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A friend of mine thinks that it is impossible to beat Ruby Weapon and refuses to believe that I have (even though I have)...he has beat Emerald weapon and insists that Emerald was easier.
Personally I had an easier time beating Ruby...I don't really know why but I did...and I didn't even have KOR the first time I beat them.

Which was harder for you to beat?

Also one more thing I forgot to ask...who beat Emerald without the underwater Materia?

This post has been edited by Sephiroth on 4th April 2004 10:31

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Ruby is vulnerable to Stop/Hades, and Emerald has more HP and a more devastating attack unless you go in with few materia. No contest, in my opinion.

I have the impression that summoning KotR on the Ruby Weapon was a bad idea anyway, since its reply to that particular summon was usually Ultima.

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IMO Emerald was much easier then ruby (I was never able to finish that battle). But with Emerald I just equipped KOTR connected with HP Absorb and Mimic. That way his Air Tam (sp) attack would only do 3,333 and I would anhilate him quite easily.

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The Ruby Weapon was harder, but an easy way to beat him is to beat the emerald weapon 1st and be at Lv. 99 when you fight the Ruby Weapon and Have one character with Mimic, another with KOTR (Kights of the Round.) And the last one with W-Item, have 99 Megalixers (Yes it is possible, with the W-Tiem Glitch). Now when it buys its claws into the sand Use KOTR and have the character W/ W-Item usea megalixer and another item. Then Repeat and fit in mimic occasionally. I forgot the rest, sorry, I beat him back in November, so my memory is a bit rusty, Good Luck on either of the weapons.

You know come to think of it it's been about 3 years if not longer since I beat the Weapons so my memory of how to do it is a little rusty also.I do seem to remember them both having over a million HP and being much MUCH harder than Sephiroth himself was...but then again...the first time I beat them I didn't even know about KOR since I never used a walkthrough on this game and my strongest Materias were Coin,Zero Bahamut and Ultima when I beat them...of course I had final attack maxed out on all characters (god didi that take a LONG time) equiped with Phoenix maxed out.

This post has been edited by Sephiroth on 1st April 2004 20:49

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Climhazzard is the timeless evil robot who runs some of the cool stuff at CoN (mostly logging chat, since there are no quizzes at the moment), all the while watching and waiting for his moment to take over the world. -Tiddles

i found emerald to be harder

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Ruby was unfair since you had only one character to use on him, the fact of any loophole around that is irrelevant, the designers still tried to intend that scenario. Emerald was full party battle, so to compensate against the strength in numbers, it had 'friends' on its shoulders. If you really wish to compare, use a single save file and beat Emerald, load the same file and beat Ruby. Whichever gives a harder time for you is the winner.

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Ruby was unfair since you had only one character to use on him, the fact of any loophole around that is irrelevant, the designers still tried to intend that scenario. Emerald was full party battle, so to compensate against the strength in numbers, it had 'friends' on its shoulders. If you really wish to compare, use a single save file and beat Emerald, load the same file and beat Ruby. Whichever gives a harder time for you is the winner.

I hadn't thought of that. Ruby probably would indeed be the more difficult of the two with only one character, as intended, I imagine. But it still has a good 200,000 fewer HP than Emerald, and still that big chink in its armour of which so few people seem to take advantage, its vulnerability to Stop. If you can just keep rattling off the Hades summon every time it starts to move again, it'll hardly ever get a chance to attack, though with one character, fending off more than one attack while trying to re-stop it might be a tough proposition.

Even so, I must say that Emerald is harder. He took me hundreds of tries, and my first time through the game, I couldn't beat him until Lv. 77, whereas I was only Lv. 68 when I beat Ruby. The simple Mime/X-Summon W/Hades and KotR, or any one of the Bahamuts, was simply too much of a weakness for Ruby Weapon. Perhaps if he was immune to paralyze, he would have presented a challenge. Also Tidds, a simple way to live through an attack. When he un-paralyzes, and if he attacks before you do, simply use X-Item. Elixer and Dazer (Cheap item found randomly from some monster or another, it paralyzes.) Make sure you have plenty of HP Plus, or a natural 9999, or just MAJOR high defense, or he MAY (likely not, just be safe) take you out in one hit.

This post has been edited by Spoony Bard on 2nd April 2004 18:32

i found having one character made the battle easier, just mime the little bastrd to death

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I never beat any of them

They're equal to me. Emerald had lots of attacks which did 9999 damage, but rubys ultima did only : 6399 damage

If you take too long to beat Ruby he becomes a lot more liable to do Quicksand, and he also starts doing Ultima too frequently for healing. I appreciate Tiddles's Hades method but didn't know it when I played so Ruby was harder for me. Considering Ruby's status attacks I'd say they're roughly equal, but extremely different.

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I killed both Emerald & Ruby Weapon, and I think Emerald was by far the harder of the two. I was able to beat Ruby Weapon after only a dozen or so tries. Emerald Weapon was a much different story. It took me months of training and more tries than I could count before I finally wasted this mountain of raw strength. Sephiroth seemed like a joke compared to Emerald Weapon.

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I found Ruby to be harder even with the Hades strategy. I found that often when he would start moving, he would get in an attack before I could shoot off Hades, and it would often be very devastating. I didn't really have any problem with Emmy -- I didn't even have KOTR. I had about ten mastered Counter Attack materias on Cloud along with one mastered Cover.

This post has been edited by Neal on 4th April 2004 07:38

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Emerald is harder, definately. I couldnt beat him without the underwater materia, though. But i survived the whole time limit .
I had a much easier time with Ruby

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i had a hard time wit both even though i had a near invincible party with near all materias. they were both pain in the auses. the first time i ran into emerald i had no idea who he was and i just got the sub. BADDD idea. he whiped the floor wit me, it was embarissing. i find emerald easy because you can use final attack with phoenix, you cannot do that with ruby cuz he'll absorb it.

