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Overall, which FF will survive the longest? Take into account the remakes, the fanbase and all other factors you think are relevant. If you imagine 100 years from now, will anyone still be playing I-XII, or will they all be wrapped up in CII? Also, 'vitality' does not mean a few die-hard fans will still play it every year or so, I mean a real endurance in time. Shakespeare has vitality, use that as a guideline.

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I completely forgot to mention, a game can be considered robust if it is influential to future games. If all RPGs lend themselves to the battle system of FFI then maybe in the next few decades we'll still be talking about the impact that game has had.

Technically, FFI is currently the longest survivor because of the successful remake. I haven't played it very far but I doubt it will outlast FFIV, which seems to perfect the same formula.

FFVII has a broad fanbase, but it's my guess that this will dwindle as more people move on to the next game like it. I've given up hope for a remake, which is a shame because the game warrants a redux. If they do finally get round to it that could have a great impact on its vitality.

FFIV, of all games, is the one I think will last the longest. As a speculation, I think the fans of FFIV are the most loyal. This could apply to FFVI as well but FFIV's are marginally more devoted to it. Hey, this could be completely untrue, unless I did some kind of broad survey there is no way of knowing.

This post has been edited by sweetdude on 27th June 2009 16:08

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Well, I guess that depends. Really, I don't believe that FFI is it, because it would have to contend with all the other FFs that have overshadowed it. But the ones in contention would be FFI, FFIV, FFVI and FFVII.

I don't think it would be FFI for the reasons I just stated.

FFIV, it is reasonable. Since 91 everyone has loved that game. And it is continuously ranked on other lists as one of the best games ever. In the 2005 IGN list, FFIV was ranked higher than any FF game.

but FFVI is too. here are two IGN lists for the game that show what I mean. IGN's Top 100 Games of All Time 2007; IGN Reader's Choice Top 100. FFVI is ranked very high on both lists. i think that many regard it either as a cult-like classic, or one of the greatest games ever made. i think the most important list is the Reader's Choice list, because that shows that there are many fans that still hold the game in such a high regard.

Now, I don't like using lists, or saying "Other people say..." comments. But that is really what this question is about: which will keep its popularity longer? And as much as I love FFVI, and I assume you love FFIV, we all know that FFVII is Squenix's darling. It is much more widespread. It launched on the Playstation, and it has sold more. Let's face it: most people know about it than IV or VI combined.

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NO! Final Fantasy VIII will last the longest.

I agree that FFIV may survive longer. I don't know anyone in the whole world who bashes on this game. If anyone here, please tell me!

Quote (Blades of Steel @ 27th June 2009 23:45)

NO! Final Fantasy VIII will last the longest.

im on my 31st playthrough of FF VIII. i cant possibly get bored of that game.

anyway, id say VII or X will last the longest, seeing as they keep making stuff for VII, and it was just released on PSN. and it seems everyone loves X, so yeah.

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I agree that FFIV may survive longer. I don't know anyone in the whole world who bashes on this game. If anyone here, please tell me!

Oh yes there are people who can't stand it. I think it was the 'FFIV or FFVI' thread or the 'Which is your favourite...' Have a look. Regardless, I'm glad you agree. I think we'll still be seeing it in the future. Personally, I don't mind the original but will never play it again, and the DS remake has put me off DS remakes for life.

FFVIII is strange. Of all the games it's still probably my third most replayable, with FFXII top and FFVII second. My FF playing friend and I seem to get back into FFVIII a lot more easily than the others. It requires little effort but there is so much to do. Actually the last time we played it was a level 7 Squall versus Omega challenge, which was amazingly easy in the end.

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I agree that FFIV may survive longer. I don't know anyone in the whole world who bashes on this game. If anyone here, please tell me!

Oh yes there are people who can't stand it. I think it was the 'FFIV or FFVI' thread or the 'Which is your favourite...' Have a look. Regardless, I'm glad you agree. I think we'll still be seeing it in the future. Personally, I don't mind the original but will never play it again, and the DS remake has put me off DS remakes for life.

FFVIII is strange. Of all the games it's still probably my third most replayable, with FFXII top and FFVII second. My FF playing friend and I seem to get back into FFVIII a lot more easily than the others. It requires little effort but there is so much to do. Actually the last time we played it was a level 7 Squall versus Omega challenge, which was amazingly easy in the end.

