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So i got this game recently and want to talk about it.

It's obviously going to be into multiple games.

I heard rumors that SE doesn't want to kill off aerith, which is a grave mistake that would lead to a difference in story

I think cloud strife is more likeable here, i think they did a good jobat making jessie and biggs developed, because the previous one didn't, and in my opinion ff6 had more on its characters than ff7 because ff7 focused too much on cloud and sephy, but that is the og.

I don't quite know what to think of the phantom things, i am worried about straying too far from the classic.

Combat:

Well its real time which seems to work pretty well actually. Being able to use limit breaks more often gives diff feel cloud as a heavy punisher in damage and barret for instance as the guy used to shoot turrets which are out of range of melee attacks.

There is sort of a crystarium but for weapons upgrade system that gives bonuses, which i guess is also kinda nice, since it gives more options to mess with and decide.


graphics: midgar looks like it did in the game but with much much higher quality graphics, with more routes to go and mini quests everywhere to get to know the people as distractions.

So far thought: Some stuff i like some i'm unsure of. I do think the char development is better than the original, but thats a given since ff7 og is over 20 years old and given their focus, they had limited room to develop fokls.

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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 21st November 2020 04:35)
So i got this game recently and want to talk about it.

It's obviously going to be into multiple games.

I heard rumors that SE doesn't want to kill off aerith, which is a grave mistake that would lead to a difference in story

I think cloud strife is more likeable here, i think they did a good jobat making jessie and biggs developed, because the previous one didn't, and in my opinion ff6 had more on its characters than ff7 because ff7 focused too much on cloud and sephy, but that is the og.

I don't quite know what to think of the phantom things, i am worried about straying too far from the classic.

Combat:

Well its real time which seems to work pretty well actually. Being able to use limit breaks more often gives diff feel cloud as a heavy punisher in damage and barret for instance as the guy used to shoot turrets which are out of range of melee attacks.

There is sort of a crystarium but for weapons upgrade system that gives bonuses, which i guess is also kinda nice, since it gives more options to mess with and decide.


graphics: midgar looks like it did in the game but with much much higher quality graphics, with more routes to go and mini quests everywhere to get to know the people as distractions.

So far thought: Some stuff i like some i'm unsure of. I do think the char development is better than the original, but thats a given since ff7 og is over 20 years old and given their focus, they had limited room to develop fokls.

What you have to understand is Square Enix told us we would never ever get a remake of Final Fantasy VII and they were right. When you see Final Fantasy VII Remake you cannot equate the Remake in which how you are imagining it. Equate Remake with World Remade.

Also you stated things look better. I would say they look different because of the butterfly effect. The 'Ghosts' have a purpose and their purpose is to try to keep things the same and to stop the butterfly effect and make sure things happen as they previously happened.

I do not know how far a long you are but this is not a Remake it is a sequel. To understand whats going on in this game you have to have played/watched Crisis Core, Final Fantasy VII-1, Final Fantasy Advent Children, and Dirge of Cerberus. This game takes place after Dirge of Cerberus story wise and way way way after Final Fantasy VII.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-s-VQBoUdc...l=silvosforever

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Equate Remake with World Remade.

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I do not know how far a long you are but this is not a Remake it is a sequel. To understand whats going on in this game you have to have played/watched Crisis Core, Final Fantasy VII-1, Final Fantasy Advent Children, and Dirge of Cerberus. This game takes place after Dirge of Cerberus story wise and way way way after Final Fantasy VII.


Aye, it's one of those sequels that takes place at the same time as the first one...with the same characters...and the same basic plot.
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I do not know how far a long you are but this is not a Remake it is a sequel. To understand whats going on in this game you have to have played/watched Crisis Core, Final Fantasy VII-1, Final Fantasy Advent Children, and Dirge of Cerberus. This game takes place after Dirge of Cerberus story wise and way way way after Final Fantasy VII.

Sorry, what?

If you tried to argue that VIIR is a reboot, not a Remake, then I could be tempted to see your point. But a sequel? No. You're out of your tree.

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I do not know how far a long you are but this is not a Remake it is a sequel. To understand whats going on in this game you have to have played/watched Crisis Core, Final Fantasy VII-1, Final Fantasy Advent Children, and Dirge of Cerberus. This game takes place after Dirge of Cerberus story wise and way way way after Final Fantasy VII.

Sorry, what?

If you tried to argue that VIIR is a reboot, not a Remake, then I could be tempted to see your point. But a sequel? No. You're out of your tree.

