and being retards, you will relize that these ppl arent that cool...there also deadly thing involved loke DUI, and the fact that when your drunk youll barly have control over your self...

Careful how you word things. Relating drinking to someone who is mentally handicapped doesn't help your argument at all. The concept that you barely have any control over yourself is totally false. Your motor skills might be impaired and your inhibitions might be lowered or altogether removed, but you still make a conscious choice to do the stupid things that come to mind. I know plenty of people who drink heavily and, though totally drunk, rarely do something stupid apart from randomly bursting into song, which is certainly harmless.

If someone is stupid enough to drink and drive, it has nothing to do with the alcohol and rather the person's own natural idiocy. They aren't forced by the alcohol to put their life and the lives of anyone on the road in danger, they choose to do it, either because they don't understand the seriousness of the situation or because they don't care enough. Just like you don't blame a murder on the weapon, but rather on the killer, you don't blame a drink for a drunk driver's choice.

Also, how old are you? I'm curious, as you claim "straight edge".

well i wasnt trying to make it sound like drinking is the worst thing and the world...but i still dont like it...i wasnt relatin it menally hadicapped ppl either...i shouldnt have said that ppl cant control them selfs...they just do really stupid things...the reason i dont like drinking may be because one of my friends died drunk and i dont want that reapeted and no i wasnt DUI...he pretty much commited suicide while drunk ...im 21...yes im sXe...i dont drink alcohol or caffine, do drugs, smoke, ect...and i am planning on my wedding day (which is a LONG time away) im not even goning to serve wine, just sparkiling red grape juice...

This post has been edited by Cow_Of_The_Opera on 4th January 2007 00:41

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There's a difference between being irresponsible and killing yourself, and drinking. If somebody is suicidal, death sort of comes with the territory, drunk or no. If you want my honest opinion, I find straight edge people somewhat closed minded. Anybody willing to ostracize somebody else for something as trivial as substance use rubs me the wrong way.

Also, anybody who wants to tell me what I "should" do, had better be a doctor, and I had better have asked them, because I don't approve of my social activities being subject to other people's judgment; especially the judgment of somebody who isn't in favor of my actions on principle.

I still fail to see how alcohol is a problem, any more than marijuana. If used in your free time, I don't see why it's anybodies business or problem, so long as you aren't endangering anybody by getting behind the wheel of an automobile, or operating machinery, or trying to do a job. Also, if you choose NOT to do afore mentioned things, that's fine too, but really, it's somewhat presumptuous to tell others what they 'ought to do.

I'll tell anybody who tells me what I should and shouldn't do exactly what I told those Truth.com people: Mind your own business, and let me make my own choices.

This post has been edited by MogMaster on 4th January 2007 02:32

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Quote (MogMaster @ 4th January 2007 02:29)

There's a difference between being irresponsible and killing yourself, and drinking. If somebody is suicidal, death sort of comes with the territory, drunk or no. If you want my honest opinion, I find straight edge people somewhat closed minded. Anybody willing to ostracize somebody else for something as trivial as substance use rubs me the wrong way.

Also, anybody who wants to tell me what I "should" do, had better be a doctor, and I had better have asked them, because I don't approve of my social activities being subject to other people's judgment; especially the judgment of somebody who isn't in favor of my actions on principle.

I still fail to see how alcohol is a problem, any more than marijuana. If used in your free time, I don't see why it's anybodies business or problem, so long as you aren't endangering anybody by getting behind the wheel of an automobile, or operating machinery, or trying to do a job. Also, if you choose NOT to do afore mentioned things, that's fine too, but really, it's somewhat presumptuous to tell others what they 'ought to do.

I'll tell anybody who tells me what I should and shouldn't do exactly what I told those Truth.com people: Mind your own business, and let me make my own choices.

im not closed minded at all...i chose to live a straight edge life and i have many friend that are adicts and drinkers...and oou are starting to offend me...and you said about if used in your spare time and you dont operate machinery it doesnt hurt anyone, thats not true you hurt yourself drinking causes liver problems...but im not tellin anyone waht to do, im just throwing in my opinion...

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And I'm telling you that YOU'RE starting to offend me. Self destruction is arguably as large a part of human nature, and is definitely a large part of the human nature, and has always been, due in part to societies influence. MY point, is that straightedge people like to complain about drugs, and they don't have the experience of having DONE them, therefore making their opinions somewhat uneducated. It's different than listening to somebody in AA, or NA.

It's also my contention, that telling others about the dangers of drug and alcohol abuse in this day and age is redundant, and between the media today, and the anti-drug programs in schools, I can't help but think that one more person telling me what's "good for me" is somewhat superfluous.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with you stating your opinion, and I'm one hundred and ten percent in favor of you doing so. I am NOT however ok with being told "what's good for me" and what I "should" do. That's all. If I recall you have done both so far.

I'm willing to drop the whole thing though so we don't clutter up Mr. Alvies' fine message board. If you need to tell me something else, bring it to PM.

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Quote (Cow_Of_The_Opera @ 3rd January 2007 22:48)

im not closed minded at all...i chose to live a straight edge life and i have many friend that are adicts and drinkers...and oou are starting to offend me...and you said about if used in your spare time and you dont operate machinery it doesnt hurt anyone, thats not true you hurt yourself drinking causes liver problems...but im not tellin anyone waht to do, im just throwing in my opinion...

