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Posted by: Magitek_slayer 5th October 2015 17:57
Are all of you older folks here really still interested in the ff series, and how so? It seems like the older one gets, the less interested in the new ones I become due to how young and childish characters become.

Seems like a lot of us are pretty ancient.I just saw one person on this forum which age indicated 41, another in their 50s, unless they are lying about their age, and aren't really that old.

As one becomes older, it also becomes harder to relate to the younger audience because of how much has changed, and how little one has in common with the newer audience.

Anyone getting this vibe?

Posted by: Rangers51 5th October 2015 19:21
I'm a little older than you according to your profile, and I'm just fine with the newer FFs. The 13 series has been the most fun I personally have had with a Final Fantasy since the first time I played Tactics.

You just can't draw global conclusions based on anecdotes. I can speak for myself insomuch that I enjoyed 13 and am looking forward to getting a crack at Type-0 and XV, and I have several friends of my general age who feel the same, but that doesn't make it absolute.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 5th October 2015 20:46
You are only a few months older, and it's barely noticeable experience.We just have different outlooks on things.I wasn't suggesting it being the games fault.

I have also seen some state that once they were in their 20s or more, that they didn't relate to teens anymore because they were at that age, and it was cool then, but now they see it as childish.

Not saying it's the games fault, but rather that we have matured and changed.


Posted by: chevleclair 5th October 2015 21:14
What has changed for me from the older to the newer Final Fantasy games is the cut scene heavy aspects of the games. For me, 13 was less a video game than a FMV with video game elements to it. This is fine for some people, but for me, I just want to play. I want to add my own personality to the character rather than being forced to watch personalities develop on their own.

Forgive me for the somewhat adult nature to this analogy, but for me, the difference is a swimsuit issue for a sports magazine versus a nude spread. One leaves something to the imagination, the other leaves nothing,.

I'm being told how to act, what to think, where to go, etc. Every scene is the same, every reaction is the same. There's no avoiding it. This is often fine for one playthrough, but the story had better be stellar, or you'll never catch me picking up the game ever again.

For me, for a myriad of reasons, the later FF games tend to have subpar storytelling, and that drives me away from showing enthusiasm for any subsequent games.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 5th October 2015 21:42
Good post and thanks for posting.I encourage more to post and tell me their feelings about this topic.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 5th October 2015 23:05
I, too, don't like how newer games in general -- and the Final Fantasy games aren't exactly an exception to this -- have put much more emphasis on looking like movies.

At least for me these days I feel that I'm used to certain control schemes and interface schemes and it just feels more inviting to toy with and then subsequently get into a game that has one of those more traditionally "gamey" interfaces rather than to pick up what I have marked in my mind as an 80-hour blockbuster if only I can get through all the cutscenes.

That, and the price tags on some of these more recent games don't help. Sure, the older games were priced comparably in nominal price and perhaps even more expensive in real price (i.e. adjusting for inflation), but (1) those are sunk costs, and (2) they were either paid by parents or other family members or they were never paid and people emulated the games, so we never felt that pain ourselves either way.


Posted by: Spooniest 6th October 2015 00:11
From Final Fantasy I-VI, the progression of the series was smooth and flowing. Everything became streamlined beautifully in IV with the ATB system. It was a testament to form and function existing harmoniously with each other.

V and VI kept the ATB system, but each consecutively sped it up a bit. The focus was on making things faster, more streamlined, and simpler to get into.

Then along comes VII with it's super-long battle animations and plodding storyline (however good, in my opinion it's paced horribly). It wasn't, at its heart, a much different game from VI, retaining a similar look and feel and frankly, color palette. The depth of the shades possible were greater, but the same types of colors are used, browns and greens for the enemy, blues and reds for the heroes.

VII slowed the game down in favor of making it more cinematic, and it's truthfully quite an epic experience. But one has to wonder how far that particular type of game can be taken before it becomes expected that the typical "trappings" of the medium start to show.

If they made a game like Final Fantasy VI again, and focused on making the gameplay and storyline both properly paced, then that'd be something to talk about, in my opinion.

But they seem intent on running the "FFVII" archetype into the ground, because that's what they're hearing that fans want.

Fans can be really irrational about things when they have rose-tinted memories of this story being their introduction to FF, and who can blame them? It's an achingly beautiful narrative, but it doesn't have the legs FFVI did. But they'd never know that.

The problem is that there are more people who owned a Playstation without first having owned a Super NES, and played FFVII first, on their first game system. There are a lot of them. Like, a lot of these people. Like, a whole lot of them. 3 million of them or something. What were the launch quarter figures like for FFVII? I don't remember, and don't feel like looking it up. But there are a lot of Final Fantasy VII fans, and to wit: they ain't wrong. It's a really good game.

It just doesn't have the tight, consistent design and speed of the Super NES games. I, for one, favor speed and tight, consistent design over theatrics and emotionality, but I am in the minority, I believe.

Posted by: Shotgunnova 6th October 2015 11:38
My interest in the series definitely cooled off at some point, probably around FFXII's heyday. All the spinoffs and such didn't exactly pique my interest either. Hell, FFXV wasn't even a blip on my radar until I saw the Ramuh video -- now that was an instant about-face. Might even pick up the FF7 Remake after a bit more info's released (never was my favorite, but the project ain't lacking for potential).

PS: I wasn't actually born in 1907. Probably.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 6th October 2015 14:19
Hi shotgunnova thanks for posting.

I liked saga series on ds, and the ff4 remake and the chrono trigger version.Those aren't new, but it's still good.

I would like to say too:I know it isn't the game itself, but me who changed.I still don't like shooters, and won't play them.I might look into ff type zero and XII, as long as the characters aren't annoying.I think I even grew to like real time combat more.Playing secret of evermore, and other games where enemies appear on the map was a good idea.Sometimes random encounters are invasive, and it feels like someone is covering your eyes for 3 minutes and say Nyah Nyah, random encounter every 2 steps.Those are the ones which really annoy me.I think that lost odyssey is an exception, since I like it quit a bit.I also like the idea of creating scripts to make characters do things in combat in real time.

