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The film has just been released here in the UK. And I have seen it for the first time. Well actually I've seen it twice already.

What's everyone's thoughts on it?

I think it was a pretty good film. Not brilliant but entertaining nonetheless.

Good points:
I love the huge battle between the whole team and Bahumut, very cool.
Music. I really enjoyed the music treatment throughout.
They seemed to get all the voices pretty much right and the characters were done very well in general.
Most of the favourite characters were in it, woohoo! They all totally rock bar one, which brings me to...

Bad Points:
Cait Sith. Why? His absence would have been so much better. Just pointless.
Also, I think they could have done a better story but I enjoyed it anyway.


All round it was definately good stuff, but certainly not as legendary as the game. And Sephiroth seemed to be beaten a bit too easily and quickly for my liking, as I've always thought him to be the toughest bad guy in history.

And erm, Dilly Dally Shilly Shally? Wha?

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Hm, never mind, I think the topic I was looking for was one of the ones that got lost. My bad. -R51

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Cait Sith. Why? His absence would have been so much better. Just pointless

Cait Sith is a character from the original FF7, so he had to work his way in somehow, no matter what anyone ever says. I, for one, like Cait (^^") and wish he did more than ride Red and tell Yuffie to be quiet once or twice.

I haven't seen the English version yet, just the Japanese. I do plan on watching the English version ASAP, tho.

I've only seen the Japanese version too (with English subtitles) but it seems very cool. I can't wait to get it in English.

Only problem, though, is that it moves very quickly. They don't say who Denzel is, they don't explain geostigma, etc. Could this have added to the unfinished idea of FF7? I'm not sure.

The thing about Sephiroth being beaten too quickly, though, makes sense, because Sephy was at normal form, Cloud didn't have anything bad inside his head, and Cloud is two years stronger than the game. The only thing that surprises me about that is that Bahamut seems so much stronger than Sephy.

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Squenix games completed:

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FFVII
FFIX
FFX
FF Tactics: Advance 2
Chrono Trigger
Dragon Quest 8
Dragon Quest 11
Super Mario RPG

Vincent explains geostigma very well when you first see him in the movie. It all makes perfect sense, watch it when you see it in English and you will see.

Denzel I can only assume in just one of the orphans but a popular one.

And Bahamut is the King of Dragons, I like it that he was so tough. But I think Sephy should have been tougher considering. Oh well, best not to complain. Was a cool battle anyway.

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I just saw it about 3 days ago in the US. I personally thought is was a pretty good movie.

PROS
1. They didn't waste a lot of time on senseless dialogue like many movies do.
2. The characters, for the most part, fit the personalities and reacted the way you think they would.
3. The graphics were....phenominal in addition to Cloud's bike that had 6 swords on it to choose from.
4. The Turks were great. I now have more respect for them.

CONS
1. Cloud's eyes looked funny. I wished he kept his sunglasses on.
2. Cait Sith seemed to be, if anything, slowing Nanaki down in the battle with Bahamut.
3. I personally didn't think they made the battle with Sephiroth epic enough. I guess I shouldn't complain too much though - the battle with Sephiroth in FFVII wasn't very epic either.

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When i watched AC i found they moved the camera quite a bit.
But red didn't talk all that much and when he did he sounded weird *even if he was like 54? 44? out of 550 years old? Well the voice sounded young.
Yes i only saw the Japanese one bet the english one is gonna be disgusting and Fatman is right the Sephiroth fight scene shoulda been longer and more challenging.

1 BIG QUESTION
What happened to the other 2 brothers when one shot Cloud? CLoud fainted and that was the end?

This post has been edited by Dragon King on 12th July 2006 03:33

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after cloud gets shot cloud tries to finish them but hes blown up by their materia

Geez, a nigh-apocalyptic battle that messes up old Midgar wasn't enough? Meh.

Anyway, I haven't seen the English version , but it doesn't look like they downright butchered the voices, so that's good. I'll probably get the DVD for the extra crap, though I'm perfectly happy with the Japanese file on my computer. Or maybe it's the subliminal advertisements from CoN's banner ads...well, either way.

As for how I liked the movie, I thought it was okay. I definitely don't feel like watching it any more, though. Still, if somebody hasn't played the game before watching it, they'd be pretty confused. (I don't know why anyone would want to watch it if they didn't already play the game, but whatever.) So basically, the movie was meh. Lack of important Kitten Sith scenes made it lose points.

