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Posted by: Hanyou 1st September 2003 22:52

I've got a warning meter below me, when no one else does. Why is that? Have I been warned for something?

Posted by: Tiddles 1st September 2003 22:59

A couple of people asked this in chat, too, so I should probably clarify it.

Except for the staff, everyone has a warning meter, but the catch is, you can only see your own.

We thought this was better than hanging a big WARNED tag and custom title around your neck and shaming you all over the place, particularly if you only did something minor. Plus, it allows us a much greater level of control over how much you're warned, rather than just on or off.

So from now on, we might warn you for more minor offences than before, but don't worry, little guys: only you and the evil staff of doom can see.

People who were in the WARNED group on the old forum have now lost the tag, and gained 60% in new warnings, regardless of the severity of what they were warned for. I was simply too lazy to calculate warn labels for specific people.

If your warning meter sits on zero, you're doing well.

Pinning this for reference. If you have any further warn-related questions (other than about your own warning level), do feel free to add them here.

Posted by: Shirrow 2nd September 2003 20:34

Wonderful, Tiddles (And the other staff crew too)

! I always thought it was bad when I saw a big fat "WARNED" sign on a certain member. That system was really unfair and must have ashamed the people who got a warning. I'm glad to see you've fixed this now.

Posted by: Tidu-who 5th September 2003 20:32

So does the warning level go back down over a period of time?

Posted by: Neal 5th September 2003 20:59

As far as I know, the warning level will only decrease if someone with authority lowers it. I don't know what exactly you see, but on my screen I see a + and a - button next to the warning meter, and clicking either one will take me to a screen where I raise/lower a member's warning level and give a reason for it. You can see the reason for a warning by clicking on your warning level.

Also,

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Wonderful, Tiddles (And the other staff crew too) ! I always thought it was bad when I saw a big fat "WARNED" sign on a certain member. That system was really unfair and must have ashamed the people who got a warning.

Tiddles spearheaded this, and for the exact reasons you just mentioned. The big WARNED tag looked so much like BANNED that it came off as much more severe than we wanted it to be. It's meant to be a warning, and it's not supposed to be a rude threat -- it's really just letting you know that you made an error, describing that error, and asking you not to do it again.

Posted by: Shirrow 6th September 2003 11:02

If the warning goes up to 100%, do you get banned directly or is it when it goes one step higher than 100% (Meaning that 100% is the very final step before getting banned)?

Posted by: Tiddles 6th September 2003 13:22

I guess we'll decide that if anyone gets there, eh? Don't worry too much about it. If someone's been warned either five or six times without any reduction between, it must be pretty bad either way.

Posted by: AnarchistDream 8th November 2003 23:21

I think we should be able to see other's warning signs. That way it can stir up some conversation.

Posted by: Tiddles 8th November 2003 23:23

Please read the rest of the topic. This system deliberately does not allow that, for good reasons. It's not going to change.

Posted by: Vicks 9th November 2003 00:30

I thought the warning was for new guys that had only been here for a short while.
Also does your warning meter go up if you post off topic?

Posted by: Elena99 9th November 2003 01:15

It really depends on how far off topic you go. We decide on our own (usually nabbing one or two admins and asking their opinion first, but not always) whether or not the offence deserves it. Usually, though, if you just went offtopic once, you're not going to be warned. There's a good chance you'll get a PM about it, though.

Posted by: Kuja 5th February 2004 21:14

::huff:: ::puff:: Jevus thank god you guys cleared that for me, I thought I was doomed! DOOMED!! but uh, how do we get it down?

Posted by: Rangers51 5th February 2004 21:55

Quote (Kuja @ 5th February 2004 15:14)

::huff:: ::puff:: Jevus thank god you guys cleared that for me, I thought I was doomed! DOOMED!! but uh, how do we get it down?

A staffer lowers it for you. If you have one for a long time, and you don't feel you deserve it anymore, you can feel free to PM one of us and ask us if it should be removed. But ask, don't tell. You don't want us to remember being annoyed at you when we go to edit your warning.

Kuja, I've lowered yours, I think you've had it long enough.

