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I was reading the article concerning the Pink Puffs and the adamant armor and somebody was talking about the armor, how great it was and even it couldn't save Edge's poor magic defense.

I've played this game through several times since it's US release and one thing I've defintely come to know: Edge kinda sucks.

When he has decent back row attack weapons, I can tolerate him a little bit more... but the end of the game, with his final weapons... just not impressed. Being a low defense, high agility fighting character, you'd hope for more damage from the regular attack command. Nope, you don't get it. Well... his attack isn't the hottest, but he has offensive magic. This is true, and it's not that great. Well, his offensive magic may not be the greatest, but he defensive spells in his repertoire. They're not that good either.

So far we have substandard attack, ineffective offensive magic and not so helpful defensive magic. Anything else? His defense is crap... to both physical and magic. I find myself reviving and healing him way too much for my taste, the spoiled prince needs to pull his own weight.

So... are there any positve elements to this character? Two weapons is pretty neat, be better if it did more damage He's an integral part of the story so we can count that as a postive.

What it really boils down to... Edge isn't very good (like how I put that nicely?). His throw command is indeed very good and very damaging, considering you have ammunition. But you can dupe Excalibur!!!! You can, but I don't... kind of ruins that for me. Basically, you get a crappy character with the throw ability.

End of rant.

I only hate him because of his inability to steal anything whatsoever.

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Edge does suck. He is the first to die, no matter who goes my party. You can't give him a shield. The ninja magics aren't really good for anything later in the game. "Throw" does good damage, but there isn't much in your inventory to choose from. The success rate of "Steal" is embarassing. He's a pedophile too.

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I just use him to throw my duplicated Excaliburs, but when he dies against Zeromus, I don't bother to revive him.

Ugh, stealing the Dark Matter takes like 3 hours...

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He isn't so bad if you get him up to the same level as Cecil. He still isn't great, but the suck factor isn't as high.

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Although he is much weaker than either Cecil or Kain, his speed makes up for it. I don't remember the original SNES version too well, but I remember being pleasantly surprised during my FFIV Advance playthrough. Edge had almost twice as many turns as the other two did. With Haste and Bersk in effect, he quickly becomes a powerhouse, dealing heaps of damage very rapidly. Until Cecil can deal twice as much damage as Edge, I find him to be almost my most useful character.

Not to mention he can cast haste on himself after he gets that one katana (Masamune, was it?).

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I never had too much of a problem with Edge. Sure he dies a bit more often, but his speed more than makes up for it. As for his damage, if I recall, he was doing about as much damage as my heavy hitters

Edge's power is lower than Cecil's, but his speed makes up for it. Just like Edward, who sucks until you use him in the back row and get his good equipment, Edge needs a lil' catering to and then he's good to go. Haste + Berserk make him into a real demon, and his thrown items do quite a lot of damage.

I only wish his other abilities were better. His steal rate is too low to be any useful, and his Ninja spells aren't all that great. Image is awesome though, and saved my rear plenty of times.

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I'll admit... hasted and zerked, he's not so bad. That's pretty much what I use him for. I suppose he's pretty good for obtaining Artemis arrows too, though that gets old pretty quick.

Regardless... his defense and survivability leave a bit to be desired.

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I have always found a way to use edge even without the item duping trick
in FFIV hardtype i had bought a ton of shirukens (best ones can't remember what they're called). I had 99 at the start of the battle against zeromus, i casted haste, and the had him throw shurikens till the cows came home.

Edge did about 6000+ each throw, having more turns than any other character. which made him deal the most damage. So i do not believe Edge is useless many just don't know how to utilize Edge.

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Pretty much everything I wanted to say has been said already. Edge has a mediocre but decent attack power, but distinctly lacks good offensive magic (by the endgame, it's only good for fighting those black puddings on the moon's surface) and sucks at both physical and magical defense. In a typical battle, his only redeeming aspect is Dart (a.k.a. Throw), which deals decent damage even for crappy weapons partly because it ignores defense.

Other than that, I also used Edge to stock up on Ethers. When I was leveling up Rydia solo, I'd occasionally revive Edge while fighting lamias (or something like that), and since FFIV allows infinite steals, I'd keep on Sneaking Ethers from the lamias until he got KOed, then I'd end the battle with Rydia getting all the experience.

Plus, Edge is an arrogant fool who hits on Rydia. He deserves to be flamed just on the basis of that.