Kitten Sith should've had his Mog!

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Cait Sith's lack of a Moogle - Furry characters are very difficult to model and animate, especially in fast-paced sequences like the Bahamut battle. Given that they already had Cait Sith and Red XIII to model for that battle, they decided against the moogle (I read that somwhere).

If Cait Sith was the only main character absent, that would have caused more outrage.

Red XIII sounded young - Red XIII is young, at least for his species.

Quality of the dub/US voice actors. I don't really like the dub, but I watched the film in Japanese with subtitles countless times before I got the DVD, so I'm so used to the original voices that I simply hate the idea of them being different. Plus they all have really strong American accents - particularly Tifa & Marlene (again, that could be bad just because I'm used to the Japanese voices), but except for Cait Sith, who they made Scottish (??!?!!)

What happened to the other 2 brothers the one shot cloud: I think they used some kind of self destruct attack.

Who is Denzel: His parents were Shin-Ra executives who lived in Sector 7. his father was warned about the plan to drop the plate and went to get his wife, but they never made it out. Denzel stays with an old woman in Sector 6, but she dies when METEOR hits - they missed the warning to evacuate to the slums. Denzel ends up living in the Sector 7 slums with other orphans, earning food by scavenging Sector 7 for parts for the people who built the new city, Edge. One by one the other orphans leave for the new city, until he's the only one left. He stumbles onto Cloud at Aerith's church, and thats how he ends up with them. His story is told in 'On The Way to a Smile' - two set of stories about the events between the game and the film that were put up on the official Japanese Advent Children site. One set follows Denzel, and the other Tifa. There's a fan-translation of each here: http://www.ff7citadel.com/compilation/ac_smile.shtml

Sephiroth battle too easy: Simply put, Sephiroth cannot endure Cloud's ultimate Limit Break, Omnislash. It's how Cloud beats Sephiroth in the final batte of the game (always, that battle is scripted) and so it makes sense that its how he must beat him this time around (although this time its the new version, Omnislash v5). Anyway, just before he used it, Sephiroth was winning.

Bahamut stronger than Sephiroth? Cloud beat Bahamut reasonable easily (in the end with his 'Climhazzard' limit break) and without his 6-part sword in its final, fully-assembled form. By the end of his battle with Sephorith (up to being stabbed in the shoulder), he was weakening fast, barly able to parry Sephiroth's attacks.

"Dilly Dally Shilly Shally" - I hate that. That's how they chose to translate what Tifa actualy says - the word 'zurru' (sounds like that, anyway) eight times, which the first fansub I saw translated to 'drifting'. I don't know if that's what the word actually means.

And its definitely worth it to get the DVD - there's a good making of, which includes interviews with many of the senior FF staff, and 'Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII' - which is basically a compilation of in-game and FMV scenes (high res, Japanese game screens with re-translated English subtitles) from the game to re-tell all the key points of the story - a handy crash course for those who haven't played or completed the game (of course, its also the ultimate spoiler for those who haven't completed the game). Plus deleted/alternate scenes, all the trailers, and previews of the three new FFVII games - Before Crisis (mobile phone), Crisis Core (PSP), & Dirge of Cerberus (PS2).

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Geez, a nigh-apocalyptic battle that messes up old Midgar wasn't enough? Meh.

Anyway, I haven't seen the English version , but it doesn't look like they downright butchered the voices, so that's good. I'll probably get the DVD for the extra crap, though I'm perfectly happy with the Japanese file on my computer. Or maybe it's the subliminal advertisements from CoN's banner ads...well, either way.

As for how I liked the movie, I thought it was okay. I definitely don't feel like watching it any more, though. Still, if somebody hasn't played the game before watching it, they'd be pretty confused. (I don't know why anyone would want to watch it if they didn't already play the game, but whatever.) So basically, the movie was meh. Lack of important Kitten Sith scenes made it lose points.

Kitten Sith should've had his Mog!

Yes but dont forget i think it was Tseng controlling the big fat moogle, and in the helicopter the 3 bros well you know "killed" them well they didn't but did a number on him and Elena.

