Your Thoughts on the Mini NES?

Posted: 27th July 2016 15:42

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So if you haven't heard (yeah right), Nintendo is releasing a miniature sized version of the classic Nintendo Entertainment System, which comes with 30 games built in. You can view the details and full list Right Here.

Things that make this appealing for me:
HDMI Cable Plugin: Should mean the elimination of the small delay caused by modern TVs. I know this is fixable with some workarounds, but my TV doesn't seem to save the settings particularly well and it's annoying to do this constantly with my old system. A minor nitpick but it is a factor when deciding when to break out my old systems and set them up again.
Compact Space/Convenient: Speaks for itself, no boot-up issues, switching cartridges, all that.
The Price: Lets be honest, this is a great price point. This equates to $2 a game, when they are normally $5+ on the Virtual Console. Since it also includes the device and controller, this really isn't overly expensive.

Things that bug me:
Still No Account Purchasing: What I mean by this is...well, I've purchased the Legend of Zelda on the Nintendo, the Wii, the 3DS, and if I get this, for a fourth time on Mini NES. Nintendo still refuses to allow you to have an account for a one-time purchase of a game which will transfer to their other systems. I have heard all talking points on this and still don't agree with the direction, but it is what it is.
Lack of Innovation: Okay, so Nintendo is known for going in different directions than other consoles. Some were wild successes (Wii), others are or will likely be flops (Wii U). But you have to agree that they are always trying something different, and the Nintendo NX will likely be marketed as another innovative / gimmicky product. But this? This is the opposite of innovation. It worries me that this is one of their main focuses for the fall of this year. With the lack of releases in the upcoming year and their business moves hurting their current console generation, is this a signal that they are making less games overall and focusing on milking nostalgia for all it's worth?

It's interesting they were able to secure the rights for some of these games, like Final Fantasy 1 for example. The list is pretty solid overall, but I'm sure like all of you there are some I'd rather have in (no Crystalis or Battletoads!?) and others I'd remove (no one has time for you, Ghosts 'n Goblins), and it is a shame that the initial list is all it would get.

In the end, will I get it? I don't think I will purchase it, but I likely will ask for it for Christmas, building my library of "devices I own that have Super Mario Bros. 3", etc. But I will admit, if they come out with a Mini SNES and a solid library, that will get purchased day one.

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Posted: 27th July 2016 18:03

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I want one, and I would never use it. If I want to play those games, I have ways to do it already that I find more convenient. But it's so cute, and I've paid more, much more, for things that serve no purpose but to sit on a shelf and look cool, so I could see myself getting one of these at some point. I could have my original 1987 ROB hold it aloft or something.

Is it just that I briefly got confused, or do the controller hookups look like the same ones that connect a nunchuck to a Wii Remote? Am I crazy there?

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Posted: 28th July 2016 00:57

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Quote (TheEvilEye @ 27th July 2016 10:42)
focusing on milking nostalgia for all it's worth?



This pretty much sums it up. I'm not innocent. It seems like Post-2010 culture has full-blown embraced nostalgia. The look, sound and feel of the 80s is terribly romanticized.

I have no problem with it, per se, but it makes you realize what these companies are spending their money on (not new ideas), and how videogaming has become an industry that will soon (or already does?) rival Hollywood.

This is the automation of all industry. Be it the entertainment, manufacturing, Corporate America or food-service industry, everything has become an assembly line to easier fill job vacancies. The skilled worker is no more, no longer does "The squeaky wheel get the grease", instead, that wheel is easier to replace with a new wheel.

The videogame industry is no different. It has become an assembly line. From the lowest, actual assembly line workers in the factory this shit is made (and there it is, my actual opinion of this product: It's shite) to the lowest, intern-level programmers all the way up to designers, coders, testers, etc...

