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Have something that pisses you off at the moment? Something just racking your mind the past few days that you wanna share?
You've come to the right place!

This thread in the forums is to vent your anger/annoyance/rants about anything. Maybe one of us has the same problem or can help you out. (Or if you just want to contribute.... bah, you know)

I'll start.....


Cover songs.....

Cover songs annoy the crap out of me. I mean, sure, there are some exceptions (like that incredible FooFighter's cover of "Main Offender"... I'm listeniung to it right now) But that's just not cool. If the song was goodly good, then that band should leave it alone because 10 to 1 that band is going to seriously eff it up or make it worse and bring a bad name unto that song.
And if the song sucked beyond belief, why in the world would you want to bring it back? {I'm talking to you, Limp Bizkit.... DAMNIT! George Micheal must die and so should Fred Durst... DAMNIT, i hate that song... both versions}
Also, I think if you have to cover a song, I think it shows that that certain band cannot come up with their own material, and thus lose pace on mookie's Respect-o-meter. [[bands that have recently gone down on mookie's R-o-M: Disturbed, Ataris, Audioslave (Stop playing LIKE A STONE! We all know how it goes! Spare me!)]]
Anyway, the cause of this rant came from me driving home from work the other night and i was flicking through the preset stations. The first one i was on was playing a cover of "Don't Dream it's Over" by some chick band and it sent a shiver down my spine of bleeeeehhh-iness. Second station I flicked to had the Ataris redoing "Boys of Summer". For God's sake, don't cover an 80s song that sucked as much as BoS did [nice drumline in that song, however]. Third station I flicked to had a song I had NO idea was the Counting Crows until after it ended doing "Paved Paradise and put up a parking lot..." That song..... has been covered so many times.. and every single one of them annoy me.

yeah.... ok, to summarize. I think cover songs should be illegal.

i'm done. anyone want to rant about cover songs ... or monkeys... or anything going on in your own life?

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Excellent topic...ok here I go

At my summer job, there is this little 120 lb kid who thinks he is all that. Now I have no problem with a person being cocky at times, everyone is, but I do when they are all the time and especially when they can't back it up. This little punk tried to tell me to do something and when I told him no (in alot more harsh words) he tried to act all hard. So I poured my cup of water on him and told him to shut up (again not that nice). Again he tried to be a badass. Now I am no bully but I will not take crap from a kid 3 yrs younger then me and almost 100 lbs less then me. I just can't stand people who act cocky all the time and can't back it up.

Also, TODAYS MUSIC SUCKS, there are no good bands left and all the old good ones (i.e. Metallica, Aerosmith) have sold out. Sorry if this offends anyone but I can't stand music today it is all crap. Alot of people say rock n' roll died with John Lennon, I believe it died with Kurt Cobain. Since then there has not been one good band. End of story.

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U sir R a n00b >:-( - Cactuar

Quote (BGrugby @ 13 Jun 2003, 21:0

Also, TODAYS MUSIC SUCKS, there are no good bands left and all the old good ones (i.e. Metallica, Aerosmith) have sold out. Sorry if this offends anyone but I can't stand music today it is all crap. Alot of people say rock n' roll died with John Lennon, I believe it died with Kurt Cobain. Since then there has not been one good band. End of story.

YEAH TODAY'S MUSIC SUCKS.



Seriously though, one thing that bugs me is music know-it-alls that say current music is awful, crappy, inferior, etc., without giving any reason besides the old, worn out OMG THEY ARE SUCH SELLOUTS argument.  Maybe you should stop thinking about how much today's music allegedly "sucks" and give somethings a chance.  Just open your ears d00der. There is crappy music from every decade (Bread from the 70s, anyone?). Foo Fighters and Our Lady Peace are just two examples of mainstream bands that put great music today.  I could go into bands that are less mainstream (Guster for one), but you probably will not have heard of them.  

Also, give music from other countries a chance.  The Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra puts out some amazing music.  Diversify your musical tastes.  

Also: It may not seem conceivable to you, but people tend to have different music tastes.  End of story.



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Quote (Super Saiya-jin Cloud @ 14 Jun 2003, 08:47)

YEAH TODAYS MUSIC SUCKS.

ah, yes, you americans think music on your side of the pond sucks. well, you will all know of american idol, right?
the origianl UK version spawned Gareth 'Looks and sounds bad' Gates and Will 'Is bad' Young, two vocally challenged monkeys who are cover merchants of the lowest quality. worse, three poor bands have been spawned by pop idols predecessor type programme, Popstars, namely Heresy, er, hearsay, Girls Aloud (but i wish they were quiet) and one true voice (another bunch of losers)
UK music is more or less manufactured, so our charts consist of people who bearely worked for their singing careers (whcih they are not very good at) whislt the ones with talent are ignored.

