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Okay,I would've just made one change.Make a cheat to make ramza and his party invincible.That way,no matter how much u get hit,u won't ever even get a scratch.That would be firckin awsuome

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Can't we get a better mission than this.I HATE CATS!!!!

Quote from Naruto

The translation was pretty bad

As pheonix said, "Tactics needs some manner of multiplayer functionality"

More classes (a true Blue Mage, etc. )

I'd personally like to see a FFT Online or something, like Ragnarok. It wouldn't have to be a story-driven online game (as in, it would have a single-player with online multiplayer). It could be on PSP OR DS, for all I care. I think even just an update of the original fixing the bugs and such would be nice.

And yeah, a Blue Mage would've been nice.

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"Dance, water, dance!"
-Demyx, Kingdom Hearts II

"I met my love before I was born..."
-AFI, 'Love Like Winter' from 'Decemberunderground'

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I have to go with KingDelita. But Razma can be a Dark Knight.

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Quote (Munk_The_Bard @ 16th June 2005 15:15)

I have to go with KingDelita. But Razma can be a Dark Knight.

no he can't I ahve heard this a few places, and trust me - in the 100+ times I have played through the game (it's probably close to that amount too) and I have tried to figure out what these people were talkign about

" in ch. 2 strip gafgarion of all of his equipment and put it on someone else, then reduce him to a priest, after you beat him you can become a dark knight "

it doesn't work.

Quote (Shinjutsei @ 25th May 2005 07:58)

How is Meliadoul better? Is that even a sane comment?

Holy Sword. Better than. Divine Sword. Too many. Periods.

*toasts*

well, if it were a holy knight that wasn't agrias i would say yes, but here is why meliadoul is better:

Agrias is incredibly slow, has a terrible move, and her holy knight class has a terrible physical AT crippling her holy sword. Meliadoul suffers from none of these problems and looks cooler to boot.

also- I realize that these problems are overcomable

give agrias move +1, change her to a knight, and she can move farther and her physical AT imprves greatly, but she's still slow.

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no seriously u can be a darkknight

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Quote (Munk_The_Bard @ 22nd June 2005 15:45)

no seriously u can be a darkknight

No. You can't. Keep this up and you'll be warned for trying to spread rumors.

There is no way to take on the Dark Knight skills in normal gameplay.

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"To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly

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He-Man wasn't in this game.

Neither was Voltron.

Both counts were pretty depressing.

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Now the story's played out like this. Just like a paperback novel. Let's rewrite an ending that fits.

Quote (KingDelita @ 22nd June 2005 01:06)

well, if it were a holy knight that wasn't agrias i would say yes, but here is why meliadoul is better:

Agrias is incredibly slow, has a terrible move, and her holy knight class has a terrible physical AT crippling her holy sword. Meliadoul suffers from none of these problems and looks cooler to boot.

also- I realize that these problems are overcomable

give agrias move +1, change her to a knight, and she can move farther and her physical AT imprves greatly, but she's still slow.

Yes, but you must see my point here. I said that Holy Sword is better than Divine Sword. Is this not true? Oh, sweet, I can break your stuff! Why not freakin blast the crap out of your target? Sides, if you're fighting monsters, you can't even use Divine Sword. Yes, Meliadoul is cooler, hotter, and has a badass daddy, but as a unit, I still say she's inferior.

But, you are entitled to your own opinion, my friend.



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"Dance, water, dance!"
-Demyx, Kingdom Hearts II

"I met my love before I was born..."
-AFI, 'Love Like Winter' from 'Decemberunderground'

Currently Playing: Guitar Hero, Shadow of the Colossus

here's my list;
why FFTA is better then FFT

the Bar proposition: you can't even use ANY of the treasures your guys brought back from their trips and take some of the "Battle" jobs yourself.
FFTA's has a bigger role here and that's nice.

Archer's charges and lancer's Jump only moves- one word, boring!
the archers and lancers (called dragoons) is full of interesting abilities, more then charge or jump.

New quests- what should I do after the defeat of

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Ajora?

how about a face off with some other enemies. like Delita, Zero, and some other greedy guys. and maybe Beowulf's own quest to fight Buremonda for turning his love into a monster.

increase the many units you can have.
FFTA lets you have more characters in your party then FFT does.

I thought FFT was almost a perfect game and only had a few flaws that almost go unnoticed.