This post has been edited by Glenn Magus Harvey on 27th March 2006 21:16

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Edge... that stupid ninja
Totally useless... I do prefer play with his death body at my side...
I would say th worst character in a game i've ever played


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Quote (The fabulous As15 @ 19th March 2006 15:19)

Edge... that stupid ninja
Totally useless... I do prefer play with his death body at my side...
I would say th worst character in a game i've ever played

Worst ever? That's way too harsh, chief.

I don't understand all of this Edge hatred. In the original, he's damn fragile. I'll admit that. But he's also a solid attacker in the front row, a not-awful magic user thanks to Smoke and Image (Flame/Flood/Blitz is nice for flan-type enemies, but that's about it), and Dart/Throw is undeniably useful in boss battles. In FF IV Advance, Edge is only surpassed by Cecil and Kain as physical fighters.

You can hate him all you want, and he is certainly not as good as Cecil or Kain, but I think that most of the badmouthing on this thread is prejudice and not logic talking.

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Quote (laszlow @ 19th March 2006 15:27)

You can hate him all you want, and he is certainly not as good as Cecil or Kain, but I think that most of the badmouthing on this thread is prejudice and not logic talking.

Agreed. Most of the people who hate Edge only consider him in comparison to Kain and Cecil. Just because Edge isn't as good as they are doesn't make him a worthless addition to the team.

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Quote (Caesar @ 18th March 2006 20:45)

Not to mention he can cast haste on himself after he gets that one katana (Masamune, was it?).

Wait a minute...He can cast Haste after he gets this weapon? It's automatically cast on himself as an effect of the weapon, or it becomes a spell for him to cast while he's using the sword? Didn't notice this before, but then again, I didn't use that sword for very long before I got a better one in the Lunar Ruins.

Well, I know that the Masamune in FFII can cast Haste, and in FFV it lets the wielder get a turn right off the bat. I never knew that! Is it like an "Auto-Haste" kind of effect? (I usually dupe another Masamune for Edge for optimal attack power. At least for him.)

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I guess I should've been more specific. It's in-battle use as an item casts Haste, just like how the White/Holy Lance casts White/Holy when it's used as an item. So Edge can Haste himself without using any MP or anything, thanks to that weapon.

And since he's crazy fast anyways, the turn he lost when he cast haste doesn't matter too much.

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Haha...Anti-Edge thread.

I never really liked Edge. The best way I can stand him is to give him two boomerangs and keep him in the back until you loose Kain. He's seemed more like a liability then anything. Sure he's fast, but what's the point in speed if all he can do is smack the enemy with his swords for mediocore damage?

By the way, I don't dupe Excalibers. Cheaters, I'll still beat the game the old fashioned way.

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Quote (Caesar @ 20th March 2006 22:06)

I guess I should've been more specific. It's in-battle use as an item casts Haste, just like how the White/Holy Lance casts White/Holy when it's used as an item. So Edge can Haste himself without using any MP or anything, thanks to that weapon.

But won;t that leave you without a Masamune? A pretty hefty loss if you ask me. Unless I'm not getting the use thing. I like Edge, more in the GBA version. Unfortunatly, I've never stolen anything. I used to think that no one could steal in that game, as the SNES name is "sneak", and I would hurt myself a bit.

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Quote (Barrylocke @ 21st March 2006 13:40)

But won;t that leave you without a Masamune? A pretty hefty loss if you ask me....

Not quite. In the SNES or PS1 versions it isn't out of the question to unequip the Masamune, cast Haste, and then reequip it to begin the ass-kicking. In the GBA version the Masamune is only Edge's fourth-strongest weapon, so no worries there.

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I don't understand why people hate Edge so much. He starts out 10-20 levels below the other characters, so yeah, he's going to be weak at first. Are y'all not levelling him at all, because he catches up pretty quickly. On equal footing, Edge's attack is slightly better than Kain's, and Throw is MUCH better than Jump, once you buy some Ninja Stars from Kokhol. The only problem I ever have is those fights against King/Ging-Ryu, because he gets hurt worse than the others when hit by their lightning attack, since he's the only one without a piece of armor that specifically defends against the element.

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I've (definitely) noticed he steals better at higher level. (He's at level 99 now.) What determines his steal success? I've heard higher levels, agility, etc. Does anyone know?

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I have to agree with everyone else that Edge is frquently a major liability. Anytime magic is used against him (especially Heat Ray from the Red Dragons) he takes catastrophic damage when no one else does. You almost have to dedicate many of Rosa's turns just to heal him before he dies.

Granted Kain isn't much more useful because of his low powered attacks but his jump ability helps him avoid some damage. On top of that, his Dragoon gear is excellent elemental defense with very good physical defense as well. You don't have to waste a lot of turns healing him.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with a 3-person party just consisting of Rosa, Rydia, and Cecil. You could even omit Rosa if Cecil or Rydia could use the Cure4 or Life2 spells. That's all she's good for. Let Golbez keep her.