But heres an alarming probelm for america, soem of you may have been unfotunate to suffer the spice girls. well, the band planning on cracking america at the moment here is even WORSE!
know as westlife, they plan to sell their mimed rubbish in your fair land and ruin your country worse than the spice girls did. fortunately, no DJ in america will play them as they suck. lucky you, they bribe UK DJ's....
in short, you lot are in trouble if im wrong about your DJ's.
TRUST NO IRISH MUSICIANS WHO DO NOT HAVE VIOLINS, AMERICA! it may be your only chance.



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Quote (Del S @ 14 Jun 2003, 09:43)

TRUST NO IRISH MUSICIANS WHO DO NOT HAVE VIOLINS, AMERICA! it may be your only chance.

Yeah, like U2. They suck.

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Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN?

Arg. Del, you completely missed Cloud's point :-P He said that yes, there is music in every generation that sucks.

BUT THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF IT THAT'S GOOD!

Sheesh, people, just because it's not on the radio or on MTV doesn't mean it's not out there ^-^ There is great music being made in every single country of the world. Keep your ear to the ground, listen. Sample different songs, if you hear an interesting song from a movie, look it up.

Don't be afraid to change how you find and enjoy music. You may surprise yourself with what you find. If you need help, step into chat. Most of the regulars there listen to a diverse amount of music, and a lot of it is recent, and not usually mainstream.

If you don't want to do that, just go to the Audioscrobbler topic and look at the songs there for an idea.

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How about being sick in the summer

I was pretty lucky this winter and was not sick that offten, but a few days ago I got really sick with some flu.I guess it's going around or something..so I hear. It's bad enough to be sick in the winter but being sick when its nice out stinks. This is a venting thread right lol...hack hack....hack.

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F*CK COMPUTERS!  F*CK THE MAN WHO THOUGHT THEM UP!  F*CK iMAC AND STEVE JOBS AND ANYONE WHO HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH APPLE!  HE MAKES BILL GATES LOOK LIKE A GODSEND!

Okay, by nature I'm a fairly...well, 'twitchy' person (i.e. I'm wired like a muthaf*cka 24/7).  Like it or not, I tend to get off on ranting an raving.  It's my way to vent out all the energy I ball up.  If some small thing goes awry, my personality allows me the excuse to have a tantrum.  It makes me looks wierd (a plus as far as I'm concerned) and it gets laughs from those around me (another plus).  Suffice to say, I'm fueled by lifes little f*ck ups.

Well this last month I over ate.  Constant hassles kept delaying my projects one after the other, risking my failure of the class and being held back four months as opposed to the usual two (which would indirectly mean me being forced to work construction w/ my stepdad during the summer).  Then near the end, just when I was starting to get a handle on things, the network crashed THEN THE F*CKING SERVER DIES!  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGH!  I made backups, but I had to search for 'em and during that time, I (and actually most of my class) began to actually break down mentally.  I shit thee not.  Everone was scared and nobody had a happy time of it.  Me, I just screamed a lot and then would leave.

But all ended well (albiet at the very last minute), and I passed, but good god in heaven was it a trial.

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Homophobics really piss me off.  I don't care if you disagree with homosexuality but what the hell business is it of yours if someone has a different sexual orientation, and what the hell gives you the right to mock someone because they have one?

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In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

Y'know what really ticks my clock?  People that say soccer is for wimps!  They suck!  Soccer is the sport of kings damn it!  In football (american) you get pads and a helmet.  In soccer there's just as many collisions and you get nothing but your own skin and bone (and hopefully some muscle).  Why just friday the 13 (Luckiest day EVER!!!!!!!!!!) I played indoor soccer (a variation) and in one hour, I got slammed into a wall 3 times, kicked in the shin at least a dozen, kicked in the balls (sorry if the mentioning makes you wince or offends you) a couple of times and the ball bounced off my head once.
 But of course we won.  (It was Weights and Condition versus Team Sports, I was on Weights.)  We had two soccer players, one was the Mad Mormon (oblivously not his name) who plays really rough for a scrawny guy (and got the most fouls on Varsity) and my friend Jason (who's also really rough, crazy rough!)  A big Russian guy who...well got the leg muscle to drill that ball.  Me, a former and horrlibly out of shape soccer player who well, found myself getting hit alot... But those that badmouth soccer beware!!!  It's a lot rougher and more fun then football of the American kindl.

