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Well just the other day was the anniversary of a passing of one of my friends...and I couldnt help but remember how he always said "wll if thats what fate wants...". I just have one thing to say and i hope it doesnt get Censored but FUCK FATE.I mean are we supposed to live our lives knowing that we are supposed to be something? We can make our own so there is no path layen before us to follow.So can i have some peoples opinion on this plz and im sorry mr Tibbles for cussing.

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Fate is a force which is thought to determine ones path. but no fate is sure. we come to certain crossroads in our lifes at times. Fate is only what is thought to happen in the grand design. Now if fate and destiny are one in the same. Then yes there could be a force that predicts what will happen. But predictions arent always true now are they? Humans have choices... and galileo's third law states that for every action there is a reaction. in essence there is a fate. a fate for every human being. every human being is thier own fate.  now this may sound silly but its true. as i have said the choices we make determines what happens. fate determines what happens. but WE determine what happens. so humans are their own fate. and thats the fact jack!

Thank you... Thank you....

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I've had something happen to me that made me think about something along those lines.  Not so much fate I think as much as if perhaps there's something that controls the timing in our world.  I'll call it God, since most everyone else, though I don't think they realize that they're probably not thinkin about the one in the bible.

Ever since perhaps the beginning of high school, I began to notice a pattern in my life.  I would go through a quarter just lazin away only doing my homework when it suited me and usually getting the progress reports to prove it.  Then I'd hafta haul ass to get back up to respectable (read: passing) grades 'fore the semester ended.  Soon enough, I got tired of that pattern and finally tried to make something of my high school years.  But still I struggled.  Whenever I actually applied myself to working hard, it turned out to be very easy to stay focused once I got on track, but inevitably some large distraction would derail me and I'd be back to playing catch up.  Whether it was a family trip to Tahoe that would cost me a week of school, or a car accident that would cost me two weeks and my job, any success I achieved that lasted longer than a week would enevitably lead to tragedy of a most unexpected sort.

I do believe in fate, but I don't believe it in the level that most other people do (i. e. destiny).  I think it's a more of a moment to moment thing.  I agree with your sentiment about it, however.  I believe in fate and I hate it.

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I believe in fate, too, though my experience with it has been a fairly happy one...for example, I firmly believe it was fate that got me into my college (obviously with considerable work on my part).  I think fate is doing the 'right' thing at the right time.  Or the wrong thing at the wrong time.  Or the wrong thing at the right time... anyways, I think at certain points in your life fate presents you with options, though you may not be aware of it, and your decision determines the future, at least for a little while.  Kind of like a Choose Your Own Adventure book.  Because it's not really your OWN adventure (there are fixed consequences at the end), but you do have wriggle room and a say in the outcome.

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Bah.
'Fate' is just what you call it when you don't know the name of the guy who's jerking you around.

Fate is destiny.  Destiny is your Fate.  And you control your Destiny, thus your Fate.

...That dint made any senes, dint it?

I don't believe in fate. After playing Crono Cross I REFUSE to believe in fate. We control every single outcome of every aspect of our lives. We choose what we want, not what some deity or mystic force has already chosen for us centuries ago.

To me, fate is only a lack of freedom to choose. If you are too weak minded to choose your own path, then that is fate, because everything else will control you, and you yourself will be run by others, only because you have no will power to create your own life.

I live by only one rule, and that rule deicides my entire life. That rule is simple, "Do What You Want". I do whatever I feel I need to do, not because some other force wanted me to, but because my own human conscience deicided to do it.

My point is, you create your own fate. Either you willingly and awarely choose your own path, or you give in to the beliefs of fate and do what was "destined" for you to do, a cheap excuse used for when your subconscience makes desicions for you, which is really all it is.

My own statement makes no sense to me. Good luck trying to figure out what the hell I just said.

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I believe your fae is predetermined, but you make your predetermined fate.

The end.

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Fate eh? This argument has gone on for many years past and will be going on for many more in the future. No one can fully clarify this. People will believe what they want, and that's how it is, I, myself believe that you choose what happens and that's how it is.

People tend to believe in, and thus defend, the things that can't be proven wrong more avidly than the things that CAN be proven wrong.
That is why it's a safe thing to belive in.

So what does the forum at large now, 9 years of crazy life events later, think? Do you believe in fate? Whether your reason is

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]the anniversary of a passing of one of my friends

or simply

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Crono Cross

everyone has their own beliefs. I think I'm in control of my own actions, but I also recognize that if fate exists then I was probably fated to think I was in control of myself. Shorter answer: I dunno if fate exists but probably not.