I have noticed an extreme "dummy-ing down" of videogames over my lifetime. And I was pretty much born with an NES controller in my hand. Dialogue is simpler, stories almost non-existent and controls have become streamlined to the point where you can pretty much pick any game up and it controls the same way, at least, you can figure it out without a tutorial, even though literally every single game has one.

Sure, you get the occasional Last of Us (the best game probably of the past 15 years, IMO and right up there with the best of them, all-time) but mostly you get Call of Duty and re-releases of old games you've already bought and will buy again, with no universal account as the OP has mentioned.

But this product? I have no idea what the point is. Locally, I have a store called Oogie Games and they specialize in old gaming. Tons of old NES games and accessories, as well as new, third party NES consoles (as the copyright expired and anyone can make and sell them now). Regardless, you can just find all of this stuff online and while I understand, the actual, original copies of some of the pre-loaded games are hundreds upon hundreds of dollars, I can also just go download most of them, either illegally or legally at this point, really.

Hardcore collectors (notice: I didn't say gamers) won't buy this. It's marketed solely at millennial idiots, clueless parents and 'casual' gamers.

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Posted: 28th July 2016 03:08

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30 games with HDMI support for $60 isn't a bad value to me, but... I don't think I'm getting one. I'd probably beat Mario 3 and Mega Man 2 once each, lose a bunch of times in Punch-Out! and Ninja Gaiden, then never play it again. That isn't a $60 value.

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Posted: 28th July 2016 04:05

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These will make a great gift for the kids of parents who have Nintendos that they play with their kids. If, and that's quite the if, the emulation quality is at least on par with the VC, then that will be acceptable. If not...well, I don't think anyone would appreciate that.

$60 better not mean they cheaped out on the emulation, is all. I'll wait and see. It is designed well, it seems like, and the NES controller that comes with it works on VC for the Wii as well.

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Posted: 29th July 2016 19:46

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I'm a sucker for nostalgia, so I will eventually get one. Like Josh, it'll probably sit prominently on my TV stand next to my PS2 and Gamecube as consoles that see little action. Video game time has plummeted drastically recently, but NES games have that added bonus of little commitment due to the lack of space back then. I think this will be a short term win for Nintendo during the holiday season, and it's also breeding competition. Sega is already releasing a similar Genesis device with the added bonus of it being portable. Wake me up when Nintendo retorts with the mini-SNES.
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Posted: 1st August 2016 15:46

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My objection is that I won't be able to add other NES games to it.

Well, that, and I also still have my NES.

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Nope, the NES never had a large library of games I liked playing. That and Console classix has been filling what little NES fixes I've had over the years.

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 1st August 2016 11:46)
My objection is that I won't be able to add other NES games to it.

That's the reason I'm not getting it. That bugs me so much. It's like Nintendo comes so close to having good ideas, and then makes mistakes. Why wouldn't you find some way to allow SD cards, or connect it to the VC? How great would it be if they made mini NES's and mini SNES's and allowed you to transfer Virtual Console games to them? That would've been so great.

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Posted: 12th September 2016 12:25

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Why wouldn't you find some way to allow SD cards, or connect it to the VC? How great would it be if they made mini NES's and mini SNES's and allowed you to transfer Virtual Console games to them? That would've been so great.

That would be cool, I agree, but they kind of already have systems that do that, you know? Not at the same price point, I understand, but part of the reason they're hitting this price point is that they're stripping out all of the functionality that would be able to handle making it a VC box. I mean, let's be honest here, this is pretty much a Raspberry Pi in a NES shell. Note: I doubt it's actually a Raspberry Pi, but it won't be miles different! smile.gif

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Posted: 30th September 2016 15:47

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It's interesting, apparently we got our version of this announced before Japan:

http://kotaku.com/japan-gets-its-own-mini-...icom-1787257275

It would be kind of neat to have that one too, and I assume if you could import one it would work just fine over here; I never liked the look of the Famicom all that much, though, so I'd rather have our version if I were to get one.