So I am not sure if you all finished the game or played the game or understand whats going on. I know there is a lot of people who are waiting for the others to come out because they think this is a Remake and want the 'full game' to come out when again this game is a sequel not a reboot.

So if you want to read the spoilers your more then welcome to below but just know this will spoil the entire plot of Final Fantasy VII Remake. Since most people do not think there is a new plot because its a remake this is where you'll learn you are wrong.

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Sometime after Dirge of Cerberus Sephiroth traveled back into time. Hopefully you'll get my Chrono Trigger reference with the youtube video now. Basically with this happening you'll see the scene of Zac from Crisis Core when the Price of Freedom starts playing right before he battled the Shinra Troops. Because of Sephiroth time traveling Zac survived and was not killed this time.

So yeah huge spoiler Zac is alive. During the end of the game Sephiroth stabs Barrett in the way of Aerith but is saved by the Ghosts which are meant to keep the time line the same. In fact throughout the game you'll encounter the ghosts as well as Sephiroth at the beginning of the game which changes things.

You'll notice whenever something is different from the orginal timeline the ghosts will appear.

Sephiroth will then ask Cloud to join him in defying the future that was and beckons you to follow him.

Right after that event Aerith warns the party as the planet is having her relay a message that Sephiroth is a danger the planet but the future he speaks of changing still cannot happen and asks the party to attempt to change the future.

At this point the entire party sees flash backs even Red VIII of the future they are attempting to destroy and at this point the party fights the ghosts of representing themselves to try to product the future that was made.

The party successfully fend off the ghosts of the future Cloud, Tifa, and Barret who lose the party of the past (Final Fantasy VII Remake Party).

At this point the party has changed the future and the future that happened never happened.


At this point you realize this is a sequel or many people are still confused at what just happened even though
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the whole speech about changing time and witnessing Zac survive


So to really understand whats going on in Final Fantasy VII Remake you need to play the series in order Before Crisis, Crisis Core, Final Fantasy VII, Advent Children, and Dirge of Cerberus.

Dirge of Cerberus will help you understand the UNDERGROUND areas and Crisis Core will help you understand the scenes that play in Final Fantasy VII Remake that are directly from Crisis Core.

Again for the people who are still saying they are waiting for the full game of FF7. Well tell them this is again not a remake but a sequel and they played the full game of FF7 years ago at this point and what they are getting is something unexpected but SquareEnix constantly told us they would never give us a remake.

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Equate Remake with World Remade.

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I do not know how far a long you are but this is not a Remake it is a sequel. To understand whats going on in this game you have to have played/watched Crisis Core, Final Fantasy VII-1, Final Fantasy Advent Children, and Dirge of Cerberus. This game takes place after Dirge of Cerberus story wise and way way way after Final Fantasy VII.


Aye, it's one of those sequels that takes place at the same time as the first one...with the same characters...and the same basic plot.

Hehehehe think about it. How it could be a sequel if it happens after Dirge of Cerberus but happened at the same time as a previous game biggrin.gif wink.gif

Square used to make an RPG Series that the entire premise was surrounding this. Also the plot is not the same. The ghosts try to keep everything the same to attempt to stop the butterfly effect.

If you would like to understand see my spoilers in the post above. If you're one of those people who believe this is a literal Remake and are mad or upset because there is going to be multiple releases and they just want one game. This is one sequel in the series of Final Fantasy VII just like Crisis Core, and Dirge of Cerberus.

I think the word remake has worked so well some people are holding off buying this game because they are waiting for the additional sequels to release but they think this is a remake. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif This game throws one hellva curve ball to you when you realize this isn't what you think it is.

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... Sequel...

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You know, you'd have a much better chance of engaging with other people on here and encouraging them to agree with your PoV if you dropped the arrogant assumption that everybody else is wrong and you're the only one who can be right. You also don't help yourself by making some pretty basic errors which utterly undermine your assertion that you're right and we're wrong. I mean, Red VIII? You might want to work on your arithmetic.

I've played/watched/read pretty much all of Compendium of FFVII, but I don't know of anything that supports this theory of yours. Is there any supporting evidence?

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... Sequel...

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You know, you'd have a much better chance of engaging with other people on here and encouraging them to agree with your PoV if you dropped the arrogant assumption that everybody else is wrong and you're the only one who can be right. You also don't help yourself by making some pretty basic errors which utterly undermine your assertion that you're right and we're wrong. I mean, Red VIII? You might want to work on your arithmetic.

