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I've been thinking about Rosa's true Class. The game says she's a "White Mage."
But she looks nothing like one. She looks like Celes because of the green leotard, the armor (On the shoulder only) and the cape.. And I was like wtf that's not a White Mage!

When I got into a battle I saw Rosa's commands like this:

Fight
White Magic
Aim
Heal (Don't remember the name but this command used Cure 1 on all characters without MP I think.)
Item

When I saw the "Aim" command, it didn't seem very "White Mage" of Rosa..

This is the question: Is Rosa a Hunter or a White Mage? I think she's a hunter because in FFIIIj Hunters can use white magic but weaker ones only.. But in FFIV it says "White Mage."

I don't know what class she really is.. And I'm certain that White Mages in FFIIIj never used bows and cross bows... Unlike Paladin Cecil, Rosa, and some other people in FF4.

What do you think Rosa's true class is? Here's a sprite:

Both. She does both white magic, and uses a bow.

Therefore she is both.

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Classes are just classifications. There's nothing saying that, just because a character can use a bow, they're an archer.

The vast majority of Rosa's commands are white-magic spells and abilities, the game describers her as such, and her primary role in battle is to heal the party and use offensive white magic (when you get some.) She has a MUCH more defensive role than most of the other characters (definitely the most defensive character in the final party) and in no way comes close to being as powerful, physically, as a character whose class is combat-oriented should be.

Therefore, she's not an archer, but a white mage with a bow.

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Quote (LockewithCeles @ 7th May 2005 21:38)

I've been thinking about Rosa's true Class. The game says she's a "White Mage."

Ah ah ah! It says she's a White Wizard.

Well, "Wh. Wiz," anyway.

Don't know if it makes a difference or not, but there you are. I say she's a white mage(/wizard) because she wears a whitish cape, can learn all white magics, has the basic stats, uses armor like "white" that is mage-friendly, and can use staves if she so desires.

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Not much of a differrence, Laura, just translation differrence.

Anyway, I think Rosa was sort of a huntress before she started to learn white magic, therefore she can be classified as both.

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She calls herself a White Wizard/Mage in the game, so I take it that's her profession of choice. Just goin' by her commands, "White Magic", "Pray"/"Heal"/Whatever and "Aim", it seems she's predominantly a mage. No reason why she can't be an archer on the side, though. After all, not all mages choose to use rods/staves. Look at Rydia and her whips; doesn't mean she moonlights as a dominatrix (hopefully).

So I'd say she's both, but one a little more than the other.



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Well, if she was in a modern setting, she'd probably be carrying small arms: pistols or SMGS, and wearing a red cross: she'd be a medic.

So, I say she's the FF4 nearest equivelant of a feild medic: White Mage. Maybe she was trained up as part of a defensive militia though, hence why she uses a bow. So, we could say she was trained as a Militiawoman medic, a Ranger, or, to put it another way, Hunter. So it's kind of both.

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I was going to say both but then I remembered that this is Final Fantasy we're talking about here. There could possibly be a job type system we can't interact with. She's a White Mage with the abilites Equip Bow and Aim equipped.

Anyway, she's primarily a White Mage. Like a Mage, she's not too good at fighting and can't equip very heavy things and has a grand arsenal of spells. She can also use a good deal of the various staves. The archery thing's pretty secondary. I mean since when have you use Aim with Rosa for an entire (serious) fight? Story wise, they type casted her as a White Mage in various places. Can't really say I remember anybody refering to her as an Archer myself. So yeah, she's a White Mage.

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The game says that she's a white mage. Other characters talk about her being a white mage. She's a white mage.

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The game says that she's a white mage.  Other characters talk about her being a white mage.  She's a white mage.

The game world's rules are the game world's rules. If a game comes out and features a sword-weilding white mage with white magic and swordskills, then it's a white mage, end of story. The game world is what defines these things, and anything else is just a (wrongful) interpretation to match one's subjective idea of what a white mage would be.

Bottom line being, if a white mage in the FF4 game world can use a bow, then a white mage in the FF4 game world can use a bow without being an archer or some supra-ambiguous amalgamation of classes. It's not rocket science.

So it has been prophecised by the great queen salami... All hail The Queen!

This post has been edited by Silverlance on 8th May 2005 23:17

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For me, Rosa is, was, and always will be a white mage, and a white mage only.
That's just me though, as I hate "archers"

Quote (Silverlance @ 8th May 2005 18:12)

The game world's rules are the game world's rules. If a game comes out and features a sword-weilding white mage with white magic and swordskills, then it's a white mage, end of story. The game world is what defines these things, and anything else is just a (wrongful) interpretation to match one's subjective idea of what a white mage would be.

Bottom line being, if a white mage in the FF4 game world can use a bow, then a white mage in the FF4 game world can use a bow without being an archer or some supra-ambiguous amalgamation of classes. It's not rocket science.

So it has been prophecised by the great queen salami... All hail The Queen!

