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I took a look at the forums to take my mind off some recent events which have caused me some considerable grief and will do so for some time to come, and saw a topic about bone village elsewhere on the FF7 board. I followed the link someone posted to an image of the village, and was reminded of something that was bothering me whenever I was at that location in the game: the crashed aircraft.

Now, if you look at the picture on that page, you'll see the aircraft. However, it seems to be the only place such an aircraft is seen in-game.

This topic is basically to try and see what it really is, and why it's there.

The aircraft somewhat resembles some Soviet warplanes, such as the Su-27 and MiG-29, and a few US warplanes, in my eyes, probably the F-15 seems to be closest.

(Slighlty better rear images for the Su27, MiG-29 and F-15 , can be found by clicking these links.

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Whoops, forgot to say what I thought it could have been. In my view, it's a Shinra military variant of the Bronco, The" tiny bronco" actually being a rather old propellor plane design now manufactured for civllian aiviation. This Bronco, a more modern jet, was and may still be used as a fighter aircraft of the Shinra.

This post has been edited by Del S on 3rd July 2005 11:53

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The Su-27 looks very similar to the Bone Village wreck. Check the two fins on the back.

You may be on to something...

It sure does look like more as the Su-27, but if you look closer, it's nothing near that sorry... only the wings and fins are identical the rest has either minor or major differences.

Square is sure hiding a lot of stuff from us...

This post has been edited by Zodiac on 3rd July 2005 16:28

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Since Shinra had been a weapons manufacturer before the mako boom, I'm assuming that the plane was used for war purposes (espionage?) and had crashed there for some reason or another.



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I agree, the plane was probably on it's way to Wutai

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but wouldnt it go to say that archeologists would've recognized a fairly recent model airplane, and removed it? they are digging right next to it, why not see what is under it?

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As far as my speculation goes, it's either a non-recent model and they haven't moved it because it's (1) not worth damaging the fossil underneath it (2) been cleared from a previous position onto the fossil or (3) in a location they've already excavated or have merited to be useless to their work.

This post has been edited by Shotgunnova on 3rd July 2005 20:53

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Perhaps the plane is some sort of tourist attarction?

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Your take is as good as mine. I don't know how many people that would bring in, though, considering they're bordered in by a dense forest.

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hmm, thats an interesting take shotgunnova, but you'd think they'd have cannibalized it if 2 or 3 were the case :-P

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Scrap metal!
A fighter jet is a VERY heavy thing to move; you'd need a crane of some type. I don't see a bunch of archeologists living in tents having access to a crane like that. Also, it is obviously damaged, most likely in a crash. If it had been buried under dirt over the course of many years, then technology advancement is going very slowly.
Also, I find it odd that the only examples of the Shinra Air Force we see are the Gelinkas (just cargo planes) and the Highwind. I don't recall seeing anywhere that the Tiny Bronco was ever some type of military aircraft, or belonging to Shinra at all.

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Quote (bahamut0013 @ 4th July 2005 02:31)

Scrap metal!
A fighter jet is a VERY heavy thing to move; you'd need a crane of some type. I don't see a bunch of archeologists living in tents having access to a crane like that.

Yeah, but you'd think they'd try something. It is smack in the middle of their excavation site. You'd think they would have access to some kind of excavation equipment that could get rid of it. Then again, Cloud does most of his digging with a shovel, so...

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Also, it is obviously damaged, most likely in a crash. If it had been buried under dirt over the course of many years, then technology advancement is going very slowly.

I agree with you. I don't think it was buried, I think it just happened to crash land there.

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Also, I find it odd that the only examples of the Shinra Air Force we see are the Gelinkas (just cargo planes) and the Highwind. I don't recall seeing anywhere that the Tiny Bronco was ever some type of military aircraft, or belonging to Shinra at all.

I definitely think this plane belonged to Shinra. It really doesn't make sense for it to have come from somewhere else. Most likely it was downed during a battle.

I think the reason we don't see the rest of the Shinra Air Force is because the war is essentially over. Shinra effectively controls the world. I suppose it would have made more sense for them to whip out the air force to fight the Weapons, especially Ultimate, but, eh, what're you gonna do?

or, despite the fact that its facing the wrong way, it could have been one of wutai's planes (if they had any) from the shin-ra wutai war. it also might not have been moved because they hadn't got to it yet - the whole excavation sorta has that "temporary" feel to it, doesnt it?

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Its definitely a Shin-Ra plane most likely from the wutai war that aeris's stepmothers husband was in.

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Yes... perhaps it's the plane Elmyra's husband died in...

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Or maybe it's just a plane...I doubt it, but you never know.

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Hahahaha... yeah, It's a plane for sure...

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Quote (Musashi @ 6th July 2005 12:06)

Yes... perhaps it's the plane Elmyra's husband died in...

Yeah, but she said he was a soldier, not an airman or a pilot.

Look at a screenshot. It's broken at the cockpit, but much of the canopy remains attached to the plane. That means the pilot never ejected, and the folks there at least pulled him out (alive or dead, most likely the latter).

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Is it me or is it on the near side tail wing, there is some sort of..insignia or something on it? it could just be dirt marks and scrap

and while all of the real planes come close, the wing designs are a bit different, and if you notice, in the game, the tail is set on top of the jets, while the real ones, they are set outside of the jets

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The most logical conclusion that we can come to that it's a Shinra fighter from the Wutai/Shinra War about a decade ago.

