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I dont know how Cloud can hold that buster sword with his scronny arms?

o'k' first of all a thread like this was made already (or a debate in another thread that was off topic)

second this isn't the FFVII forum this is "your creations"
"your creations" is about showing the forumers drawings, sketches, fanfiction etc. (something you made)



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1.) It's a game

2.) Cloud was infused with Mako Energy.



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If you're more concerned about a character being able to hold up a sword when they're drawn with scrawny arms than you are a dog with a flaming tail talking, it might be time to go outside and get some fresh air for a bit.

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Look, it never says the buster has to be as heavy as it looks, It could only be like 10 or 15 pounds, plus cloud's arms are not that "scrawny" Arms don't have to be big to be strong.

Here it looks like he could actually wield it


I think so anyway.

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Quote (No-Name @ 6th May 2006 21:58)

It could only be like 10 or 15 pounds

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweih%C3%A4nder

I would seriously doubt, to be usable, any sword would weight more than a dozen pounds. You have to keep this in mind: a sword made for battle is something you have to hold up and swing about MUCH longer than you would when showing off the l33t sword your parents ordered from eBay for your birthday to a friend.

It isn't the weight a sword so much as the leverage effect of the weight being distributed over its length. Cloud's sword looks to be about 4' in length, but HORRIBLY impractical because most of the weight would be in the blade, and very little in the hilt. Too unbalanced to be usable in any decent manner. That should be the problem you're picking at, and not how heavy it is.

But then again, considering how his hair stands up like that, we can safely infer that gravity has little impact on things in FF7.

Edit: Here's a kick-ass essay on weight and weapons. Scroll down to the pink box, particularly.

This post has been edited by Silverlance on 7th May 2006 03:29

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Quote (Silverlance @ 6th May 2006 19:25)

But then again, considering how his hair stands up like that, we can safely infer that gravity has little impact on things in FF7.

My sentiments exactly

I would subscribe to the Mako energy "suping" Cloud up.

Considering it's his weakest sword, I just pretend it's made out of aluminum.

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I agree with Zeromus it is a game..iv seen worse lol.
And he was infused with mako

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Jenova cells and since hes a clone Hojo coulda made him uber.But he did say he was a failed experiment...

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Barret has a GUN on his ARM.
Vincent can transform himself.
Dio hasn't been arrested yet.

And that's why Cloud can hold the Buster Sword.


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buster 1
buster 2


so it's between 4.5lbs and 13lbs so it's just very light and just a little awkward til you get used to it which he seems to be considering he can spin it above his head without cutting off any of his spikes or slipping and cutting off his own head

This post has been edited by mcclanahan on 7th May 2006 19:01

What?! You can't decide the Buster Sword size on what those people have! If I made a papier mache Weapon that is 3ft tall would you say that's how tall it is?

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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

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swords online got exclusive rights to make them from sqenix along with the exact height and width that the sword was to be made at so it's actually square's saying that made them there size therefor they are the aproxamate weight

Ok but it still doesn't mean that it is the equvilant. Swords Online wouldn't make something that nobody could carry or store in their house. Sorry I'm not trying to pick a fight I just don't like merchandise.

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Quote (mcclanahan @ 7th May 2006 14:13)

swords online got exclusive rights to make them from sqenix along with the exact height and width that the sword was to be made at so it's actually square's saying that made them there size therefor they are the aproxamate weight

Sorry mate.

1- That's definately not the same size. Takes only a quick glance to tell that the real deal's longer and broader.

2- Even if it were, the blade is aluminium. There's a very obvious blue glare in the pic No-Name posted, meaning the real thing's most likely a steel allow. Quite a difference in weight!

3- Even if it were the same size and materials, that doesn't mean it's been made the same way. There's a reason why some decorative swords weight over 20 pounds. Because they're decorative and haven't been built to be light enough to use.

Edit
4- And... the second one is quite different from the first. I REALLY doubt SO were using official sizes, materials, and densities.

This post has been edited by Silverlance on 7th May 2006 20:19

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and the likelyhood of him sharing."

A combination of bad plot devices and pesky wizards.

My cheap explaination? It's a more complex sword than it looks. What Cloud's somehow got a hold of is a modern blade built to be lighter. Only the cutting blade is made of metal, and most of it's bulk is merely a very dense plastic like kevlar. However, it's still a bit of a heavy bugger, but luckily, it's clear mako enhanced troopers are a bit like Space Marines and have increased strength.

My true explaination? Whoever decided on a huge comedy oversized sword is a bloody retard, and whoever equipped SOLDIER, Galbaldia, and most of SeeD is also a retard.

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I can't believe we're having this debate! There are starving kids in Africa. 150 children die every day in Darfur. Yet we're arguing about how Cloud can hold the Buster Sword? I reckon it's just part of the game like how Moogles can fly (and exist) and as I've said earlier - why Dio hasn't been arrested for exposing himself to children in the Gold Saucer.



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Scepticism, that dry rot of the intellect, had not left one entire idea in his mind.

Me on the Starcraft.

First off, huge mistake.

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Cloud was never directly infused with Mako, because he never made it into the SOLDIER program. He was given small amounts of Mako when he was infused with the Jenova cells by Hojo after the Mt. Nibel Reactor incident.