Posted by: RacistAgainstChocobos 19th March 2004 03:57

i have been warned for over 3 months now how come its not going away? i thought if i was good it would go away...

Posted by: Rangers51 19th March 2004 04:05

Quote (RacistAgainstChocobos @ 18th March 2004 21:57)

i have been warned for over 3 months now how come its not going away? i thought if i was good it would go away...

Note how I said to PM one of us, not post in here.

And it's only been a month and a half for you.

Posted by: LeviBryant 11th November 2004 20:31

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You guys are so funny. I think it's rather obvious why regular members can't see other members' warning levels. That stuff is private and should only be seen by staff members.

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Um... okay? -R51

Posted by: mades 3rd October 2005 15:52

ah! wonderful this is! but, uhm, i'd like something be to clarified just a tad more. when you meter reaches 100% (assuming it does), does anything happen? (i don't mean like a mod banning you or whatever) do we still we have the power to post and all that? (including our number posts going up)

Mades

Posted by: Rangers51 3rd October 2005 16:48

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When your meter reaches 100%, the staff decides on a case-by-case basis what happens to you. It could be moderated posts, it could be a banning. Really, if you bother us that much we might just torture you a bit.

Posted by: His Shadow 3rd October 2005 21:45

Maybe I come from a generation that’s been around for a while, I ran a couple sites and over the years I learned people don’t care. They will keep on posting and hang around to frustrate, even you.

You can ban them, but hell they could always mask there IP and create accounts non stop but way to do it is just make them miserable.

Or better yet, I have a forum secret that would make the worst forum Nemesis pretty much go away. Have all users ignore the person completely. They don’t get attention or piss no one off, thus they pretty much don’t have a reason to waist there energy posting if no one is wasting energy responding to them.

Of course, forum leaders rarely figure that out till they pretty much go insane. Someone keeps posting racist remarks, so what do you do? Complain how better you are with angst filled posts and that you own the site and blah blah and get yourself up set and then ban the person, then he keeps coming back with a different IP.

One guy Mitch used to love to do this to sites full of angst filled 15 year olds and he would cause uproars all over the place. When Betaff was popular and still around and doing articles on all the major FF web sites (Caves of Narshe never made it on the list I am afraid.) not only did they do articles after articles about this guy but eventually the hired him to do articles on various Final Fantasy sites.

It was popular all over the internet and got a rowdy response from webmaster DH who they occasionally poked fun at and eventually Dh tried to make his own site criticizing all other web sites but his own but it failed, miserably.

I am proud to say they written two articles one all about myself when I was younger and another fully dedicated article about myself.

God, that old age is really kicking in, going on a rant about one thing and then going….ah never mind.

Anyways, no need to waist your time with certain hacks, just direct people to ignore a person who keeps on annoying everyone. That usually makes us go away pretty quickly.

Posted by: Rangers51 3rd October 2005 21:52

Wow, great tips.

Posted by: His Shadow 3rd October 2005 22:13

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Wow, great tips.

I know, I am so great

I demand satisfaction!

Posted by: Rangers51 3rd October 2005 22:23

OK.

No, seriously, I realize you're ostensibly trying to give us some help on how to handle people - while at the same time putting forth a nice little subtle "you're not as good as these other sites" - but do you really think it's warranted to try to move the topic to that matter? We don't use hacks; the forums in terms of the warning and ban system are completely out of the box. And if someone thinks it's so important to be here and be annoying that they'd work around an IP mask and everything, more power to them.

We're not soliciting ideas on how to run the site. I don't think you noticed it, but we've been doing this quite a while - and you specifically asked me to get your login information to you last week so that you could be a member here again. While we may not be nearly as special as you or the sites we run, I think we mostly do okay (and there are some people who would be happy to join up with you if you think that's not the case).

Posted by: His Shadow 3rd October 2005 22:36

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I never stated you yourself used certain hacks (or need to) to try and improve the site. I am only speaking on what other people I have known have used in the past (and failed). Like such a hack to literally make a person miserable. What it does is basically make a person who is viewing your site, making it impossibly slow for them to move on to the next page and other areas of the site. This hack was thought to be useful. Web masters who used this code ultimately wasted there time because users found other ways around the system which made it pointless.

