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Kefka vs. Sephiroth
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Posted: 17th July 2004 08:55
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At one point I saw someone say that Kefka didn't plan anything. While I agree with most everything else you said, I must disagree with this.
Possible spoilers: highlight to view Kefka had planned to revive the statues all the way from when you go through the Magitek Factory. You just don't realize what he means by "And.. I'll revive the Statues!" (the first time you play through) until you're up on the floating contenent and he's killing the emperor. I think the reason he seems more uncalculating is the American script change; he just says really ridiculous things while in the Japaneese script he's actually cursing and saying somewhat goofy yet evil things which do make sense (I'm sure by now this is a restatement). Either way, this -  is enough for me. The grin, the skin tone, the right angel wing and the left demon wing... It's like facing Lucifer himself; the enemy of all creation, a being that wants to destroy everything mercilessly, even allies, until there is nothing left. His is a mind composed of pure hatred. He is one of the truly most evil characters, if not the most evil, in any artform, not just video games. There's something extremely primal about how he looks in that picture, something that really chills me. It's almost as if he was really that way all along, but only chose the image of a jester to decieve people into trusting him. He's like a man who became Satan. In FF6, his name was known everywhere as being synonymous with evil, destruction, and terror. In that world, he was what we would think of as Satan, and I don't think there could be any greater evil than that. ¥ This post has been edited by Wiggymaster on 17th July 2004 09:05 -------------------- The problem with the world is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? |
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Posted: 17th July 2004 19:36
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 this is a picture of lucifer, he looks very close to kefka doesn't he? -------------------- THE LIZARDSSS SHALL EATSSS YOU |
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Posted: 17th July 2004 22:12
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Yes very. And as was stated in a topic a while ago about a Kefka (Final form)art, he does have many resemblences to Lucifer prior to being kicked out of heaven.
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Posted: 18th July 2004 05:49
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too bad not everyone reads the bible to and is religous enough to notice the reference.
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Posted: 20th July 2004 02:15
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I've not seen that picture before, but there you go. The artist(s) that drew Kefka's final form knew who (what) they were drawing.
Â¥ -------------------- The problem with the world is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? |
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Posted: 20th July 2004 02:17
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I vote for Kefka because he is the best evil there is...
He is a great leader, completely insane, and pure evil |
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Posted: 20th July 2004 12:24
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Posted: 20th July 2004 13:13
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Lucifer was the Morning Star. The Right Hand of God. He surpassed all other Cherubim and Seraphim in God's eyes. Then pride entered his heart, and he thought to take over the throne of creation himself. He was cast out, along with a third of the Host. He is now known as The Deciever, Satan, Beelzebub.... whatever you want to call him from the many names he has. But Lucifer is still his God-given name, and so still applies. Therefore, Lucifer and Satan are the same entity.
One can draw all kinds of parallels between Kefka and Lucifer. Both sat on the right hand side of the man in charge... both betrayed him. Kefka won in the case of his betrayal, though. Sephiroth, while being powerful and cool looking, just can NOT match up to the evil that is Kefka. -------------------- Join the Army, see the world, meet interesting people - and kill them. ~Pacifist Badge, 1978 |
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Posted: 20th July 2004 16:40
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no its actually been discussed that satan is actually someone else, there is a passage in the bible that caused the whole confusion
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Posted: 20th July 2004 17:38
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Maybe this will spread a little light on the situation.http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=satan
Read the last entry, that is a differetn one that shows that satan is actually a common noun. It is a title to Lucifer because of his actions. -------------------- I fear my heart and fear my soul Life goes on, it surely will, Without me and I wonder: Will I ever see light again? Life goes on... |
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Posted: 20th July 2004 23:08
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Posted: 22nd July 2004 22:12
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First of all Kefka's not evil...
Possible spoilers: highlight to view he just poisoned the whole town! But Sephiroth burned a whole town and killed almost everyone living in it! Kefka's just a wacky old clown that has a sense of humor, but I voted for him anyway...At least he's a bit evil and a funny... Sephiroth's just boring he's just serious about stuff..he's not fun and he's a mother lover a mama's boy I say...  -------------------- Auron might be good, but I'm better...=p* My first visits....: *Returning from home-Returner *Trying to find a Cactuar Costume for Halloween-Cactuar *Treasure hunting for more shiny things, & candy-Treasure Hunter Current Location: *Crusading hell, I want to assasinate Satan but don't tell him what my plan is okay....?-Crusader |
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Posted: 22nd July 2004 22:15
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WTF?! Kefka, not evil? I don't know what version of FF6 you've been playing, but Kefka is insanely evil. And btw,Kefka also basically destroyed the world, who cares about towns?
