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I was trying to defeat the game at level 15 , and I have problems beating Lavos. As we know he changes its attacks modes, according to the bosses of the game, until GigaGaia. I made it to GigaGaia, but he killed me in the two first rounds. My question is: This is the last form of Lavos, or after GigaGaia, Lavos come with its own attack mode?? ( You know HP=10000 and its owns attacks...) Thanks.

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Lavos has his own "natural" attack mode after Giga Gaia, plus after you beat Lavos' natural attack mode the game isn't over yet....

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because you have to enter Lavos' shell and defeat the Lavos Core, which is much more difficult than the "outer Lavos".

Good luck in beating the game!

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and that last form is so annoyin, I recommend equiping Crono with some MP economizer item so you can use many Lumina attacks!

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^ He means the Gold Stud or Silver Stud (25% and 50% MP consumption, respectively).

And yeah, I dunno about your progress through Chrono Trigger's endgame sidequests, but the final battle can be much more troublesome if you don't do them. Be sure to take care of the Giant's Claw, Second Trial, Sun Stone, Ozzy's Fort, Geno Dome, Northern Ruins, and Fiona's Forest sidequests. The equipment, items, and exp you get from those events will really come in handy. I'm particularly fond of the Rainbow and the Crisis Arm.

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Actually, I don't know how quite you're pulling this off, but good luck at level 15. I'm assuming this is either a newish game with very little of the game beaten, or this is a low-level game of some sort?

Chrono Trigger does have that unusual feature of letting the player battle the final boss rather early in the game.

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Level up, chief. Level 15 is nearly impossible. The fact that you aced magus even amazes me. I would go beat it once through. Best Chrono combo is the Rainbow with Prism Specs. Don't let anybody kid you.

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Ye might recall how powerful Lavos was when he popped up in the Undersea Palace. Well, his natural attack mode's gonna be just as powerful and I'm not sure the better equipment ye can have at that point will help enough. His core will have attacks even more powerful, particularly the Grand Stone (a physical attack that hits all), which me Lv. 52 Marle barely survives, although if ye play the second core battle right and a wee bit o' luck's on your side, ye might be able to avoid it. Still, I'm with MogMaster. Level up.

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Ye might recall how powerful Lavos was when he popped up in the Undersea Palace. Well, his natural attack mode's gonna be just as powerful

I was always under the impression that they gave Lavos a higher attack power back at the Undersea Palace just to make sure you'd get through the entire plot.

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The way I kill Lavos Core is have Glenn (Frog), Crono, and Ayla. Make sure Crono already learned Luminare and make sure they have the triple combo: 3D Attack. It deals ALOT of damage. You should atleast be around LV 30-50 when you beat Lavos Core so you wouldn't have to die everytime he attacks.. Heh. Remember to have atleast 3 or more MegaElixirs and 7 Elixirs.

I'd attack the left side with the damage less than its max hp (or current) but pretty close to killing it. Then I'd just wait around until the right side turns off defense. Until then, use Mega Elixirs and Elixirs after he uses GrandStone and Crying Heavens (This one's the most dreaded of these two). Once it turns off defense, just keep beating the hell out of that right part and weaken it too. Once it revives defense, attack the middle part and have its hp very low, close to death.

Then when three characters ATB gauges are filled together, attack each part like mad and hope that they don't automatically revive. Because when they revive, you'll have to do the whole thing over again! (Except for the one that didn't die. It's HP is still the same =O)

Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 8th November 2005 13:37)

I was always under the impression that they gave Lavos a higher attack power back at the Undersea Palace just to make sure you'd get through the entire plot.

Nah. You're just underleveled and ill-equipped to deal with what's always Lavos's first attack, Destruction Rains From the Heavens, which, if I ain't mistaken, is a magic attack, and, unless ye powerleveled, your magic defense at that point ain't gonna save ye. By the end of the game, not only will your magic defense be much higher, but you'll have access to items like the prism helmets and the moon armor which pump up your m. defense even more. Hell, the prism dress cuts magic damage by 1/3 and, in one of the side quests, Robo gets a m. defense bonus permanently.

And NED, ye have to COMPLETELY kill one of the other bits to trigger the right bit's defense shut off.

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I'm almost sure that Undersea Palace Lavos is more difficult than Regular Lavos, as I died once trying to beat him in New Game +. It's like Cid and the rotten fish, really. The default outcome is supposed to be death, unless you work really hard at it.