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How do soldiers get home from overseas? they fly, so his plane could've wrecked...



This post has been edited by Musashi on 7th July 2005 22:18

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Why does it have to be a jet that belonged to the Shin-Ra? Their air technology is nowhere near that level. Just look at the Gelnika: Linkage.

The Highwind is the most advanced thing they've got. Granted, it's pretty damn spiffy, but none of the technology that Shin-Ra displays would suggest technology on the level of that jet. All their helicopters are small choppers designed for traveling short distances, and their planes are all transport vessels.

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that was my point exactly - if you think about it, wutai sorta resembles japan, as does its culture, and the japanese were ALL about planes in the ww's - and wutai was defeated - so why couldnt that be a wutai-an plane? mayhap a hurricane hit it, and thats why its turned around

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Bahamut0013,

How do soldiers get home from overseas? they fly, so his plane could've wrecked...

Indeed... But NOT in one/two man fighters! They return in transport planes or chartered flights if they return by air. This aircraft is clearly not a transport.

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that was my point exactly - if you think about it, wutai sorta resembles japan, as does its culture, and the japanese were ALL about planes in the ww's - and wutai was defeated - so why couldnt that be a wutaian plane? mayhap a hurricane hit it, and thats why its turned around

It IS possible it's a wutaian plane: after all, during dogfights, planes go in any direction and if the plane had been hit, and spiralled out of control, it could have landed at that angle. A hurricane might not have been likely, but a Shinra Air-to-air or surface-to-air...

And Japan was all about carrier aviation in WW2 -as it was a very easy way not only to fight the world's older navies that in the old naval battles, would severly damage the Japanese fleet, but also project power-, and they were major helpers in building modern doctrine of Naval combat, where the carrier has replaced the battleship as the central component of a fleet.

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Why does it have to be a jet that belonged to the Shin-Ra? Their air technology is nowhere near that level. Just look at the Gelnika: Linkage.

The Highwind is the most advanced thing they've got. Granted, it's pretty damn spiffy, but none of the technology that Shin-Ra displays would suggest technology on the level of that jet. All their helicopters are small choppers designed for traveling short distances, and their planes are all transport vessels.

That we see... and what you think. Might I point out that We actually do not have an aircraft like the Gelnika? That little plane which you cite as low-tech, is as good as if not better than some of OUR transport planes! It looks capable of carrier landing and decent medium-haul transportation, and is a four-prop plane. The C-130 Herkybird is a four-prop plane, and it's in usage by many people today. And according to Honda (no joke), Propellors ABOVE the wing are better than below. So, the Gelnika may very well be more advanced that some of our transports, built for short take off and landing, and since it can fold it's wingtips, the Gelnika is actually a pretty good transport for things like on oil rigs, aircraft carriers, dirt runways... so, in short, it's actually quite advanced. After all, it could be that at the end of the war, it wasn't replaced, it's sucessor plane perhaps being scrapped like the C-130's was following the end of the cold war.

Also, it's a big world, and maybe the Junon Airbase we see is operated by the Shinra and the Shinra alone. Local (Junon) forces might use a different base, or all the Junon Air Units are out of sight/in hangers, etc...

...so it is possible that we just don't see the rest of the world Air Forces. After all, if Wutai was just one little village, Midgar and Junon should have crushed it in days, yet the way the war is spoken of, it sounds like it was a long battle.

So, Shinra air tech that we see is very much near that level: The F-14 tomcat and comparable looking jet planes came about soon after or were already around when the Hercules came into service.

And another thing: All we see may be the Shinra fleet. Maybe they are the de facto government, but maybe we just don't see the actual military. After all, do you know of any modern company owning anything larger than a transport plane, or owning a long range helicopter today?

And saying 'Lockheed Martin' or some similar company, it must be noted, is severely cheating

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The Highwind is the most advanced thing they've got. Granted, it's pretty damn spiffy, but none of the technology that Shin-Ra displays would suggest technology on the level of that jet. All their helicopters are small choppers designed for traveling short distances, and their planes are all transport vessels.

The company built the Shinra-28 which had rocket-propelled technology, and the Highwind itself eventually got rocket boosters itself. If you look at the jet itself, you'll see two rocket boosters as well. Why is so hard to believe?

Also, the letters "KD" are on the crashed plane. Any idea what they may mean? I was thinking Kalm Division, but that wouldn't make much sense.

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Also, the letters "KD" are on the crashed plane. Any idea what they may mean? I was thinking Kalm Division, but that wouldn't make much sense.

It could maybe be the pilot's initials or nickname. Still, funny place to have it, so, I suppose maybe it could be that it just says 'D' (the shape that could be a 'K' just rust or dirt) , and it's a squadron realted letter: This plane may have been aircraft D in a flight of at least 4.

Still, this is all totally working under the assumption we ignore occam's razor still becuase quite frankly, the simplest explaination here is incredibly borign and it's far more interesting to look into the other options.

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Hmm... KD huh? maybe its just the model that the plane is.. i cant think of anything else.

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if u look closely I think it kinda looks like an F-15 but thats just my opinion. It probably crashed on its way to Wutia like people said.

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well, in the case of the enola gay (hiroshima bomb) it was actually named some number/letter combo - they just christened it the enola gay right before they took off, and it was the name of the pilot's mother i believe - maybe the circumstances were (if vaguely) similar

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