Now, if you do a mini-Super Famicom... that would be okay. Or at least give us one here with the right color buttons on the controller!



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Posted: 3rd October 2016 01:09

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Comparison between NES Classic and Wii U VC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocGdWRF84Q0&feature=youtu.be

The colors are definitely better than the VC. I never understood why the NES VC used such a dark palette with grey whites, it's not even accurate to what a real NES displayed on analog TVs. The NES Classic has an option to use a CRT filter, which looks like it's just Blargg's NTSC filter with some scanlines, which is not really a detailed recreation of a CRT but I guess it's better than nothing.

The sound on the NES Classic is much clearer and louder than the Wii U VC. However there are reports that the audio of the NES Classic is not 100% accurate.

Definitely looks much better overall than the Wii U VC, but it will be a hard sell for people who still use the original hardware or for people who use emulators extensively. It's probably worth getting if you don't fall into either of those camps and the included games appeal to you, but the inability to add any other games might make you reconsider.

I'm personally not interested in this at all, since I still have a working NES and CRT TV, as well as emulators that have more options.
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Posted: 11th November 2016 15:24

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My younger brother in law works at a big box retailer, and he texted me a few minutes ago to tell me that there were over a hundred people in line waiting for his store to open today to get one. His store got a shipment of 20. Oops!

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I heard that supply is way below demand nationwide. Unexpected rise in interest, or tactical marketing to increase demand? Time will tell.
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Posted: 14th November 2016 20:08

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It's on my Christmas list, hoping it's back in stock in time for a friend or relative to buy for me! This seems like manufactured demand at first glance. The supply looks VERY low, in fact suspiciously low right now...
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Posted: 14th November 2016 21:04

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Yeah, if the stock comes back, I think my aforementioned brother in law is considering getting one for my daughter. She's only ever played games on smartphones and my Wii U (though sometimes I let her fight Final Fantasy battles on the Eggbox and my NDS). I'm not sure if she'll be at all excited about a console that plays 8-bit games and has a wired controller.

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Posted: 18th November 2016 07:51

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If she's never seen 8-bit games before, she might see the whole thing as a curious novelty.

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My only problem with the mini-NES is the restricted library. Half the fun of going back to the NES at this point would be to try out obscure and bizarre games. I remember Donkey Kong, and I don't think I'd like it any more now than I did as a kid, but being able to play, say, Monster Party would have me absolutely hooked.

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Posted: 2nd December 2016 16:09

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I think this is an interesting product that I would probably buy if it was actually available in stores as new stock of old games is something I would like to patronize, but it's far from flawless:

First, let's not fool ourselves into thinking this is really a miniature N.E.S. If it was, I could understand the current situation. As things are however, it uses entirely different hardware. Nintendo actually made a miniaturized N.E.S. up until 1993 under the model number NES-101, which is often called the "top loader", and those clone systems like the Hyperkin Retron more closely resemble the actual hardware than this (presently) overglorified emulator. I would have personally preferred it if Nintendo could've used their familiarity with the system to improve the design of the ubiquitous Nintendo on a Chip that's even used in most of the Atari Flashback plug 'n play systems. Actually, I would've preferred an authorized multi-cart myself but I suppose that might be asking for too much.

Second, regarding the game lineup, I have two main concerns: Most of these games are not in dire need of additional hardcopies, due to numerous rereleases. Megaman II is the biggest offender on this front, because you can buy new copies of the Megaman Legacy Collection for a practically identical copy of the game, although Kirby's Adventure isn't too far behind it because we also saw it on Kirby's Dream Collection for the Wii. The other is that many of these are just N.E.S. ports of arcade games. That list includes Bubble Bobble, Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., Double Dragon II The Revenge, Galega, Ghosts 'n Goblins, Gradius, Pacman and Temco Bowl. Some of those games are good choices regardless but if you really want to represent the N.E.S. specifically, I would make a few substitutions:

Ghosts 'n Goblins, despite being a good game, can be axed in favor of Castlevania 3, which clone consoles are notorious for being unable to play. You already have I and II, so why not round out the collection with what might be the best entry on the console? River City Ransom is probably better than Double Dragon II here, esp. since the Famicom edition of this device has it, and we didn't even get the original Double Dragon anyway. Pacman is much too widely available, even on plug 'n play systems like this: If you want to have a maze game, why not have The Adventure of Lolo on it instead? I would also like to replace Galega for the same reason as Pacman, but I'm not sure what vertical shoot 'em up better represents the N.E.S. Research suggests that Crisis Force would be excellent if it was released in the west, but Nintendo would is obviously not considering giving us a game that was only released on the Famicom.

Third, I'm disappointed at the lack of hardware features. Wiimote compatibility would have solved the cord problem, and a Composite Video Broadcast Signal (C.B.V.S.) output would have enabled us to use it with real C.R.Ts. like a real N.E.S. The Raspberry Pi 3 suggests Nintendo could have done at least this much for us, as that board has those features at $35, and the Retrobit Generations all but affirms that C.B.V.S was definitely an option for a product such as this.

Fourth, the japanese counterpart has Final Fantasy III for the N.E.S. on it. I want an English translation of that game so much, and the Nintendo D.S. version doesn't count.


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But this product? I have no idea what the point is. Locally, I have a store called Oogie Games and they specialize in old gaming. Tons of old NES games and accessories, as well as new, third party NES consoles (as the copyright expired and anyone can make and sell them now). Regardless, you can just find all of this stuff online and while I understand, the actual, original copies of some of the pre-loaded games are hundreds upon hundreds of dollars, I can also just go download most of them, either illegally or legally at this point, really.


This is actually a quite clever product when it is sold at the advertised price. If there are people who respect and honor the copyright of these games like I do, this is the cheapest you could hope to purchase this collection of games games. As you have acknowledged, it can save money but just consider how much money can be saved: On Virtual Console, they'd cost $150 altogether and the complete collection is about $426 in cartridge form. It's tempting for me to buy one of these and resell the actual games in my collection if it performs well enough.

Also, you're not just buying the software, but the hardware to play it which has additional value. Sure, it might not be the best hardware in the world, but it has value in that it can operate independently. That makes it easy to put into another room to keep yourself entertained while the main television, and possibly even the console, is in use by somebody else, and being able to power it from the U.S.B. jack means you can maybe hook it up in your car like the miniaturized playstation, at least if you can find a screen for it anyway. A Nintendo Wii without any games on it at all would cost $40-60 preowned, and even if you wanted to go the piracy route, you'd be spending at least $30 to buy a Raspberry Pi Zero with all of the necessary accessories from Adafruit before shipping costs and another $8 for a knockoff N.E.S. controller with a U.S.B. plug if you order from Amazon. Perhaps the Pi Zero would be more functional, if somebody didn't figure out how to hack into the U.S.B. port and install Ubuntu, although I'm actually hoping relatively few people resort to that since the value of this device is in the stock software, and the Raspberry Pi 3 makes much more sense for that purpose anyway.

The aftermarket extortion makes little to no sense though. At the $226 ebay guaranteed pricepoint, you could buy all of the games off of virtual console, plus a Wii and a Wiimote. At the $400 pricepoint from earlier on, you could do the same, except with the Wii U. Although these aren't as portable, or quite as good at emulating these specific games, they're much more functional and expandable overall.

The most insulting part of it is that the re-sellers obviously have no interest in owning the product they're selling other than charging you this ridiculous markup. It is not even as if they are offering people the opportunity to own a product they were unable to buy at the time of its creation, which is my usual justification for the value of game resales. I have no respect whatsoever for these people who are allegedly buying out a store's whole stock for this purpose.