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To me, fate was always something that was intertwined with other concepts such as that of soul mates.

I never used to believe in either.


Warning: Digression ahead (also, sick buckets at the ready, guys)


But, when I met my other half, I did start to believe in it. We have been through a fair bit together, and she has been the most caring and wonderful person to me. It's not much of an exaggeration to say that she's got me to where I am today, and has stuck by me well beyond the point of sanity.

We should have broken up. We did, for a short while, but neither of us were able to think about anybody but each other, despite the pain we were causing ourselves.

And now we're happily back together, and for the better.

So I do believe that she's my soul mate. Even when all common sense is screaming that we shouldn't have been together, we still felt an unbreakable bond.



Apologies for the digression, but the reason is this:

Starting to believe in soul mates did make me believe more in fate.

However, I have since realised that the two are not so strongly linked as I had thought. I do believe in soul mates, but I believe it's also possible to miss out on meeting your soul mate, through bad luck, chance, and shitty circumstances. Some people find them, some don't. Some find them and lose them.

I think that life does throw up certain affinities, and certain things are more likely to happen than others. But I don't believe that to be fate - I just think it's a natural extension of the fact that we are drawn to things we like/relate to/see in ourselves, whether we consciously realise it or not. As such, certain events can seem to be fated, when really they were just logical destinations given our personal tendencies.

I guess that last paragraph defeats my soul mates argument too. Oh well...

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I absolutely and unequivocally don't believe in Fate (as some sort of cosmic guiding hand).

Every once in a while I consider the possibility of a mechanistic universe, but I like to imagine that my current choices have not been determined by my current brain state, which state in turn was determined by previous choices leading to previous states, such that I never really had a choice anyway. But yeah, Fate as some sort of cosmic director is right out. And, ultimately, even if we live in a mechanistic/deterministic universe, I still act as though I have a choice (and often go against my instinct).

> Is there such a thing as fate?

Yes:


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Honestly, I'm not totally sure, but with this last year, I find myself thinking of fate more negatively. (Otherwise, some sternly written letters are in order.) Granted, there always would be the relief that certain things in life aren't really your fault. I'd have to say I probably believe in a very generalized fate, such as humanity/the world moving in a certain direction, that the small details aren't that important. It makes me happy to believe that, anyway.

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Well, scientifically/mathematically? No. If you understand chaos theory, you realize that most patterns are formed out of millions of random events. Take weather vs. climate, for instance. Weather is unpredictable, but climate (or weather over time) is predictable.

In that sense, I believe you can conceive an idea of fate. First of all, I believe there is a subjective fate that each of us may or may not personally feel. This is an individual reaction to our own mortality, and with personal tragedies/triumphs.

Actions are at their core random, but over time patterns occur, and there is a chain of cause and effect. This can create a karmic sense of fate. A negative decision will cause negative events to occur.

And much like the people that opposed slavery/civil rights, it can be said that they were "fated" to lose, if you see where I'm coming from.

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I don't believe in destiny totally, but I believe that almost? all of our decisions are pre-determined. Not by destiny, but by ourselves; we wouldn't go on with the decision if it wasn't us, ourselves. With the same experience, mood and so on you always will hit the same decision.

Sure, some time later you might think "What I was doing?" or "I would decide otherwise today", but that's my point: You didn't have this experience, knowledge, at the time of the decision.

Though, this doesn't mean our characters are pre-determined and we can't change or beeing influenced, we surely can do. It is just we can't really decide what we are doing, but our future decisions can be changed dramatically with our knowledge and attitudes.

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Fate eh? This argument has gone on for many years past and will be going on for many more in the future. No one can fully clarify this. People will believe what they want, and that's how it is, I, myself believe that you choose what happens and that's how it is.

I wrote this 9 years ago and I suppose it should be updated. I still believe the universe is not predetermined, but I have struggled with explaining why it is. We are collections of atoms arranged according to the laws of nature, and I have learned that these laws are "unbreakable". In that sense, it seems like we are locked into what the laws allow our atoms to do. In the opposite sense, on the quantum level of matter, things appear literally random. Since I have no real answer the question, I let my intuition be the guide.

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This came up in the religious topic we had and I'll say the same thing again. There's no way of knowing if everything is predestined or not so I take a practical approach and say that it doesn't matter either way so I don't really have an answer. Even if you were to say I could jump in front of a bus tomorrow, you probably won't, and if you did you couldn't be sure that wasn't your destiny.