I've played/watched/read pretty much all of Compendium of FFVII, but I don't know of anything that supports this theory of yours. Is there any supporting evidence?

Have you read the spoilers I posted above? Or beaten Final Fantasy VII? At this point I tried with the spoilers but that didn't work so I'll just have to come out with it.

Sephiroth time travels after the events of Dirge of Cerberus and saves Zac and causes other things to change. With Sephiroth time traveling from the far future he also enlists Cloud and the party to change the time line. Even Aerith who informs the party of the Planet understanding that Sephiroth is a threat that must be defeated the time line that Sephiroth is trying to change must also change because that future the planet agrees is undesirable. (This is all shown at the near end of Final Fantasy VII Remake including Zac being saved where he was supposed to die

The timeline Sephiroth comes from this has all happened already.

The Ghosts in Final Fantasy VII: Remake always try to make sure events stay the same if something tries to alter the timeline the ghosts appear and attack and try to make sure everything happens as it previously had happened such as saving Barretts life after Sephiroth stabs him in President Shinra's office

But since Zac life was saved years prior more has changed in the world.

Also you will battle Future Cloud, Future Tifa, and Future Barrett in Ghost form near the end of the game. Also Red as well as the entire party will see cutscenes from Final Fantasy VII of things that have happened in the future.

I posted spoilers above but again you answered back not acknowledging if you even played Final Fantasy VII Remake.

The people who are still saying they are waiting to buy Final Fantasy VII Remake until the 'full game' has been released pretty much by that statement you can tell they haven't played Final Fantasy VII Remake or understand what it is and what is happening. At this point the events that happened in Final Fantasy VII will not happen at all as they were supposed to because Cloud and the party defied the timeline to start anew.

Also enjoy the video of Zac surviving. The scene happens as it does in Crisis Core but the Time Line changes as the Ghosts appear and Zac survives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cw2xzU6MOE...nel=AMHarbinger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cw2xzU6MOE...nel=AMHarbinger

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Oookay. I don't know why I'm bothering, but here goes.

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Have you read the spoilers I posted above?


Yes

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Or beaten Final Fantasy VII?


Also Yes. If you'd read my post you would have seen that I did say I have played, read, and/or watched most of the Compendium. Before you start, I've also finished FFVIIR.

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At this point I tried with the spoilers but that didn't work so I'll just have to come out with it.


You're an ass.

Just because you repeat the same sentences over and over in a louder voice (removing spoiler tags) doesn't mean your argument is any clearer, any smarter, or makes any more sense.

Put your post back in spoiler tags and stop being a douche.

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The people who are still saying they are waiting to buy Final Fantasy VII Remake until the 'full game' has been released pretty much by that statement you can tell they haven't played Final Fantasy VII Remake or understand what it is and what is happening.


Please stop saying this. Nobody in this thread appears to be taking this view, so I really don't understand why you feel the need to keep referring to it. Yes, you may have seen people somewhere say this, but they aren't in this conversation so perhaps try and actually engage with the people you're talking to. It's irrelevant, ignorant and implies that you simply aren't paying attention, or that you just assume you will 'win' by bludgeoning us into submission.

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Sephiroth time travels after the events of Dirge of Cerberus and saves Zac and causes other things to change. With Sephiroth time traveling from the far future he also enlists Cloud and the party to change the time line. Even Aerith who informs the party of the Planet understanding that Sephiroth is a threat that must be defeated the time line that Sephiroth is trying to change must also change because that future the planet agrees is undesirable. (This is all shown at the near end of Final Fantasy VII Remake including Zac being saved where he was supposed to die

The timeline Sephiroth comes from this has all happened already.

The Ghosts in Final Fantasy VII: Remake always try to make sure events stay the same if something tries to alter the timeline the ghosts appear and attack and try to make sure everything happens as it previously had happened such as saving Barretts life after Sephiroth stabs him in President Shinra's office

But since Zac life was saved years prior more has changed in the world.

Also you will battle Future Cloud, Future Tifa, and Future Barrett in Ghost form near the end of the game. Also Red as well as the entire party will see cutscenes from Final Fantasy VII of things that have happened in the future.