Maybe ff type 0 will be good, who knows.Is that the one of the guy in the car by the way?

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 6th October 2015 18:55
Quote (Shotgunnova @ 6th October 2015 06:38)
My interest in the series definitely cooled off at some point, probably around FFXII's heyday. All the spinoffs and such didn't exactly pique my interest either. Hell, FFXV wasn't even a blip on my radar until I saw the Ramuh video -- now that was an instant about-face. Might even pick up the FF7 Remake after a bit more info's released (never was my favorite, but the project ain't lacking for potential).

PS: I wasn't actually born in 1907. Probably.

Ironically I actually feel somewhat more interested in FFXII and FFXIII than FFX.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 7th October 2015 08:19
And what can you tell me about why you are disinterested in FFX

Posted by: Dynamic Threads 7th October 2015 22:47
My biggest limitation to my interest in the FF series right now is money. I never had to money to afford the next gen consoles or games for that matter and my interest in FF took a serious hit after I played that pile of trash FFXII. Literally every single character in that game pissed me off and it was just not fun or engaging.

But now that I think of it, I've had my PS3 for a few years now and haven't even picked up FFX/X-2 HD collection even though I loved both, especially FFX. All I heard about FFXIII was that it sucked so I never even bothered and theres what like, 3 of them? Great on them for having a Female protagonist game or two again finally, though.

But what R51 said about them has now interested me, as well as what GMH had to say, even though they have opposite opinions of the game. I LOVED MGS4. And that was essentially a movie that let you play commando in between scenes (and honestly, most of the series is long-winded cut-scenes and dialogue). So FFXIII being more cinematic wouldn't really bother me.

But I go back and play the old ones all the time. Since I first played FFVIII, I have played through it at least once a year and that game came out in what 1998? [ Jesus...Can't believe FFVII and FFVIII are almost 20 years old. ] I also played FFVII again not too long ago, started a new FFIIIj, FFIV and FFVI game within the past few months too. And I binge on FFT about once a year too.

And while the FFVII remake has piked my interest, FFXV hasn't and I absolutely loathe the main character's look, which has never been an issue with the past games for me.

If I get next-gen again, I'll pick up FFXIV and the FFVII remake at some point if I can.

I do have a 3DS now though and I briefly played Bravely Default, which was a super-cute game with a battle system that I found to be a fresh take, even though it isn't a true FF it of course is along the lines of FF.


Posted by: Magitek_slayer 8th October 2015 15:09
What do you like more? FFX or FFX-2?

I heard good things about FFX2, like the job system, but I heard it has blatant fanservice.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 9th October 2015 20:06
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 7th October 2015 03:19)
And what can you tell me about why you are disinterested in FFX

Nothing about it really inspires me to want to play it.

The story sounds like some standard convoluted fantasy story.

The artwork is probably decent, but the presentation seems to be the awfully cinematic style that's been the standard for console RPGs for the past decade or so, a style that I don't like, because it actually makes me feel less immersed. Also there's the character designs...which I can criticize in two words: Lulu's belts.

The gameplay is turn-based random battles. So you are running through these lushly designed 3D environments just to be stopped randomly, with no visual pre-indication whatsoever, only to be thrown into a random battle. And then the animations take too long. Heck, even the battle swirl takes too long.

The one thing that has potentially interested me is the music, and I haven't run across enough music that I've fallen in love with to make me want to play the game.

It's probably not a bad game. But I don't feel I have a reason to go and play it.



(Also, you want "uninterested"; "disinterested" means "fair and with no bias or special interests".)

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 10th October 2015 11:52
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 9th October 2015 20:06)
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 7th October 2015 03:19)
And what can you tell me about why you are disinterested in FFX

Nothing about it really inspires me to want to play it.

The story sounds like some standard convoluted fantasy story.

The artwork is probably decent, but the presentation seems to be the awfully cinematic style that's been the standard for console RPGs for the past decade or so, a style that I don't like, because it actually makes me feel less immersed. Also there's the character designs...which I can criticize in two words: Lulu's belts.

The gameplay is turn-based random battles. So you are running through these lushly designed 3D environments just to be stopped randomly, with no visual pre-indication whatsoever, only to be thrown into a random battle. And then the animations take too long. Heck, even the battle swirl takes too long.

The one thing that has potentially interested me is the music, and I haven't run across enough music that I've fallen in love with to make me want to play the game.

It's probably not a bad game. But I don't feel I have a reason to go and play it.



(Also, you want "uninterested"; "disinterested" means "fair and with no bias or special interests".)

Talking about artwork:The enemies are cheap color palette swaps, being the same enemies over and over. Only the extra dungeon changes.

I don't remember ever being impressed with The background though.

Some ideas of the stories was interesting.I like the idea of how people deal with massacres from sin.It would be like going to the Philippines or one of those coastal areas, and witnessing a tsunami and the effect and devastation and misery it causes, and they do give you an idea that the people are suffering.Its just that a few characters rikku Wakka, lulu and especially kimahri, are token characters.Tidus aside from the thing where he hates his father, is not too interesting.I do like jecht though, yuna, auron and yunas father.
We see more about jecht in personality than tidus.For instance:Jecht was in prison and after he became a bodyguard to braska, he was noticeably more noble to the cause and willing to sacrifice.He loved Tidus, but wanted him to be tougher.Jecht is more of your typical father who wants their son to be a famous football player or something.

Some of the cutscenes are ok, but some feel wasted due team seeing like they are thrown at us after a long drawn out cutscene with talking.I admit, I felt legitimately sad when jecht died, and I didn't react this way when Tidus disappeared.

Posted by: St Khael 11th October 2015 01:36
I actually went out and picked up a copy of 10 today. I've never played it due to its numerous rabid fans shying me away from it, but I'm going to give it a chance. Years late and an odd reason for not playing, I know, but we all have our oddities. So far it's been interesting enough, though the lack of facial expressions for the most part is disturbing. Limits of the system, I suppose. I guess my unpopular opinion about it so far is that I really don't like Lulu as a character. I know she's a favorite in the 10 fan community, outside of being a sex-symbol, but I just don't like her personality. Hopefully this will change soon and I'll end up enjoying the game in its entirety.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 11th October 2015 10:30
Don't worry I don't like her much either.