And adding to the list.  Today's music sucks.  Country I hate.  Too many crappy bands to list I suppose.  Country sucks.  I pefer the older stuff.  Metallica, Black Sabbath, Aerosmith, Nirvana, Ozzy, and so on...  Country sucks, Disco sucks (thankfully it is dead and will be forever.)

One of these days...stupid people'll go to far and the consequences will be dire...

But don't worry, I'm in a super-duper good mood.  Nothing could piss me off now.  Summer starts next friday, my bro comes back, and so on...

Whew...

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Really Random Quote of the Day: "Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war." - Richard M. Nixon

So if you're done reading this, you know I have nothing to say and you've wasted your time. Thank you come again.

Quote (Neal @ 14 Jun 2003, 20:40)

Homophobics really piss me off.  I don't care if you disagree with homosexuality but what the hell business is it of yours if someone has a different sexual orientation, and what the hell gives you the right to mock someone because they have one?

      Thank you.

I agree with Neal.  Homophobics really get on my nerves (for good reason).  How can love be a sin?  There are 3 things that they don't seem to realize:
1.)They're reading a translation of two languages that arent' exact (i.e., there's no way to translate them exactly to English; you have to go on context, like Japanese, for instance).
2.) Neither Greek nor Hebrew contain the word "homosexuality".
3.) The passages they try to pass off as saying it's a sin are extremely vague.

Anyway, off that subject.

Hypocrites also drive me nuts.  My brother, in particular.  Apparently, rules don't apply to him.  He doesn't have to do anything.  If it's his turn to cook, I have to wash the dishes.  If it's my turn to cook, I have to wash the dishes...

I think that's it....

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I sat two years in the same old chair,
I saw three roads but didn't know,
Which way to go-go-go"
My Coco, stellastarr*

One thing that I can't stand that is coming into America (or has been here for at least a year now) is the "fashion" or the "trend setting" that's happening. I don't like the "thuggin' hipster" look. Nelly and other rappers in the rap world inspired this. I guarantee you know what I'm talking about. Wearing basketball jerseys backwards (I can't believe the prices some  people pay for throwback jerseys.... upwards of $200... Who in their freaking mind is going to buy a $200 piece of nylon with a guys name sewed on the back?!), "bling bling the ice 'round my neck, yo!" jewelery that must've cost an arm and a leg, the baggy pants that look like they'd more fit a 400 lb man, And wearing a baseball cap like EMF did back in the early 90s: Just covering the top of the head. Sorry, i can't stand that.
And it always comes with The Walk... You know what walk i'm talking about. Lead with your shoulders, move them more than your feet, grab your crotch a couple times, give the "uncool people move aside" look a couple times.
WOW! That annoys the crap out of me.... how do you comprehend wearing maybe $500 worth of clothing? Maybe I'm just "out of style" with my Wal*Mart t-shirt, JCPenny bluejeans, and Sears Nikes..

I think I'll be adding to this topic quite a bit... A lot of things cheese me off nowadays..

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The corner bends into the perfect dog ear
As if the words knew I'd need them again
But at the time, I didn't see it."

~"This Ain't a Surfin' Movie" - Minus the Bear

I agree with Neal and tenshi, how can you not understand love, or sexual attraction? People are strange.

One thing that sets me off, though, is how some people seem to expect others to be perfect. I know I can be a perfectionist sometimes, but it's about my own work, and that's not what I mean.

I mean, for example, some poor cashier working in a busy store like WalMart. It's busy, she's new, and managed to mess up. Suddenly people are yelling at her, getting annoyed and bitchy, and cranky. Why? Because she is human and not perfect, and made a mistake.

Or for an example using a human creation: computers. Why do we expect computers to be perfect? We made them! Come on, nothing we make or do can always be perfect. If your computer happens to be too slow, or does weird stuff, as long as it's not so bad as NP's example, suck it up and deal.

People in general piss me off ^-^ Yet I come off as a sweet, shy girl somehow.

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Quote (Kylerocks @ 14 Jun 2003, 21:18)

In soccer there's just as many collisions and you get nothing but your own skin and bone (and hopefully some muscle).

