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Troubling situation!

But I finally came up with an answer.

I would ask how much time it happened, so if it was only a minute ago I would jump in my car and pursue the bastard. That way, even if I don't stay on his side, he should be able to survive long enough before the ambulance arrives.
But if he's too seriously damaged, I would stay on his side.

If it happened for about 3-5 minutes, I would just stay by his side since it would be harder for him to survive, and the man must have gotten far enough so that it would be too much trouble for nothing to try to catch him.

Everything depends... so I can't say the real thing if I'm not really in the scene.

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I agree with this lot. And two more points.

1) There is no way I'm going to leave my friend there to die alone. It just seems so wrong!

2) Who says the maniac that killed my friend won't kill me as well?

Going after him seems unlikely to accomplish anything and running off and leaving your friend to die on the ground is not something I am prepared to do.

And also, revenge generally seems to be a bad idea.

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I'd call it in and then stay with my friend. I don't think anyone should have to die alone. Even if he asked me to go after the perp, I think I'd stay

In regards for the cure question, I would definatly be more than willing to steal it. I'd be hesitant to kill a person, even if to save someone I love dearly, but if having to choose between that person and someone else, I'd take that other person's death. Even if it meant that I'd have to face jail, it would be worth saving that person's life.

As to the injured friend question, revenge would probably be something that I'd want to seek, but I have a deep caring for my close friends and I'd never be able to leave someone like that behind, even if to avenge them. So, I'd stay and comfort them, keep them company and basically, see them off. However, once that would be said and done, to hell with protocol or the justice system, I would kill that mother-trucker infront of a judge and jury in the middle of a court room, if it was the only place I'd be able to. Again, it might mean jail for me, but damn it, it'd be more than worthy for me.

I believe very strongly in "an eye for an eye."

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Okay, but there was a goat!

I'd write down the description of the vehicle and suspect in my notepad that I should have with me, while staying by his side trying to keep him alive.

If the situation was that dire, I would remember his dying words, as they would be very significant to me. Let the suspect worry away in his home or car or wherever until we arrest him.

The cops have 48 hours until the chances of the case to grow cold jumps very high, and by comparing bullets to the possible gun and researching all possible persons with a car matching that description, he's going to be caught.

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I can stab a man with a thick paperback book thru the ribcage.

I agree with strikerbolt. There would be sufficient evidence to convict the criminal in the future, it's best not to let my emotions get the better of me and leave a friend, officer, and human being alone on a stretch of highway to die, even if he asked me to chase him down. Just staying with someone can mean the difference between life and death. 'You know the saying, 'stay awake, don't go to sleep, stay with me'. you can keep the person alive just by talking to them , or at least prolong conciousness until life-saving operations can be performed.

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Quote (The Ancient @ 16th December 2005 22:07)

Quote (Hamedo @ 16th December 2005 16:00)

Forget protocol.  I'm asking you what you would do, based on what you think is the right action to take.

Well protocol and what I do go hand in hand in this case. Pretty much what Gears said, I wouldn't chase unless it was my dying friend's last wish.

Same here.

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Very good responses, all.

Myself personally, I think I would try to overtake the suspect.

Ok, let's try something new.




You run an orphanage and have had a hard time making ends meet. A car dealership offers you a new van worth $15,000 for free if you will falsely report to the government that the dealership donated a van worth $30,000. You really need the van and it will give you an opportunity to make the children happy. Do you agree to take the van? For the purposes of this discussion, assume that there is a zero chance of your getting caught by the authorities if you agree to do this.

This post has been edited by Hamedo on 21st December 2005 14:09

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Honest answer is that I don't know. I know what the right thing to do is, I'm just not positive I would do it given that situation.

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In all honesty (and taking the zero percent chance of not getting caught), I would take the van. It's something I'd need for myself and soemthing that'll make children happy and who doesn't like seeing children happy? Not that I'm the kind of person that does everything possible to make a child happy, that's not my style, but this a great van for free! I mean let's face it, ya' can't be a scout ALL the time!

