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Larsa just annoys the hell out of me. -CSM

Erm...any particular reason why? Would be nice if people could elaborate on their posts instead of just spewing generalized opinions. Not really entertaining at all.

I think Larsa is one of the more likeable characters in the game (as far as NPCs go). He's intelligent, precocious and he's not quite as cookie-cutter as Vaan and the gang. He's going against the flow of House Solidor AND the resistance, like a younger Delita of sorts.

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"You broke my f***ing sitar, mother f***er."
-Anton A. Newcombe

"Yet another 'use your sword to magically deliver death from above' character comes in somewhere between the Living Cabbage and Milkmaid character options." -red_beard_neo

Quote (Tidu-who @ 22nd December 2006 01:49)

Man, I feel like I could rack up 150 hours on this game! I am at 45 hours right now, and am going to go do some hunts before I continue on to the village below Giza Plains. It just turned to the Rainy Season. Am I like spending a lot of time or what? (Though some is downtime I'm sure where I left to make food). I spend way too much time trying to maximize the efficiency of my characters considering how strong they are.

But wow, is gil hard to come by now. Weapons going for 3500 to 5000 apiece. Armors are in the 2000s. I mean, in the beginning of the game I was usually able to buy stuff for all of my characters, now I can barely afford to buy armor and weapon for two, if that.

Try and get the Monographs, they will allow for enemies to drop better loot when you defeat them. Sell your loot, ALWAYS!

Also, defeat the first Demon Wall in the Tomb of Raithwall and touch the shinny button located where the Demon Wall used to be. Save before you enter the area that just opened. Now enter this area and reach the lonely Treasure Chest where North and South meet, or east and west, don't remember. There's a possibility that you might get a DEMONSBANE, a pretty nice sword at this point in the game. Also, later on when you enter the Henne Mines, try and build up a large chain of Seekers, those bat monsters, sometimes they drop ICE SHIELDS, which you will need pretty soon.

REMEMBER, if you don't have them, get those Monographs!!

This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 25th December 2006 01:09

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PS3 tag: TipoDLuffy

"...quite possibly the greatest game ever made"

Quote (Aether Master @ 22nd December 2006 21:29)

Yeah, that element is missing and it doesn't detract from the game, but it would be nice to see in the game just to make the characters more realistic.

Rest assured, it is present. It's just that the characters who are involved in this sort of thing have already been so since before the start of the game. Which is great - we don't have to deal with the uber-unrealistic fall-in-love-over-the-course-of-a-few-days plot device.

Though it isn't mentionned often, the game is pretty clear on the nature of Balthier and Fran's relationship (only three distinct lines come to mind, which just goes to show how little importance this side of the characters is given.) And of those three, only the scene at the end of the Pharos is any clear on that. The other two sound like a joke on Balthier's part and a conclusion drawn by an unrelated Rabanastran NPC.

Vaan and Penelo are more likely a relationship in the works. Vaan calls her his "friend" (and almost seems to correct people when they hint otherwise) so there's obviously nothing there as such. Given how fruity FFXII's "main" character is, though, he's probably just waiting for Kytes to come of age.

The rest of the characters don't seem to play any other important part towards one another. There's the brief bit between Ashe and the guy at the beginning (forgot his name, blagh...) but the character developement isn't very good in XII. For all we know, Basche may've had a wife and family before falling from grace - we really don't get any of this kind of information on the characters so it's a moot point...

Edit: Rassler! It was on the tip of my tongue, damnit!

This post has been edited by Silverlance on 27th December 2006 16:44

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"Judge not a man by his thoughts and words, but by
the quality and quantity of liquor in his possession
and the likelyhood of him sharing."

I just love this game. The battle system is probably one of my favorites yet, I guess it's a mix of decision making of technicks and spells, and just going all out crazy on the opponent. Theres no annoying characters, either, err atleast no annoying MAIN characters.

But this game seems to be like Final Fantasy 9, anyone notice?

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Kel'Thuzad: She is persistent. Reminds me of you, death knight.

Arthas:Shut up you damned ghost.

-Warcraft III Kel'thuzad comparing Arthas and Sylvanas Windrunner.