For some reason, tuna jecht and yunas father are the only ones I truly liked.

Posted by: His Shadow 13th October 2015 10:41
My post might seem offensive but bare with me.

The issue of the Final Fantasy Series not catching on with older and younger crowds is not they've completely moved on but rather the series has been hijacked by mulitple failed Games Developers who couldn't start their own game series or they have and it tanked so what they started during around the year 2001 was they took over major franchises and coverted them into their own failed gaming franchise.

I've often modeled FF12's director as Heart-Attack Man after The Stand's Trashcan man. Heart Attack Man did make a good game once which was Final Fantasy Tactics but when he got his hands on the actual numbered series his own team bullied and caused huge amounts of problems for the remaining Final Fantasy Staff and created an us vs them mentality. He also decided to make ff12 all about him and his creation and announced his world of his past games are all connected. They highly good reviewed Vagrant Story was loved by the critics but had underwhelming sales numbers as most normal people had issues with the difficulty of Vagrant Story.

Zipperman was next his own vanity helped sink the series even further with his boring action centric game based on his own universe. Also he spent a half a decade trying to convince us without suceeding Lightening was the second coming.

To put it simply Square or rather Japan allowed really bad Japanese Directors to keep directing and running long standing franchises into the ground. Also before the year 2000 Western RPGs we're often ignored as they were action focused and forced a 1st person prospective. As Japan kept producing inferior products the west started focusing on what customers really want.

15 years later the West... Bioware most famously helms of major franchises have been changed with directors not focusing on what customers want but rather to push a social agenda.

Japan is changing again TANKA the horrible known for the horrid FF11 and the original FF14 was given the office with the window and no work so he could quit.

The other FF14 head who believed you should pay 15 monthly and get penalized for playing more than a couple hours a day, fired.

Zipperman officially kicked off ff15

Heart Attack Man no one trusts him anymore and has announced he never meant for his special world to be connected with ff12! He tried to kickstart a game using his 'gaming series' that failed as well

Even that guy who ran Square based on a fortune tellers tellings is out.

It's not because we are getting older it's because Square or rather Japan have put out crap games for 15 years. It used to be there was tons of Final Fantasy fansites the amount was crazy but it wasn't until the underwhelming ff12 came out this trend stopped and people stopped flooding into Final Fantasy sites.

Posted by: Dynamic Threads 13th October 2015 21:05
Quote (His Shadow @ 13th October 2015 05:41)
My post might seem offensive but bare with me.


It's not because we are getting older it's because Square or rather Japan have put out crap games for 15 years. 



TL;DR version

But seriously this just about nails it.

Posted by: Rangers51 7th October 2016 22:01
Quote (His Shadow @ 13th October 2015 04:41)
It used to be there was tons of Final Fantasy fansites the amount was crazy but it wasn't until the underwhelming ff12 came out this trend stopped and people stopped flooding into Final Fantasy sites.

As someone who still runs one of those things, Final Fantasy XII was not the reason there aren't new ones any more.

Beyond that, I don't have much to add beyond my brief first post. I'd be interested to see how XV sells among different age groups, but I doubt we'll ever find out. I know more gamers in my age group who enjoyed the 13 series, and who are planning to buy XV, than those who did not, but naturally that means absolutely nothing other than the fact that I have a couple friends.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 9th October 2016 14:46
I thought some people liked FFXII?

Posted by: Narratorway 10th October 2016 18:27
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Yeah, I've pretty much been outta the series entire since...well VII honestly. IX was this brief respite from VIII and the true bollocks to come. XII almost got me back in, because instead of being standard animoo trash, the characters were just normal trash, which...y'know...baby steps. But then XIII doubled backed down hard on pink hair and lesbian incest mech bikes and while I can certainly be entertained by those concepts, I can't take it seriously let alone be invested in the resulting drama.

To put in more concise terms, I stopped caring about Final Fantasy once it was given to this man:

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The game's prior were no less derivative, but they were derivative of tropes I have more respect for. And let's be honest, nostalgia probably plays a factor as well.

Posted by: TrueBOSS 17th October 2016 04:19
His Shadow has nailed it on the head. I've given Squares more recent games honest chances and I don't dislike any of them but I certainly don't love any of them either.

I cared about Vaan for about the first hour of 12 but after that the plot got meh.
However, 3 things about that game pulled me in and made me want to keep playing:
1) The Bestiary: The option to complete this if you want to to learn more about the monsters and lore of the world was a fantastic idea and I wish this would have stayed around in future games.
2) Obtaining the Espers. Each Esper's appearance, their music, the fight. These guys demanded my respect and got it. I didn't like actually using them but the thrill I got from their Boss fights made me want more.
3) Similar to 2. I loved the hunts (marks or whatever you want to call them). There where some boring ones but there where some good ones. (GILGAMESH!!!!)

As for 13. I never ever cared about the plot nor most of the characters. I did like Saz and I suppose I kinda liked or at least didn't dislike Snow and Fang but gosh dang it did I think Lightning and Vaniel where annoying in the beginning and I freaking hated Hope. The early game sucked after the little woo I felt from the beginning wore off and I despise how the Eidolon fights devolved into the ridiculous bs fights that you got. The mid to late game had a couple interesting boss fights but sucked as well.
The end game is where all my fond memories of this game came in:
Screwing around on grand pulse doing cieth stone missions.
Getting good at wrecking Long Gui.
Fighting the Undying.
And the fight with Atticus (he was so fun to fight I gave him his own line. This boss fight was my favorite fight of this game. I WOULD play this again just to fight this guy)
Atticus is literally the only thing that makes me ever want to play 13 again.
The way they've handled the 13 universe never interested me to the point that seeing my bro and buddy both play 13-2 and 13-3 actually made me not want to play them. The plots are just kinda weird and uninteresting and I give little to no craps for the characters that the game focuses on now.

