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This post has been edited by EX-SOLDIER on 21st August 2006 15:55

Quote (Rhea @ 25th June 2006 04:33)

If it isn't Red XIII in the ending, it has no meaning to those watching it. Plus, they are looking out at the ruins of Midgar. Red's offspring would have no ties to the place.

I'm not sure about that. I always thought it WAS Nanaki in the ending but there is actually a good argument against this. If it isn't Nanaki, the game would still make sense. It would have meaning to us watching it because it shows that Nanaki's children and grand-children are prospering after his death as a credit to what he achieved in his lifetime. The fact that his offspring have no ties to the place, very true, is actually a homage to Nanaki's life. With Shinra defeated, the life-forms of the planet can continue to exist. It's nice to think that even 500 years after the event, the inhabitants of the planet still remember those who fought for what they have.

I'm completely swung by those who argue it isn't Nanaki in the ending. That doesn't happen often.

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Quote (Rhea @ 24th June 2006 00:19)

I think we've already ruled that out:
a.) As mentioned before, he had a mother and a father.
b.) When Bugen's on his death...sofa, he says something like, "Who knows? Maybe, you'll even find your life's mate someday?" For this to make any sense at all, it would mean Nanaki must be capable of mating. Generally, creatures that can reproduce asexually cannot reproduce sexually, and vice versa. So from this, we can only infer that his species does not reproduce asexually. If they could, why wouldn't they have done so long ago? Having only 2, at most, guardians of Cosmo Canyon alive(and able to fight) at a time doesn't seem like a smart idea, if they have an alternative to it.

oh my GOD!!! are you actually kiddin with that, i said that for a JOKE!! you know, a J.O.K.E!!!!!!!!! can't you undestand!?? I didnt say it so i could hear some long blown, hugely unnecessarily detailled scientific explanation about reproduction in a species that doesn't even exist!!! god man/woman, whatever you are, get a life!

You didn't say you were joking, or put a smiley face or anything next to your words to imply it. We can't read your mind, you know.

The way I read your first post, I assumed you were serious, as probably everyone else did. Rhea wasn't rude in her reply to you, choosing instead to be logical and polite. Neither of those attributes can be given to your most recent reply, though.

Concerning your "get a life" comment, I find that funny. If commenting on games and their storylines is so lame, then why are you here... and why did you even take the time to post here in the first place?

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Quote (Dragon King @ 25th June 2006 00:00)

Who said at the end of the game it was Red XII? I think Red did have a mate but it's his eldest son with his cubs looking at where his father once battled and where his father met the hero of Terra/Earth. I came down to this possibility since 500 years has passed and thats quite a bit,.....but in Fire Tail lion years its Actually decent.

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Quote (Rhea @ 25th June 2006 04:33)

If it isn't Red XIII in the ending, it has no meaning to those watching it. Plus, they are looking out at the ruins of Midgar. Red's offspring would have no ties to the place.

I'm not sure about that. I always thought it WAS Nanaki in the ending but there is actually a good argument against this. If it isn't Nanaki, the game would still make sense. It would have meaning to us watching it because it shows that Nanaki's children and grand-children are prospering after his death as a credit to what he achieved in his lifetime. The fact that his offspring have no ties to the place, very true, is actually a homage to Nanaki's life. With Shinra defeated, the life-forms of the planet can continue to exist. It's nice to think that even 500 years after the event, the inhabitants of the planet still remember those who fought for what they have.

I'm completely swung by those who argue it isn't Nanaki in the ending. That doesn't happen often.

Looks like Red XIII to me. Seems like he has the same headress, same XIII scar in the same place, same fiery tail. I don't have any reason to believe it's someone else.

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And is that cub the cutest little 3D FMV you've ever seen, or what?

This post has been edited by MetroidMorphBall on 30th June 2006 15:29

Hold on... Is that the tatoo we see in those screenshots? If so then it is definatly Nanaki. At the moment I still think it isn't (as of today actually).

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Quote (sweetdude @ 30th June 2006 11:45)

Hold on... Is that the tatoo we see in those screenshots? If so then it is definatly Nanaki. At the moment I still think it isn't (as of today actually).

That is definitely the tattoo. I remembered seeing it in the FMV, that's why I looked for screen shots.

But the screen shots took about 15 minutes to find, and I really don't want to spend more looking for clearer pictures. You'd think it'd be easy to find stills of the FMVs, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right places.

Anyway, if you can download the FMV see if you can pause it at that moment. You might get a better look.

Quote (sweetdude @ 30th June 2006 13:21)

I'm not sure about that. I always thought it WAS Nanaki in the ending but there is actually a good argument against this. If it isn't Nanaki, the game would still make sense. It would have meaning to us watching it because it shows that Nanaki's children and grand-children are prospering after his death as a credit to what he achieved in his lifetime. The fact that his offspring have no ties to the place, very true, is actually a homage to Nanaki's life. With Shinra defeated, the life-forms of the planet can continue to exist. It's nice to think that even 500 years after the event, the inhabitants of the planet still remember those who fought for what they have.

I'm completely swung by those who argue it isn't Nanaki in the ending. That doesn't happen often.

Yeah but that would still mean that Red XIII has reproduced even if it was HIS children and/or grandchildren you see.