I don’t know what hacks you used as forum ad ons but I recommend you read my posts more carefully and don’t feel so insecure. I am not claiming your site is not as good as others.

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We're not soliciting ideas on how to run the site.

Hmm, I was only poking fun at what other people did in the past but since you brought it up, then if you don’t need people to give suggestions, why have a comments and suggestion forum? You opened the door on that one, sorry.

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I don't think you noticed it, but we've been doing this quite a while - and you specifically asked me to get your login information to you last week so that you could be a member here again. While we may not be nearly as special as you or the sites we run, I think we mostly do okay (and there are some people who would be happy to join up with you if you think that's not the case).

Of course, you been up since I was in grammar school and I have a child and been through the Marine Corps and few other ventures in my lifetime. You shouldn’t be so serious about things, learn how to relate to jokes and criticism better and I wasn’t even criticizing this site in my previous post, I was more talking about other sites and myself.

LOL dude, I am not asking anyone to join to me and run with anything, I think you need a chill pill buddy lol calm down

Posted by: Kimahri 4th October 2005 01:48

Not to be off-topic or anything, but isn't this topic a little old? But yeah, the new system is much better then a huge WARN next to their name. (Even though I joined after that was solved...

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Posted by: Hamedo 5th October 2005 00:43

I kindof got used to my warning, when I had it. I had actually grown quite fond of it when Josh decided to wipe my slate clean.

The warning system here at CoN is fine, plain and simple. The Mods are like frigging hawks when it comes to divebombing tasteless or stupid posts within minutes of them going up..... and once found, they seem to (for the most part) do a decent job of dealing with the incident. Do I agree with them all the time? Of course not. Do I think they do their job well, though? Meh.... No, just kidding. Yes, they do their job well.

Posted by: Sabin Trainee 27th October 2005 02:44

Question for anyone mainlyTiddles. I was wandering if the staff can see our warnmometer thingimobob. And what the highest it goes.....

.... if you dont mind me asking

Posted by: Elena99 27th October 2005 03:08

The staff can see it, since it's there for the staff to see. If it goes to 100%, I believe you're banned.

Posted by: Sabin Trainee 27th October 2005 14:40

Banned!ouch! Its a pretty neat system you got going here,it goes along with the privacy rule pretty well. But I Have a question that should be clarified( 2 if ya see it that way) Idont know if this has already answered but here goes. What are you banned from ,and how long?

Posted by: Rangers51 27th October 2005 16:22

Posting on the forums or using most other features of the forums, and permanently. If you really do something horrid, you might be shut off from using the site at all. But I don't think I've done that for a couple years.

Posted by: Barrylocke 27th October 2005 17:46

Yeah, I wondered about that thing, sweet idea R51. In other forums, other's can see your warning level, so embarresment has been known to ensue.

Posted by: Snowman 10th December 2005 22:18

People are saying "Oh, its embarrasing having a warning." Why not just avoid being warned? Be kind and helpful to each other and all the staff at CoN. They all do such a great job I think they should be congratulated... so... CONGRATULATIONS!!! And thank you for all your hard work guys. If I can ever be of assistance with anything dont hesitate to ask.

Posted by: Quad 7th March 2006 03:40

Yeah yeah I know the topic's been dead for three months, but I have a question. How many people have been banned? I've only actually seen one, xboltx or something of the like.

Posted by: Franz Kefka Palazzo 24th March 2006 23:18

I am quite livid at a certianstaff member.

They said that the worst way to get the warn meter lowered is by asking. Can Rangers-51 explain this? Is it the case that the warning is supposed to be perminant?

Posted by: Silverlance 24th March 2006 23:45

My warning was at 20% for what must've been over a year.

Mainly because I never bothered to bring it up with anyone, though.

Truly, I don't think warnings should be reset. If you've been warned, it's probably because you deserved it. If you've been warned 5x, that is, if moderators judged your actions negative enough to warrant deciding to warn you multiple times, maybe it's time you take a long break from the board and think about what you're doing wrong.

But then again, everyone deserves a second chance.

Posted by: Hamedo 24th March 2006 23:55

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You'll get over it, I'm sure.