(I'm not including games Square has their name on just because they are the publishers over the developers that make them like Tomb Raider, Thief, and Deux Ex this because I feel square lets the developers that make those games still do their thing, they just publish the games and that is it which does NOT make them a game Square Enix made)

I am holding out for that game that woo's me and makes me not want to put it down from them again. Unfortunatly, it's looking as if Square is only good for publishing games nowadays. I'll cross my fingers for 15 but, if that fails, I'm betting it'll be awhile before that happens.

If anyones curious. The last games I played recently (within the last 2 years) that woo'd me and I could not stop playing where:
The Last of Us (Or just about any Naughty Dog game really)
Tales of Graces f
Tales of Xillia
Terraria
Stardew Valley

Posted by: Spooniest 17th October 2016 04:58
Ok, I'll bite. I'm 35 this month, and I guess that qualifies me as an early adopter, because I've been playing FF since the first one hit stateside.

The answer is no. I am no longer interested in Final Fantasy. The development of the games has skewed away from constructing decent stories (Something the original 9 games actually never did master, in my opinion) into creating sex icons out of its characters (not a huge problem, I guess, but not true to the series' roots) and becoming a matter of "all flash, no substance" (a huge problem).

The 10+ year dev cycle for FF15 is a symptom of this huge problem. You cannot tell me it has taken 10 years (since FFXIII Versus started development, and then transformed into 15) to make sure that this story is satisfying and well-produced and executed by the director/cast/crew. That kind of thing does not take 10 years.

I fully expect that the 10 years have been spent squeezing more and more graphical power out of the hardware that was currently being worked on/converting the graphical assets to whatever new hardware they changed to. I'm assuming this was originally meant for an older-gen console than it is being released on, I might be wrong.

Anyway, spending 10 years getting the look of your game right? I do not think that is going to produce anything interesting, and it probably has had a detrimental effect on the other aspects of the game, the story, the gameplay. I feel that this is the end of the Final Fantasy era, because when a game has been in dev for this long, and spent this much money...I'm just going to call it, the game will never, ever, meet sales projections. It will fall well, well short.

No amount of hype in the world is going to save FF now, and I frankly just can't be bothered to care about it. I have a life, rent to pay, hours to work, and plenty of older and better-designed FF games to play. I'm really not even that interested in the FF7 remake, either, because that's likely going to take until I am 50.

Farewell to thee, Square Enix. We hardly knew ye.

Posted by: TrueBOSS 19th October 2016 18:15
Quote (Spooniest @ 16th October 2016 22:58)
The 10+ year dev cycle for FF15 is a symptom of this huge problem. You cannot tell me it has taken 10 years (since FFXIII Versus started development, and then transformed into 15) to make sure that this story is satisfying and well-produced and executed by the director/cast/crew. That kind of thing does not take 10 years.

This isn't exactly true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gsrVog3MQU

I think this game has a chance to be good but so did XIII. As I've said. I'm giving it a chance but I'm not holding my breath. I do REALLY hope to be blown away by this game but won't be surprised if I'm not.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 22nd October 2016 10:23
I hate to say this, but it started with ff7 having convoluted story in some parts and execution, then ff8.

FF8 is where it really got bad.
Then we get ff9 a good game with interesting vibrant fantasy colors.
Then FFX back to sci fi game with little fantasy.

See:Thing is, FFX was actually the worse of the first 10 but not worse than XIII.I can deal with 2 kinda sucking, because its the second ff and it is extremely old now.FF3 is also extremely old.

FFX on the other hand:

Using same music repeated just changd up a little, like to zanarkand guitar version.

Pastels of old monsters:I know ff4 did this, but ff4 is 25 years old now.Back then, they had limited room.Why does FFX not have new monsters? even FFXIII did a better job, even FF9.

Mini games:Not that bad except maybe dodging lightning not being too fun nor that butterfly game.Actually:I prefer ff7's golden saucer mini games over any of FFX's mini games.For that matter:the mini games shouldn't be important and less should be put in on the mini games and more should be put on the actual story and characters to make them more compelling.

Same story, or similar story over and over:

One problem i think final fantasy has:Is you have a lot of the same kind of boring trope characters.I personally don't think any FFX char was truly compelling.I don't find most FF8 characters compelling either.Most were for humorous moments, like selphie banging on the controls to turn off the power on disk 2 to stop the missle attack.

Square enix needs the guys from lost oddyssey again to make a compelling story and character, because at least seth and kaim are very much compelling, and it was kept simple, something some players are afraid of.What is wrong with simplicity? I would rather have a simple yet well executed story over a over complicated convoluted story.


It is all these reasons why i think american game designers are succeeding over japan.A lot of game designers aren't willing to change, like square enix and change is pivotal.

Second is because you have these young teens saving the world type plot always the same type of characters.Now it doesn't mean a young teen cannot be interesting, its just that we need something different from the other final fantasies to feel like we aren't just playing the same game over and over again.

Lastly:I agree with spoony of style over substance, but i believe it started with ff7.

Posted by: Kane 3rd August 2017 21:23
I haven't played through a new FF game since FFX, and there are a few reasons for that:

1) I'm significantly busier (between graduate school work and teaching responsibilities) now than I was when last I played.

2) Because I have an obsessive personality, I gave away my PS2 a decade ago to focus on getting my BA, and since I'm still super busy going for a PhD, I haven't bothered to reinvest in video game systems that I'd probably only use for a couple games that aren't about things I'm really interested in:

3) I'm not particularly interested in FF in a contemporary setting. I grew up on Dungeons & Dragons and FF (and still regularly play D&D), and FF doesn't really dive into those tropes anymore (let alone in interesting ways).*

*I know that the MMO-FF's actually do still traffic in those tropes, and I'm happy about that, but the aforementioned obsessive personality prevents me from diving into those.

Posted by: AltheaValara 3rd August 2017 21:46
I came late to the Final Fantasy franchise. I was in my late 20s when I played my first FF game, which was FFX. I loved it. I then went back and played all the other games in the main series. With the exception of XIV and XV, I've played them all, and intend to play those two once I have some money to spare.