Definitely not even close to as many collisions, seeing how there's about 10 per play and they are all intentional. Say rugby on the other hand, and you might have something. Those guys are just plain crazy.

Yeah, I'd have to say I hate people who just make big generalizations about stuff. Not all today's music is bad, it's just the crap they play on the radio. There are numerous good bands out there. And I also am SICK of the "selling out" crap, because for one: unless they're music substantially goes downhill, then what the hell is wrong with trying to make a buck? It's like once a band does ANYTHING besides a gig or concert, then they're a sellout. Jeez, if you were in their position you're saying that you'd pass up a chance to become successful in the world just to please the so-called "we don't have to conform to the norm" people? Screw them. They're such hypocrites. Sure, they don't conform to the average people, but they sure do conform to themselves. Anyways, this excludes bands doing cheesy endorsements etc, you know what i mean.

Oh yeah. I know I'm gonna be giving this topic a lot of love.

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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

Where to begin...hmm...

• I'll start with today's music and cover songs.  One cover song that I know I like is Metallica's cover of Turn the Page (Bob Seger).  I've heard other versions after hearing Metallica's and I can say that I like Metallica's better.  As for bands and today's music, I'll add to the argument that everybody has different tastes; pure and simple.  Me?  I'm a straight-up heavy metal guy.  The grunge of the guitars and the pound of the bass and percussion just gets me going.  

       As far as Metallica 'selling out', pretty much all bands change, grow, and mature.  Metallica's done all three.  Three bassists in its lifespan, and their musical style has definitely grown over the years.  I'll quote my brother as having said (something close to and along these lines):

       "They're just trying to make good music, and they happen to use a different style now than before.  Come on, man, listen to Metallica because you like the music, don't hate them just because they changed their style."

       Oh, and I happen to like Metallica in ANY style and ANY album.    *Hugs Saint Anger media*

• Smacking when one eats food.  That gets on my nerves sooo bad.  

• Sabin's "pimping" pet peeve.  I'm not a big fan of rap and hip hop and R&B, and people that try to be all punk and stuff creep me out. ô_o

• Impatience in today's society.  That applies to anything and everything from Elena's cashier example to bad drivers.  Would it kill anyone to just sit back once in a while and say, "Hey, these people have their own problems and ways of doing things.  I can sit back and wait a minute or two for them."  I'll have to admit to being bit by the impatience bug once or twice (or thrice), but in general I'm very patient and I try to remember that other people have problems, methods, and...dare I say...a life to live, too.

[ Perhaps I'll add to this as more stuff pops into my head.  I think that's about all I can rant about in one sitting. ]

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The cover song I was thinking of wasn't the right one. Correction made.

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* Completed... Dragon's Head
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* In Progress/Undecided... Of Love and Betrayal
* Planning/Assembly... Where it all Began

This is a minor thing that I haven't had to deal with since I quite my theater job down in the valley, but women who use the words snank, hoe, slut, etc.  Whenever I hear a girl use one of those terms, my respect for them is instantly and almost completely destroyed...which is why I could barely stand most of the girls when I worked at the theater.

Oh it was awful to hear those women talk during breaks.  It was so inane and hypocritical it made me wanna smash my head through the wall.  One day, I actually called one of the girls on there rant and asked 'em if this person they were accusing of being...ahem...'flirtascious' had actually had sexual relations that she knew of.  She said no, started getting really nervous and red in the face and I just pushed till she started stuttering like an idiot.  God forgive but I loved making her feel like the ass I felt she was.

Then there was another Kodak moment where one girl made an offhand comment about the sexual appetite of Jasmine from Disney's Aladdin while taking down a poster for Lilo and Stitch (commenting on the fact that she was the only one who didn't appear to be repulsed by the blue koala bear).  This was in the theater hallway while a children's movie was ending and kid's were walking by.  I actually had the chance to see a woman quickly put her hands around her child's ears and start picking up the pace towards the exit.

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Quote (Elena99 @ 15 Jun 2003, 04:30)

Or for an example using a human creation: computers. Why do we expect computers to be perfect? We made them! Come on, nothing we make or do can always be perfect. If your computer happens to be too slow, or does weird stuff, as long as it's not so bad as NP's example, suck it up and deal.