Look, I get that you think this is fact. But it isn't. It's a theory. It's a theory that is a possible interpretation of what we see happen in FFVIIR, especially at the end. But what I have repeatedly asked you for is an explanation of why you feel this theory is correct. I ask because your (or rather, somebody else's that you're mindlessly repeating) theory makes several assumptions that I cannot see the justification for. I did, however, ask you if you could help to explain so that I can see if I'm missing something and possibly decide if the theory is more convincing.

Unfortunately, you don't seem to have any interest in helping me do that; which seems a little perverse, since you're so hell bent on asserting that you're right and everybody else is an idiot.

As such, I'm left with the holes in your theory and no support from you to patch over them. So here, explain these:

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Sephiroth time travels after the events of Dirge of Cerberus


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Where's the evidence that anybody time travels? There's no indication in DoC that Sephiroth is anything other than still just a sentient consciousness in the lifestream. He may be more powerful (undetermined), but there's nothing to suggest any ability to time travel.


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and saves Zac


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I don't recall there being any indication that Sephiroth saves Zack specifically, but even if this is true, it forces a larger question. For your theory to stand up, saving Zack has to have already happened before anything we play in FFVIIR, and yet somehow we still play a game where Cloud has taken Zack's memory, hairstyle, uniform, and most impportantly SWORD. We also play a game where Zack never came back to Aerith (which in all likelihood he would have had he survived).


It just doesn't stack up, and you offer nothing to explain this flaw. It's clear that something weird is going on with the ending and it does create a lot of questions for how FFVII and FFVIIR relate to each other, but your theory does not answer them.

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Also you will battle Future Cloud, Future Tifa, and Future Barrett in Ghost form near the end of the game


Again, where is your evidence for this? It's just an assumption. Yes, I know what you're referring to here -
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the whispers Rubrum, Viridi, and Croceo in one of the final battles
- but there is no evidence that I am aware of which confirms it to be true. Actually, there is evidence which implies it is untrue, because
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the fighting styles of these three whispers mirror those of Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo from Advent Children.


So yeah, for the last time, please either provide some NEW information to support your theories, or please stop repeating them and expecting us to swallow it.

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I borrowed the game from a friend and truth be told, I put it down and walked away. Game related trauma aside (I was around some really REAALY bad people) VII just never resonated with me. Which is really odd because it fits into the bizarre niche genres that I go towards.

While I do like seeing Cloud and Tifa characterized better, the overwhelming stereotyping of other characters was painful and entirely a turn off. The combat system is great and I have no complaints about it, so good on them. For me the nail in the coffin, so to speak, was the seemingly endless bits of new content that felt like badly written fanfiction. To be frank, I liked Advent Children for all of three watches and subsequent games had me gritting my teeth until it became unbearable. Some characters feel like sorry attempts at anime tropes and others feel like blatant rips of anime characters reskinned. I dis not pick this up to suddenly be playing a weird amalgamation of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and the endless stream of shonen anime that is popular right now. I understand that it is probably a large influence, but come on...I can't take take this game seriously.

All of this combined with an incredibly toxic fanbase that's been around since the base game came out (I admit that being a convention goer and a tiktok user makes this a bigger deal for me than others) has just turned me off the story as a whole. And now with Cloud and Sephiroth in Smash, I'm just done with VII entirely. I'll keep the few good fans I know close to me, but I no longer have any interest in this game. I'm really disappointed in you Square Enix.

And before I leave: I really don't judge anyone for liking it, it really is a fun system and has a lot of good things in it. This is not an attempt at an attack and I am cheering you all on as you continue to love the story.

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Quote (Stiltzkin @ 28th December 2020 14:05)
Oookay. I don't know why I'm bothering, but here goes.

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Have you read the spoilers I posted above?


Yes

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Or beaten Final Fantasy VII?


Also Yes. If you'd read my post you would have seen that I did say I have played, read, and/or watched most of the Compendium. Before you start, I've also finished FFVIIR.

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At this point I tried with the spoilers but that didn't work so I'll just have to come out with it.


You're an ass.

Just because you repeat the same sentences over and over in a louder voice (removing spoiler tags) doesn't mean your argument is any clearer, any smarter, or makes any more sense.

Put your post back in spoiler tags and stop being a douche.

Quote (His Shadow @ 28th December 2020 18:41)
The people who are still saying they are waiting to buy Final Fantasy VII Remake until the 'full game' has been released pretty much by that statement you can tell they haven't played Final Fantasy VII Remake or understand what it is and what is happening.