Hmmm that doen't prove it i guess really.So i'd have to say Tseng or whoever was controlling Cait Sith did work for Shin-Ra so he probably went back to his normal Shin-Ra life

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Cait Sith's lack of a Moogle - Furry characters are very difficult to model and animate, especially in fast-paced sequences like the Bahamut battle. Given that they already had Cait Sith and Red XIII to model for that battle, they decided against the moogle (I read that somwhere).

If Cait Sith was the only main character absent, that would have caused more outrage.

Red XIII sounded young - Red XIII is young, at least for his species.

Quality of the dub/US voice actors. I don't really like the dub, but I watched the film in Japanese with subtitles countless times before I got the DVD, so I'm so used to the original voices that I simply hate the idea of them being different. Plus they all have really strong American accents - particularly Tifa & Marlene (again, that could be bad just because I'm used to the Japanese voices), but except for Cait Sith, who they made Scottish (??!?!!)

What happened to the other 2 brothers the one shot cloud: I think they used some kind of self destruct attack.

Who is Denzel: His parents were Shin-Ra executives who lived in Sector 7. his father was warned about the plan to drop the plate and went to get his wife, but they never made it out. Denzel stays with an old woman in Sector 6, but she dies when METEOR hits - they missed the warning to evacuate to the slums. Denzel ends up living in the Sector 7 slums with other orphans, earning food by scavenging Sector 7 for parts for the people who built the new city, Edge. One by one the other orphans leave for the new city, until he's the only one left. He stumbles onto Cloud at Aerith's church, and thats how he ends up with them. His story is told in 'On The Way to a Smile' - two set of stories about the events between the game and the film that were put up on the official Japanese Advent Children site. One set follows Denzel, and the other Tifa. There's a fan-translation of each here: http://www.ff7citadel.com/compilation/ac_smile.shtml

Sephiroth battle too easy: Simply put, Sephiroth cannot endure Cloud's ultimate Limit Break, Omnislash. It's how Cloud beats Sephiroth in the final batte of the game (always, that battle is scripted) and so it makes sense that its how he must beat him this time around (although this time its the new version, Omnislash v5). Anyway, just before he used it, Sephiroth was winning.

Bahamut stronger than Sephiroth? Cloud beat Bahamut reasonable easily (in the end with his 'Climhazzard' limit break) and without his 6-part sword in its final, fully-assembled form. By the end of his battle with Sephorith (up to being stabbed in the shoulder), he was weakening fast, barly able to parry Sephiroth's attacks.

"Dilly Dally Shilly Shally" - I hate that. That's how they chose to translate what Tifa actualy says - the word 'zurru' (sounds like that, anyway) eight times, which the first fansub I saw translated to 'drifting'. I don't know if that's what the word actually means.

And its definitely worth it to get the DVD - there's a good making of, which includes interviews with many of the senior FF staff, and 'Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII' - which is basically a compilation of in-game and FMV scenes (high res, Japanese game screens with re-translated English subtitles) from the game to re-tell all the key points of the story - a handy crash course for those who haven't played or completed the game (of course, its also the ultimate spoiler for those who haven't completed the game). Plus deleted/alternate scenes, all the trailers, and previews of the three new FFVII games - Before Crisis (mobile phone), Crisis Core (PSP), & Dirge of Cerberus (PS2).

Nice post, I like it.

One other minor question springs to mind.

I thought Sephiroth killed Tseng. Everyone remember the scene where they almost have the black materia from the temple, and Sephiroth runs a sword through Tseng and tells him to join the planet?

He seemed pretty dead to me. Or am I mistaken?

Although I admit when your party finally get to that location, there is no body.
I guess I just assumed he was dead, hmm.

Also I would have much prefered it if the two brothers would have been killed by the huge explosion Reno and Rude set up but I guess I am just being picky now.
I honestly do think this is a great film over all.

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Actually, I believe it was a translation error that led us to believe Tseng died, which was fixed for the PC version. (Or so I'm told.) Still, Rufus surviving was alot more less believable, to me.

Meh. SE can do what they want with their characters anyway.

And yeah, the Mog would've taken up space, I suspected. Oh well. I still miss Kitten Sith's Mog.

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And, Reeve controls Kitten Sith, not Tseng. Reeve-witten!! =3

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Considering Cait Sith was a character controlled by another I would have understood if he hand't been in the movie. For now it just doesn't make much sense. So the dude controlling him picked up his controller for a few more battles? Why? In the original he was supposed to be a spy and then basically defected, but his usefulness ended there and I would think the bot would have been dismantled or put away or something. You know, cause he's not real anyway....