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Quote (Shinjutsei @ 23rd June 2005 14:29)

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Yes, but you must see my point here. I said that Holy Sword is better than Divine Sword. Is this not true? Oh, sweet, I can break your stuff! Why not freakin blast the crap out of your target? Sides, if you're fighting monsters, you can't even use Divine Sword. Yes, Meliadoul is cooler, hotter, and has a badass daddy, but as a unit, I still say she's inferior.

But, you are entitled to your own opinion, my friend.

and you are entitled to yours also - and if I sound defensive I don't mean to.

basically what I'm saying is put them against each other stripped of everything but their base class mastered and optimum equips and meliadoul beats agrias easily. (mostly because that 'lame' destroying of the opponents equipment removes agrias' slow, weak holy sword from the picture.)

like I said- i don't mean to sound defensive, I'm just trying to prove a point.

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And unless we want this topic to close, too, it's back to what you didn't like about FFT and not "THIS CHARACTER WOULD BEAT THAT ONE IN A ONE ON ONE FIGHT"

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"To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly

Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN?

Right, sorry. In that case, one thing I didn't like about FFT was that Divine Sword sucked.

XD

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"Dance, water, dance!"
-Demyx, Kingdom Hearts II

"I met my love before I was born..."
-AFI, 'Love Like Winter' from 'Decemberunderground'

Currently Playing: Guitar Hero, Shadow of the Colossus

I beleve I forgot a few stuff that I didn't like to well.
The countdown to perment vacation to heaven/hell.
I did feel sorry for some of the death crops guys that I have to kill, it made me thinking " how many innocent people have I killed?" I know they wanted to go home but THIS! very said.
FFTA's judge system is ok at first, then gets annoying. (altho I like the part about them preventing "Death" to the units.) I had some really well trained Virias all aimed to kill and don't want them to die on me! so here's the compairing with FFT and FFTA's stuff

battle System-FFT (no laws to get you in trouble)
dead- FFTA (no deaths to remove my great warriors)
Ninjas- FFTA (can perform other abilites then throw)
Archers- FFTA (more abilites)
Lancers- FFTA (same as above)
learning new skills- FFT (learn new skills/spells)
Weapons- FFTA (lots of stuff to kill things)
jobs classes- FFTA (many abilities)
Bar proposition- FFTA (plays a big part in the game)
Missions- FFTA (so much to do)
Bosses- FFT (has cool attacks and abilites)
unit limit- FFTA (the more characters the better)
Magic system- FFTA (no charging needed to cast your spells)
equiping system- FFT (best fit for that character
final boss: FFT (great battle)

rating:
FFT: 5
FFTA: 10

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Quote (Mewmon @ 25th June 2005 17:17)

rating:
FFT: 5
FFTA: 10

I haven't played FFTA, but....

Them's fighting words.

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Quote (Mewmon @ 25th June 2005 17:17)

rating:
FFT: 5
FFTA: 10

I haven't played FFTA, but....

Them's fighting words.

ditto on that one, the only thing is: I've played ffta. it was too kiddie if you ask me.

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Quote (DragonWarrior @ 9th June 2005 01:47)

We know Teta saved Delita, but HOW? I couldn't even Life 2 the broad!

Actually, there are three theories on how this happened. One is the common theory, the other two are my theory. My theories go like this:

-When Fort Zeakden blew up, Teta's spirit arose and surrounded Delita with a magical wall that guarded him from the blasts.

-Working off the second theory: Teta was clinically dead for the entire battle of Fort Zeakden, then when the fort blew up, she woke out of her coma and used the last of her strength to guard Delita.

The common theory goes the same way as my second theory, except without the "clinically dead" part.

Anyway, back on topic.... I'm also going with the crowd and naming the translation as a problem. It's incredibly flawed, and made the simplest parts of the game confusing, including the Beoulve family lineage (who's who in the Beoulve family.)

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Quote (Kilakandra_DiMenia @ 27th June 2005 12:47)

Quote (DragonWarrior @ 9th June 2005 01:47)

We know Teta saved Delita, but HOW? I couldn't even Life 2 the broad!

Actually, there are three theories on how this happened. One is the common theory, the other two are my theory. My theories go like this:

-When Fort Zeakden blew up, Teta's spirit arose and surrounded Delita with a magical wall that guarded him from the blasts.