Drinking in large amounts consistently will cause liver damage. Drinking sparingly and in moderation is just as likely to give you liver complications as you getting struck by lightning or getting cancer from the sun. You're doing more damage breathing in, oh let's say, city air on a regular basis to yourself than you are having a drink from time to time. You know, you're doing yourself harm right now as staring at this screen can potentially damage your eyes. Obviously there are risks involved, but the chances are considerably low thanks to the magic of knowing your limits.

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Quote (Cow_Of_The_Opera @ 4th January 2007 03:48)

im not closed minded at all...i chose to live a straight edge life and i have many friend that are adicts and drinkers...and oou are starting to offend me...and you said about if used in your spare time and you dont operate machinery it doesnt hurt anyone, thats not true you hurt yourself drinking causes liver problems...but im not tellin anyone waht to do, im just throwing in my opinion...

Well, to respond to this I'll quote my brother:

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You're free to drink what you like, as long as you know what it brings with itself. I am absolutely concious of the fact, that drinking damages my liver and denaturates brain cells. If you know that, you can go ahead and drink.

The point is: yes, we know what drinking does to the organism. You don't have to lecture us. Drinking is a concius choice we who drink make.

One of by best friends is pretty close to being straight edge - he doesn't drink, smoke etc...HOWEVER, at the New Year's Eve party he drank his share of Champagne. He drank his glass of mead when we were celebrating our friends' engagement. He tried Jack Daniels and a cherry liqour called "Grandma's Drink" (Awfully sweet stuff). He says alcohol is bad for you, but he doesn't tell people not to drink (except the rare cases when there's someone who has already had more than enough).

Also, you said:

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...im 100% sXe, but i have been pressured a few times...

What do you mean "pressured"? If anyone can make you drink, even though you are, as you say, 100% sXe, then you're doing something wrong.

Also, being drunk in the right company can be fun especially to listen about the next morning.

This post has been edited by SilverMaduin on 4th January 2007 09:02

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I drink a lot (way more than necessary). So maybe I can give you some insight from the other perspective. I find that drinking is good for dating purposes but in moderation. Having a drink or two will make you more relaxed around the girl. So your less likely to say or do something weird out of nervousness. Drinking too much however, makes you look bad (thus the moderation). So in your case you can have fun without drinking. If you do drink though keep it moderate. Things get dangerous when you binge drink.

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I am underage in my area (that area being the United States, and my age being slightly below 21), but I don't drink anyway. From reading many other people's accounts of being drunk or watching other people while they were drunk, my conclusions are that being drunk inhibits one's sensibility and conscience, and thereby amplifies one's emotions and "natures". I don't like to be spewing embarrassing personal secrets (face it, we all have some) all over the place and acting like an obnoxious idiot (and having people tell me afterwards, after laughing at my expense), and I feel that if I got myself drunk, I might risk doing such things.

Now, what about drinking and not getting drunk? Well, for one thing, it's not yet legal for me to drink, and for another thing, I don't know my tolerance. Besides, I don't have the time to worry about this stuff, and if I did have the time, I'd probably get more enjoyment out of playing a detailed Super Metroid hack or reading up on Pokemon glitches anyway.

I really don't care if other people drink as long as they don't force me to drink and they aren't obnoxious about it. Go get drunk at a party in the fraternity nearby, I don't care. Go get drunk and bang on my door at 4am while screaming obscenities (which fortunately has not happened yet), I do care. I don't mind if people become playfully drunk, but I do mind if they become obnoxiously drunk, or if they're so drunk there might be non-negligible consequences affecting their health.

And in any case, I can always simulate my being drunk by hanging out with people while I'm sleepy. I do some pretty random stupid things, and I sometimes seriously wonder if I could pass myself off as drunk to someone observing my behavior. However, generally, speaking, I do like to keep my head level, my ducks in a row, and my conscience operational.

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Oh, and one more thing.

I've recently (timescale of months/years) heard that drinking some red wine may be good for the body (or for certain parts such as the heart). So there's some chance I might not lead a completely dry life, but it won't be in order to get sloshed, it'll be for my own good.

This post has been edited by Glenn Magus Harvey on 11th January 2007 15:03

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I didn't drink for a long time and I told myself that I wouldn't. Then I did, and now I'm glad that I do. I did it illegally and now I do it legally. I drink with people I trust and have fun doing it, I don't do it where I am likely to get into undesirable situations. I do it while getting together with friends to watch a movie or play video games. I drink fairly often, and yet I've A) never had a hangover, B) never gotten (severely) hurt, and C) have never been humiliated.

I can see where you think it's stupid for people to get incredibly trashed and do stupid things, but I think it's ridiculous to condemn even casual drinkers when you haven't tried it yourself.

This post has been edited by Neal on 11th January 2007 07:27

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I totally agree...but you shouldnt drink because people want you to...cuz that only shows you have to stoop to that to be "popular". You should drink only to have a good time and enjoy yourself. If pressured and succumbing, i think you are more likely to become wasted easier...or so my friend says?

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