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Some of the Limit breaks in FF7 are just so pathetic. Especially: All Creation and Cosmo Memory. They only damage the enemies once. Why ? Compare these with limits like Highwind or Omnislash, which cause much more damage. This is not fair !!! I mean, why consider playing with Yuffie or Red XIII when you know that their limits aren't half as good as the others. I know that Yuffie is good for morphing and so on. But that's not enough in my opinion. When I first played FF7, my three main characters were: Cloud, Red and Cid. I was very pleased with Cid, but I got so frustrated when I finally got the 4th Limit for Red (Cosmo Memory). Even his Level 3 limits are better than the 4th. I know that other things except Limits matter, but remember, the only thing that makes a character in FF7 unique, are his/her limit breaks. They haven't got any special commands like in FF6, where Sabin for example has Blitz and so on. They're all the same except for some stats differenses. Sad but true.

FF7 isn't a difficult game, I know. You can easily beat the game no matter what characters you use. But it's still very annoying !

So, what would the ultimate team be ? The answer is Cloud, Barrett and Cid. Why ? Because they have the best limit breaks, and that is the boring truth.

Please share your opinions about this dilemma.

This post has been edited by Amido on 21st September 2003 14:29

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Actually I beg to differ. I think what determines the best characters is the weaponry they have available. Yuffie's 2nd Level 3 break is pretty good too... I think it's called blood feast or something like that.

I like Cloud, Cid, and Barret for my party too, but I also use Yuffie quite a bit because she has a powerful 4-slot Double AP weapon, the Rising Sun. Cid and Cloud both had the only Triple AP weapons as well. The ability to grow materia faster is one of the most important factors in weaponry later in the game, especially if you want to get the master materia. Naturally whoever you use the most to get it will level up more than the other characters, and that is really the deciding factor in the final party. Limits just don't happen often enough in the final battles to make them a deciding factor, although they do help greatly in the Gold Saucer Battle Square.

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yea. it's not fair that Yuffie or Red XIII's 4th limit break only cause 9999 points of damage.
I just screw with All Creation and let Yuffie use her Doom of the living instead.
I think doom of the living is way better then All creation, once you really trained Yuffie up hard, it'll cause more then all creation.

The only way you could have all of the limit breaks be equally cool would to have them all be basically the same. I agree that some of them wound up being a little lamer, but do you really pick your party based on their limits?

IMHO, Aeris had the best final limit. As much as I hated Aeris and was glad when you could no longer use her, I still had to ressurect her occasionally to lay the smack-down on Emerald Weapon...because of Great Gospel.

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i agree Amido the perfect trio is cloud, cid and barret purely because of their limit breaks which is really stupid because then u reject the others.
what does the great gospel limit do?

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Quote (parkspapercut @ 21st September 2003 14:16)

i agree Amido the perfect trio is cloud, cid and barret purely because of their limit breaks which is really stupid because then u reject the others.
what does the great gospel limit do?

Aeris full heals all characters, removed status ailments, and revives (and fully heals) dead party members. Everyone is also invincible for a short period of time.

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Omnislash was a really cheap limit, IMO. It's like a 13 hit combo or something, all hits worth 2000+... and, at first it's like "behold the godly powers of omnislash, fools!".. but after awhile, while delivering an "Omnislash" to a weak enemy like a GOBLIN (can we say "overkill"), it just was really cheap and was just too easy. You need a challenge even after you defeat the game.

My personal favorite limit is Climhazzard. It really helped me out early in the game and when I first played through, it was the final blow inflicted upon Sephy, so...

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Quote (karasuman @ 21st September 2003 12:50)

The only way you could have all of the limit breaks be equally cool would to have them all be basically the same.    I agree that some of them wound up being a little lamer, but do you really pick your party based on their limits?

IMHO, Aeris had the best final limit.  As much as I hated Aeris and was glad when you could no longer use her, I still had to ressurect her occasionally to lay the smack-down on Emerald Weapon...because of Great Gospel.

Yes, Aeris might have the best Limit break of them all. But do you really get to use great gospel that much ? I mean,

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she dies at the end of disc 1.

So why should you even bother to train her ?

What I meant was, why did square make the 4th limit worse than the third in certain cases ? Like with Red XIII where Earth Rave is way better than Cosmo Memory. Why are some characters' 4th limit so worthless compared to others ?

This post has been edited by Amido on 21st September 2003 21:22

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I mean, why consider playing with Yuffie or Red XIII when you know that their limits aren't half as good as the others.

For a challenge, and to not be cheap?

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but I got so frustrated when I finally got the 4th Limit for Red (Cosmo Memory). Even his Level 3 limits are better than the 4th.

I think Cosmo Memory is the coolest-looking Limit.

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I know that other things except Limits matter, but remember, the only thing that makes a character in FF7 unique, are his/her limit breaks.

One of the many fallouts of FFVII.

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So, what would the ultimate team be ?

I have been using Vincent and Cid lately. I've been trying to level up Materia, and Cloud (who you have no choice in using) and Cid have triple-growth weapons, and Vincent has the only 8-materia weapon with any growth.

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i agree Amido the perfect trio is cloud, cid and barret purely because of their limit breaks which is really stupid because then u reject the others.
what does the great gospel limit do?

Aeris full heals all characters, removed status ailments, and revives (and fully heals) dead party members. Everyone is also invincible for a short period of time.

And the other two party members' Limit bars fill (Or am I mixing that with one of her Lv3 limits?)

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Omnislash was a really cheap limit, IMO. It's like a 13 hit combo or something, all hits worth 2000+... and, at first it's like "behold the godly powers of omnislash, fools!".. but after awhile, while delivering an "Omnislash" to a weak enemy like a GOBLIN (can we say "overkill"), it just was really cheap and was just too easy. You need a challenge even after you defeat the game.