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Well, if I have a lot of kids, that means they're expendable. Why get a shitty free van? I'd take the ones that I really didn't like into a dark room, tie them up, and harvest their organs, which I would then sell on the black market. Some of the kids might question "What happened to Billy" or "What happened to Daisy" but with the money I make, I can afford to put brainwashing tools in the shiny new van, that isn't sucky and free. It's not like I want to make the little bastards happy, anyway. They should just be grateful I let them live. (Well, the few I do.)

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Senior parking lot question:

While I could be idealist and say I wouldn't do that, I doubt it would matter that much statistically. If there are 200 seniors and 150 spots, then, discounting all those seniors who don't drive to school, most of the seniors will get spots anyways. (I'm also pretty darn sure that the senior parking lot isn't the only parking lot at school; it's just the coolest and most convenient and customizable lot.)

Dying spouse vs. pharmacist question:

How about I get a gang together, break into his house, have the gang hold him while I take the cure, leave the $3000, and say that I'll give him the other $2000 later (and actually make good on my promise)? That's assuming that I can't negotiate a "pay later" deal with him, which would be much better and less risky anyways. I'd rather not see him dead or have a dead man on my hands, so I'd rather try to find a way to keep him alive.

Dying state trooper question:

I'd probably do what Zodiac said; it depends on the timing.

Van donation question:

How about I take the van and then truthfully report that I received a $15000 van from that organization? What's the chance that that dealership will get me back for it, and what will or can they do?

This post has been edited by Glenn Magus Harvey on 22nd December 2005 00:09

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Let's see:

1. Make orphans happy
2. Screw the government out of money that would likely go to building a bomber jet.

I see no downside here.

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Quote (Gears @ 22nd December 2005 05:17)

Let's see:

1. Make orphans happy
2. Screw the government out of money that would likely go to building a bomber jet.

I see no downside here.

You got that right

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It takes 2 people and a weapon
to commit a murder

Yesterday is history, Tomorrow is mystery,
today is a gift, thats why we call it the present.

Yea, definatley assuming that I DON'T get caught, I'd do it. Lets face it, the kids need the van, or the money if I sold it for either price, and I detest my goverment anyway.

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Quote (Gears @ 22nd December 2005 05:17)

Let's see:

1. Make orphans happy
2. Screw the government out of money that would likely go to building a bomber jet.

I see no downside here.

Except for one flaw with the second part. That kind of money barely buys a full fuel tank for a F/A-18 (Unit cost, $39.5 Million). I think it might buy a minigun loadout and a few rockets for an A-10, but that's it. Fighters, Bombers, and nearly every piece of military avionics cost Millions. Maybe it might buy a radar upgrade, which means you now have a lost bomber jet that thinks your house is an Iranian F-14.

That money might instead have went to, I dunno, equipping soldiers with better armour... or could have been spent in one day by Congress just sitting there, or by Marine One flying down the shops to buy the president a packet of doritos. It's such a pitiful amount it's hardly worth it to "stick it to the man" with a mere fifteen/thirty grand. Although now the president doesn't have any doritos.

Plus if you actually screw the guvvament out of cash they know where you live, and it's going to be Gitmo.

I almost want to decline to actually comment on this one, becuase it's completely unrealistic. Zero chance of getting caught? What kind of message does that send about fraud? The same message we get from our hole-filled system in the UK? I would not take the van either way. Fraud is fraud. And I'd never run an orphanage.



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It's been quoted several times already, but I think it bears repeating.

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1. Make orphans happy
2. Screw the government out of money that would likely go to building a bomber jet.

Most definitely my favorite (and everyone elses, just about) response.



Ok, let's switch to a new one.

You are piloting a plane. Aside from yourself and the co-pilot in the secured cockpit, there are 5 stewardesses and 50 passengers on board. A mixed bag of woman, children, old folks, and middle age folks, let's say.

A hijacker takes over the plane from the cockpit door back. Your door is secure, though, and the hijacker cannot get to you. He demands that you open the cockpit to him so he can fly to Mexico. For every 5 minutes that passes, he claims he will kill a passenger.

To prove his point, he then brutally murders a small child right outside your door, which you see on the small cockpit camera.