Quote (Dragon King @ 28th December 2006 17:50)

But this game seems to be like Final Fantasy 9, anyone notice?

More like FF2 to me: new system, that allows you to make anyone into any "class", StarWars remarks/similarities, gameplay starting with a losing battle...

And FF2 music at the begginning ^^
Me likes.

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"If you retort against this, so help me God I'll shove any part of your anatomy I can find into some other part. Figuratively, of course." - Josh

"We have more, can deliver tuesday." - Del S

Good old CoN

WHOA!! Finally I pulled off a 'Black Hole' and it couldn't have been at a better time, to bring Zeromus' HP down to %10. The whole fight was a luck fest, sincerely I don't know how I defeated the guy. My three main characters were at levels 40-41 and my other team were at levels 33-34, but I didn't have to use them.

Now, the funny thing is when I was exiting the dungeon. The waystone device takes you back to the entrance where this floating undead monsters awaited me, and they killed my entire main party, luckily, I was able to flee with the other one and Zeromus in my esper collection, sweet!

HA! Four down, six to go for Zodiark.

I laughd my ass off after the fight with The Mandragoras, did you guys saw how the Pumpkin went to heaven?

This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 28th December 2006 19:58

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PS3 tag: TipoDLuffy

"...quite possibly the greatest game ever made"

I've only played about 15 hours and I'm at the spot where you just got out of raithwall's tomb/the leviathan. I thought I'd been training a lot, but now I don't seem to have any money either. I have the guide book, so I know how to get the monographs. But the game just stepped up a lot in difficulty. A good game though. Baltheir is awesome.

- and why is Vaan fruity? I like Vaan. And up to this point in the game, I believe he has an interest in Ashe. I'd like to see that go somewhere, just to be true to the ff nature.

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I've just started a new game and have leveled Vaan to 30 before he has to talk with old dalan at the start of the game

man this game is so open ended, I wonder f it's possible to get an esper before belias ?

lol

jeez, I just beat the great wyrm, and I'm only level 22. You're pretty much set for quite some time. Unless you plan on leveling to 99 before you take on the game. I don't have the patience for anything like that. I leveled to lv 5 before talking to him, and I thought that was a lot.

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I might level to 99, i haven't decided yet .

if i do though, it will be for a single character game with no espers
(very useful in single character game) and no mist quikenings.

check out the videos on youtube named ffxii perfect game , that guy had
extreme levels and equipment through the whole game

EDIT: the other characters base levels are based on Vaans at the time,
so if you level up a lot before getting other characters
you are essentially getting 5xexperience really, and the licence points are also based on Vaans total aquired

This post has been edited by john aiton on 5th January 2007 14:15

It's pretty easy to hit 99 if you do all side-quests. Particularly if it's your first time playing and you're bumbling about going in circles for a few hours before finding what you're looking for. I'm on the last set of hunts and my party's level 80-some. With no actual attempt at powerlevelling. And I've yet to use the accessory that doubles exp for my main party (I was too busy getting JPs.)

Level 30 before Dalan is a bit overkill IMO though. Granted it's easy to go that high if you branch out and explore distant areas (not sure just how far you can go - I suppose the Yensa's not accessible at that point, but I've never tried going that.) The game doesn't get actually difficult until much later on. My solo Vaan game still hasn't required any levelling up and I've gotten past the mines without running into any problems.

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"Judge not a man by his thoughts and words, but by
the quality and quantity of liquor in his possession
and the likelyhood of him sharing."

Well, I just left Archades. I've been doing hunts but not much else in terms of side quests. There was that time when I thought I had to go down to the Feywood, but I was supposed to go east from the jungle and then go south, so I've had a bit of power-leveling time. But I keep all my characters around the same level, so it doesn't ever get too out of hand.

Vaan is a mage through and through. White, Black, Arcane, Time, even a little bit of Green. Balthier is my technick wizard. Odd, with Telekinesis being the last technick and him sticking to his guns, but oh well. Freya is my Green Mage with a bow. She also knows White Magic up to Curaga. Basch stands on the front line with sword and shield and knows no magic. Ashe went for the quickenings in the Accesories part of the grid, so she got the 2xLP Accessory first, but Vaan is wearing it now. She is Basch's equal on the front line with a sword and shield, and knows the same White Magics that Fran does. Penelo uses dagger and shield and steals from enemies a lot.