My initial impression of XIII's trailer was not good, so I was pleasantly surprised when I ended up enjoying the game. It's got its flaws (there's a reason I call it "Corridor Fantasy") but on the most part it's pretty solid. I liked XIII-2 even more. I couldn't get into Lightning Returns, though, but I intend to give that another chance one of these days.

I'm currently playing Final Fantasy Brave Exvius, which I love to pieces. It is a bit derivative of other FF games - crystals to save, anyone? - but I really love the characters. Lasswell's my favorite, by far. wub.gif The characters are supposed to be pretty young, but I still find them relatable just fine.


Posted by: Elena99 19th August 2017 21:44
I still love Final Fantasy, and I'm 35. It's a comforting series, in a way. I have FF music on my ipod shuffle that I listen to at work. I recently played World of Final Fantasy, and before that, FFXV.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 21st August 2017 04:59
I should revisit FF sometime.

I haven't actually played an FF game in many, many years. FF4 I played around 2002-ish, FF6 around 2003, FF5 around 2004-2005, and FF7, FF3, and FFTA, and FF1 I played part of around that same time. I've seen FF: the Spirits Within twice, first time around then, once more a couple years ago or so.

I've also messed with FF Legend (which was technically my first or second exposure to an FF game, since a friend played it at school), FF Adventure, FFT, FF4a, and FF: the Four Heroes of Light. And a few years ago I finally bought a PS1 copy of FFT (specifically the first version, even, I think). And at some point I started playing i90east's FF6 hardtype hack.

Right now though the FF that's most on my radar FF13, since it's available for PC and on my Steam wishlist. But who knows when I'll get around to it.

For some reason, the other FF games don't really interest me much? I've heard praise for Bravely Default, and I was also early-on interested in FF15 thanks to a good trailer, though apparently it came out a bit meh?

Aside from starting with Super Mario RPG and also picking up Pok�mon, FF was the bulk of my introduction to the traditional JRPG genre (and I never quite got much into Dragon Quest either, for what it's worth), but it seems I've since moved onto other JRPGs. Falcom has sorta supplanted Squenix as my go-to place for a good JRPG (with traditional JRPG series Legend of Heroes / Trails and action JRPG series Ys), while Banpresto's/Flight-Plan's Summon Night series has piqued my interest a bit, and I'm starting to get into BaNamco's Tales franchise and Gust's Atelier franchise. I also played an assortment of other JRPGs, from the DS games Nostalgia and A Witch's Tale to the SFam fan-translated Energy Breaker to the SNES staples Earthbound and Lufia 2 to the now-quite-big-in-the-west Fire Emblem series to the PC games Eternal Senia and Millennium. Been playing Jeanne d'Arc too. I've picked up some assortment of things I plan on getting into, including the PC games Helen's Mysterious Castle, Demon King Chronicles, LiEat, and Rime Berta; and the fan-translated games Magical Vacation (Magical Starsign's predecessor), Eternal Filena, and Emerald Dragon. Probably the two most prominent JRPG franchises I basically haven't touched on so far are the SMT/Persona franchise and the Phantasy Star franchise.

So in short FF introduced me to JRPGs but then I went off and did my own thing rather than staying loyal to the FF franchise, for whatever reason.

Edit
Hey guess what: Today is i90east's birthday.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 21st August 2017 10:23
Some of the early games have massive flaws too.FF crystal chronicles has recieved loads of backlash obviously and ff legends isn't really a final fantasy, its from the saga series.

Even then:I don't think The old saga games would hold up today.They do have good points, but they are pretty dated by todays standards and the story is lackluster compared to modern ff games.Only reason someone might be interested in it today is because either:1 They were kids when it came out and played it and were nostalgic, or 2: just to see what its like because they played other games, in which they will notice the story is almost non existent in the original and the characters have no development.The second does fix part of the problem, but people today want flashy stuff and FF legends is far too old to be flashy, unless you play the remake, in which even then the graphics are like from 10-14 years old.


Posted by: ShaneT12 21st August 2017 14:11
Hi All -

New to the forums so I thought I'd share my experience.

Although I was a gamer at the time - never played FF6 when it first came to the US. Played a lot of DragonQuest when I was younger.

Currently in my first playthrough of FF6 (just reached Dragon's Den.. don't have much time to play nowadays so it takes me awhile).

Great game I must say!

Played both FFVII and FFX but never 8-9-12-13 (or any non main series versions)

I want to play them all - kinda.. still deciding on 8 with all the negatives I hear... and am debating whether playing 7 is worth it with the remake coming out eventually.. will probably still play it though...

I'm 30 years old now.. don't know how much I will enjoy the ones that I haven't playet yet.. but I'm committed to giving them a try!

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 21st August 2017 15:17
Yeah at this point I think I'm gonna wait for the FF7 remake if I do play it. I'm in no hurry to do so.

Also speak of the devil FFXV on PC: http://store.steampowered.com/app/637650/F...INDOWS_EDITION/

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 21st August 2017 18:15
I think when FF7 does come out its worth at least checking it out.I mean its one of the main series where the whole gang was together, and by whole gang i mean all the guys plus you had nobuo uematsu as the music composer.

As for ff8:its worth playing at least once.Not my favorite story but i like it more than FFX.I know thats kind of weird but i enjoyed how cheesy it is.

As for ff6:FF6 is a very old game from a different time.To me its a time classic but its clear that some people started with ff7 first so they are used to the flashy cutscenes.Because of that, all i can advise, is that you keep an open mind about older games and how simplistic they may be.


Posted by: ShaneT12 21st August 2017 19:12
I just finished getting past Kefka's tower in my first play through of FF6 - despite it being an aged game I find it to be a very good game with a great story!

Glad I got around to playing it - I assumed that not playing it previously would mean it wouldn't hold up to the test of time for me but that is just not the case!

Well I will gave FFVIII a try then if you say so!

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 21st August 2017 22:12
FF6 is my favorite in terms of character ark and development.I wasn't impressed with ff7 as much as i was with tactics, and that was because that game made me genuinely interested in the world and its history and the characters, and i found the gameplay engaging because of the difficulty and tactical approach.Personally I think its good to play a game.Its best you decide yourself if you like FF8 and its always good to play older games too because it gives you a view of what came before and what comes after.