Jot me down some usernames who have tried to bash this wonderful relic of the past!

i don't think that IV, VI, or VII deserve to be bashed, unless you personally don't like the game, but that is personal. those three are always on G.O.A.T. lists. That's why I posted those two lists.

My opinion is, that if vitality means popularity, then it's probably FFVII.

If it is influence, it is probably FFIV, because it came first.

But, if it is respect, then I think FFVI. judging from the list, it is not only us who respect FFVI as one of the greatest games ever.

See, a compromise!

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Final Fantasy VII ? Because of all the sequels/ spin-offs it got and think it's getting a brand new game on the PS3 coming soon..

Though would like to see a older Final Fantasy triumph over Final Fantasy VII's spotlight.

But it be okay to say it will be a different one for each generation ?
because seem to believe that today's newer Final Fantasy players are more likely to remember something like Final Fantasy X.

While the older generation are more keen to support and stick up for Final Fantasy IV or Final Fantasy VI.

Even though apart of the younger generation.. would really love to see Final Fantasy IV remembered...

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Though would like to see a older Final Fantasy triumph over Final Fantasy VII's spotlight.

Well, I think FFVI can. Many people regard that as one of the greatest games ever. IGN ranked it within its top 10, you know. So many think that it already has overtaken FFVII.

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Well, indeed, it seems VII is taking the cake in many ways, largely because of the blatant pimping by Squenix. However, one can't deny that the realm of Ivalice is becoming a popular setting as well and I think it could have a go at longevity as well. FFXII and FFTA are probably divisions of the franchise that'll likely keep going. But, on that note, I'm not 100% certain how well received the XII DS sequel was, because that could actually point us in an accurate direction.

I personally don't think X is in the running, but I can agree that the fanbases of both IV and VI will keep that spirit alive, plus it's immensely likely we'll eventually see a remake of VI that'll probably bolster its awareness to younger generations and have the old school fans praising the Squenix pantheon.

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im on my 31st playthrough of FF VIII. i cant possibly get bored of that game.

We bleed FFVIII together, DCR!

I think this really depends, though.

I'd say FFVII has the largest fanbase. I would venture to say there are more FFVII lovers than there are for just about any other game in the series.

If we go down to how influential certain games were, then it's a different story. While FFVII will still be seen as influential due to the original and the set of remakes, FFI must be seen as influential, seeing as it spawned the series. Or how about FFII, with chocobos and Cid for the first time?

As for fans of FF in general, I think that FFVI and FFIV will definitely be at the top, but among several other games from the series too.

I think when we look at it overall, considering the entire population of videogamers, it would be more likely to see a game like FFVII or FFX or possibly even the upcoming FFXIII as the most popular after a period of time.

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Quote (ZidaneTribal @ 29th June 2009 04:40)

While the older generation are more keen to support and stick up for Final Fantasy IV or Final Fantasy VI.

Even though apart of the younger generation.. would really love to see Final Fantasy IV remembered...

That's a good point. FFIV is probably a lot easier than FFVI for a young player to get involved in. I'm guessing that's why it and III were singled out for a 3D remake. While I didn't like the 3D remake at all, I understand that a lot of other people did, including my younger brothers and their friends. They'll be growing up with FFIV as a favourite while possibly only trying FFVI later if they think it's worthwhile. FFVII is similar to FFIV, but I really doubt we're going to see a remake so it relies more on the compilation to bring in new fans. However I believe that this will eventually stop once the popularity finally dwindles. That's another crucial factor for choosing FFIV over VI or VII.

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While we're discussing my brothers, I forgot to mention that they've been playing FFIX more than anything for the past year. I think that's a very real contender for this topic as well. Imagine, in terms of how easily accessible a game is, FFIX is probably joined with FFIV, but the game is longer and the story deeper. Also the game is probably the most fluent and the story the most solid among FFs. It ties itself up perfectly and nothing feels left out or unnecessary. In a good few years I could see a remake of FFIX being worthwhile.

This post has been edited by sweetdude on 2nd July 2009 15:16

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Accessibility is one aspect, but I would have to question if IX is in the same category as IV, VI, and VII. Those games are really in the pantheon of gaming. Those three are the most mentioned in top 100 lists, and each have that legendary status, even if you have not played them.

