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In my opinion the real hero should be Zack because he saved the world before Cloud did and he saved Cloud too. If it were not him Cloud might have died. We don't want that to happen, right?

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- To Rinoa while she is unconscious.

I don't think one person is the "real hero".

Both Cloud and Zack saved the world, but Cloud also had help from Tifa, Barret, Aerith, ect...I haven't played CC so I don't know if Zack had help.

I think they all contributed significantly, and no one is the "real hero".

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Aeris.

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Simply because she died for the cause

The ultimate sacrifice.

cloud
zack didnt cause he needed

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clouds help with sephhy and clouds done it like 3 times ya im counting the nibelhiem incident aswell

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i say zack because without him,

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cloud wouldve died, therefore no one wouldve helped AVALANCHE, meaning he wouldnt have met aeris and helped her, and she wouldnt have gotten shikabobbed so she wouldnt know about sephy, and no one wouldve been able to stop sephy and the world wouldve been destroyed.

so yeah, zack is responsible for ff 7

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I know that this post might be stetching it a bit far back into CC period, but everyone is saying how Zack is the real hero, because without him, there'd be know Cloud, therefore no FF7. Backtracking further, Angeal has saved Zack on several occasions. Take for instance the first mission in the training room. That simulated Sephiroth would have sliced Zack right open if Angeal wasn't there. Don't think it wouldn't have done any damage, because lets not forget what happened to Genesis in the most epic fight scene/cut scene of all time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4

His arm almost got severed. Also, in little DMW cutscenes, a few with Angeal state that he saved Zack's butt.




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I voted for Zack. I never played the original FF7 so I dont know the story in it. My reason for Zack was mainly for him basically sacrificing himself to protect Cloud at the end

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It has to be Cloud. If we're going down the old "who started who" argument then the real hero would be Zack's mother and father in Gongaga. Or evolution. Or God.

Zack is a hero, but he doesn't run away with the series. Cloud has so many great moments showing bravery, skill, strength, positivity, leadership and all other kinds of hero attributes. He also shows cowardice, weakness, negativity, selfishness and other kinds of non-hero attributes, but I suppose that gives us some kind of frame of reference - he's only human after all. His good side prevails in the end anyway.

I would like to say Aeris, but again she is just one hero, a Cloud is a hero to heroes, if that makes sense.

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Since Zack was killed by saving his friend, he is a hero in this sense. But if you want to talk about who the general hero of the game was, I think its Cloud. Sepiroth kills mother, then kills his woman and then goes nuts because of all this, fights back his deamons, makes a comeback, and kills Sepharoth one on one. Enough said!

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If it were not him Cloud might have died.

*If we look at it that way, one could make the argument that Cloud's mom is the real hero. She gave birth to Cloud and without her, Cloud would never have existed.

*Mostly kidding


I think that Cloud is the real hero of the series. It's his story that we're concerned with. (I'll admit I'm one of those who consider the compilation a complication.)

I'm gonna say that Cloud is definitely the hero of FFVII. When you open the discussion to the entire series, however, it's a different story. There's a game for Vincent and a game for Zack.

But I'll still stick with saying Cloud is the hero of the FFVII universe, because the main threat in the series is still Sephiroth/Meteor, and Cloud undeniably led the charge against them.

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I would say sephiroth would make a better hero.He is simply more likeable than cloud is.

I cannot stand cloud at all.

Other than that,the real hero is cloud not zack.

Zack failed to beat sephiroth and lost in combat to seph.

He's a good swordsman but cloud is better imo

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I think 'the Hero' in the FF7 story is actually the spirit and burden of the people that Cloud has to carry on, ( Angeal; Genesis; Zack... ), in Cloud we can see the people who had to endured the crisis before the crisis, everything that Zack saw Cloud was the the one who ripped, whatever that means, thus making him 'the Hero'... for now, unless of course they make a sequel with Denzel as the main character, just kidding.

the Villain without a doubt is Sephiroth, he was born out from all the chaos and madness known as Jenova Project and he is THE crisis. The power of MOTHER, the ability to summon the power of the black materia, been able to sicken the planet and it's inhabitants from beyond the grave, and then manages to bring himself back to the world of the living by reuniting what little remained of Jenova's kneck with a remnant of himself.

This post has been edited by SaffireWeapon on 24th June 2009 17:36

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I would say that JENOVA was the real villain then... I haven't played any of the pre-FFVII games, but I thought that Sephiroth was supposed to be an ok guy before the whole JENOVA project ruined him.

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Aerith Aerith wanted to stop Sephiroth from summoning the Black Materia.
Because of her crush on Cloud. She was worried about Cloud breaking down.
She thought that she was going to make it out alive and was positive that she will see Cloud again. But feel like Aerith didn't do it for the world anymore.
Feel like she did it to be in Cloud's arms, and did it so Cloud can be proud of her achievement.

Zack Zack wanted to be a SOLDIER and he got his dream. Sadly Zack didn't get far because a very sad event leading into his life. Zack was more of a true friend than a true hero. He was a hero, but he didn't defeat Sephiroth or the Shrin-ra. Though Zack loved Angeal. Zack loved Aerith, and he loved Cloud and supported Cloud and put Cloud's wellbeing overhimself. Zack's a good friend.

Cloud Growing up he was the social reject that nobody liked. He had to watch a close friend die right in front of his eyes. Not to mention Cloud was the first one to defeat Sephiroth. Somebody who thought he was so weak grabbed Sephiroth's sword and turned him into the lifestream. Cloud also stopped Sephiroth from destroying the world from the Black Materia and damaged Shrin-ra's chances of destroying the world too.

Going to give the Hero award medal to Cloud Strife.

The Villian is Sephiroth. Sephiroth was using the powers of Jenova. Somebody who usually uses you for a puppet he was using as a puppet.
He was using Jenova to screw with Cloud's mind and create shadows of himself so he could lead Cloud into the Jenova Reunion.

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Well if you want to get down and dirty to hero's and sources then I say Tifa.

Since, she's the fire that lit Cloud into wanting to join Soldier, thus him being a Shinra grunt, defeating Sephiroth as such grunt when angered by her eluded death.

Then it is her that spurs him into becoming the ZaCloud, Hero!Cloud that he was, which ultimately lead him to Aerith, and then through that to Sephiroth, putting him on track to saving the world.

Then it is her that restores his heart and memories, and makes it so that in the final battle, Cloud is Cloud, and just as in Nibelheim, Cloud wins.

So Tifa makes the Hero.

The Hero is Cloud.
So I voted Cloud.

(Are people seriously arguing Aerith? *Laughs*)

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"It's Tifa's attitude that matters! Nothing else!"- Cloud.

"I knew one thing for certain, Cloud and Tifa would be together, everyone would be where they belonged."- Nojima

They reveal their mutual feelings for eachother in the lifestream, and come to live together in AC and beyond. - FFVII Ultimania Omega

i say Zack

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Thanks for your well-thought-out and explained opinion, you've truly brought discussion to a new level. -R51

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 28th July 2009 11:11

Cid, without him no one would ever sit down and drink their god damn tea.

This post has been edited by Messier17 on 30th July 2009 19:13

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If god is all-forgiving then why do we have to kill people in his name?

That's right, sit the S$*#&% down and finish your goddamn tea!!

Cloud's the real hero of the story though. All the other characters for all of their heroism are support cast, without them Cloud wouldn't have made it but it was Cloud who was the guy that had to make it.