Posted by: ShaneT12 21st August 2017 22:37
Reading the threads on here I do see quite a bit of love for FFT.. honestly was not even familiar with the game until recently.. debating if it is actually worth giving it a go on the mobile as I'm now a PC only user.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 22nd August 2017 13:39
I say go for war of the lyons, its worth it.

Also:Get chrono trigger which is also a classic.
If you like old style ff games i would suggest ff9 which is more fantasy than fiction which newer ff games are.

Posted by: ShaneT12 22nd August 2017 17:55
War of Lyons and Chrono Trigger got it!

I will give them both a try on the mobile apps!

and I do have FF9 in the que also!

When it comes to Squenix here is what I currently have left to play once I wrap up FF6:

FF7 (might skip and wait for remake) - Played previously
FF8
FF9
FF10 - Played previously
FF12
FF13

I haven't and don't have any plans to play the MMO versions as I just don't have the time for MMO's at the moment.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 26th August 2017 08:36
You won't play ff4 and ff5?

FF4 is even more popular than ff6 and actually got not only a faithful remake but a sequel that sucks, thats just how popular the original was.

FF5 got some ports and stuff and seems fairly popular.

If you play ff1 i advise to do the gameboy advance one, since its got nicer graphics music etc.

I mean you can play the original, its just that the port remake fixes bugs and makes the graphics look nicer.

There is also a psp remake version of ff1, and that would be the one i advise to get since it will likely be the best.

I played FF1 when i was a very young kid, so thats how old the original final fantasy is.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 27th August 2017 05:16
Pretty sure FF6 is more popular than FF4, though whatever.

Also, FFT currently lacks a PC remake, but it DOES have a PSP remake, which I hear fixes the translation problems of the PS1 version.

And yes I know I just commented on the "there's now a Secret of Mana remake" thread by saying that I only very recently commented elsewhere that Secret of Mana hadn't gotten a PC version yet. So here's to hoping that FFT gets one too.

Posted by: Spooniest 27th August 2017 06:54
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 27th August 2017 00:16)
Also, FFT currently lacks a PC remake, but it DOES have a PSP remake, which I hear fixes the translation problems of the PS1 version.

There are also patches that have been made for it which fix the slowdown present in the PSP version, though the sound effects (monster and human death cries, for instance especially) are a bit off still.

I own a copy on PSN which I have no PSP to play it on, but I use a copied version and play through an emulator. I consider this fair; I paid for the game and store it locally on my PS3?

I dunno, FBI Warnings on VHS cassettes freaked me out as a kid. But either way, it is playable on a PC if you really want to get into the withertos and the whyfores of it.

Posted by: ShaneT12 27th August 2017 17:25
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 26th August 2017 02:36)
You won't play ff4 and ff5?


I gave it a lot of thought.. but reviews I've read said those don't hold up as well.. a little indifferent on the whole job system as well.

Do you think they are worth playing? Don't suppose I would have to play them before the others but could consider them for completion's sake of course.

Just finally finished off Omega Weapon in ff6.

Posted by: Spooniest 27th August 2017 17:45
Quote (ShaneT12 @ 27th August 2017 12:25)
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 26th August 2017 02:36)
You won't play ff4 and ff5?


I gave it a lot of thought.. but reviews I've read said those don't hold up as well.. a little indifferent on the whole job system as well.

Do you think they are worth playing?

I wasn't aware Omega Weapon was in any version of FF6...but I haven't played the Dragon's Den all the way through yet?

Anyway, FF4 is worth a playthrough but I would be prepared for a lot more philosophizing than you'd be used to in an RPG of that era. Its story is very moralistic and can seem simple in the same way a very old Disney film would seem to someone who grew up in the 90's. Snow White practically seems like a series of animated stain glass windows to me, you know? It seems like stuff that became cliche later but wasn't at the time.

FF4 will be like that if you've played the later entries first. As for FF5, it's anyone's guess. Most don't like it's lighter storyline because it does remind them heavily of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves-era Disney.

Posted by: ShaneT12 27th August 2017 19:51
Quote (Spooniest @ 27th August 2017 11:45)

I wasn't aware Omega Weapon was in any version of FF6...but I haven't played the Dragon's Den all the way through yet?

Anyway, FF4 is worth a playthrough but I would be prepared for a lot more philosophizing than you'd be used to in an RPG of that era. Its story is very moralistic and can seem simple in the same way a very old Disney film would seem to someone who grew up in the 90's. Snow White practically seems like a series of animated stain glass windows to me, you know? It seems like stuff that became cliche later but wasn't at the time.

FF4 will be like that if you've played the later entries first. As for FF5, it's anyone's guess. Most don't like it's lighter storyline because it does remind them heavily of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves-era Disney.

Dragon's Den - then Soul Shrine - Then back to Dragon's Den to fight Omega Weapon per the walk through tongue.gif

I might give them a go at after I do the rest - I'm slow moving to begin with so I don't know if I want to hold up to the others.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 28th August 2017 04:00
Quote (ShaneT12 @ 27th August 2017 12:25)
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 26th August 2017 02:36)
You won't play ff4 and ff5?


I gave it a lot of thought.. but reviews I've read said those don't hold up as well.. a little indifferent on the whole job system as well.

Do you think they are worth playing? Don't suppose I would have to play them before the others but could consider them for completion's sake of course.

Just finally finished off Omega Weapon in ff6.

I don't like to tell someone whether they should or shouldn't play a game (because personally I'd say play both), but here's my take on them, if it helps:

FF4 is feels closer to a traditional fantasy story than stuff after it does. (FF5 is probably the last such game, without a strongly distinctive setting, in the mainline FF games, except maybe FF9.) It definitely has story twists, though, so it's kept interesting. But sometimes the story just feels like stuff happens because it needs to happen for drama's sake. It can still be fun though -- the music, and getting to fight key dramatic battles, make sure that the result is at least reasonably gratifying, if not even better. And while it clearly takes off of a stereotypical fantasy story, it also certainly has distinctive elements that would end up being the hallmarks of an FF game, from chocobo-riding to airships to an engineer named Cid.

