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Shonen Jump has confirmed a new character in Kingdom Hearts II, and this time it's a character from a game older than many would expect. The character in question is Setzer; the wheelin' dealin' gambler from Final Fantasy VI, which was originally released as Final Fantasy III in North America in 1994.

And a scan:
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5854/kh20987fa.jpg

Well.

Much controversy arises -- a non-Nomura character? Wait, Nomura might have actually designed Setzer! But the in-game and official art were clearly Amano! Spiky hair?

I myself say that it's a pretty good Nomura-style rendition of an Amano-style character, even if I think a lot of Setzer's style is lost. Thoughts?

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Vivi from FF IX, also a non-Nomura character, has also been confirmed to appear in KH2. I have to admit I was not expecting this, though. The rendition seems pretty reasonable, and it's definitely within the Kingdom Hearts vibe - I'm not sure if I like the more colorful clothes, and I definitely don't like the spikier hair. My guess is that he either runs some kind of casino minigame or lends you an airship.

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Confilicted! Setzer's awesome, but he looks a little to cliched in the scan. But Auron's in that game too...

Would have thought they'd put in Locke or someone like that. Setzer's not popular, he has his fan (me), but Locke's fans are legion and rabid. Crazy Square...Enix...guys.

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Well, this doesn't belong here, but that's R51's concern. Maybe Dji's if he's fast enough to not have his job title rendered meaningless (I'm always amused by the fact that R51 appears to do more than 80% of the modding no matter who's on staff for any particular forum, nevermind what the actual ratio may be).

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Anyway, I only have this to say; knockoff Sephiroth. If Setzer's playable in any capacity, it'll be undeniable unless they give him back his scars at least. The way he looks, it's obvious Square wants to reel in the idiot fanboy demographic. This isn't about respecting those games before 7, it's about giving people what they want without actually doing so.

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There is nothing I can say bar that this is a travesty, a foul-up, and the rest I have to say is against forum rules.

For a hint, it involves keywords 'sephiroth', 'goat' 'lovechild' 'yay capitalism' and a few dozen expletives and a graphic description of where they can stick their game unless they bow to my demands and pass the AK, or even the L85.

Requiescat in pace, Setzer. Your death at the hands of the Bishinator shall be avenged.

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yay, another amano character is put in to KH2, altought the idea of Yuna and Rikku in there FFX-2 getup upsets me, i just cannot picture donald and goofy around them like that, oh well at least there are going to be more FF characters.

I like the fact that setzer is in the game, but Yuna Rikku and Paine?
come on. After FFX-2 what possessed square to make them continue working with that trio

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Way to go with Setzer, Nomura; I see you even failed to make him look like the man!

Seriously, I never thought the guy would be allowed to touch the characters that didn't already resemble porcupines, but alas. At least he followed Amano's design in most ways, 'cept with the hair and facial scars (his trademark feature, no less). Although I've known 'bout Vivi being in the game for a while, I've sorta refused to look at the 'special' design for him.

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i don't see what everybody is complaining about. besides the bizarre skull belt-buckle, which doesn't seem to fit the ff6 characterisation of setzer at least, i think he's well true to form, given that he *is* a kh character this time around. did you guys really expect him to look the same as in ff6? the character design for many characters changed a bit in the transitition into kh, and setzer is coming from a whole different world. i agree that it would have been "best" for him to keep his scars, but i guess i can see the reason in not putting a bunch of scars all over some guy's face in a game targeted at least in great part at kids.

Hooray! A FFVI charcter in KHII. I was a bit dissapointed when I discovered that FFVII was the earliest.

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I saw this and was automatically reminded of Ryoko from Tenchi Muyo. That's really really scary. All Setzer needs is a set of boobs and he's ready to be Ryoko's doppleganger.

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It just doesn't look like Setzer. That would be great if it did, but alas he's been butchered

I agree partially with pH. If only the hair wasn't so f@^&*!d up, it'd look enough like Setzer. I like how they didn't keep 100% to the Amano design and made a few liberties at it, aside from the hair and I guess whatever the hell shirt he's wearing, it doesn't really look all that bad.

But I personally do wish they had used a more traditional Setzer look.

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I saw this and was automatically reminded of Ryoko from Tenchi Muyo. That's really really scary. All Setzer needs is a set of boobs and he's ready to be Ryoko's doppleganger.

He has the same hair style but shorter, and then, that's about it. Yet, Setzer is that kind of guy who would do about anything for a girl.

But common how can these characters have ANYTHING in particular to create a story with... It may be a fantastic/fantasy game, but I don't like the idea with a talking dog, a talking duck, a trio of three WEIRD girls who passed trough an impossible scenario (you can't say the story in FFX-2 was good can you?) and a pervert gambler. If I was Square Enix, I would mix what CAN be mixed with Disney, which means Rosa, Butz, Palmer, Selphie, Quina, Queen Brahne, Tidus, Seymour, Paine. Maybe you can see my point of view with that.

If this is supposed to be the "3D Setzer", if so than my imagination made him look much better than that (With the Fanart I've seen, that's absolutely not the Setzer I know)... I wish they would let 2D remain 2D, and not convert them into 3D.

What kind of a mess are those characters going to create.

