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Okay, maybe hate is a strong word, but I've been wondering for quite some time why there haven't been any new FF's for Nintendo systems, present or future.

I understand all the hullaballo that happened in the N64 era, where Square got angry with Nintendo for using cartriges instead of discs and defected to Sony, but I see no reason for Square to discriminate against Nintendo anymore, except maybe in the graphics department.

Sure Nintendo is getting Square games made for them, even things under the FF name, such as Crystal Chronicles, and remakes of old FF's, but Nintendo hasn't seen a new, genuine FF since FFVI.

So what is it? A contract with Sony that won't die? Graphics issues? Or just general disinterest on Square's part?

This post has been edited by Ultros: Octopus Royalty on 10th November 2006 20:49

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Perhaps because so far, Sony have been market leaders in terms of both sales, and on-paper power compared to Nintendo. 64 had the cart problem you think of, GC was weaker than PS2 on paper. In addition, they can make more money from the most popular in terms of sales: and Playstation has won the last two console wars.

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Pretty much. Gotta side with the most powerful ally.

However, Nintendo has gotten quite a bit of games from SE for its systems recently, whether it be more ports, remakes, or DS games, and the Wii will have a handful of SE's RPGs on it that have been announced so far.

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And with Nintendo projected to recover a bit, Square will probably be making more Nintendo games. The FFXII team already stated they want to develop for the Wii. -CSM

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Well, the reason that Square and Nintendo had a falling-out in the 90s because of Nintendo's stubborn clinging to a cartridge-based game format on the N64 and their desire for more control over developers' intellectual property. The reason FF VII appeared on the Playstation because CD formats were cheaper and easier to work with and Sony gave them a better business offer than Nintendo. Square decided to stick with Sony consoles though that generation of games because of those same reasons, as well as Sony's newfound dominance of the console market after the success of the PS1.

Now, Sony is still on top, as of the end of the PS2/Cube/XBox generation, but Nintendo has essentially had some relatively successful "rebuilding years" with the Gamecube (not to mention the insane worldwide success with the DS), compared to the financial disaster that was the N64, and now Microsoft is a very significant player in the market. Square-Enix is probably now a multi-console game company more than it ever has been, so why you cryin? [/George Lopez]

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Quote (laszlow @ 10th November 2006 17:33)

Now, Sony is still on top, as of the end of the PS2/Cube/XBox generation, but Nintendo has essentially had some relatively successful "rebuilding years" with the Gamecube (not to mention the insane worldwide success with the DS), compared to the financial disaster that was the N64, and now Microsoft is a very significant player in the market. Square-Enix is probably now a multi-console game company more than it ever has been, so why you cryin? [/George Lopez]

However, despite Nintendo's rebound (which is still uncertain, depending on consumer-response to the Wii rather than Internet chatter), there does not seem to be any development on Square's flagship series to be ported to anything but Sony's system. Noting IGN as a source, they're concentrating on developing FF13 and moving it from PS2 technology to the PS3. There seems to be no direction being undertaken towards moving away from Sony-exclusive.

And since I'm unlikely to purchase a PS3 due to its hidden overhead cost (HDTV? No way)... I'm with the OP. Curse thee, Square-Enix.

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There seems to be no direction being undertaken towards moving away from Sony-exclusive.

Well, the fact of the matter is they AREN'T Sony-exclusive. They've released a version of FF XI for the XBox 360, are planning on Crystal Chronicles games on the DS and Wii, recently released Children of Mana for the DS, and then there are the Nintendo handheld ports of FF I-VI. The reason that FF XIII is going to the PS3 is probably because Square-Enix anticipated the PS3 to be the console that attracts the most gamers, as the PS2 dominated the past round of console wars.

Which console or consoles come out on top remains to be seen, but we also have to understand that the development of FF XIII likely began around two and a half years ago or so, after its production team (the FF X asst. director and co.) finished FF X-2.

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I think its better on playstaion because with ps3 coming out soon they can get muchmore on a disc on ps3 than wiii and better graphics too.

Since FFVII's runaway success, new installments in the series have been major productions. The music, movies, and other technical aspects of the game have been top-notch even when the story or characters lagged. Sadly, Nintendo just hasn't been building systems that are capable of pulling this off.

A better question would be to ask why the X-Box isn't getting new Final Fantasy games.

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Since FFVII's runaway success, new installments in the series have been major productions. The music, movies, and other technical aspects of the game have been top-notch even when the story or characters lagged. Sadly, Nintendo just hasn't been building systems that are capable of pulling this off.

A better question would be to ask why the X-Box isn't getting new Final Fantasy games.

I don't like the X Box. Square is doing the right thing only sticking to Sony because everyone likes Sony systems the Best. The Play Station 3 will be Amazing!

