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Firstly, before you post here, check for any spelling, grammatical or punctuation mistakes.

Does anybody cry? Do you cry? When you see a comma being used in the sentence ''Carrot,s for sale'', do you cry?

Is everyone with me when I say our current generation has degraded punctuaton to a level where someone will commonly write ''Its a fun day today''?

Please post your name down and talk about punctuation. Join our group today; we will burn down chavs' homes and staple apostrophes to their heads.

In other words, this is the punctuation topic.

This post has been edited by Franz Kefka Palazzo on 5th March 2006 17:09

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I'm usually one of the first people to get snarky over bad grammar - but there's bad grammar, and then there're typos. It's sometimes iffy about which is which.

Here are some of the most common grammatical errors that infuriate me, though:

should of, would of, could of - NO NO NO!!! It's should have, would have, could have!!
There, they're, their - it amazes me how many people just don't know which is which. I sometimes use the wrong one myself, sometimes misuse is honestly come by, but some people just do it constantly. Over there. They're leaving. It's their ball.
To, too, two - *sigh* They're going to the store. That is too much. There are two swords.
is, are - When these two are misused I just want to scream! "How many are there?" not how many is there. My god. Is that so difficult? Consequently, did you see what I did in the first sentence of this post? Let's have another look.

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but there's bad grammar, and then there're  typoes

Many people would put "there's typoes." This would be wrong. "Are" is also commonly used where there is a plural present, though it's not limited to just that use of course. And "is" commonly refers to singulars. "There is a typo." There aretypoes." Got it, folks?

fish - the plural of fish is NOT "fishes." Okay, folks? The plural of fish is FISH!

Now I'm not saying my grammar is absolutely perfect. I do make mistakes from time to time, I'm willing to admit. Some people just don't seem to have a clue, however.

That's all for now, kids.

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fish - the plural of fish is NOT "fishes." Okay, folks? The plural of fish is FISH!

Actually, http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=fish says that either "fish" or "fishes" can be the plural of fish.

If I, like ultimage, assume that this is an overall grammar topic, I will hereby declare "u" (for "you"), "2" (for "to" or "too"), "hay" (for "hey"), "c" (for "see"), "b" (for "be"), "no" (for "know"), "nething" (for "anything"), and similar VERY ANNOYING AOL-speak misspellings to be crimes punishable by massively-multiplayer online humiliation.

Otherwise, I generally don't have too much problem with people misusing punctuation, except in a confusing way.

For example. putting a comma where a period should be. or a period where a comma should be. is very annoying to read,

Other than that, I merely have the grammarian debate over possessives of words ending in the letter s. I say the plural of "lens" is "lens's", consistent with the way other singular possessives are formed.

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Actually, http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=fish says that either "fish" or "fishes" can be the plural of fish

And they would be wrong. Dictionaries these days are into adding slang and "modern variances" of words and their uses. I'm pretty sure "Phat" and "Stoopid" and more than likely "Bling" have all made into dictionaries. They are meaningless, and probably invented purely to make fools out of the white folk that just lap up this kind of crap. But just because they're in the dictionary doesn't make them correct or proper words. "Fishes" is a variant, and improper grammatically. It's only in the dictionary cause so many people these days don't know any better.

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to be perfectly honest, i dont really care about punctuation in forums or on chat or anything like that. im a college student, and i try my best to write great papers, and i think i do a pretty good job of it. when im online, i dont give the damn. as long as i know my grammar is good when the situation calls for it, then its all good. we are just here to relax and talk about stuff, i dont think grammar should be that big a deal.....but thats just my opinion.

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Actually, http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=fish says that either "fish" or "fishes" can be the plural of fish

And they would be wrong. Dictionaries these days are into adding slang and "modern variances" of words and their uses. I'm pretty sure "Phat" and "Stoopid" and more than likely "Bling" have all made into dictionaries. They are meaningless, and probably invented purely to make fools out of the white folk that just lap up this kind of crap. But just because they're in the dictionary doesn't make them correct or proper words. "Fishes" is a variant, and improper grammatically. It's only in the dictionary cause so many people these days don't know any better.