True, but given that white mages don't normally possess archer equipment and skills, I don't think it's outta line to say the qualities of one class were intentionally merged with another. Of course, that doesn't make Rosa an archer instead of a white mage, or Edge a thief instead of a ninja, or Gilbert/Edward a chemist instead of a bard, etc., but for the sake of nit-picking I think these secondary abilities deserve some sorta classification, even if the character doesn't fit the corresponding class. Otherwise, yes: What the game says they are is what they are.

But by your logic, would it be wrong to ever consider Rydia a black mage? Not saying the great queen salami (hail!) is wrong, but Her Highness could give me some insight.

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I agree with everyone's white mage logic.

For instance: Rydia is a summoner (caller). This is an extremely important part of her characterization and story in the game. She can also use black magic, and at the beginning both black and white, but this makes her neither a black mage nor a red mage. She is a summoner. Even though she doesn't have a horn.

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Basically, if the game world has, for instance, thieves with a "sing" ability, well hey, they're not bards, they're thieves. With a sing ability. It's not rocket science, it's just how the game world is set up. Just because the "traditional" thief we're used to is an item-stealing dagger-weilding rogue (nitpick: "rouge" is a damned color. Not a fraudulent scoundrel. That spelling irritates me to no end! ) it doesn't mean another game can decide its thieves sing instead.

By my logic, Rydia would be whatever the game considers her to be. A summoner who knows black magic. I can give my FFT summoner a secondary "black magic" ability and that doesn't change my class, so I don't see why this wouldn't be possible anyways.

The great queen salami is never wrong. It is merely our interpretation of Her word which sometimes is. ...Like that one time with the goat; that was embarassing. >_>

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Both. The white mage/wizard part is pretty obvious. As for being an archer, she uses bows best, and has an Aim ability. Good enough to count, in my opinion. The only archer characteristic she doesn't have is X-Fight, but that wasn't yet invented.

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Both. Each character in FFIV has two jobs they can be identified as.

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You could probably look at both Rosa and Rydia in the FFXI sense of Main Job / Sub Job.

Rosa - White Mage / Ranger
Rydia - Summoner / Black Mage

Though Rydia's aresenal of Black Magic may see those combinations swapping.. up to the individual opinion there.

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Both. Each character in FFIV has two jobs they can be identified as.

...Really?

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Kain?
Cecil? (Unless you count Paladin as Fighter/White Mage)
Palom?
Parom?
Yang?
Kid Rydia? (That's 3, not 2.)
Cid?
Edward?

I can see how Edge can be an assassin/ninja and most spell-casters white/black mages, but then again who's to say FF4 characters are going to stick by class systems that vary considerably between games anyhow instead of its own personal classes?

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Cecil - Dark Knight & Paladin
Edge - Ninja & Thief
Edward - Bard & Chemist
Rosa - White Wizard & Archer
Rydia - Summoner & Black Wizard
Palom - Black Wizard & Twin Mage
Porom - White Wizard & Twin Mage

Tella, FuSoYa, Yang, Cid, and Cain have two jobs because of terminology/translation issues. Tella is a Sage and/or a Red Mage, and Cain is a Dragon Knight and/or Dragoon, for example.

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With all due respect man, that sounds like one hell of a stretch. Not to mention that the game itself makes mention of a SINGLE character class for everyone.

Should be noted that this game WAS released before 5 and Tactics. If for some completely unimportant reason the FF world even HAD a static, well-defined, common-to-all-games set of classes, only those from 1 and 3 would be valid (2 as well, but it didn't exactly have classes as such) and anything else would be new material being introduced by Square. So...

I would honestly doubt FF4's characters are constructed from 2 classes. It seems to me more like they're either a single class with a single ability either borrowed from another class or unique in itself. Mainly from FF3.

Cecil (Dk Knight): Fighter + DWave[Unique]
Cecil (Paladin): Paladin + White[Paladin]
Kain: Dragoon + Jump[Dragoon]
Rydia (Kid): Sage
Rydia (Adult): Summoner + Black[Black Mage]
Tellah: Sage - Summon[Sage]
Edward: Bard + Hide[Unique]
Yang: Karateka + Kick[Unique] - Accumulate[Karateka]
Palom: Black Mage + Twin[Unique]
Porom: White Mage + Twin[Unique]
Rosa: White Mage + Aim[Unique]
Cid: Viking + Peep[Scholar]
Edge: Ninja + Steal[Thief] + Ninja Magic[Unique]
FuSoYa: Sage - Summon[Sage]

Just the way I see it. Nearly all characters are built on a class from FF3 and given an extra ability. ALL characters have MAJOR changes from preexisting classes, however. I think it's Square's way of saying not every character that's class 'x' is going to be a cookie-cutter model that applies fully to what class 'x' is defined as. Nothing would prevent a white mage from learning archery, or a Bard from being a coward, or even a Karateka from learning new moves.

Again, my 2 cents.