Sure, they can't be perfect, but you have a right to expect that a reasonable level of care and craftsmanship has gone into producing a computer hardware or software product, or anything else.  You expect it to have undergone sufficient testing and, basically, do what it says on the box.  A lot of things are slow or do weird stuff because they just haven't been done in even vaguely the right manner.  Okay, a cashier messing something up is one thing, but we're talking about a release-quality product that should have been tested.  Particularly there's no excuse for "weird" behaviour.  Don't forget, it all boils down to binary signals.  It's not the hardware that's making it suck (unless it's overheating).

("Weird" behaviour due to user interface design is something different, I'll grant you; you can't necessarily complain if something does its job, but not through the interface mechanisms you would expect.  However, you should expect a reasonable level of standard design in any user interface.  There are conventions, and you can easily adhere to them.  A software product shouldn't make you want to scream and throw your monitor out of the window the first time you look at it because you can't work out how to do anything without help files (Photoshop).)

Microsoft haven't really been showing this care until recently.  Every 9x kernel operating system (95, 98, ME) is an unstable, insecure piece of complete crap, saved only by quite an ergonomic user interface (though even this is still open to debate).

Funnily enough, one thing that Microsoft did use to do well was Internet Explorer.  However, now it has sucked up something like 97% of the market, Microsoft have apparently given up development, which has left it way, way behind the market.

So normally, I'd say, fine, use any old piece of crap you like.  Sure, complain about popups, when it would take you seconds to pick up a browser that blocks them.  (And yeah, I hear the argument that IE is just easiest because it came with Windows and you're used to it, but you don't use MSPaint to do serious graphics any more, do you?)  But the worst crime in Internet Explorer is its shocking level of support for standards.

What does this mean?  In an ideal world, I'd just write a webpage based on modern standards.  It'd be great, and it'd look wonderful, and it'd do everything you'd ever want, except wait - let's look at it in IE.  Oops, it looks like a page designed for IE would look in Netscape 4.  Disgusting.  I'll have to spend ages hacking it around until it works with IE, possibly introducing some very mucky code to switch the HTML you get based on which browser you're using.  (If you want an example, take a look at the site's new CoN3 style in IE6 and in Mozilla Firebird.)  It's laughable that IE claims to be anywhere near any standards.  IE6 does a better job than IE5, but it's not much improvement, when you consider how long it is since IE5 came out.

In essence, Microsoft are holding back the web design world in a massive way.  And let's not even start on their MSNTV browser.

No, computers and software can't be perfect.  But you have a right to expect a decent amount of time, thought and effort to go into their production, and you have the right to assume they won't be full of things a small child could program better.

There's my somewhat disjoint rant.  Take it as you will, but at least try Mozilla Firebird.

Quote (Rangers51 @ 14 Jun 2003, 09:59)

Yeah, like U2. They suck.

i thought so too..

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Del. He's being sarcastic.

Quote (Elena99 @ 14 Jun 2003, 10:07)

Arg. Del, you completely missed Cloud's point

Im a professional, thats my job...
(BTW you will not know the problems it caused me to get two quotes, and if they dont work...)

anyhoo, back to things that gets me (or you) angry.
i can see where people are coming from saying 'Sawker' is for sissies and wimps. they watch Rangers , Man United and Celtic players Dive in the box, and think they must be wimps. its not true. on the other hand, youu could argue American Football is for wimps- why? Rugby players take hits equal to or WORSE than American Football players, and are they wearing more armour than a Challenger? no.
however, its not smart to walk up to an american football palyer and call him a wuss. Whilst you or your family may make money out of it by suing for assault or on your life insurance, its not worth it. ditto Soccer/UK Football players as most will aim between the legs with a kick.
in short- those who snipe at footie as being for wimps, hey, why not play American football without armour or whilst the other teams in theirs and you aren't? i dare ya!

issues closer to my home now. the huge amounts of money wasted on the scottish parliament buildign annoy me even more as an elderly neighbour of mine has to wait untill late this year or early next year just to get a hearing aid. and that £400 million spent on a parlaiment when we had a perfectly good one from the 16th century still in good condition couldn't ahve been used better on reducign waiting lists, could it , Messers Blair, McLeish and McConnel? (wont say Dewar as he was alright as First Minister until his tragic death)

heres a last thing i find annoying- Tony Blair. within the last fortnight, hes got worse. hes dragging the UK too far into the EU. he wants the Euro so badly he woudl sell his children for it (not 100% true but might be!), hes even messing about with our constitution . its easy enoguht as the constitution ehre is mostly unritten but he has to consult the people or his MP's about it first!



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Quote (Del S @ 15 Jun 2003, 10:43)

heres a last thing i find annoying- Tony Blair.