-Working off the second theory: Teta was clinically dead for the entire battle of Fort Zeakden, then when the fort blew up, she woke out of her coma and used the last of her strength to guard Delita.

The common theory goes the same way as my second theory, except without the "clinically dead" part.

Interesting. I always took it metaphorically -- that Teta "saved" Delita by waking him up to the fact that he was being used, his physical survival at Zeakden being more a matter of luck and/or divine intervention.

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My biggest two complaints center around the aspects that I feel bar the player from playing the game indefinitely.
One: I'm all for the insane strength of Cid, but just give players a stronger retinue of monsters so you can actually pit your best warrior against difficult oppenents. And yes, of course, I plumbed the depths of Deep Dungeon, picking up all rare treasures along the way;)
Two: The independent missions available through the pubs should have been given a bit of random-ness and thus could add an endless dimension to the esoteric world of Ivalice.

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Quote (red_beard_neo @ 28th June 2005 01:30)

Interesting. I always took it metaphorically -- that Teta "saved" Delita by waking him up to the fact that he was being used

This is definately what is meant by "she saved me".

I thought that at least was pretty obvious....

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Quote (red_beard_neo @ 28th June 2005 01:30)

Interesting.  I always took it metaphorically -- that Teta "saved" Delita by waking him up to the fact that he was being used

This is definately what is meant by "she saved me".

I thought that at least was pretty obvious....

I'm with you two on this one, i always thought that she saved him in a different way, not physically. but delita should have been seriously scarred from that bang.

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The ending just plain sucked.

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OMG - I can't believe I missed that part, yes it did. Horribly, it sucked really bad. Ramza got no nitification for anything, and lived the rest of his life in the woods? no it didn't cut it for me at all.

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The ending was very minimalist, but so was the ending to Vagrant Story, which employed a lot of the creative staff from FFT.
I did think it was kinda weird that Ramza and Alma go off together, but they can finally find peace, and no longer have to deal with the stress of being aristocrats.
Delita, the king manipulator, get manipulated himself when Ovelia plunges a knife into his treacherous heart.
No game worth loving is ever going to have an ending worthy of its devoted fan's expectations.

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http://www.cavesofnarshe.com/forums/ipb/in...wtopic=2662&hl=

Might be a better place to discuss the ending in depth. If you feel the need to do it here, at least mark your spoilers and make sure you know what you're talking about.

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"To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly

Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN?

My friend said he didn't like the characterization to a certain extent, saying characters like Mustadio and Agrias don't get much spotlight or backstory given besides the Brave Story synopsis. I kind of agree with him, but I also said the Brave Story helped me learn about them without them actually performing anything in-game, so I didn't mind as much.

What do you all think?

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I agree- I wish that characters like Mustadio and Agrias kept talking in-battle throughout the game. Delita got to talk a lot, Ramza gets to talk a lot, but Agrias just gets a few lines as a Guest and then in the Bariaus Valley fight. Mustadio barely gets any lines at all. Really, wouldn't you be interested in knowing what, say, Meliadoul thinks of fighting Hashmalum?

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I can't think of anything to say, really, except... I think it's nice... Ha ha ha!

yea, I also have to agree about your allies have a lack of lines and should give some to them. Like with the desert and give Mustadio some lines while fighting against bulk, Bulk and Mustadio are both Engineers and are both from Goug Machine City, Malak during the fight against Meliadoul and also tries to back up Ramza about Izlude's death. (he WAS there after all) Beowulf & Zalmo! (2ed round) and Vormav and the shrine knights. Beowulf was a shrine knight until he was declared Heretic. Agrias & Wiegraf (2ed round) both are holy knights and Delita (2ed with Zalmo) she would like to ask him how the princess is doing.
and maybe during the sidequest, Beowulf and Maliadoul (both are shrine knights)
and how about Maliadoul during the battles against Rofel, Kletian and

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Bulk

she would start questioning her former allies about what they are really up too.
and some kind of spotlight with ALL of your allies getting together somewhere talking with each other while you are talking with your new friends. and maybe even a command menu that says *talk* to talk to your allies and they my know something about the plot or what their thoughts are during the jurney. what do you guys think?

This post has been edited by Mewmon on 21st July 2005 14:59

some of those ideas would have happened, nothing with malak would have done me any good becuase i never used him ever. rafa i used, but only becuase she already has a very low brave for item finding, and that's all i ever used her for.

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