Please stop saying this. Nobody in this thread appears to be taking this view, so I really don't understand why you feel the need to keep referring to it. Yes, you may have seen people somewhere say this, but they aren't in this conversation so perhaps try and actually engage with the people you're talking to. It's irrelevant, ignorant and implies that you simply aren't paying attention, or that you just assume you will 'win' by bludgeoning us into submission.

Quote (His Shadow @ 28th December 2020 18:41)
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Sephiroth time travels after the events of Dirge of Cerberus and saves Zac and causes other things to change. With Sephiroth time traveling from the far future he also enlists Cloud and the party to change the time line. Even Aerith who informs the party of the Planet understanding that Sephiroth is a threat that must be defeated the time line that Sephiroth is trying to change must also change because that future the planet agrees is undesirable. (This is all shown at the near end of Final Fantasy VII Remake including Zac being saved where he was supposed to die

The timeline Sephiroth comes from this has all happened already.

The Ghosts in Final Fantasy VII: Remake always try to make sure events stay the same if something tries to alter the timeline the ghosts appear and attack and try to make sure everything happens as it previously had happened such as saving Barretts life after Sephiroth stabs him in President Shinra's office

But since Zac life was saved years prior more has changed in the world.

Also you will battle Future Cloud, Future Tifa, and Future Barrett in Ghost form near the end of the game. Also Red as well as the entire party will see cutscenes from Final Fantasy VII of things that have happened in the future.


Look, I get that you think this is fact. But it isn't. It's a theory. It's a theory that is a possible interpretation of what we see happen in FFVIIR, especially at the end. But what I have repeatedly asked you for is an explanation of why you feel this theory is correct. I ask because your (or rather, somebody else's that you're mindlessly repeating) theory makes several assumptions that I cannot see the justification for. I did, however, ask you if you could help to explain so that I can see if I'm missing something and possibly decide if the theory is more convincing.

Unfortunately, you don't seem to have any interest in helping me do that; which seems a little perverse, since you're so hell bent on asserting that you're right and everybody else is an idiot.

As such, I'm left with the holes in your theory and no support from you to patch over them. So here, explain these:

Quote (His Shadow @ 28th December 2020 18:41)
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Sephiroth time travels after the events of Dirge of Cerberus


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Where's the evidence that anybody time travels? There's no indication in DoC that Sephiroth is anything other than still just a sentient consciousness in the lifestream. He may be more powerful (undetermined), but there's nothing to suggest any ability to time travel.


Quote (His Shadow @ 28th December 2020 18:41)
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and saves Zac


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I don't recall there being any indication that Sephiroth saves Zack specifically, but even if this is true, it forces a larger question. For your theory to stand up, saving Zack has to have already happened before anything we play in FFVIIR, and yet somehow we still play a game where Cloud has taken Zack's memory, hairstyle, uniform, and most impportantly SWORD. We also play a game where Zack never came back to Aerith (which in all likelihood he would have had he survived).


It just doesn't stack up, and you offer nothing to explain this flaw. It's clear that something weird is going on with the ending and it does create a lot of questions for how FFVII and FFVIIR relate to each other, but your theory does not answer them.

Quote (His Shadow @ 28th December 2020 18:41)
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Also you will battle Future Cloud, Future Tifa, and Future Barrett in Ghost form near the end of the game


Again, where is your evidence for this? It's just an assumption. Yes, I know what you're referring to here -
Possible spoilers: highlight to view
the whispers Rubrum, Viridi, and Croceo in one of the final battles
- but there is no evidence that I am aware of which confirms it to be true. Actually, there is evidence which implies it is untrue, because
Possible spoilers: highlight to view
the fighting styles of these three whispers mirror those of Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo from Advent Children.


So yeah, for the last time, please either provide some NEW information to support your theories, or please stop repeating them and expecting us to swallow it.

Well if we are going to be using insults and names directed at users I am not going to respond. I would use the block option if that was enabled.

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Oookay. I don't know why I'm bothering, but here goes.

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Have you read the spoilers I posted above?


Yes

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Or beaten Final Fantasy VII?


Also Yes. If you'd read my post you would have seen that I did say I have played, read, and/or watched most of the Compendium. Before you start, I've also finished FFVIIR.

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At this point I tried with the spoilers but that didn't work so I'll just have to come out with it.


You're an ass.

Just because you repeat the same sentences over and over in a louder voice (removing spoiler tags) doesn't mean your argument is any clearer, any smarter, or makes any more sense.

Put your post back in spoiler tags and stop being a douche.