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Still No Account Purchasing: What I mean by this is...well, I've purchased the Legend of Zelda on the Nintendo, the Wii, the 3DS, and if I get this, for a fourth time on Mini NES. Nintendo still refuses to allow you to have an account for a one-time purchase of a game which will transfer to their other systems. I have heard all talking points on this and still don't agree with the direction, but it is what it is.


I'm actually quite glad for that in this particular case because it gives you more ownership over the device and the games that reside on it. Given that this device is so small, just keeping it around forever isn't really that big of a deal.

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HDMI Cable Plugin: Should mean the elimination of the small delay caused by modern TVs. I know this is fixable with some workarounds, but my TV doesn't seem to save the settings particularly well and it's annoying to do this constantly with my old system. A minor nitpick but it is a factor when deciding when to break out my old systems and set them up again.


If I am not mistaken, it does not work quite like that. No matter what resolution the N.E.S. Classic Edition outputs, its games are standard definition, so their picture has to be processed to make a usable picture at some point in time, which is what causes the delay. The duration of the delay depends upon how quickly and efficiently devices within the chain to perform the task. The Playstation 3 consoles have a mandatory 3 frame buffer for backwards compatible games, which causes what is nearly a 50 millisecond delay, even if the console is not deinterlacing or upscaling the picture, which is awful.

Thankfully, a rudimentary check suggests that the N.E.S. Classic Edition somehow performs better in this regard than the Virtual Console, but whether it'll be better or worse than an actual N.E.S. in this regard is perhaps more circumstantial.


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I'm not sure if she'll be at all excited about a console that plays 8-bit games and has a wired controller.


I'd suggest buying a wireless controller if you ever get your hands on the N.E.S. Classic Edition. The Nyko Miniboss and 8Bitdo Retro Reciever are both interesting options for the N.E.S. Classic Edition, esp. since Nintendo only gave us one controller per system anyway, meaning that you would need another controller to be able to play two player modes.

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I heard that supply is way below demand nationwide. Unexpected rise in interest, or tactical marketing to increase demand? Time will tell.


It has been sold out ever since its release. It's probably a mixture of both. It doesn't seem like that long ago when these games were in relatively low demand, so it's not hard to imagine the Nintendo execs. doing something special that they though only a few people would take interest in, yet at the same time, this is not the first time they have run short on stock for a product.

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HDMI Cable Plugin: Should mean the elimination of the small delay caused by modern TVs. I know this is fixable with some workarounds, but my TV doesn't seem to save the settings particularly well and it's annoying to do this constantly with my old system. A minor nitpick but it is a factor when deciding when to break out my old systems and set them up again.


If I am not mistaken, it does not work quite like that. No matter what resolution the N.E.S. Classic Edition outputs, its games are standard definition, so their picture has to be processed to make a usable picture at some point in time, which is what causes the delay. The duration of the delay depends upon how quickly and efficiently devices within the chain to perform the task. The Playstation 3 consoles have a mandatory 3 frame buffer for backwards compatible games, which causes what is nearly a 50 millisecond delay, even if the console is not deinterlacing or upscaling the picture, which is awful

Thankfully, a rudimentary check suggests that the N.E.S. Classic Edition somehow performs better in this regard than the Virtual Console, but whether it'll be better or worse than an actual N.E.S. in this regard is perhaps more circumstantial.

This is interesting! Thanks for the clarification. Input lag has been a big deal to me, so I'm hoping it is minimal.

I think we can all pick apart their game choices easily, but at the same time I also think their strategy was to encompass as many older gamers as possible, maybe just enough to have a few titles to ring the nostalgia bells of the NES heyday for everyone. Those of us in this board would certainly appreciate rare treasures that never made it over here (like as you mentioned FFIII), but any close examination of this product and what it provides would immediately reveal Nintendo is favoring a cash-in over any bold attempts to satisfy any one niche.