This post has been edited by Silverlance on 14th May 2005 03:48

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I just realized that I should have specified, additionally, that Rosa is not a Hunter (or 'Huntress', if you're picky about wording). She would be an Archer and White Mage.

I agree with what someone said about her kind of person, in the Baronian military, that such a 'unit' would function mainly as defense (healing) but could also be called to offense (long-distance attacks) for offense purposes or just in case.

Also, Silverlance:
Cecil: Dark Knight
Cecil: Paladin (comes with basic white magic anyways, not an 'additional' skill)
Kain: Dragoon ('Jump' IS the dragoon's specialty)
Rydia: White Mage + Black Mage + Summoner
Tellah: Sage (white and black magic included), or Black Wizard + White Wizard if you prefer (sorry, 'Amnesiac' is not a valid character class)
Edward: Bard + Medic (using items to heal - only in FFIVj) (sorry, 'Wuss' is not a valid character class)
Rosa: White Wizard + Archer
Yang: Martial Artist (BuildUp and Kick are both standard to this class, which is also called 'Monk' or 'Karateka')
Palom and Porom: White/Black Wizard (I can't remember which is who) + Combo (yes, I made that up, but the Twin ability is defintely not a mage-based ability)
Cid: Engineer/Mechanic (using a hammer) + Scholar (Peep)
Edge: Ninja (it's safe to assume that 'Ninja' magic is part of the Ninja c.c.)+ Thief (Sneak)
FuSoYa: Sage (again, White + Black) + Priest (Prayer - only in FFIVj)

A majority of the characters, including Rosa, do indeed have the characteristics of more than one character class (or 'characteristic class', more accurately).

(Also, I don't know of Tellah or FuSoYa being able to summon.)

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I was talking about which class, as established by previous FFs (mainly 3j), the characters had. Any other class has not been introduced prior to FF4 is either fair game for absolutely any ability/stat/equipmentset, or indication that, hey, FF NEVER follows a static formula for its classes anyways.

Basic things remain the same, but an FF3j geomancer is quite different from an FFT geomancer. An FF3j ninja couldn't throw items, but later changed. An FF1 thief is in no way like an FF5 thief, who in turn is quite different from an FFT thief (no steal, steal items, steal specific equipment/items/money/whatever.) Heck, even a paladin goes from fighter+white mage in FF3j to fighter with sword techs in FFT:A.

Just like an FF1 white mage is quite different from an FF4 white mage.

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I know it's kind of a moot point, since they're not real people, hence, before you turn on the game they didn't have lives, but I always though maybe Rosa's history was that she's from a family of archers/hunters. She (or was it that white mage in Baron Castle?) says she learned white magic to help Cecil. So, she learned it later in life. She wasn't raised as a white mage. She gets very good at it, has a natural affinity, etc, but her first "job" was Archer.

Also, has anyone ever thought that Rydia has the sub-job of Trainer/Beastmaster? I mean, not exactly as it has existed in other games, but the whip and her being able to control monsters (which I know is due to her being a Summoner) is kind of neat. Like she needs more jobs though. Her business card must be pretty muddled.

**Rydia Mist **
Summoner
Black Mage
Trainer
White Mage (part-time)



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I was talking about which class, as established by previous FFs (mainly 3j), the characters had. Any other class has not been introduced prior to FF4 is either fair game for absolutely any ability/stat/equipmentset, or indication that, hey, FF NEVER follows a static formula for its classes anyways.

Basic things remain the same, but an FF3j geomancer is quite different from an FFT geomancer. An FF3j ninja couldn't throw items, but later changed. An FF1 thief is in no way like an FF5 thief, who in turn is quite different from an FFT thief (no steal, steal items, steal specific equipment/items/money/whatever.) Heck, even a paladin goes from fighter+white mage in FF3j to fighter with sword techs in FFT:A.

Just like an FF1 white mage is quite different from an FF4 white mage.

Actually, the Ninjas in FFIIIj could THROW weapons.. Just put a shuriken on a hand and attack with it.. But you'll lose it once you do that.. But that's a very realistic Throw!

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I know it's kind of a moot point, since they're not real people, hence, before you turn on the game they didn't have lives, but I always though maybe Rosa's history was that she's from a family of archers/hunters. She (or was it that white mage in Baron Castle?) says she learned white magic to help Cecil. So, she learned it later in life. She wasn't raised as a white mage. She gets very good at it, has a natural affinity, etc, but her first "job" was Archer.

Actually, Rosa's mother hints at herself becoming a white mage for the sake of a Dark Knight (Rosa's Father).

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You know, i really don't think it matters much, maybe they wanted to cross class in this game. Maybe they did that to confuse us. i say both and leave it at that.

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What I like about the idea of having characters be their own jobs and not swapping around is the occasionally merger of two or more jobs. Rosa is an ideal example of this. She uses white magic with incredible skill, but also makes for an ample fighter with her bow.

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Well, in that case wouldn't Rydia be a Whipuser, too?
Personally I think she'd be a white mage, though her outfit doesn't look it. She's got the white cape, but that's it.

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