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As a HUGE Setzer fan... Seeing him look like that almost made me cry...
What happened to his beautiful pale face?
and the spiky hair :screams: what in the world?

they messed with him too much...he looks better in the original ff6.

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nomura...drawing...an amano character...huh...

very conflicting. not that i hate the newer ff characters, but if youre going to put setzer in, why not some other older ff characters? meh.



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On the one hand, yay, an ff6 character! Yay Setzer!.

On the other hand, that looks nothing like setzer. I really do not see any real resemblence but the name and the coat. And the spikey hair is just bad. Unless he can stab people with it.
More importantly, why the hell are Yuna, Rikku, and paine there?! WHY SQUARE?! I KNOW THAT THIS ISN 'T DISNEY'S FAULT, SO WHY!?
Also, it's very good to learn that Vivi will show up. I can only hope I get to have him replace Donald.


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did you guys really expect him to look the same as in ff6?  the character design for many characters changed a bit in the transitition into kh, and setzer is coming from a whole different world.

Anyone who's played KH had better not. But unlike in the case of the previous game, where Nomura simply redid his own character designs, it's quite a different story when he plays around with someone else's (like the outfit he designed for Donald. It's got a freakin' zipper on the hat). Had I not been informed beforehand, I honestly doubt I would've recognized that character as Setzer. It's fine - and likely unpreventable - for him to not look exactly the same as he did in FFVI, but what I didn't expect is for the similarities to be limited mainly to his coat, eye and hair color. Judging from the other posts, it's beyond merely looking a li'l different...

I can't remember at the moment, but did Squall keep his scar in the first KH? If so, well, just goes to show what Nomura's clearly more familiar with, and that Setzer lacking his may just be due to neglect.

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If this is supposed to be the "3D Setzer", if so than my imagination made him look much better than that (With the Fanart I've seen, that's absolutely not the Setzer I know)... I wish they would let 2D remain 2D, and not convert them into 3D.

His 3D appearance in the PSX version of FFVI was perfect, I thought.

My biggest concern, however, is about the voice actors. I'm not too worried 'bout Setzer's (if he gets one), but rather Vivi's. I just can't imagine the little dude having a voice, 'cause it likely won't sound as adorable as he looks. And if it does, depending on whether he even gets a voice actor in the first place, then there goes any masculinity he may or may not have had. Truly torn, there.

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very conflicting. not that i hate the newer ff characters, but if youre going to put setzer in, why not some other older ff characters? meh.

It was reported a long while back that Nomura will be adding characters he didn't create to the KH series. After all, he's bound to run outta his own at some point. Obviously that idea's already begun its reality by adding Setzer and Vivi, but in future installments (if he still plans on making 'em) it's possible we could see characters from FFII (probably not I or III), IV, and V as well as additional ones from VI, IX, and maybe even a few from Tactics, XI and XII.

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i didn't like him at all in the 3d-rendering of ff6. i thought he was the most disappointing character. he looked way too rectangular. kh's setzer has the exact same outfit as the amano setzer: the same boots, the same pants, same shirt (although the cg setzer has a black shirt and a white puff tie, the amano drawing setzers have white shirts), same coat, same purple belt...his hair is the only thing that bothers me, and not because it's spiky -- that makes him fit in with the kh cast better, after all -- but because it might not be long enough. setzer had really long hair; there is no way to tell how long nomura's setzer's hair is (it does appear to go down his back, judging from the scan).

Kylerocks: Setzer isn't popular? I'VE BEEN LIVING A LIE!

Now, in all seriousness...

I actually kind of like the design. It doesn't look far off from his in-game art at all - the skull buckle is a bit much, as is the spiky hair, but other than that his outfit wasn't too drastically altered at all, and it seems to fit his style nicely. I mean, compare the KH2 design to this: http://www.midnite-angel.net/ffdg/ff6/ff6i/setzer1.jpg I mourn the loss of his scarf, but it's not too bad a redesign.

Also, the image that's been released is a little low-res for making out fine detail on the face, so let's not jump to dire conclusions about his scars just yet. Squall, Seifer, and Auron have all been allowed to keep their scars, I don't think they actually would take Setzer's away. I've squinted at the picture and I think you can just make out the scar over his eye and possibly the one on his cheek; we'll need a closer shot to be sure, but I'm feeling pretty confident that our favorite gambler will have at least some of his many scars.

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To be honest, I don't think he looks all that bad. They've stuck relatively close to the original design in terms of clothes, and, while the lack of scars is kinda disappointing, I think they handled him pretty well - he'll fit in in the KH universe, but isn't entirely unrecognizable. His hair seems alittle short, but it does kinda appear to go further down his back, as Zack's does in FF7.

I don't mind it so much; it doesn't really look like Setzer, true enough, and it's probably just in there to advertise Square's FFVI re-release for the GBA that's coming up, but to be honest, it's not as bad as everyone's making it out to be. Not to me, at least. Setzer might've looked cool in his original, respective game, but still, it's his character that makes him. If the character remains the same, who cares if he lost his scars and looks slightly like a mix between Sephiroth and some girl I know?

I'm excited to see what they've done to him in the game itself, as I'm excited to play through the game itself. Yay, Setzer!

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