YAAAAAY ::throws a parade::  I cannot stand that man, and I don't even live in Europe!  I greatly dislike Bush too, and hope everyday that he will not be around for a second term.

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Hey, put the cellphone down for a while
In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

Angsty teenagers.  You've met them, you've seen them on the street.  Who knows, you could be  one of them, but if you really are, you'd probably disagree with that accusation, regardless of the truth in it.  Actually, I don't think I can limit the idea to literal "teenagers," since there are plenty of people ages 20+ who still conform to similar hypocritical profundities.

They're anti-everything.  Anti-establishment, anti-corporation, anti-government.  But really, that's not the main problem.  There are many people who speak out against things, and oftentimes their causes are noble.  The problem with these people are that they have no concrete, logical reasons for what they say and do.  It's fine to hate the government.  There are a lot of things about the government that I don't like, too.  It's not fine, however, to say that you hate the government, or anything else, for no actual reason.

For example:
"Hell, I hate Christians."
"Really?  Why?"
"Well, Christianity is the worst religion."
"Why do you say that?"
"Because religions ****ing suck."

Oh, gee, thanks.  That really clears it all up for me.  Not only have you proven yourself a bastion of theological thought, but you've totally turned me around and filled me with your enlightened perspective.  Who could have guessed that religion was worthless because it "****ing sucks"?

Naturally, this is an extreme (though not entirely unrealistic) example.  More often than not such specimens prefer to give borrowed, pseudo-philosophical half-reasons for their mode of anti-thought, few if any of which make even a crude semblance of reason.

Seriously, I wonder sometimes what these people are thinking.  Of course, I try to remain polite, and not blow up on them.  But they sure don't make it easy on me.



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"The truly remarkable thing about television is that it allows several million people to laugh at the same joke and still feel lonely."
~T.S. Eliot

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~ Bruce Lee

Quote (Kylerocks @ 14 Jun 2003, 21:1

In soccer there's just as many collisions and you get nothing but your own skin and bone (and hopefully some muscle). Definitely not even close to as many collisions, seeing how there's about 10 per play and they are all intentional. Say rugby on the other hand, and you might have something. Those guys are just plain crazy.

Hey now I play rugby in college and were not crazy...ok maybe we are  .



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War is for the participants a test of character; it makes bad men worse and good men better. - Joshua Chamberlain

U sir R a n00b >:-( - Cactuar

Quote (Super Moogle @ 15 Jun 2003, 15:12)

Angsty teenagers.  You've met them, you've seen them on the street.  Who knows, you could be  one of them, but if you really are, you'd probably disagree with that accusation, regardless of the truth in it.  Actually, I don't think I can limit the idea to literal "teenagers," since there are plenty of people ages 20+ who still conform to similar hypocritical profundities. They're anti-everything.  Anti-establishment, anti-corporation, anti-government.  But really, that's not the main problem.  There are many people who speak out against things, and oftentimes their causes are noble.  The problem with these people are that they have no concrete, logical reasons for what they say and do.  It's fine to hate the government.  There are a lot of things about the government that I don't like, too.  It's not fine, however, to say that you hate the government, or anything else, for no actual reason.

I'll agree with that 100%.


Moving on to the whole cover band topic, I actually like some covers better then the original song. Yes, most are bad, but some actually can make a song interesting that I normally didn't like beforehand. Goldfinger - "99 Red Balloons" anyone? Man the original song a piece of crap.



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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

On behalf of the cover songs, I think that cover songs are flipsides of the coin. Some can definitely crap out or make the song worse.. or be a song that should not have been covered ::cough::Faith::coughcough::LimpBizkit sucks::
But I know more g00d cover songs than bad ones. I'll give you a list of good cover songs you should listen to..

"Calling Dr. Love" (originally by KiSS) covered by Rage Against the Machine featuring Maynard James Keenan
"Stairway to Heaven" (originally by Led Zeppelin) covered by the Eagles
"Another Brick in the Wall" (originally by Pink Floyd) covered by Layne Staley f/ Tom Morello
"Ms. Jackson" (originally by Outkast) covered by The Vines
"Landslide" (originally by Fleetwood Mac) covered by Smashing Pumpkins
"Kick Out the Jams" (originally by MC5) covered by Rage Against the Machine
"Tribute (to Got You All In Check, Method Man)" (originally by Darwin's Waiting Room) covered by Nonpoint
"Come on Eileen" (can't remember who originally did it) covered by Save Farris

btw, I like the job The Ataris did with covering "Boys of Summer".