What I would say however is that in theory I think everything is predictable so in that sense our destinies could be mapped out from our environment. If we could somehow calculate all the masses of information in the world and everything that could affect a person no matter how construed, it would be possible to predict all the different eventualities even if that meant millions arranged in order of likelihood. So there wouldn't be a clear destiny but where you end up could be predicted from birth. I mean things like nominative determinism, parents' jobs, family, location, language, school and all the rest of it. If you imagined an animal in a cage it's possible to predict its lifespan and what it will do each day. Just expand that idea to a human and there you go. I mean that it's possible in theory, not that I could see such a thing being done soon, or that I would have any idea how to go about it other than putting data into some kind of supercomputer.

This whole topic reminds me of this legendary comic strip. SMBC.

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We control every single outcome of every aspect of our lives.

Without even going into religion, this statement is false. I did not control the man who slammed his truck into me. Not did I control the tire that blew while I was driving down the road. We do not control every single outcome and aspect of our lives.

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Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 23rd October 2002 18:28)

We control every single outcome of every aspect of our lives.

Without even going into religion, this statement is false. I did not control the man who slammed his truck into me. Not did I control the tire that blew while I was driving down the road. We do not control every single outcome and aspect of our lives.

Granted, I wrote this as a naive and somewhat ignorant teenager almost a decade ago. I don't necessarily think that even then I believed something quite so literal or all encompassing, but rather was making an extreme statement to try and sound profound. That said, I take it back. Teenage DF was an idiot. Ignore him. We don't control every outcome of every event that transpires around us. I do believe, however, that we have a lot more say in things than we realize and that even without fully understanding what we're doing, our actions and decisions have consequences that may come at a time or in such a way that feels random or unrelated. Of course random things occur. Of course things take place that are beyond the control of any individual. I just think that sometimes, we fail to see the true reach of the things we say or do. I still don't believe in fate all these years later. I think it's kind of sad (in the tragic sense) to imagine our choices are meaningless in the grand scheme of things because they were somehow predetermined. I think I touched upon this in the religion thread when I said that anything that lessens the free will of a person also, to some extent, cheapens their existence. Our success becomes less of an achievement if we were 'meant' to have it.

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Quote (Chewbekah @ 9th August 2011 23:08)

Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 23rd October 2002 18:28)

We control every single outcome of every aspect of our lives.

Without even going into religion, this statement is false. I did not control the man who slammed his truck into me. Not did I control the tire that blew while I was driving down the road. We do not control every single outcome and aspect of our lives.

Granted, I wrote this as a naive and somewhat ignorant teenager almost a decade ago. I don't necessarily think that even then I believed something quite so literal or all encompassing, but rather was making an extreme statement to try and sound profound. That said, I take it back. Teenage DF was an idiot. Ignore him. We don't control every outcome of every event that transpires around us. I do believe, however, that we have a lot more say in things than we realize and that even without fully understanding what we're doing, our actions and decisions have consequences that may come at a time or in such a way that feels random or unrelated. Of course random things occur. Of course things take place that are beyond the control of any individual. I just think that sometimes, we fail to see the true reach of the things we say or do. I still don't believe in fate all these years later. I think it's kind of sad (in the tragic sense) to imagine our choices are meaningless in the grand scheme of things because they were somehow predetermined. I think I touched upon this in the religion thread when I said that anything that lessens the free will of a person also, to some extent, cheapens their existence. Our success becomes less of an achievement if we were 'meant' to have it.

Awww sorrry. I didn't look at the date on the post. Pre-determined without control seems like a more mainstream Christianity idea, thus is why I am not a mainstream Christian. One of the main principles behind Mormonism is agency and the freedom of choice. We believe in the idea of foreordination, meaning one can be meant for a certain path but even within foreordination one still has the choice to follow through or not. Therefore there is still freedom within that concept. As far as fate goes, I don't think there is definable fate that cannot be changed. At times it definitely seems like certain things, including difficult things have seemed meant to be because of how much I learned and grew from them or opportunities that I didn't control come up. I believe in that in a religious context. To make a Twilight reference (I try not to do that but I guess it happened) with the vampire that can see the future, she could only see it once the person had made their choice and I think that is true with how we live today. We have several paths available to us and our choices most of the time determine those paths, even when things we didn't choose happen.

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Fate is a force which is thought to determine ones path. but no fate is sure. we come to certain crossroads in our lifes at times. Fate is only what is thought to happen in the grand design. Now if fate and destiny are one in the same. Then yes there could be a force that predicts what will happen. But predictions arent always true now are they? Humans have choices... and galileo's third law states that for every action there is a reaction. in essence there is a fate. a fate for every human being. every human being is thier own fate.  now this may sound silly but its true. as i have said the choices we make determines what happens. fate determines what happens. but WE determine what happens. so humans are their own fate.

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