That's why I believe that FFVI will be it. It is somewhere between cult status and legendary game. Meaning that there is a strong, yet concentrated group that still play it and would kill over it, yet it has become one of those games that you have to mention not only in the top 100 but the top 10. I know I keep on going back to that list but I think that is a major factor. IGN is a popular website, and its readers collectively chose that as one of the alltime great games. I just think it is a little further in gaming's stratosphere than IV or VII.

This post has been edited by BlitzSage on 2nd July 2009 16:56

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Accessibility is one aspect, but I would have to question if IX is in the same category as IV, VI, and VII. Those games are really in the pantheon of gaming. Those three are the most mentioned in top 100 lists, and each have that legendary status, even if you have not played them.

That's why I believe that FFVI will be it. It is somewhere between cult status and legendary game. Meaning that there is a strong, yet concentrated group that still play it and would kill over it, yet it has become one of those games that you have to mention not only in the top 100 but the top 10. I know I keep on going back to that list but I think that is a major factor. IGN is a popular website, and its readers collectively chose that as one of the alltime great games. I just think it is a little further in gaming's stratosphere than IV or VII.

The problem with old games is,consider ff10 fans and other people from the new gaming of era post 2000.

New games with better graphic engines keep coming out,and fans keep becoming more jaded and graphicly awed.

Even looking now at ff7's blocky graphics they would be saying yuck,imagine ff6 and ff4.

FF7 if any other game will be remembered more.

It has spawned more fans in the turn of the century than any other ff game.I'm sorry to say it but it has more sequels and spin offs than any other game.

FF6 has a few sequels and is a great game,perhaps it will mark history as well if any second game comes into place as even ff7 hardcore fans admit they like ff6 as well alot and some even say they like it more.

FF6 has a few remakes as well and maybe someday a prequel or a spinoff? who knows.

FF4:The new ds version's 3d makes the characters look like a bunch of kids and to me does not do justice to cloud or rosa.
Something about cecils mixed hair of purple and other colours wich makes him seem older for some reason.As a kid i used to think he was a middle aged man because he was so patient and mature.I used to think rosa being the same but i could tell edge was a kid because he acted like a young adult,as in:18-23.Rydia when you first got her,you can tell she was like 10-13 years old and later she was a bit older.

FF1:I admit,i like the remake as much or more than the original.Only thing i didn't like was that you leveled up too fast and it became too easy.
Oh,and the added dungeons were nice.

The problem with some games is that those who do not understand english or japanese will not appreciate older games as much as the newer ones wich now come translated in multi language for europeans.


This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 3rd July 2009 16:11

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It has spawned more fans in the turn of the century than any other ff game.I'm sorry to say it but it has more sequels and spin offs than any other game.

Oh I'm sorry to say that too. And many Final Fantasy fans are sorry about that as well. Everytime Square needs a little bit of money, they go back to 7's story and make another sequel, prequel or spinoff. FFVII has become Squenix's prostitute. Many people have turned on FFVII for that reason.

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It has spawned more fans in the turn of the century than any other ff game.I'm sorry to say it but it has  more sequels and spin offs than any other game.

Oh I'm sorry to say that too. And many Final Fantasy fans are sorry about that as well. Everytime Square needs a little bit of money, they go back to 7's story and make another sequel, prequel or spinoff. FFVII has become Squenix's prostitute. Many people have turned on FFVII for that reason.

true but the ff7 fans must be loving it no?

Then again i wouldn't want them destroying my favorite old rpg.



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New games with better graphic engines keep coming out,and fans keep becoming more jaded and graphicly awed.

Even looking now at ff7's blocky graphics they would be saying yuck,imagine ff6 and ff4.

I still think the backgrounds in FFVII and IX are the best looking landscapes and areas in any game to date. I remember stopping to look at some of the detail in FFIX because it was so beautifully put together. In that regard, I wonder if people will see through the blocky graphics and appreciate the nicer parts that still hold their own even in 2009.

Some people say the same thing about the sprites in FFIV and VI. I can't agree at all, I think the limitation on sprites means that we'll never see the same timeless style of artwork that the background of VII and IX have, but I suppose it allows for a less serious atmosphere that is extremely difficult to recreate in modern games. Nowadays if a game is to be funny the characters have to be dressed silly or make jokes. We'll never get a repeat of VI's hilariously over-exasperated expressions. I enjoyed them a lot. The 3D FFIV was like playing a completely different story in a completely different world. The feel just wasn't there. The FFIV sequel, as far as I understand, is using the same sprite format as the original. That bodes well for the future.

