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I jsut want to hear people's opinions on the most controversial part of the game which would be my favorite videogame character of all time. What do you think? Hero or Villain? Savior or Murderer? I'll throw out my answer on my next post.

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I'm guessing you're talking about ...

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After you complete the game and Delita kills Ovelia for his own self gain after the credits

So there's no question, he's a villain. Not to the extent of the guys like the Shrine Knights, though.



This post has been edited by BullsOnParade on 2nd March 2006 04:00

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"The only bad F-word is FCC." - Tom Morello

Despite the fact that he is oft-at odds w/Ramza I never really consider him a villain.
Perhaps it's just a cop-out on my part, but......"He is simply guided by a different moral compass."

An English teacher once said of a very impacting world event: "It's people expressing a humane point of view in an inhumane fashion."

I believe this applies to Delita. To him, what he did was right and just and was what needed to be done to redeem himself, his class, and I believe most notably, Teta. I don't believe he's a villain or hero, or murderer or saviour. He was a visionary in his own mind - he had a goal and would stop at nothing until he reached it. The way I see it,

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Delita did not wish to be king simply to rule, but rather to essentially laugh in the face of anyone who ever looked down on him and "his kind." I find it quite ironic that of all the people to end his life, it was Ovelia.

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Greg

I don't believe that villains have to necessarily be evil, but lets face it, Delita did his fair share of scheming and backstabbing throughout the story, not to mention stealing all the credit for Ramza's hard work. Regardless of Delita's motivations, if that ain't villainy, I don't know what is.

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"He is simply guided by a different moral compass."

Villains usually are, aren't they?

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I'm not going to say that I would necessarily call his actions "noble", "good", or "pure".....more likely I'd call them "Shady". However, take for example the fact that he takes credit for the actions of Ramza. Ramza has been outed and essentially will never be redeemed. Delita, being well aware of this fact, simply takes advantage of this. Delita isn't the one summoning evil Demons to slaughter innocents.....he simply doesn't want to be used as he has seen others be

Above all, Delita appears to be human. He basically does what a lot of noteable historical figures have done throughout our past, yes, he manipulated, lied to and betrayed a good many people, but in the end, it was for their own benefit. If not for Delita meddling around with things, Goltana and Larg would've probably survived much longer and their wars would have claimed more lives, nevermind any Zodiac Brave rammifications.

I don't consider him a hero, but a definate revolutionary.

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Okay, but there was a goat!

Ambivalence. I respect Delita for taking on an unfair world. I may not agree with his credo of 'the end justifies the means', but that's besides the point. I suppose it's kinda like Abe Lincon, he suspended haebus corpus to sustain the Union. Was suspending it right? No, but was the goal right? Damn straight.

However...

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He killed (maybe) Ovelia. She, being my favorite character, dying trumps my respect for Delita. Especially if he did actually love her.

So I guess he's a hero. I respect what he had done with his life, but that doesn't mean I have to like him. Although history would have been wiped clean of Delita's unsavory deeds. History is written by the victors after all.

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So if you're done reading this, you know I have nothing to say and you've wasted your time. Thank you come again.

He was certaintly a hero in his own right. In all honesty, which do you think is better: another drawn out conflict or war (50 years again perhaps) or

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The war being ended relatively shortly (by Delita) with actually very few people dead directly by his actions/influences?

It seems like a no brainer for me. So isn't Delita then a hero for the common people? Granted,

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we no pretty much nothing of his policies or performance as king, but from what is implied things don't turn out too bad.

Is he the same kind of "hero" as Ramza? Absolutely not. But does Ramza define the term hero? No again. Also, pretty much no one gets on top without a little deception, and Delita is no exception. So, a definition of hero is pretty much required for an opinion here. However, I do believe he is a hero.

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[/QUOTE]Delita did not wish to be king simply to rule, but rather to essentially laugh in the face of anyone who ever looked down on him and "his kind." I find it quite ironic that of all the people to end his life, it was Ovelia.[QUOTE]-Perigryn

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Ovelia does not kill Delita. It's the other way around

This post has been edited by ArcnightDelita on 2nd March 2006 21:18

oops double post

This post has been edited by ArcnightDelita on 2nd March 2006 21:17

I find therein lies the beauty of FFT - there is no one that is absolutely, above all, a hero.

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Greg

very true now that I think about it.

Hero or Villain? Savior or Murderer? That's a four-way cut that's hard to paint in black and white. He demonstrates the perseverance and single-mindedness that would help him achieve his goal (hero); he's rather ruthless and unscrupulous in achieving his goals (villain). His plots don't require him to kill everyone in his path, as he's pulling strings all over once he gets a mouthful of power (savior); and, well, he's privy to a few high-profile "executions," the last being quite famous (murderer). Of course, Ramza falls into the same categories, and even though he's fighting for his beliefs and to save the one he loves (Alma), Delita's doing the exact same thing, albeit with different means. As a matter of fact, Ramza can be viewed as a naive meddler with ease. Hyral just seems more the villain type because his motives usually come off as selfish.

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I find therein lies the beauty of FFT - there is no one that is absolutely, above all, a hero.

Preach it.

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Yeah, I suppose that is true. Meddlesome little Ramza... Another good way to look at it that I never really thought of. Good point, Shotty.

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Games on the Go
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy: Four Warriors of Light
Baldur's Gate

Too much to play, so little time!

Greg

hmph - you took what I was going to say, that he isn't one or the other -but all of them at the same time. Which is what makes him so great. He is absolutely a savior - he rescued a kingdom from one of two possibilities: a) a decade of warring or beings from hell being resurrected and what he did in his life certainly makes him a hero. But he also used whatever means necessary, which kind of stains it - and leaves you wondering if he's truly a hero or a villain.

btw

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I believe that while Ovelia stabs Delita in the end, he does not die, though I think she does from the return blow.

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Delita could DEFINITLEY be called an anti-hero. A hero who does what is right for the people and put an end to war, and bring about peace to his kingdom; using, spiting, and killing people to be the king in the first place. I really like Delita, hero or villain, but I'm partial to Ramza.

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Delita is vile.

Selfish... self serving... a murderer, liar, and more.

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To me delita is both hero and villian.Sure he seemed like he was helping ramza,but he kept a lot of secrets from him.

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