Boss fight means I start with a quickening chain, since I found some good advice online about how to execute them. In short, pick Mist Charge whenever it shows up. When there are no Mist Charges, pick the lowest level quickening you can, and try to use the character that has the fewest charges remaining, in case a Mist Charge comes up again. I finally got the gambit Self: MP < 10%, which meant I could put Charge in a gambit instead of pressing the button for it all the time. I like not having to tap buttons to execute the same set of commands over and over again.

Storyline...meh. The political stuff is nice, but I'm a sappy guy when I play my Final Fantasies and I miss the romance. I keep looking for one and had finally concluded that it wasn't going to happen. While it is certainly different not to have a romance, I find that I do not like the change. Just one guys opinion though, and I can always replay some of the other FFs to get my fix.

I like being able to make each character use whatever skills I want. If we had to stick to stereotypes, Vaan would be a thief type and Ashe would be a pure white mage. Maybe when I play the second time through and do all the side-quests, I'll do them as far from stereotype as I can. Vaan the greatsword bruiser...Basch the White/Green Mage...Fran the Paladin...mwahahaha...

As a game, it's very interesting. As a story, not so much, for me anyways. Overall, not bad, but probably not a favorite.

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"Getting upset over a trifle would indeed be unmannerly."

-Afra to Damia

my Vaan is a sword/shield/heavy armor fighter, with decent white magick, i plan on switching him to greatswords when i get to them. Basch is a katana user, with heavy armor as well, he is the only non-mage in my party. Ashe is almost identical to Vaan right now, but she will continue on the single handed sword/shield path, and she wears light armor. Fran is mainly a mage, with strong white and arcane magick, she uses bows and light armor. Balthier is a strong combination of fighter and mage, he has all the most powerful spells from all the branches, and uses poles as his weapon, which also gives him a high evasion he uses light armor instead of mage armor. Penelo is the opposite of Basch, she has mastered all of the knowable spells from all the branches, and uses rods and mage armor. At level 24, her dark spells average nearly 500 damage to each enemy. She also is my best healer.

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I prefer to open up ALL the licenses for all the characters. Don't like having one character for one specific role, let them all do all, much better that way, plus my foes suffer hell!!! mwuahaha

Just passed Giruvegan, gonna stop advancing through the story to do some hunts, CARROT YOU'RE MINE!!!

This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 6th January 2007 19:01

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PS3 tag: TipoDLuffy

"...quite possibly the greatest game ever made"

that would take patience that i don't have, if i get that far through doing all the sidequests etc. then so be it, but i don't plan on doing extra training in order to complete the liscense board for every character

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Quote (Silverlance @ 5th January 2007 21:16)

Level 30 before Dalan is a bit overkill IMO though. Granted it's easy to go that high if you branch out and explore distant areas (not sure just how far you can go - I suppose the Yensa's not accessible at that point, but I've never tried going that.) The game doesn't get actually difficult until much later on. My solo Vaan game still hasn't required any levelling up and I've gotten past the mines without running into any problems.

well, even at level 30 with a kotetsu before seeing old Dalan
I really struggle to see how far i can go.

You can enter the Zertinan caverns (although i get killed after a few monsters there) so i suppose you could go wherever the caverns take you

I now have pyroclasm, and can easily do a 8 hit quikening with Vaan
I kill the Dive Talons in the westersand

I even tried to kill an entite i came across,

the "Gnoma Entite" i did 21,000 damage to it with a quikening:)

when i chain quikenings I usually get Ark Blast as a finishing move, sometimes Torrent

I gues i better see dalan soon

I started out with Fran as a heavy mage, but then after more leveling I realized how more suited Ashe was for it. She has a base of 5 more Magic Power than Fran. So I use both of them as heavy hitting mages. Vaan I keep switching. He knows key white magic and black magic, and I usually give him the best dagger available. Sometimes Thief him, sometimes give him a heavy spear or whatever my fancy.