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"When I turn the page
The corner bends into the perfect dog ear
As if the words knew I'd need them again
But at the time, I didn't see it."

~"This Ain't a Surfin' Movie" - Minus the Bear

I promised Elena a rant on disclaimers, which I'll do later.  But I agree with SM about Angsty Teenagers.  Honestly, what do most of them have to angst ABOUT?  The worst is when they seek therapists for "issues" like 'My Friends Don't Like Me'.  I know people who *need* therapy.  I know someone trying to juggle a husband, four children, college, and an eating disorder.  I know people who cut themselves and who have tried to commit suicide.  I know people who eat nail polish and throw up blood.  I know cleptomanic alcoholics.  They don't waste time angsting, because they're too busy just trying to survive day to day.  I can't stand it when people take real pain and suffering and turn them into narcissistic teenage posturing.   Angsting for the sake of angsting does not make you cool.

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"Turd-cookies!...they're hot and soft, though..."

Rose leaves, when the rose is dead, Are heaped for the beloved's bed; And so thy thoughts, when thou art gone, Love itself shall slumber on.  - Percy Bysshe Shelley

Sabin, could that be the Clash?

I agree with SM and Hsiu. Angry teenagers that hate everything just piss me off. Sure, some have plausible reasons, but most just need to grow up - do something about it or shut up.

I also get sick when I see people labelling themselves "punks" or "goths" or whatever to be cool, and do all they can to be that way. Be who you are, some people might really be what are generally known as "punks" for example, or might claim they are, but abiding by that label and following it strictly for the sake of looking good is pretty stupid. Some of these people become really closed-minded.

Finally, people who either take things too seriously or take life as a joke. I think life should be enjoyed, and people shouldn't be too uptight and cautious. Then again, I see people risking their lives pretty stupidly getting into heavy drugs and wasting their lives away. I think that's really bad.

Smoking. Not the smokers, necessarily, but smoking. It's horrible.

Cover songs rule, but some are pretty disgusting.

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Lou: There's a couple of guys fighting down at the aquarium, Chief.
Wiggum: Do they still sell those frozen bananas?
Lou: I think so.
Wiggum: Let's roll.

Quote (tenshi/akuma @ 14 Jun 2003, 21:22)

are 3 things that they don't seem to realize: 1.)They're reading a translation of two languages that arent' exact (i.e., there's no way to translate them exactly to English; you have to go on context, like Japanese, for instance). 2.) Neither Greek nor Hebrew contain the word "homosexuality". 3.) The passages they try to pass off as saying it's a sin are extremely vague.

point 1:  over 2 thousand years, don't you think scholars of both (all 3, actually) languages would have analysed the context?  statements like this are inane and meaningless.  on that same token, greek is closer to english than you seem to think.  naturally, there is no "exact" translation (as you'd be hard-pressed to find in ANY lnaguage save perhaps exceptionally close groups such as the scandinavian tongues, or the roamnce languagse); howbeit, it is certainly cloesr to english than japanese (and i have rather a difficult time believing your knowlesge of that language is of any respectable extent, inasmuch as you reference context to be an important part of j-to-e translation -- give me a break, japenanese sentences are about as cut-and-dry as you can get -- but that's another issue and i wouldn't want to rowel anyone here wiht meaningless criticism).  essentially, modern (and even not-too-modern) Bible texts, and even moreso, interpretive teaching inside the church by church leaders who coincidentally happen to have spent their entire lives studying this book in the christian community, are quite accurate.
point 2:  this is so preposterous i'm not sure if you're even being serious.  several hebrew words meaning "religious sin," etc. have evolved to mean "homosexuality."  don't even try to argue with me on this point: my mother speaks hebrew.  regardless, the old testament isn't even the issue here seeing as that code was most decidedly un-adopted with the coming of the Messiah.  moreover, whether or not tehre isd a noun for the word, it's easy enough to say, "man sleeping w/ another man" -- an act assuredly condemned by paul.
point 3:  see above.  "it's easy enough to say, 'man sleeping w/ another man'."

my pet peeves include: stereotypers, people who condemn things without knowing anything about those things (this could be a variety of anythings, from genres of music, to popular culture items, to video games -- etc.), and people who make bogus arguments from 1/2 hour of searching for some bullshit on the internet thinking they can counter 2000 years of intense religious study.