But anyway, I haven't seen it yet... I do plan on buying it later this week if I can. I must must must must have it!

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Apart from "Dilly Dally Shilly Shally", a line I thought was unreasonably corny, I loved the movie. Maybe it was purely for nostalgic reasons, I mean, you should've seen the smile on my face when I saw Cid or Vincent, or heard the songs in the background, or how loudly I cursed at Aeris' scenes, cuz I mean, goddamn can't anyone just STAY dead these days?

Regardless, the story was definatly intruiging and a nice closing point on the development of Cloud, we know that he's at least come to terms with himself and can begin to finally start dealing with everything he's seen and gone through over the years. Still, I wish there was more backstory into pre-game time, to touch on some plot-holes and unanswered questions in the game, hopefully the other games will cover that though.

Did any one else die laughing when the Victory theme played after Tifa smashed Loz into the pile of benches and pews? That cracked me up for some reason.

I was glad to see Zack, even if it was only about 10 seconds total in the film.

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Nice post, I like it.

Not bad for a first post, ay?

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Considering Cait Sith was a character controlled by another I would have understood if he hand't been in the movie. For now it just doesn't make much sense. So the dude controlling him picked up his controller for a few more battles? Why?

The way I interpreted it, Cait Sith wasn't controlled by Reeve in a remote control every action and word kind of way, but more in a just obeys instructions from Reeve way.
I.e. he's reasonably self aware and can act on his own, but is just programmed to obey Reeve. Reeve might have been using him to help with the WRO and just told him to 'Go help Cloud & Co defeat Kadaj'. By the by, I heard that in Dirge of Cerberus Cait Sith 'will be playable for special "stealth" missions': http://www.blueshinra.com/reeve/encore.shtml#dc

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Did any one else die laughing when the Victory theme played after Tifa smashed Loz into the pile of benches and pews?

Hell Yes! I want that as a ringtone!

Did anyone else laugh when Reno & Rude first see Bahamut, and Reno belts Rude in the face with his shock stick? Or when Reno steps of Rude's sunglasses, and Rude just takes out a spare pair?

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That cell phone thing was hilarious. I would compare it to the viagra incident in Scary Movie 4. And I cracked up when Rude took out a spare pair of sunglasses. That was just...wow.

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cuz I mean, goddamn can't anyone just STAY dead these days?

I think the world decided in the Middle ages that no, they can't. All the witchcraft and zombie summoning and stuff.

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Squenix games completed:

FFIII
FFIV
FFVI
FFVII
FFIX
FFX
FF Tactics: Advance 2
Chrono Trigger
Dragon Quest 8
Dragon Quest 11
Super Mario RPG

Square TOTALLY RUINED the turks.
after being these cool, cold killers who "do it cause its their job" and who are always one step ahead of you to try and stop you in the game they've been turned into two clowns!!!
they fall over each other, they try to be funny but just use kids jokes, and rude has turned from a man of few words into a total LOSER!
before the turks would say things like "payback for what you did in sector 7" or "thats as far as you go" but now they can't even fight!
Nothing is good about the turks in ac they are a total JOKE and a waste of time.

i think the movie was great but why did they mostly show cut-scenes of airis with her hands clammped together i think that was pointless!!!

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Square TOTALLY RUINED the turks.
after being these cool, cold killers who "do it cause its their job" and who are always one step ahead of you to try and stop you in the game they've been turned into two clowns!!!
they fall over each other, they try to be funny but just use kids jokes, and rude has turned from a man of few words into a total LOSER!
before the turks would say things like "payback for what you did in sector 7" or "thats as far as you go" but now they can't even fight!
Nothing is good about the turks in ac they are a total JOKE and a waste of time.

No they didn't. The turks were, after all, just humans. Loz and Yazoo were essentially Sephiclones, with a certain degree of his power, meaning that the turks were outclassed. Besides, the whole film needed some comic relief, and Reno is still the best character in the film ^^

No because Shin-Ra has to repay the world for the mako they stole.So the turks were kinda helping CLoud

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Arthas:Shut up you damned ghost.