As for gameplay, each character in FF4 has their own character class and special ability (or abilities), and you don't get to customize anything except for buying new armor for them. If you're into character customization, this isn't your game, but I liked it just fine (and I honestly prefer games like this that largely manage the ability-advancement for me). There are many playable characters but who's in your party changes depending on story events. (Remake versions give you some choice of characters in the endgame.)

FF5...well, a lot of people say that this game has more of a gameplay focus and a simpler story, in contrast to the more story-focused FF4. And indeed, it's most famous for its job system -- bringing back a familiar element from FF1 and FF3, and like in FF3, each character can change character class anytime (and you don't even need to pay "capacity" to do it). It's also got more depth than FF3, because you can get passive traits and also play with different combinations of abilities from different classes (stuff you couldn't do in FF3).

But I actually enjoyed the story of FF5 -- I felt that, while straightforward, it's effective and gratifying, and plays the drama level in a way that kept me very engaged. While I had some trouble feeling "invested" in FF4's story, but I definitely feel that I got "into" FF5's story, thoroughly resented and detested its villain, and really appreciated how he combined hamminess with actual toughness, beyond cutscene shenanigans. Both games have a lot of setting to explore, but FF5 does more in the way of integrating setting with story, in my opinion (e.g. that one town that exists twice), as well as a more engaging soundtrack (again in my opinion).

Note: I played the RPGe translation of the SNES version of FF5. The more recent versions (e.g. GBA) reported give the script a more humorous translation; I don't know how effective this is as I haven't played it. People generally seem to like it, though people also generally seemed to find the story lacking while I didn't, so.... (I think it's general consensus that the PS1 translation is not very good.)

For what it's worth, FF4 has a sequel, "The After Years", which is sold alongside it in the PSP(?) and PC versions. FF5, meanwhile, has an associated four-episode anime series called "Legend of the Crystals", which has not gotten any recent release. I'm not sure either thing is particularly well-regarded, though people rarely talk about LotC while TAY is sorta considered okay, I think?

Both games' remakes also add features to the gameplay. FF4 most notably has a full-3D version, and also has a bonus dungeon. FF5 also adds a bonus dungeon and some new character classes.

Posted by: ShaneT12 28th August 2017 12:50
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 27th August 2017 22:00)
chocobo-riding to airships to an engineer named Cid.

As for gameplay, each character in FF4 has their own character class and special ability (or abilities), and you don't get to customize anything except for buying new armor for them. If you're into character customization, this isn't your game, but I liked it just fine (and I honestly prefer games like this that largely manage the ability-advancement for me).

And indeed, it's most famous for its job system -- bringing back a familiar element from FF1 and FF3, and like in FF3, each character can change character class anytime (and you don't even need to pay "capacity" to do it)


1) Cid?!?!

Are the games connected? I thought all the games were stand alone essentially?

2) I'm with you I prefer that type as well.

3) The Job system on FF5 I'm not sure I would be a fan of myself as I do like the defined roles/characters.

I think I will end up giving them both a try though!! Just think I'm going to play some of the newer ones first (unless maybe I pick up 4/5 for mobile).

Thanks for the info though definitely have me thinking about them!

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 29th August 2017 07:08
Quote (ShaneT12 @ 28th August 2017 12:50)
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 27th August 2017 22:00)
chocobo-riding to airships to an engineer named Cid.

As for gameplay, each character in FF4 has their own character class and special ability (or abilities), and you don't get to customize anything except for buying new armor for them.  If you're into character customization, this isn't your game, but I liked it just fine (and I honestly prefer games like this that largely manage the ability-advancement for me). 

And indeed, it's most famous for its job system -- bringing back a familiar element from FF1 and FF3, and like in FF3, each character can change character class anytime (and you don't even need to pay "capacity" to do it)


1) Cid?!?!

Are the games connected? I thought all the games were stand alone essentially?

2) I'm with you I prefer that type as well.

3) The Job system on FF5 I'm not sure I would be a fan of myself as I do like the defined roles/characters.

I think I will end up giving them both a try though!! Just think I'm going to play some of the newer ones first (unless maybe I pick up 4/5 for mobile).

Thanks for the info though definitely have me thinking about them!

ff4 as glen said is extremely old but i think holds out well depending on who you ask.

personally i think the character play out like some sort of play and you got the heroic hero cecil who in my opinion is a better hero than cloud strife.Kain is also a favorite among those who love ff4 and golbez is a pretty good character too.

As for ff5:I actually think its a really good game.I think in my opinion playing all games makes you appreciate the series more and know where it comes from.There are those who only played ff7 or ff7 and later games, and while i think ff7 is a very good game on its own, you aren't really appreciating all the games.

If you go in with a closed mind you are risking of gaining nothing from playing the games, which reminds me:I really need to find a way to play star wars knights of the old republic and i should finish baldurs gate.

Posted by: ShaneT12 29th August 2017 14:20
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 29th August 2017 01:08)
There are those who only played ff7 or ff7 and later games, and while i think ff7 is a very good game on its own, you aren't really appreciating all the games.

If you go in with a closed mind you are risking of gaining nothing from playing the games

Until just a couple months ago the only ones that I have played were FF7 and FFX - many many years ago.

The release of FFXV got me re-interested in the series, even though I have yet to play it.

I thoroughly enjoyed my time with FFVI so much I went through and did just about all of the bonus end game content - think I put 49 hours in total.

Consider 4 & 5 officially added to the list! - I want to try and complete as many of them as I can before FFXV is released for Steam as nowadays I have PC only.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 31st August 2017 08:44
add ff1 ff2 and ff3.

I know ff1 and ff2 and ff3 are old but its best to play them all so you actually see the advancements in story and character development yourself.FF 2 nes actually had a story and advanced it.FF3 advanced character story and gave us the job system.FF4 had characters with development.FF5 improved upon the job system from ff3 and even though had a kind of silly villain had some fun things about it ff6 in my opinion gave us a villain who was both hilarious and terrifying because kefka does some things that are funny then he murders a bunch of people and its like:Holy cow he's a psycho.FF7 did add fmvs and even today the midgar cutscenes are cool to look at.The summons are a bit too long but they are really cool to look at once.