Considering in this world, there's a mystical life steam, little glowing orbs that let you summon dragons and ancient gods to totally ruin the landscape (only for it to magically reappear, totally unscratched), where Sephiroth can basically collapse the Universe in on itself multiple times and yet only little numbers appear to be the long-lasting damage, it's safe to say Cloud can carry a sword the size of a building.

Just like Sephiroth can use the Masamune, a blade easily twice as long as an average person. Ridiculous? Sure. But hey, it's a video game, reality and it's rules don't apply here.
Otherwise, I'd be casting Cure on myself every time I got hurt, rather than visiting a hospital and casting Fire 3 or Ultima on people who annoyed me, rather than feeding them my fists.

Don't worry so much about the specifics, just enjoy the fact that his having a really big sword probably means he has a really small....well, you get the point.

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Okay, but there was a goat!

Cloud is the games hero and it is a game. In games anything can happen, for instance you can carry the game on after you have died. You can go on for more than 48 hours without food. So Cloud can hold the buster sword.

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If any of you have seen Last Order ,

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you'll recall that everyone but Zach had enormous difficulty in picking up the sword. I think the point of the sword is that it requires immense strength to wield.

You know, we all rag on Cloud for it, but we never hit Ryu Hayabusa in Ninja Gaiden. In the latest installment he carries around a sword immensely similar to Clouds.

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Nice Dragon fire. Well that's giving insight into Zack's personal uh...personals. I don't know why Cloud would want to imitate that unless he had a bad run in with some Scissors monsters.

But yes, quite a lame question to ask. It's a game and can do what it wants. The Masamune is nearly 7 feet long. Just because its skinny doesn't mean crap. I have a 42 inch katana and that thing is heavy as heck. I also give the kudos to Sephiroth for that. And if you're going to ask a question like this, why not ask why the force from Barret's gun arm hasn't blown his arm away.

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Hey maybe since Zack was Cloud's friend maybe he was showing cloud how to use it.

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I think my favourite reasoning for anything that happens in FFVII was given by the Advent Children director, I forget his name, himself in the behind the scenes commentary.

paraphrased: "With Final Fantasy VII, we essentially took an 'anything goes' approach."

And there we have it. It also carried over into the movie, for any who've seen it, you can vouch for it.

In terms of specifics of the world itself, I choose Mako infusion.

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Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 8th May 2006 22:00)

First off, huge mistake.

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Cloud was never directly infused with Mako, because he never made it into the SOLDIER program. He was given small amounts of Mako when he was infused with the Jenova cells by Hojo after the Mt. Nibel Reactor incident.

Quote (MogMaster @ 13th May 2006 16:31)

If any of you have seen Last Order ,

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you'll recall that everyone but Zach had enormous difficulty in picking up the sword. I think the point of the sword is that it requires immense strength to wield.

First of all, what the heck is Last Order? Are there just so many FFVII spin-offs at this point that I can't keep track of them all?

Anyway...in response to what Dragon_Fire said:

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That is very true. But also, if you remember, Cloud never actually wielded the Buster Sword until after he escaped from Hojo's lair. So after Cloud was infused w/ Mako, that's when he was able to pick up the sword for the first time, so it stands that Cloud's Mako/JENOVA cells, or whatever Hojo put in him during that experiment, strengthend him enough that he could use the sword. That would explain why Zack could use it, and why Cloud could use it after Zack died.

Within the context of the FFVII world, I'd say that's the best explanation. Otherwise, yes, irl it is a very impractical weapon. But c'mon, it's Final Fantasy. You can't expect everything to conform nicely to realism. If it did the game wouldn't be much fun, and certainly not much of a fantasy.

I think it's quite a bit simpler than all of this:

It's a videogame, Cloud is a videogame character. The sword looks bad ass. That's why he has one. I doubt all the programmers at Square had a roundtable like this one discussing the physics and practical use in real life battles regarding the buster sword. Some of these forum topics make me laugh, so in that I should thank somebody. The in-depth explanations that everyone is trying to come up with is great though, but I doubt that Zach taught Cloud how to wield it so that's why they're the only ones who can.

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Quote (TItoJackson @ 16th May 2006 00:59)

I think it's quite a bit simpler than all of this:

It's a videogame, Cloud is a videogame character. The sword looks bad ass. That's why he has one. I doubt all the programmers at Square had a roundtable like this one discussing the physics and practical use in real life battles regarding the buster sword. Some of these forum topics make me laugh, so in that I should thank somebody. The in-depth explanations that everyone is trying to come up with is great though, but I doubt that Zach taught Cloud how to wield it so that's why they're the only ones who can.

Aw nuts i wanted to say something like that.

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Quote (MogMaster @ 13th May 2006 16:31)

If any of you have seen Last Order ,

Possible spoilers: highlight to view

you'll recall that everyone but Zach had enormous difficulty in picking up the sword. I think the point of the sword is that it requires immense strength to wield.

First of all, what the heck is Last Order? Are there just so many FFVII spin-offs at this point that I can't keep track of them all?

Final Fantasy VII Last Order is an official anime.

http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,3525,fn...order_fina.html

Quote (sweetdude @ 8th May 2006 11:12)

I can't believe we're having this debate! There are starving kids in Africa. 150 children die every day in Darfur. Yet we're arguing about how Cloud can hold the Buster Sword? I reckon it's just part of the game like how Moogles can fly (and exist) and as I've said earlier - why Dio hasn't been arrested for exposing himself to children in the Gold Saucer.

I dont recall much police existing outside of Midgar to arrest Dio.

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