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When you're in 12,000 BC, when Crono dies, what is it you do that causes the Black Omen to rise? It didn't rise in the timeline that existed before you interfered...

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If I recall correctly, you're supposed to revive him at Death Peak (located in 2300 AD, next to the Keeper's Dome). But first you have to return to the Millennial Fair (in 1000 AD), go to Bekkler's Tent of Horrors and play a 40 point game. If you beat that mini game, you'll receive a "Crono clone", which will be at his house once you're done playing the game.

Go over to his house, talk to his mother, then take the clone and go to the Keeper's Dome in 2300 AD. Talk to a Nu there so he will get you started with climbing Death Peak. Once you go through the maze, you'll go back in time in 12,000 BC when Lavos was about to eliminate Crono.

You can then replace him with the clone and once you do that, you're back in the End of Time. Now you can have Crono on your team if you want to (you can replace him this time).

So if you do all this, the Black Omen will be available (I think). Just fly over to Melchior's Hut in 1000 AD.

I think he's actually asking why the Black Omen rises and not how to revive Crono.

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I was wondering that myself just the other day when I decided to play through Chrono Trigger again. I think it has to do with the prophet. He was responsible for most of the changes in that era. In a later flashback he has, you will notice that things originally happened in a different way. Such as the three guru's being present at the time when the mammon machine was activated.

Quote (Zero_Hawk @ 12th May 2007 13:53)

I think he's actually asking why the Black Omen rises and not how to revive Crono.

Yep.

And wouldn't the gurus and Janus have to be there "the second time" and still go through the warp? Otherwise the timeline would change...there'd be no Magus, no Melchior to fix your Masamune, no Gaspar to guide you, no Belthasar to give you the Epoch...

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I always figured Janus and the bunch just showed up later. I mean, I sort of figured Melchior gathered the troops and marched off.

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I thought it had to do with the underground Ocean Palace being destroyed, wasn't it?



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Chrono Compendium made detailed timelines for both plots before and after the intervention of Crono et al.:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Lavos_Timeline.html <-- the timeline before the events of Chrono Trigger changed history.

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Keystone_T-1.html <-- the revised timeline after the events of Chrono Trigger (plus some other things from either RD or CC that I really don't care about)

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Mine does the same too. I read that if you use the save file .dat from the unpatched rom with the patched rom it should work. But I didnt for me. Can anyone help?

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My first thought is that the big changes in 12,000 start with Crono breaking the Mamon Machine with the Ruby Knife. But unanswerable questions follow from that, since we don't know how the Ruby Knife became the Masamune in the old timeline. If we assume that interaction between the knife and the machine is always what creates the Masamune, then the machine always breaks. In that case we fall back on Magus. The idea that the Black Omen exists because Lavos/Zeal is pissed at Magus amuses me.

The Chrono Compendium offers the explanation that Schala is the difference. If we assume that originally she warped herself and the Queen to saftey in the Ocean Palace disaster, by saving Crono and the others she leaves herself and the Queen open to Lavos' influence in a way that they hadn't previously been. This is a very tidy explanation.

It also occurs to me that on a overall scenario level the appearence of the Black Omen could be interpreted as a sort of cosmic balancing of the scales. If the world (Entity) has an agent that is virtually in all places at all times (Crono) then Lavos must also have one (Zeal/Omen). If this concept wasn't massively expanded upon in Chrono Cross I doubt it would've crossed my mind.

This post has been edited by Shiva Indis on 30th September 2009 19:42

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