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I couldn't imagine playing FF games with a Gamecube/Xbox/N64- controller.


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A better question would be to ask why the X-Box isn't getting new Final Fantasy games.

Likely for the same reason why the X-box in general has had difficulty getting into the JRPG market. If I recall correctly, analysts put that as one of the (many) reasons why the X-Box did not too well in Japan.

Microsoft has been courting Japanese developers for the 360 though, haven't they? How has that turned out? I haven't heard much of it.

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Mistwalker (the company that Sakaguchi left SE to create) is developing several RPG titles for the 360, so I guess we can see how that turns out.

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what is this about an hdtv overhead cost wit hthe ps3? You don't have to have an hdtv to play it do you? Because I was going to get one for the new final fantasy, but there's no way I'll have the money for a hidtv AND a ps3.

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what is this about an hdtv overhead cost wit hthe ps3? You don't have to have an hdtv to play it do you? Because I was going to get one for the new final fantasy, but there's no way I'll have the money for a hidtv AND a ps3.

I think it and the Wii both SUPPORT HDTV resolutions (or will at least work on them) but do not require an HDTV for use. XBox 360 also is able to perform on HDTV. But from hat I saw, Wii can merely play on an HDTV, it does not as such appear to support the HD resolutions.

Not really sure about that but the Wiki article had no mentions of HDTV or High Definition.

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Doesn't Sony own a share percentage in SE? I heard that it used to be at least 10% until the merger, then it's only 5% now.

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Since FFVII's runaway success, new installments in the series have been major productions. The music, movies, and other technical aspects of the game have been top-notch even when the story or characters lagged. Sadly, Nintendo just hasn't been building systems that are capable of pulling this off.

A better question would be to ask why the X-Box isn't getting new Final Fantasy games.

The best question of all would be why Square has lost the ability to come up with decent stories for the main series.

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Since FFVII's runaway success, new installments in the series have been major productions.  The music, movies, and other technical aspects of the game have been top-notch even when the story or characters lagged.  Sadly, Nintendo just hasn't been building systems that are capable of pulling this off.

A better question would be to ask why the X-Box isn't getting new Final Fantasy games.

The best question of all would be why Square has lost the ability to come up with decent stories for the main series.

That is perhaps the best question. I have a PS2 but I am not touching FFXII after playing the demo that was attached to Dragon Quest. Square seems to be doing everything in its power to destroy the FF series. And I do not want to hear the usual objections of "uhhh dude, you have to check out the graphics on it" or "hey dude you will get used to it". There is a reason I love the NES and SNES versions and the reason they are better then any PS version that has ever come. That is plot and gameplay. SE seemes to have forgotten what that is all about which is why FFVI will always remain as the last great FF game. Hopefully on the Wii it can be downloaded from its SNES version, but I doubt it since it will soon be available on the DS.

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Since FFVII's runaway success, new installments in the series have been major productions.  The music, movies, and other technical aspects of the game have been top-notch even when the story or characters lagged.  Sadly, Nintendo just hasn't been building systems that are capable of pulling this off.

A better question would be to ask why the X-Box isn't getting new Final Fantasy games.

The best question of all would be why Square has lost the ability to come up with decent stories for the main series.

That is perhaps the best question. I have a PS2 but I am not touching FFXII after playing the demo that was attached to Dragon Quest. Square seems to be doing everything in its power to destroy the FF series. And I do not want to hear the usual objections of "uhhh dude, you have to check out the graphics on it" or "hey dude you will get used to it". There is a reason I love the NES and SNES versions and the reason they are better then any PS version that has ever come. That is plot and gameplay. SE seemes to have forgotten what that is all about which is why FFVI will always remain as the last great FF game. Hopefully on the Wii it can be downloaded from its SNES version, but I doubt it since it will soon be available on the DS.

GBA, though. But still.



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It's important to remember that they're looking at the Japanese market before the US one... the reason you got FFXI on the X-box is because online games sell better on there in the West than online games do on the PS2 (in fact it has so far only been released on the x-box and PC in the EU). But in Japan, where the X-box doesn't sell too well, they still released it on the PS2 first.

Next up they look at the market for sales on RPGs on the newer Nintendo systems, as as it stands Nintendo do way better selling party games, where as Sony's consoles are a bubbling pot of RPG hits bothere there and in the West. As a result they continue to release the main series on the system where it will sell best accross Japan as well as the West, it has nothing to do with hate. In fact Square is cashing in on the greater success of Nintendo with handhelds with the rereleases on the GBA and DS.

Rest assured though, that with the plans for new Crystal Chronicles games on Nintendo systems that they're playing on its success with party games, and if there are any more online FFs, you can count on 'em hitting the X-box systems.

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