All that said, I still want it, and hope I get it for Christmas. I'll play some games on it, but the real value for me is its aesthetic value wherever I decide to put it (ideally in a game room if I ever get around to making one!)
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Been seeing this everywhere for the last 24 hours: http://bit.ly/2oyhmaK

The only thing dumber than seeing this news is seeing all the reactions from the super cool guys reminding people that they shouldn't care because emulation exists. Thanks for the news flash, super cool guys.

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Gracious me, the systems are gonna go up to 4000 dollar prices Nintendo, what is your problem?

I think Nintendo just trolled us.

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Gracious me, the systems are gonna go up to 4000 dollar prices Nintendo, what is your problem?

I think Nintendo just trolled us.

Nintendo has been trolling us for like 30 years, bruh tongue.gif

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Nintendo has been trolling us for like 30 years, bruh tongue.gif

I never felt too trolled by the NES, the SNES, or even the N64, but I guess to each his own.

Anyway, NoJ is saying that the discontinuation for the Famicom Mini is only temporary, so it's possible that maybe NoA didn't get the whole picture or the whole organization is a little incompetent - or maybe they really don't think the NES version is really worth it. Any of those options seems pretty believable.

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...I recently got an HDMI adaptor for my Wii which works beautifully for only $8

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...I recently got an HDMI adaptor for my Wii which works beautifully for only $8

I got mine for free (as a gift), so I guess there goes that. Also, my Mini NES just soared in value, I'd love to see your HDMI adaptor do that!

I don't understand why you're hating on it, anyways. Speaking from experience, it is a great amount of fun, easy to hook up, and it is aesthetically awesome.

I also don't understand Nintendo's move here...classic. Maybe they are hoarding a bunch of the units for themselves so they can put them up on eBay on their own. Kidding...OR AM I.
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I got mine as a prize in fantasy football, which rules. It's pretty great, especially since our actual Nintendo doesn't work through our current receiver.

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I got mine as a prize in fantasy football, which rules. It's pretty great, especially since our actual Nintendo doesn't work through our current receiver.

Not even with an RF switch?! (Actually, at least one of my HDTVs still has a coaxial input for some crazy reason, I bet I could hook up a real NES through it if I was that crazy).

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I'm not sure what you're saying here, is it mainly that you got a lot of the experience just for the prize of an adapter? I mean, that is true, I guess, but I think it misses a lot of what made the Classic a good thing at its retail price - the original feel controllers, the bundling of the games (I don't know if all the games are available on the Virtual Console store, but if they are, they'd probably cost $150 to get them all). But to each his own anyway, unless you're (not Spooniest, just a general "you") one of the people I've seen on other sites talking about how anyone who buys this is stupid because emulation.

I've heard a rumor that they're planning on retooling the hardware to make it less easy to mod, and then they're just going to roll them back out again. Personally, I'm fine if they do this, but I get why it would annoy some folks. I bet the resale market for originals will stay high if they do this, but it will make the new ones easier to get for people who just want one laying around.

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...I recently got an HDMI adaptor for my Wii which works beautifully for only $8

I'm not sure what you're saying here, is it mainly that you got a lot of the experience just for the prize of an adapter?

Nope.

I mean, that, since I didn't end up being able to get a Nes Classic, I got an HDMI adaptor for my WII so that I can output video in Progressive Scan mode.

...It is almost as good as having a Nes Classic.

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...I recently got an HDMI adaptor for my Wii which works beautifully for only $8

I got mine for free (as a gift), so I guess there goes that. Also, my Mini NES just soared in value, I'd love to see your HDMI adaptor do that!

I don't understand why you're hating on it, anyways. Speaking from experience, it is a great amount of fun, easy to hook up, and it is aesthetically awesome.

I also don't understand Nintendo's move here...classic. Maybe they are hoarding a bunch of the units for themselves so they can put them up on eBay on their own. Kidding...OR AM I.

Hating on it, good heavens, I was thrilled when it was announced

I'm hating on the decision to discontinue it, where is your logic now hmmm?

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