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How do you increase the "Limit" level ? Is it how many
enemies you defeat, or does it increase depending on how many limits you perform ?

Another question I would like to ask, is what "Limit" does the greatest amount of damage ? Many friends keep telling me that Cloud's level 4 "Limit" does the greatest damage. But doesn't Tifa do more damage if you get "Yeah" on all of her limits ?

Thank you !  

This post has been edited by Amido on 22nd September 2003 12:17

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It's been a while since I played FFVII, but I think this is how it works...

Each limit level has two breaks, right?  You get level 1, break 1 automatically.  In order to get the second level 1 break, you have to use the first one a certain amount of times.

In order to get the first break of the next level, you have to kill a certain number of monsters.  Then you have to use the new break so many times to get the second one of the level.

Getting new breaks becomes harder as the break level goes up, too.

I think the number of monsters you have to kill is different for different characters, but I'm not sure about that.    But it is possible to have the first limit break of the new level before you have the second break of the previous level, if you never use your limits.

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on that subject , me and my freinds could not get the fourth limits to work (and yes we had the items). but when Vicnent hit limit level three, we could put him onto 4 instantly. how do you use the 4th limit levels?

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Basicly on 7 u need to get hit or sometimes hit someone even though 4th and 3rd take awhile and 4th i think slows u down

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karasuman was right. But the amount of times you need to do it increases with each level.
I think King Of Sacrifice was explaining how to fill the bar (you need to take damage; not give it or both)

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on that subject , me and my freinds could not get the fourth limits to work (and yes we had the items). but when Vicnent hit limit level three, we could put him onto 4 instantly. how do you use the 4th limit levels?

You have to know every other Limit for that character.



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To fill out the Limits data bank on this thread, Vincent only has the one Limit break for each level, for a total of 4 breaks when he knows them all.  Cait Sith only has 2 limit breaks in total, Slots and Dice.

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You also have to use the items on the relevant character before they get the level four limit break.  Maybe it seems obvious, but it's the kind of thing you can miss sometimes.  There's also apparently a bug which can prevent certain characters from getting them, in which case you'll have to start a new game if you want them.

Cloud's Omnislash does masses more damage than a straight run of Yeahs all the way to Final Heaven (not to mention that it's difficult to hit Yeah, or even Hit on the last couple of tumblers).  Each of Tifa's limits only does one hit each, so even chaining all seven in the row can't compete with the multiple-hit pounding of Omnislash.

But don't always switch to your level four without thinking... sometimes a lower limit is better.  I seem to remember preferring Yuffie's 3/2 over her 4.

The number of kills required to get to a new level does indeed vary per character and per level, mostly for balance, considering that you have some characters forcibly for more of the time than others (and Cloud for almost the whole game).  They still didn't lower Aeris's enough that you'd be likely to get them all while you can, but it's quite possible to do so if you've the inclination.  The first and only battle where I managed to fill up the level four limit meter for her was the very last one where I could use it, in the only game where I bothered to obtain it.  It was great though!  Try it sometime, if you haven't already.

Aeris' level 4 limit break was the only thing that made her fun to have around, in my opinion.  Oh, sure, free healing was great for a while, but the fact that I tend to try not to need it overshadowed that.  I don't like to let characters fill up their limits most of the time.  I try to keep everyone uninjured.  (Except for FF8.  I got sick of the damn Tonberries, so I just let Quistis and Squall go to town on their dumb asses.)

But, yeah.  Aeris' level 4 is good--and incredibly unbalancing.  If you had it for more of the game, none of the fights would be a challenge.

In fact, I actually bother using a GS to have her in my party if I feel like taking on Ruby and Emerald Weapon.  I can't beat them legitimately, but her level 4 limit saves the day.

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...Okay, how are you guys getting Aeris' level four break? o.O;;  I've only gotten her to level three, and maxed out her XP level...

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...Okay, how are you guys getting Aeris' level four break? o.O;;  I've only gotten her to level three, and maxed out her XP level...

You get the level 4 limits with items, not by killing monsters.    You get hers from a chest in some guy's house...

Okay, I give.  Someone who played the game more recently than I did/wants to look it up in a FAQ, answer this question.

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You need to have the last two digits of the number of battles you have fought the same, then visit the Sleeping Man on the Midgar Continent.  You will need to use the buggy.  He gives you some Mythri.

Go to the blacksmith near Gongaga and give him the Mythril.  He will give you a choice of two treasure chests.  Choose the smaller one on the second floor, it contains Aeris' Great Gospel.

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Quote (Hanyou @ 27 Aug 2003, 01:47)

You need to have the last two digits of the number of battles you have fought the same, then visit the Sleeping Man on the Midgar Continent.  You will need to use the buggy.  He gives you some Mythri. Go to the blacksmith near Gongaga and give him the Mythril.  He will give you a choice of two treasure chests.  Choose the smaller one on the second floor, it contains Aeris' Great Gospel.

And you can find out the number of battles you've fought by talking to him, right?

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Yeah, he mumbles it in his sleep...I think. He either mumbles battles, or running from battles, or both. You need to match up the battles you've ran away from as well for something, can't remember quite what for though.

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Quote (Zephir @ 27 Aug 2003, 01:53)

To fill out the Limits data bank on this thread, Vincent only has the one Limit break for each level, for a total of 4 breaks when he knows them all.  Cait Sith only has 2 limit breaks in total, Slots and Dice.