If it's in that dictionary, yes. But if it's in the Oxford or Cambridge, guess what? Official. It's used so much it's part of the language. Some will never make it except a mention as a misspelling if at all. There's a reason we not longer address each other as thou, and that's because the language has evolved. You can't say that actual modern words are less of words because of it.

But txtspk and leet however, are not words. They're extremely lazy abbreviations and in the case of leet, a very poor cypher.

On the whole, I'm just happy to see people who can pretend not to be illiterate. People who use capitals, punctuation, acceptable grammar and spelling. There's no point demanding perfection when everyone makes mistakes, but why sit in the gutter when you know you can do better and will have to do so later in life unless you're a binman?

Online, I feel it's just as important as it is when, say, writing a paper for school or college, becuase through chatrooms, all people see is what you say. And if it looks posh and all correct, people with a brain actually think different of you than they do of the next guy 'who post'd leike this when he wen 2 the shops with his m8's to bi a dicthunary 2 shoh u he's rite.'

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Actually, if memory serves 1337(Elite) speak was created by hackers, and once upon a time was used primarily by them. The purpose was to avoid filters and throw people off at hacker forums and things of the like so they could discuss what they wished. When someone caught on, they would simply add a further variance until it became quite a bit confusing.

"I hacked this site today" becomes "I haxed some site today" becomes "I h4><3d some site today" and so on.

Now internet idiots have decided to take liberty with the 'language' feeling that if they have some sort of superiority then they have joined the elite, and by extension must speak as such.

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sorry Del S, but i must retaliate against your last statement. i kinda see what you mean with the whole chatroom thing, but even then, anyone in a chatroom can never judge whoever they are chatting with just by what the other types. as you can see, very seldom do i use upper case (i only do when i am quoting someone or refering to someone by name), but does that make me sorta weird? not really. sure, there are plenty of people who will automatically think you are moron if your puctuation is off, but in my opinion, they shouldnt. but if the do, what the hell, whatever floats your boat my friend. like i said in my previous post, im just here to relax and talk to others about whatever. if someone is gonna get a bit rowdy cuz of some puctuation its all good.......wow, i dont think i really made sense, but yeah, thats what i think

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There's a reason we not longer address each other as thou, and that's because the language has evolved

That is a good point, and it did cross my mind when I was writing my last post. However, there's evolution in language which comes from the intermingling of people of various cultures {english is a prime example, being basically a germanic language which over hundreds of years has blended with latin, greek, french, etc.), and then there's just pure linguistic laziness where people don't even bother to learn their own language correctly and it becomes common speak (do not mistake this with dialect). The latter I find infuriating. That is where "fishes" comes in and suddenly makes its way into the Oxford dictionary (wrongly, in my humble opinion).
I think English is entering a very unstable future. I can see it now - grammar will no longer be taught in school (if it is at all these days) and every form of net speak and slang, broken grammar etc. will have been entered into the Oxford dictionary, thus immedietly rendering malformed language structure acceptable.

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sorry Del S, but i must retaliate against your last statement. i kinda see what you mean with the whole chatroom thing, but even then, anyone in a chatroom can never judge whoever they are chatting with just by what the other types.

I most certainly can and will. Not using proper capitalisation is one thing, and I don't think it's all that important. But it's not actually all that hard to spell properly, not use abbreviations that only save you one keystroke, etc. If you have English as a first language, I don't think there's any real excuse to not try to use the language properly. People who come into #narshe and have a first line of "hi how r u 2day" usually are met with complete silence from me until they say "ur meen" and leave.

My thought on it is this: at least in my chat, if you have the right to be lazy and type with ugly English, I have the right to mock you for it.

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Ultimage, some words have multiple plural forms. I don't know exactly what the case is with fish, but fishes sounds completely fine to me. How about genii instead of geniuses or octopi instead of octopuses? Both are legit plural forms, but nobody ever uses the former (except, I can imagine, Latin scholars like myself, since the latter forms seriously hurts my ears ) simply because "it doesn't sound right."