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The people who are still saying they are waiting to buy Final Fantasy VII Remake until the 'full game' has been released pretty much by that statement you can tell they haven't played Final Fantasy VII Remake or understand what it is and what is happening.


Please stop saying this. Nobody in this thread appears to be taking this view, so I really don't understand why you feel the need to keep referring to it. Yes, you may have seen people somewhere say this, but they aren't in this conversation so perhaps try and actually engage with the people you're talking to. It's irrelevant, ignorant and implies that you simply aren't paying attention, or that you just assume you will 'win' by bludgeoning us into submission.

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Sephiroth time travels after the events of Dirge of Cerberus and saves Zac and causes other things to change. With Sephiroth time traveling from the far future he also enlists Cloud and the party to change the time line. Even Aerith who informs the party of the Planet understanding that Sephiroth is a threat that must be defeated the time line that Sephiroth is trying to change must also change because that future the planet agrees is undesirable. (This is all shown at the near end of Final Fantasy VII Remake including Zac being saved where he was supposed to die

The timeline Sephiroth comes from this has all happened already.

The Ghosts in Final Fantasy VII: Remake always try to make sure events stay the same if something tries to alter the timeline the ghosts appear and attack and try to make sure everything happens as it previously had happened such as saving Barretts life after Sephiroth stabs him in President Shinra's office

But since Zac life was saved years prior more has changed in the world.

Also you will battle Future Cloud, Future Tifa, and Future Barrett in Ghost form near the end of the game. Also Red as well as the entire party will see cutscenes from Final Fantasy VII of things that have happened in the future.


Look, I get that you think this is fact. But it isn't. It's a theory. It's a theory that is a possible interpretation of what we see happen in FFVIIR, especially at the end. But what I have repeatedly asked you for is an explanation of why you feel this theory is correct. I ask because your (or rather, somebody else's that you're mindlessly repeating) theory makes several assumptions that I cannot see the justification for. I did, however, ask you if you could help to explain so that I can see if I'm missing something and possibly decide if the theory is more convincing.

Unfortunately, you don't seem to have any interest in helping me do that; which seems a little perverse, since you're so hell bent on asserting that you're right and everybody else is an idiot.

As such, I'm left with the holes in your theory and no support from you to patch over them. So here, explain these:

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Sephiroth time travels after the events of Dirge of Cerberus


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Where's the evidence that anybody time travels? There's no indication in DoC that Sephiroth is anything other than still just a sentient consciousness in the lifestream. He may be more powerful (undetermined), but there's nothing to suggest any ability to time travel.


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and saves Zac


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I don't recall there being any indication that Sephiroth saves Zack specifically, but even if this is true, it forces a larger question. For your theory to stand up, saving Zack has to have already happened before anything we play in FFVIIR, and yet somehow we still play a game where Cloud has taken Zack's memory, hairstyle, uniform, and most impportantly SWORD. We also play a game where Zack never came back to Aerith (which in all likelihood he would have had he survived).


It just doesn't stack up, and you offer nothing to explain this flaw. It's clear that something weird is going on with the ending and it does create a lot of questions for how FFVII and FFVIIR relate to each other, but your theory does not answer them.

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Also you will battle Future Cloud, Future Tifa, and Future Barrett in Ghost form near the end of the game


Again, where is your evidence for this? It's just an assumption. Yes, I know what you're referring to here -
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the whispers Rubrum, Viridi, and Croceo in one of the final battles
- but there is no evidence that I am aware of which confirms it to be true. Actually, there is evidence which implies it is untrue, because
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the fighting styles of these three whispers mirror those of Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo from Advent Children.


So yeah, for the last time, please either provide some NEW information to support your theories, or please stop repeating them and expecting us to swallow it.

Well if we are going to be using insults and names directed at users I am not going to respond. I would use the block option if that was enabled.


I dunno his shadow does come off a bit condescending.

I mean i didn't beat the prequel to ff7 nor did i watch the movie but the game has stuff.

I'm judging by the 2 games of ff7 i played:

FF7 original beat it multiple times just to prove to fanboys/fangirls that i played it and disliked cloud and sephy as characters.

Played crisis core but didn't beat it, put it down and eventually psp broke so couldn't play no more.

I'm right now in the area where you dress up like a girl on cloud strife.

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I'm pretty sure the idea that FF7R is a sequel is a crackpot "theory".

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Careful GMH, you should never tell a crackpot they are a crackpot - it upsets them.

... and then they won't reply.

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