And Galsic, really, what up with the pronouns? Are they really necessary? Especially randomly? And incorrectly?

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Level 15? Am I missing something here? Because when I fought Lavos thet 1st chance I got to, he made mincemeat of me. I don't think it can be done unless you're really lucky...

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unless you're really lucky...

And it's hard to do that too. I know this from messing with savestates.

Save state between turns in a Chrono Trigger battle, and save state between turns in a Final Fantasy II (US, SNES) battle.

Now load each one, watching the sequence of attacks that the enemy/enemies throw(s) at you, as well as the damage those attacks deal. Observe for 3 or 4 turns. You'll notice that, in Chrono Trigger, unlike FFIIus, the choices are set in stone. If Lavos will use Grand Stone, it will use it. Even if you ask it again to use a different attack, it will still use that same attack, and it will deal the same amount of damage to your characters (keep in mind damage to your characters CAN exceed 999, even though your HP can't), unlike FFIIus.

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I'm almost sure that Undersea Palace Lavos is more difficult than Regular Lavos, as I died once trying to beat him in New Game +.

Ditto. My New Game + file consists of three complete playthroughs. Even with everyone above level 70, Undersea Palace Lavos still killed my party. Its attacks, especially "Destruction Rains From the Heavens", all do massive damage compared to the corresponding attacks of 1999 AD Lavos, who's no tougher than a random mid-game monster to a party with stats that high.

No matter what your level is, Undersea Palace Lavos is much, much stronger than its Apocalypse version.

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In fact, it almost seems as if the more powerful Lavos' stats increase along with your characters' so that it always has the upper hand when you face it in the Undersea Palace. Could any of you wonderful hacker types confirm whether or not this is the case?

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Of course he can still be beaten at the Palace. If you manage to slay him, you get the Developer's Room ending. It's much easier to get that ending the other way though.

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Dead Winter. A nice comic.

I'm just weighing in here to state that I too felt that Undersea Lavos seemed purposefully harder than regular Lavos. Hardly unbeatable harder, but I would have to pay attention for the battle on a New Game +, vs. Regular Lavos who could be slept through.

I don't think there is any difference in the Core though once you've beaten the shell.

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Ocean Palace Lavos is harder. There we can all be quiet on that one. Beating him gets you the programmers ending. Everything is the same once you beat the shell, yes.

Edit- As an aside, I recall beating Lavos in the ocean palace the first time through the game. I was a little overpowered, yes. Luminare and Frog Flare won me the day. I got the feeling I wasn't supposed to win though when the ending seemed slightly off. The next time I stowed away my MegaElixers and lost it as god intended. It was amusing, to say the least.

This post has been edited by MogMaster on 10th November 2005 19:57

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Ocean Palace Lavos got 30000 HP, which makes him a formidable foe. And yes, I'm in a New Game, at level 15-16 and before the Dreamstone quest. ( Before meeting Ayla). I played Chrono Trigger a lot, so much that I forgot how was the game without +New Game. And yes, It amazing that I defeated Magus, Azala and BlackTyrano Attacks of Lavos throught the End of Time. Thanks to Taban Vest , which resist fire I could do it. I just used Napalm , when Lavos was on Magus mode and when it was weak against fire. He didn't changed its weakness with that fire attack so I exploit that weakness...of course he casted "Dark Matter", which was around 220-240 HP damage ( that attack left me always with 9-16 HP), and when Fighting Black Tyrano form, the countdown was lethal to me, it was 330 HP damage , so thanks to Taban Vest I could survive it with only Lucca ( around 130-140 damage only for Lucca) . Those two forms were near an hour of battle...and then GigaGaia killed me in two turns. I had only the basic attacks like Ice, Fire, Lightning and some dual techs.
Inner Lavos and Final Lavos are imposible at this level , so i'll try with lv 20-25 , Still I don't think I got a chance with Inner Lavos...thanks a lot for your help.
I need more luck and skill to survive...

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I used Frog, Crono and Ayla for that (Ocean Palace) battle. Crono had Confuse attack (or the attack where he attacks 4 times), Ayla used Triple Kick which is pretty good and I had Frog cast Giant Frog every time. Ayla is actually a nice character with the Charm ability. I had about 50 Megalixers since you can steal them from the snakes in the Black Omen. Those help alot, as well as as many stats with **. Ayla also had ** for Evade, which helped alot with third eye.

This post has been edited by byblos on 15th November 2005 20:02

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