This post has been edited by Sherick on 22nd July 2004 22:17 -------------------- I fear my heart and fear my soul Life goes on, it surely will, Without me and I wonder: Will I ever see light again? Life goes on... |
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Posted: 23rd July 2004 00:22
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I vote Kefka. (Typical) Because any normal human who watches the little children in Doma (Cayn's son included) slowly wither and die with a smile on his face is the scariest person on earth. After Doma, I was always a little freaked when I fought Kefka again. Yeah, before the posioning, I didn't take him real seriously, I just though he was some crazy side-show freak, and that you'd have to fight the Emperor.
 Then after Doma, it was like watching what a true pycopath is capable of and realizing that this guy actually had power. (yeah, I'm really easily creeped out by mad clowns, and mass murders by cheap attacks) -------------------- www.allinthepackage.com |
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Posted: 23rd July 2004 04:28
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Quote (Dragon Lancer @ 22nd July 2004 17:12) First of all Kefka's not evil... Possible spoilers: highlight to view he just poisoned the whole town! But Sephiroth burned a whole town and killed almost everyone living in it! Kefka's just a wacky old clown that has a sense of humor, but I voted for him anyway...At least he's a bit evil and a funny... Sephiroth's just boring he's just serious about stuff..he's not fun and he's a mother lover a mama's boy I say... Um...in addition to poisoning Doma, Kefka also Possible spoilers: highlight to view killed tons of Espers, burned Thamasa (and tried to burn Figaro Castle), offed General Leo and the Emperor, destroyed the world, drained the statues and gained control of them, in turn negatively influencing the world's essence and thus making it continue into decline, killed the adults of Mobliz as well as countless other people with the 'Light of Judgement', and generally got a boatload of kicks satisfying his brutal sadism. Kefka, not evil? Does...not...compute... This post has been edited by SilverFork on 23rd July 2004 08:42 -------------------- Words of Wisdom: If something can go wrong, it will. If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway. If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. - Murphy’s Law Boing! Zoom! - Mr. Saturn |
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Posted: 9th December 2006 11:16
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I thought back to this old topic because of the mama's boy video in another thread.
These are two of the greatest video game villains of all time. Sephiroth probably has a bigger fanbase but also gets a lot more criticism for being the stereotypical dark and brooding villain of video games and anime. Kefka is seen as a lot more unique, starting out as a lackey and then becomming the main villain, but he's unoriginal in his own way too (think the Joker). Both are crazy, no doubt about that. Sephiroth because of Jenova, Kefka because of a magitek experiment. They both kill a lot--Sephiroth burns down Nibelheim, Kefka poisons Doma. They're also responsible for two of the biggest tragedies in the series, the end of the world and the death of Aeris. They also both start off as part of a world dominating organization before emerging as the greater evil and have the final form of a fallen angel. I guess Kefka gets point for being the trendsetter there.  So it was definitely a close call for me. In fact I think I'm gonna come back and vote later. I just wanted to reinvigorate the debate a little bit before making up my mind.  |
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Posted: 9th December 2006 12:52
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Sephiroth was totally kick ass, but Kefka was just way more evil... Sure, Sephiroth summoned Meteor to destroy the entire planet, and he killed lots of people...
But, Kefka, he poisoned an entire town, destroyed the world once already, tried to rule the planet both times, and he shot a destructive energy ray at any town who refused his power! Now that's evil -------------------- We, who cannot see into tomorrow, have no way of knowing... But... But... If you don't find dreams yourself... if you don't capture your ambitions... happiness won't just come to you. |
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Posted: 9th December 2006 16:17
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It seemed to me that Kefka got much more accomplished as a villain. Seph was cool, but a little cliche. Besides, whose image is more likely to scare small children, a tall guy that has a bit of bishonen, or an evil clown
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Posted: 9th December 2006 17:32
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I voted for Kefka, hands down. That guy is pure evil. I don't dislike Sephiroth as a character, but as the main villain, if it weren't for his looks, he'd be quite forgettable.
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Posted: 10th December 2006 21:06
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Kefka versus Sephiroth, hmmmm, that's a tough choice. Both characters are memorable and the games in which they are on both can be consider a "greatest game ever". Both of them have a mighty thirst for power, one more twisted than the other, and that one is Kefka. Kefka didn't care at all about the world he was putting in danger, and Sephiroth did care about the planet, if there was no planet, then Sephiroth's plan to absorb the healing energy was going to fail. Then again, Sephiroth was not the real menace, that one was Jenova, and still is. It's a tough choice, so I'm gonna choose by categories.