And I don't see anything wrong with adding words to the dictionary if they are used that frequently. Let's take Lewis Carroll (who knows if thats spelled right) for example. He made up words in many of his poems and works, and now most of them are added to the OED. In the Jabberwocky, for example, he used the word "vorpal". I looked it up in the OED my freshman year; it is most definitely part of the English language now (it means deadly, by the way).

On a different note, I don't think it's very fair to judge people solely based on how they say things in chat. I abbreviate sometimes, usually only cutting like 2 keystrokes ("ur" is an abbreviation I have used for like 4 years, and though I really, really, REALLY hate using it, it's a habit now), and I rarely capitalize words, but that doesn't mean I am incapable of using proper grammer. I just find it faster to omit capitalization and most punctuation in chat, as long as the message is still intelligible. I can see judging somebody who comes into chat speaking only in 1337 (OMFG 1 4/\/\ t3h ub3r h4x0rs!), but judging somebody just because they don't capitalize words in chat is a little nonsensical to me.

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Nice to know so many people have the urge to take a weak nuclear force decoupler (Dr Device, I suppose) and launch a genocide against the evil that is Netspeak.

Please join my band, so we may- as I have stated previously- staple apostophies to chavs' heads. Just say ''I join Kefka's (And All Ellipsises's)Cult''.

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Heh. My senior year in high school, a group of guys in the Compsys lab started "the lolocaust", a movement dedicated to the eradication of annoying netspeak, and it eventually spread throughout the school. Basically the idea was to rudely ignore anyone and/or ban the screen name of anyone who dared to use any crazy net-abbreviations on IM, chat, or real life, unless it was in obvious jest or specifically quoting something. We had a number of personal subpages dedicated to it, but the two that I could find were both 404s. Crap.

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Nice to know we have a possible genocide member.

Also, on 14 March 2006, I'm going to take hostage many world leaders. I will threaten to kill them- and I will: unless... a global law is implemented, whereby and grammatical mistake is punishable by death. I will be a god!

If you wish to join me in power, send a stamped envelope to:

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Also, I'm adding a poll for favourite punctuation marks.

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Wow, what a great poll.

No offense meant, btw, Caesar. I suppose my anger is meant more for those who acknowledge that they're not using any sort of proper grammar or spelling and refuse to admit that it's not as easy to deal with in the course of an active IRC chat. Generally those who are snotty about it.

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Bad grammar doesn't bug me that much, I mean, so what if somebody doesn't capitalize every sentence? Some people are in a rush, ya know!? Of course chav speak is annoying 'LOLZ 2dy i 8 sum chps thn i wtchd tv thn wnt 2 bd' but, say, in a chatroom or IM you're not gonna say to somebody, 'Wow, what a hilarious joke! I'm laughing out loud!' are you? Time saving, people.

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I appreciate the finer points of grammar, but I also understand that not everyone is going to be at the same grammatical level as I am. I freely admit that I make quite a few grammatical mistakes too.

If I come across a post where the english language has obviously been mangled, I might offer some helpful advice, but I won't generally be downright rude to them unless - UNLESS - it's obvious that their abuse of the language is from laziness or some strange cultural flaw that forces them to write 'u', '2', and 'sum1', not to mention 'plz', 'thx', and 'omg!!' I have no problem if an individual has trouble spelling some English words, or can't quite get the hang of our grammar, but this is downright stupid. I *will* be condescending and rude to individuals like this. I *will* tell them that their question has an easily available answer in the FAQs portion of whatever website if it pertains to gaming, and that they were clearly too dim to figure it out on their own, so I've taken the liberty of finding the link for them, and no need to thank me because I'll be changing their diaper soon. Whiney baby.

Yay for being rude!</rant>

Oh, and my favorite punctuation mark is the ellipses. I would say exclamation mark, but sadly it's abused so bad, and I even get tired of folks who use it sarcastically mixed with 1's and one's (or more commonly ONE's). That's tiring. It's not funny anymore. I've seen 1 or 2 noobs do it, I've seen about 20 or so people who knew better and were just being funny do it. So stop, please.