I got warned once over bringing religion into a thread. It stayed there for what I *think* was two months? I bugged Josh to lower it a few times, to no avail. After two months, though, one day he just popped into my PM to say that it had been dropped. It was a nice way to go about it, on his end.

This isn't school, man. You don't get a note home to the parents if you're warned. Just let it ride, and in a few months bring it up to a mod that you'd like it dropped, if they see fit to do so. They're not an unreasonable bunch of people.

Posted by: karasuman 25th March 2006 00:33

And here I thought that you were supposed to feel that it was okay to ask if you thought you'd been on good behavior for a while. Honestly, whichever staff member said that probably just doesn't like you, and that guideline is really interpreted to mean "you can ask--but don't, because you were dumb enough to get warned in the first place, so you're probably wrong, and we can't tell you not to ask or we come off like nazis, so we'll just be nazis in private." That's how life is.

Posted by: Rangers51 25th March 2006 03:06

Quote (Franz Kefka Palazzo @ 24th March 2006 18:18)

Ask when you feel that you've been on good behaviour, have been contributing in a positive way to the site or the quality of forum discussion, and haven't been irritating to staff. If you feel that you meet those criteria, and you ask, and it doesn't get lowered, odds are staff don't agree.

Complaining about it doesn't help.

Posted by: DR FF DS 22nd October 2007 03:39

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I agree with Ranger51-sama! btw I think that it was cooler as a golden flan with said avatar, than beefs are tender and new avatar... for r51 avatar and rank.
I feel so ashamed! I have warning 20%! *sob* *wail* *watches Naruto kick A** for comfort with RASENGAN* All for HinaNaru or NaruHina as some say. all for Kataang. naruto and avatar respectively. definetly not sokara. zutara not to great either with zukai going on. yay for anime

Posted by: Neal 22nd October 2007 04:20

Okay, this topic really did not need to be revived for this nonsense.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 27th January 2010 17:38

I have something to add.

For the first warning i got.

I wasn't attacking.

I was trying to clarify that there are sometimes good reasons something isn't liked and gets bad review,but i also clarified later that there must also be a good reason something gets good reviews,otherwise it would be just plain bad.

As for my second warning,well it was my fault for not thinking about the warning.

I never got any warnings before in the past.

Posted by: laszlow 27th January 2010 19:47

According to R51's mod edits of your warned posts, you appear to have earned both of those warnings for profanity and not for personal attacks. If you just use the f-word a little less then those warnings will reduce and disappear with time.

Posted by: Rangers51 1st February 2010 16:19

Since this thread's been revived, I think it's a good time to point out that if you feel your warning was not justified or that you've been better behaved and want your warning reduced, that you should contact someone on staff directly. We used to try to keep an eye on such things, but frankly there's not much time to do so these days. Don't feel afraid to contact us, as long as you're not a jerk about it the worst you can hear is "no."

Posted by: HolyCeles 12th November 2013 17:58

Why is there a warn level under my profile when i post? What does it mean? I'm confused. I don't know if this is on the right forum, but whatever. Why is it there?

Thanks

Posted by: Raiden314 12th November 2013 18:24

theres a whole forum about it if you can find it
If i can I'll post a link to it

Posted by: Cefca 12th November 2013 19:03

Right above this thread.

http://www.cavesofnarshe.com/forums/ipb/in...?showtopic=1806

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If your warning meter sits on zero, you're doing well.

Pinning this for reference. If you have any further warn-related questions (other than about your own warning level), do feel free to add them here.

Posted by: HolyCeles 12th November 2013 19:52

Thanks Cefca! Well, as far as i can see, i've been good so far!

Posted by: Zephir 13th November 2013 22:07

Mine isn't at 100% yet! !Rage user posted image

Posted by: Spooniest 14th November 2013 01:21

Holy fear of mod staff is the key to a happy forum life I say.

Posted by: Rangers51 15th November 2013 21:50

Merged the newer thread to the old thread, with a kindly reminder to try not to post anything annoying in a thread in which I'm already reading about warnings.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 16th November 2013 09:01

Dear Josh. I am laughing at this thread

Love,
Blinge

(ps reduce my warn level plz)