So, what do you do? Turn the cockpit over to him and chance the whole plane's safety?

Stay in the cockpit as he murders people, and land at the closest, safest place, which is about an hour away?

Or go renegade, and try to crash land the plane right then and there, into a heavily forested area, where the chances of survival would be almost nil?

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I'd more than likely turn the plane over to him - I doubt I could handle having all those murders hanging over my head and possible thoughit is that he'll fly the plane straight into a skyscraper (and here's where I'm being somewhat selfish), atleast I can die with a cleaner conscience than if I died naturally with the thought of thirteen murders I could've averted if I'd let him land the plane in Mexico as he may or may not have intended. While it may not be the course of action that leaves us with the highest chance of saving the highest amount of passengers, it seems like a bit of a gamble that could well pay off and for me, morally, if it has a chance of saving those thirteen lives then I'm going to take it.

Whilst one could argue that it'd be my fault the entire plane full of people died for relinquishing control to the hijacker, hell, that's attributable to the fact that I'm pretty certain I'd crack under the pressure of having people murdered just one door away.

For the sake of the argument, I'm assuming he has every chance of just wanting to land the plane in Mexico, and though trusting a hijacker isn't the best of ideas, it's a bit of a gamble that could save a bunch of lives, but morally, it'd save me a whole lot of trouble.

Wow, that seems kinda selfish.

I don't think it matters. If he's in control and the aircraft deviates from flight path, it then becomes the descion of an Air Force pilot wether or not to shoot the aircraft down: And he should know even if he does reach Mexico, there are going to be armed police aiming at him the second he tries to leave the plane. Crash the plane, everyone dies anyway. I keep flying, and report the incident over the radio, ask for company, make sure he knows there are F-16's following the plane.


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"Only the dead have seen the end of their quotes being misattributed to Plato."
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"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..."
-Abraham Lincoln, prior to the discovery of Irony.

It might just be me, but this plane question seems a bit off. If its only the one hijacker then how could he kill 55, or so, people by himself. Especially after brutally murdering a small child, I'm pretty sure at least one of the middle aged passengers (maybe the father?) would try some heroics and take the guy out.

I am assuming the hijacker is only using a pistol. So how could he kill so many people in a short time anyway? He would have to reload several times making him vunerable to passengers and being disarmed.

Edit.
Sorry, I didn't mean to nitpick Hamedo.
So as to answer what I would do, in the given situation I would have to judge on how the hijacker looked and reacted on the camera. As in, if he looked like an actual terrorist and if there was a chance he would crash the plane into the nearest building. I probably would not give up the cockpit even if I did have to shoulder all of the passengers deaths.

Plus for the fact that in hijacking movies the pilot always gets shot and the plane has to be landed by Harrison Ford.

This post has been edited by Loose_Hair on 22nd December 2005 15:05

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I understand where you're coming from with your post, Loose_Hair, but please try to look at the situation from the standpoint of ethics and morals, and how you would react in the situation as it is given.

Most of the situations I've given can be rationalized and shot down as implausible. I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for an honest answer to the ethical problem posed.

Please, no further posts on how the situation is unrealistic or implausible. We already know that. You pointing it out doesn't make you clever. Just answer the question as it is given, please.

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How about conspiring with the co-pilot, then opening the door, and humbly submitting to him, then giving the right moment as the co-pilot stabs him as he's not looking at my colleague, then I join right in in beating the crikey out of him. And then we steal his weapons.

Flight attendants, engineers, and passengers are welcome to continue beating up and robbing this fool. Just don't kill him or maim him too badly so he can stand trial.

Then I just continue flying, knowing full well that there's quite enough witness evidence to convict him of the murder of that one child.

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Chances are, here's what I do:

First, Identify what weapon he has. Chances are, its either a gun or knife. If it was a knife, I'd keep my eye on the camera, open the door, and disarm him as he walks in, completley catching him off guard with a roundhouse (or snap) kick to the groin, tehn a punch to the face, then cut his thumbs off so he can't use the knife. Then land the plane as soon as possible.