Overall then, VII and IX did some amazing things with their level backgrounds which I think is like looking at a tapestry, and are therefore timeless. Also, if we're looking for the silly animations of VI, we're unlikely to see them again as they are a lot harder to achieve with present-day graphic capabilities and presumably those of the future.

Although graphics have become a lot better, the old styles are still appreciated by a lot of people. I certainly hope that the benefits of the graphics in these games continue to be enjoyed.

This post has been edited by sweetdude on 3rd July 2009 20:50

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Then again i wouldn't want them destroying my favorite old rpg.

That's very true. VII is my favorite game of all time, even though it really shows it's age more than most in the Final Fantasy series, and I gotta tell ya, I'm not a fan of the compilation at all. I liked Crisis Core, but even it had a lot about the story and the world that I wish they would've handled differently.

There seems to be quite a large and growing number of people who hate on VII, be it whether they simply don't like it, or it's just the cool thing to do, so that probably puts it out of the running in the grand scheme of things. I imagine VI probably has the most vitality.

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Some people say the same thing about the sprites in FFIV and VI. I can't agree at all, I think the limitation on sprites means that we'll never see the same timeless style of artwork that the background of VII and IX have, but I suppose it allows for a less serious atmosphere that is extremely difficult to recreate in modern games. Nowadays if a game is to be funny the characters have to be dressed silly or make jokes. We'll never get a repeat of VI's hilariously over-exasperated expressions. I enjoyed them a lot. The 3D FFIV was like playing a completely different story in a completely different world. The feel just wasn't there. The FFIV sequel, as far as I understand, is using the same sprite format as the original. That bodes well for the future.

Overall then, VII and IX did some amazing things with their level backgrounds which I think is like looking at a tapestry, and are therefore timeless. Also, if we're looking for the silly animations of VI, we're unlikely to see them again as they are a lot harder to achieve with present-day graphic capabilities and presumably those of the future.

Although graphics have become a lot better, the old styles are still appreciated by a lot of people. I certainly hope that the benefits of the graphics in these games continue to be enjoyed.

I am not saying all people think that way,it is just that even now,there are people who look at graphics and think it is all that is important.

Look how many comments we have on ffXII? when ff7 becomes as old as ff6 will people be saying FFXV is the best? will people remember ff7?

that is my point will they look past the blocky graphics and see the deep story?

Look how many people are already making disgust of ffV and FFIV because its graphics are old,sure they play the version on ds with 3d graphics wich i think make cecil look like a kid,but would sephiroth be any better with beutifull graphics? probably not would he be remembered less if he had been in 8 bits?

May it never happen as it would be a tragedy for ff7 fans when it becomes as old as say ff4.


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Graphics are important, that's true. But FFIV and VI had the best graphics of their time. And it has nothing to do with technology. Super Mario World's graphics are beautiful, even if they aren't digital. Their graphics still have an impact; they create the game's "feel." The feel of the game is what is important.

I mean, when a question like this is asked, why do we all mention FF4, 6, 7 or some other? It's because those games are so great. Graphically, each are beautiful, in their own way.

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Graphics are important, that's true. But FFIV and VI had the best graphics of their time. And it has nothing to do with technology. Super Mario World's graphics are beautiful, even if they aren't digital. Their graphics still have an impact; they create the game's "feel." The feel of the game is what is important.

I mean, when a question like this is asked, why do we all mention FF4, 6, 7 or some other? It's because those games are so great. Graphically, each are beautiful, in their own way.

Graphics doesn't make a good game.It only makes it more beutifull to look at.

helps bring emotion to a game and graphics can help detail certain scenes and render them and bring out more beuty.

You can games devoid of any meaning and have beutifull graphics,just look at some blockbuster movies with massive cgi.

If i is used right then it is a tool to express something such as the music and colours in resident evil 1.

Resident evil 1 i found scary because it generated an aura not only with the soundtrack wich gave me chills but the whole room as well.the others didn't give me that feel that it did.Bring that emotional tie and aura of the game,use the graphics as a tool and not as the main plan fo the game.

I don't want a bunch of mediocre games rushed,i would rather have 1 game every 3 years replayed to death than 1 game every year and badly done that i play once.I think i need not say more as i do not wish to repeat myself.

This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 3rd July 2009 23:51

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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

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