I had a MUCH harder time with emerald. Ruby, once you got his patern down,was (relatively) easy. Emerald was pure evil- especially that Aire Tam storm trick. I maned to beat him with Underwtaer, and all 3 members using Final Attack+Phoenix, and Cloud having Fina Attack+KoTR.

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How do U get the Final Attack Materia, I haven't played FFVII in a long time though, I am just a bit curious.

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How do U get the Final Attack Materia, I haven't played FFVII in a long time though, I am just a bit curious.

Toward the end of the game you have to go o the Battle Arena in Gold Sauc r and when you enter and go up to the counter you will be offered a SPECIAL battle where you ha"e to fight all the bosses of the battle arena with the last boss as Proud Clod...after you beat the Special battle you will get final attack.

Also...after three days of mastering materia and leveling up I went to bea0 Emerald WEAPON last night and killed him in one try, I was quite happy considering I was looki*g away from the screen and talking to my friend through over half the battle.
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In a few days or whenever I can find the time I'm going to have my friend Jason video tape me killing Ruby WEAPO so that the guy I reffered to in the beginning of the topic will see that it is possible to ki(l him...I'll let you all know his reaction since I'm sure it'll be funny.

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Ok...last night my friend and I set up a camera to tape myself killing Ruby WEAPON. I killed off both of the characters that "eren't Cloud characters before I went into battle and as so+n as I made it in I decided to try some hing...now I don't know if anyone else knows this b t I found that ressurecting th! other two characters after the battle begins and as long as yo$ don(;t physically attack Ruby with anyone that he will never suck your characters under the sand, n~w like I said I killed 0he two before I went into battle and rezed them after the fight started. So after I figured that out I used Tiddles' method of Hades to ensure that he was btopped. I found that casting Hades and KoTR with W-summon and then mimicing it only allowed him to hit me 3 times throughout the entire fight (which only lasted about 10 minutes at that) which was one hit from Ruby and two hits from the arms behind you so there you have it, I killed Rubh in one try and now maybe more people understand why I think he is easi r.

This post has been edited by Sephiroth on 11th May 2004 17:34

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Climhazzard is the timeless evil robot who runs some of the cool stuff at CoN (mostly logging chat, since there are no quizzes at the moment), all the while watching and waiting for his moment to take over the world. -Tiddles

I hate weapon emerald he drives me nuts especially beating the beast with a timer!!!!!!

I think Ruby is weak compare to him.

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Sorry if that was a little unclear. I never beat Emerald, but I beat Ruby without getting hit. Emerald anihilated me. Completely.

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I hate weapon emerald he drives me nuts especially beating the beast with a timer!!!!!!

You have to get the underwater materia, that will get rid of the timer, you need to have somone with morph materia and use it on a ghost ship. and you will get a guide book, take to the man in Kalm and he will give U the materia U need.

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Sorry if that was a little unclear. I never beat Emerald, but I beat Ruby without getting hit. Emerald anihilated me. Completely.

I don't know if you have tryed beating the Emerald WEAPON with Final Attack Materia but if you haven't and don't know how to get it here it is.


Toward the end of the game you have to go to the Battle Arena in Gold Saucer and when you enter and go up to the counter you will be offered a SPECIAL battle where you have to fight all the bosses of the battle arena with the last boss as Proud Clod...after you beat the Special battle you will get final attack.
(by the end of the game I mean the 3rd disc).

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Climhazzard is the timeless evil robot who runs some of the cool stuff at CoN (mostly logging chat, since there are no quizzes at the moment), all the while watching and waiting for his moment to take over the world. -Tiddles

Believe me or not, I've owned Emerald without the underwater materia in 10 to 12 minutes tops. its just ruby keeps knockin one of my characters out of the battle. Why does he do that?!

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Believe me or not, I've owned Emerald without the underwater materia in 10 to 12 minutes tops. its just ruby keeps knockin one of my characters out of the battle. Why does he do that?!

if you will kill off two charatcers and then go into battle and then ressurect them as longf as you don't attack him physically then nothing should happen...he shouldn't suck them down...that's how it worked the las time I beat him anyway.
as for your underwater materia thing...I do believe that...I have heard ogf people using coin to do it.

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Climhazzard is the timeless evil robot who runs some of the cool stuff at CoN (mostly logging chat, since there are no quizzes at the moment), all the while watching and waiting for his moment to take over the world. -Tiddles

I tried final attack. I didn't master it, or even come close, though. Emerald weapon owned me, and the underwater materia didn't matter at all for me. I was dead by then anyways. Why did they makem him so easy to run into early on, though?

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Quote (Fox @ 16th May 2004 03:37)

I tried final attack. I didn't master it, or even come close, though. Emerald weapon owned me, and the underwater materia didn't matter at all for me. I was dead by then anyways. Why did they makem him so easy to run into early on, though?

I'm not really sure why they made Emerald so easy to run into early on...they wer5en't in the Japanese version so there is no telling why they made it that way. America can do some pretty stupid things as far as video games go. As for Final Attack, MAster it three times and then Master Phoenix three times and then link them together on each character then mast Knights of Round for each Character and a mime Materia for each...if you'll do tha then you should have a pretty solid chance of winning if you know the item glitch so you can get unlimited megalixers.

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Climhazzard is the timeless evil robot who runs some of the cool stuff at CoN (mostly logging chat, since there are no quizzes at the moment), all the while watching and waiting for his moment to take over the world. -Tiddles