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...say, in a chatroom or IM you're not gonna say to somebody, 'Wow, what a hilarious joke! I'm laughing out loud!' are you? Time saving, people.

Err.. actually, yes I might say that. Im usually not in such a hurry that I can't spell or write entire sentences properly. I wouldn't fault somebody else for doing the same thing in this circumstance, but I myself would opt for the longer version.

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I can see it now - grammar will no longer be taught in school (if it is at all these days)

It's not taught in CPS. The new prevailing theory is "whole language," the idea that a more efficient way to teach English is to immerse students in as much reading and writing as possible, instead of breaking down the components of language. We still correct grammar and spelling through writing, but we don't spend a lot of time teaching grammar. I like teaching that way since students are both learning and enjoying what they are doing (as long as they have enough freedom to read and write what they want, or the reading and writing is culturally relevant.

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that a more efficient way to teach English is to immerse students in as much reading and writing as possible

That would be a lazy way of teaching. And I find it interesting that even with this new style there are so many younger people out there who refuse to pick up a book, and who can barely put a sentence together even into adulthood.

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genii instead of geniuses or octopi instead of octopuses? Both are legit plural forms

No they're not. "Genii" is correct. "Octopi" is correct. The others are not.

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nobody ever uses the former... simply because "it doesn't sound right."

Since when is that a good excuse to butcher a language? Words I can handle in that sense - British have different pronunciations from North Americans for many words... that's dialect. Grammar however, is the building block of a language. Incorrect usage, sometimes even insofar as adding a comma where it shouldn't go, can render a statement completely meaningless. And that's not important? People aren't going to do a certain thing because it "doesn't sound right?" C'mon.

And don't tell me that's the way you learned it in school either (just in case some of you were thinking it). There are plenty of teachers out there who have been shown to be quite stupid.

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genii instead of geniuses or octopi instead of octopuses? Both are legit plural forms

No they're not. "Genii" is correct. "Octopi" is correct. The others are not.

Hate to make this even more pedantic than it already is, but if I look something up in Webster's and it's there, it's just as valid to me. Geniuses, we are all.

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that a more efficient way to teach English is to immerse students in as much reading and writing as possible

That would be a lazy way of teaching.

No, actually, it requires significantly more work. It's hard to teach grammar through methods other than rote memorization and bombarding students with worksheets. Whole Language requires teachers to spend time working with individuals and groups in workshops. Whole Language is more tailored to a student's pace, so it requires much more teacher involvement.

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Personally, I expect people to at least attempt to use proper English in most cases, although I don't mind abbreviations at all. As Luna said, it's much easier just to say "lol" then to say "Wow, that's really funny! I'm laughing out loud," and in Instant Messaging I don't have a problem with it. I use lol, rofl, and brb often (used to use omg but lataely I've phased that out for the superior "Holy crap!"), but otherwise I use proper English (except for beginning-of-sentence capatalization, which I usually leave out). I don't fault people for the occasional their-they're-there mix-up (although I don't see what's so hard about using the right one).

But when people never use any friggin' VOWELS and abbreviate every single word in their sentences, that's when I get mad.

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I voted ellipsis...

I don't know why...

Hmm...

In other news, I am a bit of a grammar/spelling etc freak sometimes.

Eg. Just to be pedantic:

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Sorry.

But I think that the English language is deteriorating, after all if "va va voom" can be added to the dictionary, then soon enough we will see roxorz when we are researching rowlocks.

It's even in Wiki!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxorz

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The frosty one.

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So I have to wonder what the hell a chav is, and how one would intend to turn it into yaoi.

Please.

Educate me as of how this is possible.

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I think a chav is an insult..a bad one...I think...

it originally said "will be shot", so I guess that wasn't appropriate and was changed to what you see now. Maybe.

It's all very foolish really.

Anyway, I'm not really a stickler for grammar, thought it is fun to make fun of people that honestly look really, really illiterate

As for the poll, I use parenthesis alot. (As you can see in most of my posts...oh look! )

I also am an ellipsis glutton.

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