This post has been edited by Silver 09 on 30th June 2006 18:50

Concerning Red XIII's ability to reproduce with other species, we know what his father was, but we never found out about his mother. Perhaps it is possible. He may be some sort of spirit guardian that is actually a human that is chosen from the bloodline to be a fiery quadraped instead of the standard form. Why this would happen, I don't know, but I can say that of a lot of FFVII.

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Quote (Silver 09 @ 30th June 2006 18:49)

Yeah but that would still mean that Red XIII has reproduced even if it was HIS children and/or grandchildren you see.

Yeah I agree it's his children. I was wrong before.

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It could be possible that his species is not extinct but i say he just reproduced with any female or maybe it was Cait because Cait does ride on Red in he movie.

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Quote (EX-SOLDIER @ 30th June 2006 11:56)

Quote (Rhea @ 24th June 2006 00:19)

I think we've already ruled that out:
a.) As mentioned before, he had a mother and a father.
b.) When Bugen's on his death...sofa, he says something like, "Who knows? Maybe, you'll even find your life's mate someday?" For this to make any sense at all, it would mean Nanaki must be capable of mating. Generally, creatures that can reproduce asexually cannot reproduce sexually, and vice versa. So from this, we can only infer that his species does not reproduce asexually. If they could, why wouldn't they have done so long ago? Having only 2, at most, guardians of Cosmo Canyon alive(and able to fight) at a time doesn't seem like a smart idea, if they have an alternative to it.

oh my GOD!!! are you actually kiddin with that, i said that for a JOKE!! you know, a J.O.K.E!!!!!!!!! can't you undestand!?? I didnt say it so i could hear some long blown, hugely unnecessarily detailled scientific explanation about reproduction in a species that doesn't even exist!!! god man/woman, whatever you are, get a life!

Ahem. I'm sorry, I thought you were serious. And you're right...I am a god woman. Glad someone finally realized this
Ya know, I never even thought to look at the tattoo. But it does say XIII...Highwind, your theory is actually the most interesting one I've heard yet. That's always possible. Plus, that could explain why Nanaki says that Bugenhagen is his grandfather. It could be the truth. And it would explain why we are given the impression that his mother, while she fought bravely, fell so long before Seto did that Nanaki knew about it. Yes, that is entirely plausible. Well done, dude.

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Quote (Rhea @ 1st July 2006 02:13)

Ahem. I'm sorry, I thought you were serious.

You don't need to apologize (haha can't spell it, I wonder why...) to him, he should to you.

So then, Nanaki is in the final cut-scene and that's his children. Now I'm guessing that he had those cubs really late in his life - as in only 15 or so years before the ending. So his search for a mate really lasted long didn't it?

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

Quote (sweetdude @ 1st July 2006 11:59)

So then, Nanaki is in the final cut-scene and that's his children. Now I'm guessing that he had those cubs really late in his life - as in only 15 or so years before the ending. So his search for a mate really lasted long didn't it?

Yeah very good point. I think that Squaresoft has made a very big mistake with this ending.

Quote (Rhea @ 1st July 2006 02:13)

Ahem. I'm sorry, I thought you were serious. And you're right...I am a god woman. Glad someone finally realized this

no, i'm the bastard who should be sorry, i took a dig at you when you were just trying to help. I was trying to be funny, but i clearly dont have a clue what is funny and whats stupid, and i thought i could just come on without actually listening to others and add a cocky little comment, then i tried to rip u for no good reason. weather you beleive me or not i seriously regret saying that and i dont mean any of it, i didn't actually come on here to purposefully be a bastard, but i guess thats how its turned out

Quote (Hamedo @ 30th June 2006 13:48)

You didn't say you were joking, or put a smiley face or anything next to your words to imply it.  We can't read your mind, you know. 

The way I read your first post, I assumed you were serious, as probably everyone else did.  Rhea wasn't rude in her reply to you, choosing instead to be logical and polite.  Neither of those attributes can be given to your most recent reply, though.

Concerning your "get a life" comment, I find that funny.  If commenting on games and their storylines is so lame, then why are you here... and why did you even take the time to post here in the first place?

you're right, and im sorry. as you say about commenting on here maybe its me who should get a life

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No need to post over and over to do this, one post would have been fine. I'll edit them together. Heh, and after a month and a half it's probably been forgotten anyway. -R51

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 21st August 2006 16:31

Has anyone thought that he could have hidden his cubs before he was captured by Hojo he was 47 he could have had cubs before then.

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Bugenhagen explains that even though Nanaki is 47, he's only about 16 in terms of his people's lifespan -- he's very young, so cubs before Hojo are doubtful. Even though his race is seemingly wiped out, there may be a few around that we haven't seen; FFVII is limited in scope to the human world for the most part. Even in AC we didn't see much of him.

As for Square making a mistake, not really. The animals that Red resembles (cat/dog/lion thingy) are known for having multiple litters, and given Nanaki's lifespan (500 years later...) I doubt he's had only fathered one litter. He could be head of a pack and these are just the youngest of the bunch -- not necessarily his. The point of the original FMV was to show that the Earth had won the day and survived, as had Nanaki and his species. What was left up in the air was whether or not humans were worthy to have survived. That question is answered with AC.

Hojo says Red is the last of his species, but Hojo tells more than lies. Who knows maybe 500 years later they could have invented a way to make a new one of his species through genetical experiments. Wtf...

SoZ. Grammar.

This post has been edited by FireStorm on 30th August 2006 09:21

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