A gun would be a little more tricky. Instead I would have to open the door from the side so he doesn't shoot me (if i let him in, he would probably do that, seeing me as a nuisance). I will need to get in within arm reach to not let him use the gun efficiently.

Of course, I'm no airline pilot and have little clue as to how the doors operate. Still, I can't let him get away, and the most important thing to rememeber is to keep under control.

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I can stab a man with a thick paperback book thru the ribcage.

I'd stay in the cockpit and land in the nearest place. Having 12 people killed is better than having 55 people killed, right? I know it sounds mean counting lives as numbers but really, it's simple logic. I ain't no Monk, or Master, and would obviously lose in a fight. And if the hijacker kiled me than he'd have the plane anyway.

And for the orphan one, I'd take the van and give Pimp My Ride a call. I mean, everyone loves a happy orphan.

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Quote (strikerbolt @ 23rd December 2005 02:47)

Chances are, here's what I do:

First, Identify what weapon he has. Chances are, its either a gun or knife. If it was a knife, I'd keep my eye on the camera, open the door, and disarm him as he walks in, completley catching him off guard with a roundhouse (or snap) kick to the groin, tehn a punch to the face, then cut his thumbs off so he can't use the knife. Then land the plane as soon as possible.

A gun would be a little more tricky. Instead I would have to open the door from the side so he doesn't shoot me (if i let him in, he would probably do that, seeing me as a nuisance). I will need to get in within arm reach to not let him use the gun efficiently.

Of course, I'm no airline pilot and have little clue as to how the doors operate. Still, I can't let him get away, and the most important thing to rememeber is to keep under control.

For reference for this particular question, aren't airline pilots allowed to have certain weapons (including guns) on the plane, for their own self-defense or other excruciating circumstances if necessary?

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Quote (Del S @ 22nd December 2005 14:26)

I keep flying, and report the incident over the radio, ask for company, make sure he knows there are F-16's following the plane.

I go with this decision. If I let him in he will probably shoot me and there's a good chance most of the people on the plane will die somehow anyway.

What is the point of crashing the plane? I would not respond to him and ignore him. Better than showing him I am upset by his actions. Try to get permission to land at the nearest airport.

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Through some strange twist of fate, you find yourself in control of a guided missle that is flying towards a staduim filled to capacity with people attending a concert.

Unfortunately, your remote controlled plane's controller will only let you divert the missle to one other location: your house. Your house is filled to capacity as well, though. All of your family are there, having a reunion to which you had planned on coming to a bit later on. Your spouse... your kids... your parents... your siblings and their families... your grandparents... everyone you have ever cared about is in that house.

So now, you have to choose. The deaths of 80,000+ people, or the deaths of the closest people in your life.

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The death of everyone else. One could probably not recover from the guilt pangs of slaughtering a stadium, but it'd be that much easier to do it if your family were with you. I don't believe it's selfish except in the sense that you're protecting the ones you love over strangers.

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Well, Hamedo, if the only place I can divert it to is your house, no contest! Bye!

Seriously though, if the stadium's American or Old Trafford, bye bye stadium. It's either a rubbish sport (Thus spectators who need to die on at least one level. Plus they'll never blame me, they'll blame the Iranians, the perfect war crime!) or Man United fans (Who need to die, full stop).

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Mind you, FH has a good point which I can adress for Hamedo: it's a magic missile.

This post has been edited by Del S on 26th December 2005 19:17

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Quote (Del S @ 26th December 2005 10:44)

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Seriously though, if the stadium's American or Old Trafford, bye bye stadium. It's either a rubbish sport (Thus spectators who need to die on at least one level) or Man United fans (Who need to die, full stop).

Agreed. (Except for the bit where you were mean to Americans) Out of interest who do you support? I'm a Spurs fan meself.

ANYWAY for me it's a tricky decision. I'd feel guilty killing 80,000 people but I'd rather take my own life than hurt my family. If I could re-direct the missile to my own location I would. But that's not an option so I'd keep the missile heading for the stadium.

Anyway, I'm pretty friendly. There's probably more than 80,000 people in the world I like.

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