Looks - Sephiroth Weapon - Sephiroth Story - Sephiroth Personality - Kefka Powers - Kefka Battle - Kefka Nostalgia - Sephiroth OVERALL - Kefka Simply because he was doing evil because he just wanted to. To me, Sephiroth was under Jenova's control and he was not doing things because he really wanted to. Kefka gets my vote, never the less, Sephiroth is still one hell of a bad guy. BUT, if it was for me, I have t say 'Id' from Xenogears is the greatest ever!!!, but he is not the topic. LONG LIVE THE KEFKA MAN!!! This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 10th December 2006 21:09 -------------------- PS3 tag: TipoDLuffy "...quite possibly the greatest game ever made" |
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Posted: 10th December 2006 21:40
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I'll be honest right here. Both bosses are tediously easy, and can be quickly put down in a matter of seconds. But if I had to choose the victor, I'd go for Sephiroth. Sephiroth uses more spells and inflicts more status effects than Kefka, aswell that he has much more HP than Kefka.
Sure, Sephiroth is ove , but I'd root for him when it comes into gameplay. Kefka's only strong attack is Wing (Or Chaos I think). Sephiroth could just use Super Nova and do a big load on Kefka. Edit Quote Whatever you say... I found him to be an annoying blabbermouth. And agreed that he is evil. He killed Kefka's just a wacky old clown that has a sense of humor, but I voted for him anyway... Possible spoilers: highlight to view .General Leo EDIT 2: Damn, I suck... I thought the VS was supposed to be between two final bosses. I like Kefka overall because you actually get to him and he isn't a showoff the way Sephiorth is. But I can't change my vote. *sad* This post has been edited by NeoEx-Death on 11th December 2006 22:42 |
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Posted: 10th December 2006 21:43
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I agree with MetroidMorphBall. They're both revolutionary and legendary villains, and it's going to be hard for me to pick one (disregarding 'overrated/underrated' garbage, Kefka is just as overrated as Sephiroth is in that case).
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Posted: 10th December 2006 21:51
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I voted Kefka. To me Kefka is a more interesting villian. Instead of being a typical dark and distant villian, he seemed to be more complex, just as FFVI was. Because of that, he perfectly fit the story and the game as well.He had a sense of humor, even if it was dark. That set him apart from every FF villian I can think of.
Also, he is the only FF villian that can boast that for half the game he had won. Many would argue that until he merged with the statues, he wasn't that powerful, and he definitely wasn't as strong as Sephiroth, but, to me, that adds to Kefka being a better villian, because he had to connive, plan, and be opportunistic to rise to power. No disrespect to Sephiroth, but Kefka is a landmark villian for a landmark game. -------------------- |
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Posted: 11th December 2006 15:55
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Based on success? Advantage: Kefka.
Based on people killed? Advantage: Kefka. Best weapon? Advantage: Sephiroth. Better character? Advantage: Kefka. Better overall villain? Advantage: Kefka. Kefka wins. -CSM -------------------- The NEW Final Fantasy Wiki! Join us! |
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Posted: 11th December 2006 22:25
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Of course both characters are super incredibely easy people, but think about the first time you fought against them, my first time against Kefka I sucked bad, he just abused me. And Sephiroth just kept on destroying me. Now the story is much different, we know what to do.
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Posted: 12th December 2006 05:10
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^If you count the Narshe version of Kefka, that was HARD. -CSM
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Posted: 12th December 2006 16:28
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THat was a tough one. However the hideous laugh from my childhood that too this day haunts my dreams wins over seph.
However It was sooo close cuz seph was a rediculous dude as well... particularly in Advent Children Possible spoilers: highlight to view [QUOTE]I will.....Never be a memory...[QUOTE] -------------------- This is my story... I will never be a memory |
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Posted: 13th December 2006 00:34
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I like the characters that make me laugh. Was Sephiroth funny? No, he was absolutely boring. I forgot that I was chasing Sephiroth throughout the game. Was Kefka funny? Do I have to ask? I've taken a screenshot of almost everything he's said because it had me laughing my head off. "You son of a submariner!" "Run, run or you'll be well done!" Kefka's a way cooler villain than Sephiroth.
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Posted: 13th December 2006 00:42
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Vwaa-hoo-hoo-hoo!!!
I had to vote Kefka. The magical, megalomaniac! No other villain comes close, I mean he was manipulating events before the game even got started good. Kefka is the real deal as far as villains go, I mean, c'mon, he DESTROYED THE WORLD -------------------- This is a webcomic and gaming blog where I rant about nonsense. Enjoy. I was a soldier, now I just play one in video games. |
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Posted: 13th December 2006 02:10
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Kefka wins for the sense of humor. It's warped, twisted, insane, sadistic, etc. but it is a sense of humor. Sephiroth can qualify for all of the above adjectives, but there's no humor. And if you can't laugh at life, what's the point?
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