Yes, Omnislash was rather cheap when it came to overkills, but it comes nowhere NEAR as cheap as Squall's "Lionheart" in FFVIII (At least a 20 hit combo, all hits 9999 if high enough level). Personally though I rather like Limits like Omnislash or Lionheart. Not much is quite as satisfying as finding a weak enemy and pouding the s*** out of him.

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Yes, Aeris might have the best Limit break of them all. But do you really get to use great gospel that much ? I mean,

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she dies at the end of disc 1.

So why should you even bother to train her ?

If I'm not mixing it up with one of her other limits, the 4th one can also fill the other two guy's limit bars, so I usually have her and the other two get beaten up with Control Materia, to fill the bars, that way the other two guys get two Limit uses in one, training the other guys faster.

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Yes, Omnislash was rather cheap when it came to overkills, but it comes nowhere NEAR as cheap as Squall's "Lionheart" in FFVIII (At least a 20 hit combo, all hits 9999 if high enough level). Personally though I rather like Limits like Omnislash or Lionheart. Not much is quite as satisfying as finding a weak enemy and pouding the s*** out of him. 

At least the enemies in VIII had the enemies' raised stats to compensate (though not by much) and Lionheart could only hit one guy, whereas Omnislash could wipe out everyone.

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Quote (Sabin @ 21st September 2003 16:11)

You need a challenge even after you defeat the game.

You don't have to use the level 4 limit just because you obtained it, which I am sure you know. If you want more of a challenge just set your limit level lower. It would probably make several battles much more difficult. Limit yourself to only using up to a certain level for all characters.

This post has been edited by Hanyou on 22nd September 2003 06:42

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Quote (Dark Paladin @ 22nd September 2003 03:37)

If I'm not mixing it up...

You are. The only limit-bar-filling limit break is her 2/2, Fury Brand. Great Gospel is a combination of her 3/1 (Planet Protector: invulnerability) and 3/2 (Pulse of Life: full cure).

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At least the enemies in VIII had the enemies' raised stats to compensate (though not by much) and Lionheart could only hit one guy, whereas Omnislash could wipe out everyone.

Nope, 8 was way cheaper. Stats only compensated for levels, which simply became worthless. There was no compensation for having stupid limit breaks/GFs (or stupitd stats, or any of the other things you could do). To win FF8, you just summon constantly for half the game, and limit constantly the rest. And how often do you need a big limit when there's more than one target on screen, anyway? Especially in 8. But you know what makes it way too cheap? You can just get a limit every turn. Omnislash is just about more powerful than Lionheart, but at least you have to fill up your bar to use it.

But that's all beside the point.

I just don't know why some people have more powerful L3 breaks than L4 in FF7. But in the end, if the level 3 breaks are good enough, is it really much of a reason not to use them? Remember, if you're on Level 3, you get a limit more often anyway, so some of the multi-hit ones on that level probably work out almost as powerful as some of the lesser multi-hit level 4 breaks over time. You could almost see it as an advantage in some respects.

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You need a challenge even after you defeat the game.

This may be going a bit off, but to raise a point you do have some other things left to do like the weapons, but then again a few summons and an omnislash will do it...

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Couldn't agree more, Amido. Although you sometimes choose characters for other things than limit breaks, it looks silly when Cloud does a super-combo with tons of damage, and Red just does a one hit. Makes him look cheap. And yes, if it would be fair, their limits might be quite alike. But they could do different things on all the other levels, and have their level 4 as a super-combo.

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it would make you choose certain characters over others which isnt fair if you really like a character and had built them and they did a crap limit break

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Quote (parkspapercut @ 3rd October 2003 02:48)

it would make you choose certain characters over others which isnt fair if you really like a character and had built them and they did a crap limit break

There isn't really any "fair" about it. If you like the character and you've built them up, they might not be as cool as someone with a great limit would have been if you'd built them up instead, but so what? Them's the breaks. You've got an okay character to play with now, and, if you really want to, you can either level the cool limit guy up, or just suck it up and acknowledge that you liked someone because they were neat, and not because they dealt X amount of damage.

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i dont think lionheart was that cheap i mean i used limits with the lionheart every turn during the final boss and not once did i get the lionheart limit

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i dont think lionheart was that cheap

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i used limits with the lionheart every turn

therein lay the problem with ff8 limits.

ff6 limits were TRASH
ff7 limits were ideal but indeed seperated the characters into usefulness
ff9 limits sucked because you counldt save them
ff10 limits returned to the ideal state but again some limits like attack reel and blitz ace made some characters better than others (fawk that, i used auron, rikku, and lulu anyway )

I really liked the limit break system in VII. It definitely worked better than IX and VI. Imo it was better than VIII's system too, because the limits were too easy to access. While fighting Ultimecia's final form you could just let her use Hell's Judgement, heal two of your characters, leave Squall on 1HP and slap a hero on him for stupid amounts of damage. Same with Zell, actually.

Anyway, I always play VII through with a different team, just to experiment, and I've found it easiest to defeat Safer Sephiroth with Tifa and Red XIII. I actually killed him with an Earth Rave. I had taught Red XIII Cosmo Memory but forgotten to change the limit level in the menu.

Imo they should just make Red XIII's final limit Earth Rave, and Yuffie's Doom Of The Living.

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While fighting Ultimecia's final form you could just let her use Hell's Judgement, heal two of your characters, leave Squall on 1HP and slap a hero on him for stupid amounts of damage. Same with Zell, actually.

Screw healing them. Bring Rinoa, and when Ulty uses Hell's Judgement, she'll just use Invincible Moon and everyone's invincible. When it wears off, do it again. No sweat.

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Yes, but that makesit too easy you do want it to be a challenge.