Penelo is my special character. She knows a lot of magic, but isn't strong in either attack or magic power. I'm using her as my thief, she always has the best shield, a light armor hat (i keep finding/stealing ones that are way way more advanced than where I'm at in the storyline) so she has a lot of HP, heavy armor for the body, and either gauntlets (to block better) or thief cuffs. Did I mention she's still using the Main Gauche for mucho evasion? I've found that using lure with her and the mucho evasion is great for distractions on hunts etc. She has evasion of 54 currently and I'm on my way to Archedes.


Basche and Balthier have no magic, all strength all the time. They are my item users for status or potions (though hi-potions are losing their efficiency now that I'm into the 2000s in health).

Balthier uses guns or strong swords. Fran uses a bow or staff. Ashe uses Katanas. Basche uses strong swords or spears. I'll probably get him into Great Swords when they become available. Penelo uses either a dagger, a crossbow, or a Pole (25 evasion is nice).

This post has been edited by Tidu-who on 7th January 2007 21:46

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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

Im at the part in the game where i have to kill the elder wyrm boss. I keep losing to him so i need to train and get better spells.

Whats a good place to get money and train at where i am in the game.

Quote (blizzera god @ 7th January 2007 16:45)

Im at the part in the game where i have to kill the elder wyrm boss. I keep losing to him so i need to train and get better spells.

Whats a good place to get money and train at where i am in the game.

Which one is that? It feels like I've fought about 5 different Dragon Wyrms so far. What dungeon/area are you in? Stillshrine? Raithwall's?

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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

Quote (KingDelita @ 7th January 2007 00:10)

that would take patience that i don't have, if i get that far through doing all the sidequests etc. then so be it, but i don't plan on doing extra training in order to complete the liscense board for every character

C'mon it only takes 13,180 LP to complete the license board, not counting the espers and quickenings. Golden Amulets help a lot if you're looking to do this, it's not that hard really.

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Im at the part in the game where i have to kill the elder wyrm boss. I keep losing to him so i need to train and get better spells.

Whats a good place to get money and train at where i am in the game.

The forest in which you are in right now, the Golmore Jungle. Steal from the Malboros, and if you have the correct or all the monograph's, not including the Canopic Jar, all of the enemies will drop excellent loot, plus they give a good amount of EXP. If you have the Thief's Cuffs then stealing is even better. I recommend defeating the Elder Wyrm and movin on to the Paramina Rift.

Elder Wyrm has a poor Attack power, the problem with him is the status effects it deals to the party. Make sure you have Esuna and a good supply of Handkerchiefs in your item list, the Oil status is the power source of his Fireball attack, so get rid of that Oil quickly.

Once defeated save your game and head to the Paramina Rift, there you can steal Sturdy Bones from the "SKELETORS" as I ike to call them. They sell for a lot, and you can steal a lot plus they also drop them. Watch out for an Elemental in the area, do not use magic in it's pressence.

This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 7th January 2007 22:59

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PS3 tag: TipoDLuffy

"...quite possibly the greatest game ever made"

Whats the best armour for katana users? I found Osafune from an Untana Exile,and its like 2 times better then my current one handed sword. Any suggestions?

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The voices tell me to stab you.....I mean give you candy filled with razor blades.......thats right candy.

Quote (Sephiroth_The_Dark @ 7th January 2007 18:14)

Whats the best armour for katana users? I found Osafune from an Untana Exile,and its like 2 times better then my current one handed sword. Any suggestions?

Katana users seem to be better with Genji stuff, but for now, go with Mystic Armor.

This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 7th January 2007 23:35

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PS3 tag: TipoDLuffy

"...quite possibly the greatest game ever made"

Thanks, but one thing I dont like is low evasion, but I can handle it.

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The voices tell me to stab you.....I mean give you candy filled with razor blades.......thats right candy.

Quote (SaffireWeapon @ 7th January 2007 17:44)

The forest in which you are in right now, the Golmore Jungle. Steal from the Malboros, and if you have the correct or all the monograph's, not including the Canopic Jar, all of the enemies will drop excellent loot, plus they give a good amount of EXP. If you have the Thief's Cuffs then stealing is even better. I recommend defeating the Elder Wyrm and movin on to the Paramina Rift.