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They completely ruined the Turks. Reno in the game was not a semi-adolescent moron. And as for being out-classed, very true. Except that the Turks in the game would never fight Sephiroth; they'd either avoid him or join him. Remeber Tseng in the game? Co-operated with Sephiroth until he was literally back-stabbed. Remember the first time you were invited to have a drink with Rude in that bar in Junon?

My point is that the Turks - aside from Elena - were mid-life frustrated workers that we all either related to or liked. They formed the third main players in the world, the others being AVALANCHE and Sephiroth. In the film, far from being significant players, they were mere flies on Shin-ra's rotting carcass.

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[...] Did anyone else laugh when Reno & Rude first see Bahamut, and Reno belts Rude in the face with his shock stick? Or when Reno steps of Rude's sunglasses, and Rude just takes out a spare pair?

I did.

Reno was pretty cool.

Anyways, I loved the movie. I did think that Sephiroth was beaten quite quickly, but I still enjoyed the battle. And I'm probably the only one who almost cried over the scene with Kadaj and Cloud after that. ;

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My brother got it a few days ago, and I watched it then.
I didn't really enjoy it because they forgot to write a story. I started getting bored and started missing some of the action because of it, so I had to start playing a game where I tried spotting the stuff from the game (materia, limits, sword models, etc) in order to pay attention.

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That's debatable. I think there were quite a few story elements going on through the movie. But it wasn't told the way films usually tell them, so you have to pay attention.

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I saw AC the other night for the first time, after much prodding from a fanboyish co-worker. I didn't expect much of it. Didn't get much out of it. The animation was quite good, but as a film...no. Just no. The voice acting was awful--the 'actors' sounded as if they were reading from cue-cards. Ben Stein is more exciting. As for the plot--I won't say there is no plot, only that Squeenix abandoned it about half an hour in, apparently to dazzle us with over-the-top action scenes. Which didn't impress me. I don't mind having totally jacked-up physics in a fantasy world, so long as the rules they do have are consistent.

Examples:

spoilers!!

Cloud gets shot, point blank, in the face in the beginning of the flick, only to be scratched. Cloud gets shot by the same gun later, and drops.

Cloud needs his buddies to help him get to Bahamut (which was corny as best to begin with), but against ol' Sephy, has no problems making Herculean leaps.

Three bad points:

Turks were just... awful
As mentioned above, inconsistencies
Barret looks completely different (he's not as MASSIVE as he was)

Three good points:

Cloud and Sephiroth were done perfectly, hands down
The fighting was excellent and should have replaced the storyline throughout
The new music is SO GOOD - it gives me hope that Squeenix can still make new yet brilliant additions to their games without destroying them (a la Turks)

I think we should focus on the finer points of the film because it is too easy to say "it was crap" or "I wish they hadn't made it" when it is actually very good. Having said all this, I still am very stung that they didn't spend this time/money on a PS3 remake... but let's just forget about that.

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I loved almost everything about the movie. I loved the music even more. I favored the new Jenova theme most though. I loved the cell phone ringtone! After listening to that 100 thousand times while playing the game, it would make you really want to answer your phone. But Sephy was way to easy to beat for me though...and his last words? I thought they did a good job picking the voices though. Save for Red XIII and Cait Sith imo.

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I thought they did a good job picking the voices though. Save for Red XIII and Cait Sith imo.

Yeah i know Red XII only talked like once cus Caity did most of it but red sounded handy

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Arthas:Shut up you damned ghost.

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*sigh* So I went looking for Advent Children and everyone was sold out, except at Best Buy where all they had was the PSP version. I had it in my hands, but decided to put it down and wait for them to restock the DVD. $36.00 just isn't worth the price of the PSP version at all....

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$36 dollars!? Where do you buy your PSP games, Tiffany's?

I was reaaaally dissapointed in Advent Children. I dont know what I was expecting, but maybe my tastes in everything media matured since that faithful day back in 1997 (damn Im old) where Final Fantasy VII rocked my casbah harder than Joe Strummer with a plastic whiffle ball bat.

I digress though, and I am quite excited for the slew of games that are going to be released soon, but the expectations are so high that it's almost a sure thing to dissapoint.. but.. maybe because Im excited but know they're going to suck, it means that my expectations are actually really low and grounded, so anything that's half decent will be a good time...

Im done now, I think.

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