HERE'S A MESSAGE, LIBERAL FAUX-INTELLECTUALS:  IT CAN'T BE DONE.  YOU INTERPRET IT YOUR WAY; I'LL STICK WITH MINE.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

The Bible makes it clear enough that sexual offenders fall into "the abominable."  but don't take it from me, look it up yourself.  and thus, the argument is closed.  if you REALLY think you have something to say, pm.  until EVERYONE believes the same thing, ther will be no peace on religion-based arguemnts.  for you to assume that you are some neo-intellective philosopher who has determined that all religious persons who follow their religion's statutes are bigots and living in the past is asinine and fantastic, and makes you worse: christians (i.e., good ones) don't believe homosexuals are 3VIL DEEEEMO/\/ POSEESSESEDX OH NOS HAXHAXHAXH!!!!!!!!!11W.  homosexuality is just a sin, like lying, or stealing, or murder.  the difference is, homosexuals live in that sin -- it's the lack of repentance that makes it worse (though it would be no different for a chronic liar, or alcoholic, or porsitsiute).

i'm done.  forgive any large errors in syntax or spelling, and overlook the prolixity, if you would.  it's not MY fault.

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Gomen for this post. When I was originally linked to this topic, I only saw the above post, thus assuming that it was a new topic started based off of an older post. Thus, I mistook the request for a PM as something else, and proceeded to post this.

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If I felt you had decent reasoning behind hiding in PMs, I would PM you, but you don't, so here I go. And pardon me, I haven't debated in awhile. I might be a bit rusty...

Point 1:
 Actually, the text was never translated from Latin until the late medieval period(in fact, closer to the renaissance, if my memory serves me). The Bible was never written in Greek, it was written in Hebrew and Latin. And the modern texts, of course, are available in most languages.
Considering the fact that homosexuality was not shunned in Rome or Greece, where the religions took off, I find it difficult to believe that the original texts ever actually included anything about homosexuality.
Again, considering that that "book" that the clergy has been studying is thousands of years old, the odds of them having the word for word original texts is slim to nil.

Point 2:
I think I will argue this point, considering the fact that, once again, the original texts, which are probably lost, are thousands of years old, what the modern word means means nothing. The evolution of a word over time does not change it's meaning in the past.

Point 3:
Because when the words were translated to "modern" languages, not everyone was a reliable source, you can't trust the meaning of words completely. I believe it was the King of England who payed the men translating the Bible to mistranslate words on purpose, namely the portion on Witches. It was mistranslated as a means of controlling the people, so you never know. It might just be that there was never anything against homosexuality, but a simple mistranslation with purpose for a long lost king.

Also, again on the lines of mistranslation..
When the bible was translated, it was during a time of immense greed for the clergy, as well as corruption. The masses, who were unable to read or write in Latin, had no means of disproving the content of the modern language bible. This could be a big problem.

You're entitled your opinion, sir, but allow me one more argument.

The Bible says that the Christian God is infallable, or he cannot be wrong, in simpler words. Thus, many people would argue that the Bible must be correct.

However, you fail to remember the Bible was written by man. And while God might be right all the time, man is subject to falter, and is capable of being wrong.

Good debate on both sides, but I must step in and say that if it's going to continue, it needs to do so in PMs.  The topic is about having a chance to get things off your chest, not posting them so other people can argue about them with you.

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Hey, put the cellphone down for a while
In the night there is something wild
Can you hear it breathing?
And hey, put the laptop down for a while
In the night there is something wild
I feel it, it's leaving me

Acutally I agree music now sux.  Just a little while ago I hated hip-hop/rap.  But now after good bands dissapearing (weezer, RHCP) the only stuff I like that is new is hip-hop/rap.

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aint superstitious Black cat crossed my trail
I aint superstitious But a Black cat crossed my trail
But Lord has got me so far and I wont let her stop me now
The dogs begin to bark all over my neighborhood
And that aint all
The dogs begin to bark all over my neighborhood
UMmHMm
This is a mean old world to live in and I cant face it by myself

How about we just say that homophobes piss us off? More or less the same thing, really. Cause they do. The church and anyone else for that matter has no right to say something natural like being gay, lesbian, or bi is wrong, and that's all there is to it. I don't care what your religious leaders said 800, or 1000, or 2000 years ago. Only the people in that specific church are subject to their rules. That's part of the reason I left the Catholic church anyway.

That being said, let's do as Neal says, and turn this away from a debate and more into the venting, okay?

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