Elder Wyrm has a poor Attack power, the problem with him is the status effects it deals to the party. Make sure you have Esuna and a good supply of Handkerchiefs in your item list, the Oil status is the power source of his Fireball attack, so get rid of that Oil quickly.

Once defeated save your game and head to the Paramina Rift, there you can steal Sturdy Bones from the "SKELETORS" as I ike to call them. They sell for a lot, and you can steal a lot plus they also drop them. Watch out for an Elemental in the area, do not use magic in it's pressence.

I more than likely will end up mastering the board with everyone. I just got access to the golden amulets (I am lv. 27 about to go into stillshrine of miriam) so i haven't gotten to wow myself with their usefulness yet.

But your post brings up another point that I have been wondering about recently. Are the monographs really worth the buy?

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Okay, quick question: Why in the world would I want to equip my character with the Firefly Accesory and earn 0 EXP?

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The clouds ran away, opened up the sky
And one by one I watched every constellation die
And there I was frozen, standing in my backyard
Face to face, eye to eye, staring at the last star
I should've known, walked all the way home
To find that she wasn't here, I'm still all alone

-Atmosphere "Always Coming Back Home to You"

Quote (KingDelita @ 8th January 2007 02:38)

Quote (SaffireWeapon @ 7th January 2007 17:44)

The forest in which you are in right now, the Golmore Jungle. Steal from the Malboros, and if you have the correct or all the monograph's, not including the Canopic Jar, all of the enemies will drop excellent loot, plus they give a good amount of EXP. If you have the Thief's Cuffs then stealing is even better. I recommend defeating the Elder Wyrm and movin on to the Paramina Rift.

Elder Wyrm has a poor Attack power, the problem with him is the status effects it deals to the party. Make sure you have Esuna and a good supply of Handkerchiefs in your item list, the Oil status is the power source of his Fireball attack, so get rid of that Oil quickly.

Once defeated save your game and head to the Paramina Rift, there you can steal Sturdy Bones from the "SKELETORS" as I ike to call them. They sell for a lot, and you can steal a lot plus they also drop them. Watch out for an Elemental in the area, do not use magic in it's pressence.

I more than likely will end up mastering the board with everyone. I just got access to the golden amulets (I am lv. 27 about to go into stillshrine of miriam) so i haven't gotten to wow myself with their usefulness yet.

But your post brings up another point that I have been wondering about recently. Are the monographs really worth the buy?

Let me give you an example. In the Henne Mines I builded up a chain of Seekers up to 127 something like that. By that time I had already bought all of the monographs. From that Chain I got 5 Ice Shields and 4 Blood Swords. You figure it out!

Don't remember if those were Ice Shields, anyway, it was 5 something Shields, it was worth it!

This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 8th January 2007 08:41

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"...quite possibly the greatest game ever made"

Quote (Tidu-who @ 8th January 2007 03:17)

Okay, quick question: Why in the world would I want to equip my character with the Firefly Accesory and earn 0 EXP?

Quite frankly I don't know, but you can sell it, I think of Firefly as just another piece of loot.

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"...quite possibly the greatest game ever made"

Quote (Tidu-who @ 8th January 2007 08:17)

Okay, quick question: Why in the world would I want to equip my character with the Firefly Accesory and earn 0 EXP?

squaresoft have caught on to people who do "challenge games"
thats why there are two werewolves at the star of the game; for powerlevelling,

you can now use any character on their own; for single character challenges

and the firefly is for low level games; so as to gain no exp

I never tried, but wouldn't Firefly also mean the character is excluded from those who receive EXP? That would mean you could take two level 80 characters, a level 15 character, and help that character level up real fast if your level 80s have fireflies...

Other than that, LLGs seem to be the only reason why the item'd be there indeed...

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and the likelyhood of him sharing."

Quote (Silverlance @ 8th January 2007 11:32)

I never tried, but wouldn't Firefly also mean the character is excluded from those who receive EXP? That would mean you could take two level 80 characters, a level 15 character, and help that character level up real fast if your level 80s have fireflies...

It doesn't work that way. The level 15 character still only gets his one-third share of the XP. The remaining two-thirds that should go to the Firefly-equipped characters is lost.

You could use it to stick to a level that keeps you nicely immune to all the leveled spells.

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