As far as I know, Cait Sith DOES actually have a third limit break. If you kill an unbelievable amount of enemies with Cait Sith, you will get his level 3 limit break, which is a very weird one.

The level 3 section will be highlighted, but there will be no name, just a blank line. If you use this limit in a fight, it will look like the game screws up, but it's supposed to be in that way. Then all the enemies will be killed directly, and you will recieve all exp, AP, money and items from them. This ALWAYS works. Never misses.

This should be true. Not a false rumour.

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Is this true?  I don't think I have ever heard about this, I just checked a few walkthroughs and none of them mentioned it.

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I've never seen any credible evidence of this (indeed, I only just heard of the rumour).  If it does work, it is certainly a glitch and not intended behaviour, but I believe it's just a rumour.

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I've never seen any credible evidence of this (indeed, I only just heard of the rumour).  If it does work, it is certainly a glitch and not intended behaviour, but I believe it's just a rumour.

Same here.  Someone tried to convince me that it was true a few years ago, so I tried...but it didn't happen.  Look, if you could do it, you could do it with a GS, and as someone who does every weird thing she can with a GS, I think I can safely say that you can't do it with a GS...

...so I don't think you can do it.

But then, I generally put everything into the rumor category until someone who I believe me tells me that s/he has personally done it or physically seen a friend do it.

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I'm certain that particular rumor has only been associated with the original japanese version anyway, there's not one report about any US (and AFAIK, FF7 International) version having Cait Sith's level 3 break.

As far as any truth to it, I don't particularly care.

What I want to know is if Cait Sith's Slots are rigged like Setzer's, and if it's the same (random number generator with a reset index each battle), how to screw the game right back over and use Death Joker repedetly.  Hell, I can already do that with Setzer, why not the stray cat as well?

...and how to get the real Aire Tam Storm, but that's another subject for another time.  I like my fake copy using Ultima for the base, but the lack of power and no draining ability kinda reminds me of how halfassed my version really is.

I only mention it thinking maybe someone has beaten me to it.  If not, I won't mind finding it myself (and Emerald Beam, and Emerald Shoot...).

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this is something i did on my first time fru FF7 and i still dont know the answer. do you no that when you ignore certain characters and level up others the game automatically levels up the ones your ignoring, well when i did that they (the ones i was ignoring) stayed on level 1 limit breaks where the ones i had trained were higher. is it then possible to raise the levels of the ones you've ignored?
sorry if this seems a bit but any help would be well recieved!

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Yes. See above for how limit levels work; they're not related to your EXP levels, but how often characters actually kill enemies and use limits. You just need to satisfy the limit level up requirements with each and every character manually. There's no way for it to filter back like EXP does.

does the game make the characters weaker that it levels up for you?

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Nope. They just level up slowly.

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this is something i did on my first time fru FF7 and i still dont know the answer. do you no that when you ignore certain characters and level up others the game automatically levels up the ones your ignoring, well when i did that they (the ones i was ignoring) stayed on level 1 limit breaks where the ones i had trained were higher. is it then possible to raise the levels of the ones you've ignored?
sorry if this seems a bit  but any help would be well recieved!

If you were asking about characters not in battle gaining levels, then the characters not in your party gain half the experience the ones in the party do.
If you were asking if it is possible to raise limits outside of battle, what Tiddles said.

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okay thanks, the thing i hate though is when im leveling up characters i usually go to a cave or somewhere longwinded like Mt.Nibel maybe, and then i keep leveling up and forget to change characters to level them up and even thought they are the same level there stats are weaker

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Quote (parkspapercut @ 22nd September 2003 11:31)

even thought they are the same level there stats are weaker

Could have to do with (if this is what you do) the fact most people don't equip characters who aren't in their party with Materia, which changes stats

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i thought the majority just gave you a negative effect

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Quote (parkspapercut @ 22nd September 2003 14:44)

i thought the majority just gave you a negative effect

Depends on what stat you're looking at and what materia you're using. An increase in Magic and Magic Defense will usually have an equal decrease in Strangth and Vitality, and vice versa.

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Okay, this is going back to the subject of Aeris's final limit break, even though I never actually got it in my game; heck, I don't think I even got both of her Level 2 ones. But I talked to the guy in the cave a few times, just because I like exploring every single area of the world map in these games. And for some reason, he told me that I had run away from 1 fight...and I hadn't! Now, I never run from fights in these games if I don't have to--I either win them, or I die. The only times I run from fights is when I'm trying to get somewhere and can't be bothered to fight the enemies along the way, and in FFVII, Chocobos are so easy to get that that's unnecessary. Plus I'll rarely turn down an opportunity for a few points of XP, if the monsters are so dumb as to throw themselves at me.

But I digress. Has this happened to anyone else? Any theories on why it might have happened?

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Has this happened to anyone else? Any theories on why it might have happened?

You may have ran and forgot about it. Like from Midgar Zolom (if you can run from it) or something. The only FF games you are required to run from an enemy is in III and VIII, and I can't think of anywhere in VII where you would have to.

This topic has become a mixture of step-by-step tangents, so to stay (generally) on topic:
Did anyone else notice that you could get Aeris' Lv 4 Limit more than once?

This post has been edited by Dark Paladin on 23rd September 2003 08:37

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where else can you get it from?

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