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yea... edge is pretty horrible my people were like lvl idk 40-50 and he was lvl 21 ughhhh the only tolerating thing is that hes a ninja and ninjas own

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I perfer his speed to anyone elses but I have always disliked how quick he falls in battle.

Cool character though. Love the attitude.

In the original I'd duplicate the Masamune, so Edge would dual-wield Masamunes. After that, Edge was second only to Cecil in terms of physical attack damage. Plus I love his magic (at least for a while; it's very useful in the Sylvan Cave for using his magic + Rydia's to take out multiple enemies).

In FFIV Advance, I've got Edge (fairly) maxed out to 255 physical attack. Plus he's EXTREMELY fast, so he really is a powerhouse in his own right.

Oh, and he's a cool character.

So no, Edge doesn't suck.

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Quote (The_Pink_Nu1 @ 29th March 2006 02:31)

In the original I'd duplicate the Masamune, so Edge would dual-wield Masamunes.

I thought you could only duplicate things that Cecil could equip...and he can't equip the Masamune.

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You can duplicate any item that can be equipped in a character's left or right hand. (I also duped two Masamunes for him, made him quite powerful. )

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Surprised I didnt spot this thread at a earlier date but anyways.


Edge... Edge... where to start?

Probably the earliest example of a "Pimp" in the FF series which fails at every single turn he takes. But on the battlefield its a different story alltogether - I can agree with a few things..

• Sucky Defense?
• Mediocre Attack?

Well, yeah. Up until he hits around Level 50-55 and gets his hands on the Sealed Weapons (Murasame, Masamune) then he can throw out damage on par (if not, even more) then Cecil or Kain, due to both of those weapons having no elemental nature they hit anything and everything for its full potential damage. Which brings us to his defensive capabilities...

..Ninjitsu.

I might be a minority, but, I use his Pin and Blink spell as much as I possibly can in battle..

Pin - Can stop a single target from acting for a period of time.
Blink - Effectively makes his Evade 100% for 2 attacks directed at him.

How arent they useful? lol But the fact remains that behind those shadows and those cool looking Ninja robes he is basically a wet sheet of paper. As mentioned above by DP he falls victim to most major monster attacks you encounter once you get to the later parts of the game .. otherwise he holds his own pretty good.

Not very anti-Edge, but, was passing by and figured I'd have a say lol.

Quote (Barrylocke @ 21st March 2006 18:40)

But won;t that leave you without a Masamune? A pretty hefty loss if you ask me. Unless I'm not getting the use thing. I like Edge, more in the GBA version. Unfortunatly, I've never stolen anything. I used to think that no one could steal in that game, as the SNES name is "sneak", and I would hurt myself a bit.

When you use a weapon as a "use" item in FFIV the weapon doesn't break like in other FF games I know of. Thus Edge can cast Haste on himself for free as many times as he wants. If Masamune can caste haste.

I can't think of a reason not to like Edge(pervy attitude aside, ugh no shinobi should be that lovesick, ever) He is easily the most versitile fighter in the game! just give him a healing spell and he could probably beat the game on his own! I have never used the Item dupe trick once and could never think of going into battle without him.

The biggest thing I see wrong here is some of you don't seem to level Edge up at all.Once he is about up to where he should be level wise he becomes much much insanely better(please pardon my grammar).

Steal/Sneak is based on his level so the "edge can't steal" thing is solved by leveling up, and higher levels= more hp, more defense, better evasion and of course less carrying around a dead ninja.

Most enemies I fight can't touch Edge and if they can I just Image and he instantly turns into MC Hammer (only way cooler). Also he gets elemental spells that are a little (and only a little) less effective than the lv3 elemental spells. I always use these to waste less tough enemies instead wasting the mp of my better spellcasters. If I have to he can even function as a tank in the front row by soaking up attacks with Image.

And ninjutsu really helps when you're trying to get the extra summons for Rydia. Manually killing all those goblins takes way to long.Eat Blitz!!!

You may say his stats are bad, but you don't need defense when you can't get hit, and you don't need to deal a bazillion damage overkill when you attack an enemy


I don't know about the Masamune-Haste thing, but I do know if its true that means that the only thing wrong with this jack of all trades is his attitude (then again you can't blame him...look at his parents! jkjk...okay sorry that was mean..)

Sorry if I ranted,raved and/or ticked anyone off by misinforming, being ignorant and/or insulting anyone...
sorry again