Posted by: Spooniest 31st August 2017 10:37
I don't mean to be rude, but I wonder why, Magitek, you seem to want to put 0 effort into anything you type. Are you very tired every time you type stuff here? Do you have a stressful job or something? I worry about you sometimes. smile.gif

More to the point, though, you and I are actually in agreement as far as what you're saying. The first three games for the NES ought to be enjoyed in their NES versions, though there is to date still no official way to play FF2 and FF3 in their NES forms in English. At least, not that I'm aware of.

It's a shame too, I feel like the remade versions sacrifice a lot of the charm of the originals. We didn't care that it sounded like beeps and boops to our parents, NES games had amazing music. It beat the previous generation of systems and most arcade games of the time amazingly with almost no SPU by today's standards, I'm guessing. The NES was king of the hill in its day for a reason.

FF2's story is super dark actually. I mean Halloween dark. It starts with monsters being summoned from Hell, like...you know, on the splash screen when you've switched on the game, and viewed the credits (I don't think they were ever skippable in the Famicom version...not sure if they were skippable in some versions, Demiforce etc). That's some heavy stuff to lay on someone who just turned on your game and hoped to have some adventure about orbs or crystals or some such. It also features music that does not end up being heard until you get well far into the game, particularly the Boss Theme, which is fairly menacing for its time. If you've never heard the boss theme of FF2 on a NES, it does a good job of making you a little uncomfortable right away, like "You got the goods or not? Good luck." Interestingly, it also features chest monsters that act differently than FF1...in FF1 there was just a tile which always produced a battle in front of the chest, but in FF2 the battle triggers from the dialog box after you open the chest. One or two of which in the endgame feature the aforementioned Boss Theme, which again gives your hair on the back of your neck a little kick. The echo effects on the main melody voices are just sort of...well you have to hear it.

Whenever FF3 comes up, I always like to mention that the first rock drum part officially plays the moment you first enter a battle with the Goblins after starting your new game. From that moment, FF and Rock Music joined up. The job system and NPC backstories are interesting, but FF4 would introduce a more compelling protagonist after 3 games of sort of faceless goons at the head of the party.

Firion doesn't exactly have much...er...character to him. His whole existence is to be the head of the party, and he literally never says anything that moves the plot forward to my recollection. He's utterly forgettable. Maria is the first archer of FF. Guy can talk to animals. Firion is...uh...he swords things till they're dead.

FF3 similarly has faceless whattheirfaces as your main party. This wouldn't return to the series after this game, and Square seems to have grown tired of the concept with time.

But as I said, they are worth playing, and have great music. They're hard too. Good luck with them. If you think you can just waltz right into Fynn and talk to whatever guards you want hehehe nice knowing you.

Posted by: ShaneT12 31st August 2017 12:06
haha I will keep an eye open for the next FF sale and try to pick up those ones as well!

Unfortunately NES version just isn't going to be possible for me. PC player only now so either PC or mobile.

I guess I could consider picking up the mini NES system for FF1 however smile.gif

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 31st August 2017 17:16
ff1 can be got on psp i think and gba.There is also a remake dawn of souls which is ff1 and ff2 versions of the real ff2 and ff1 not ff4 which in us was ff2 becuase they never saw ff2 or ff3.

FF3 is on nintendo DS as a remake and it is good.I played the rom version, but its probably best to buy it just because i don't want to overly encourage bad behavior such as pirating.

Posted by: ShaneT12 31st August 2017 19:18
So I see that GBA isn't that expensive and I could probably pick one up plus FF 1 & 2 Dawn of Souls for under $50 it looks like... but does anyone have any experience playing on an emulator?

How is that experience? Any issues?

Relatively new to PC gaming myself - use to be all console but have recently sold my consoles and instead built my own PC.

Posted by: AltheaValara 31st August 2017 19:58
Quote (ShaneT12 @ 28th August 2017 06:50)
1) Cid?!?!

Are the games connected? I thought all the games were stand alone essentially?

I don't think anybody has answered this. The games exist in separate universes, but share things in common (crystals to protect, chocobos, airships, a character named Cid, etc). Final Fantasy XII is in the same universe as the Tactics games.

I've played all of the main franchise up to XIV, and they're all worth checking out. I much prefer the GBA translation to FFV, as I like its humor (the PSX version is rather dry). I haven't played any of the games on an emulator so I can't help with that.

Posted by: ShaneT12 31st August 2017 20:31
Quote (AltheaValara @ 31st August 2017 13:58)

I don't think anybody has answered this. The games exist in separate universes, but share things in common (crystals to protect, chocobos, airships, a character named Cid, etc). Final Fantasy XII is in the same universe as the Tactics games.

I've played all of the main franchise up to XIV, and they're all worth checking out. I much prefer the GBA translation to FFV, as I like its humor (the PSX version is rather dry). I haven't played any of the games on an emulator so I can't help with that.

Appreciate the response!

That is what I kinda figured!!

I wish I had time for the online games but I hear you really need to invest a lot of time and I only get so much gaming time per night!

Maybe I will splurge for the GBA at some point.. just don't know if I would play any other games on it to make it worth the purchase or not.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 31st August 2017 21:06
Quote (ShaneT12 @ 31st August 2017 20:31)
Quote (AltheaValara @ 31st August 2017 13:58)

I don't think anybody has answered this. The games exist in separate universes, but share things in common (crystals to protect, chocobos, airships, a character named Cid, etc). Final Fantasy XII is in the same universe as the Tactics games.

I've played all of the main franchise up to XIV, and they're all worth checking out. I much prefer the GBA translation to FFV, as I like its humor (the PSX version is rather dry). I haven't played any of the games on an emulator so I can't help with that.

Appreciate the response!

That is what I kinda figured!!

I wish I had time for the online games but I hear you really need to invest a lot of time and I only get so much gaming time per night!

Maybe I will splurge for the GBA at some point.. just don't know if I would play any other games on it to make it worth the purchase or not.

I can help you with that.I am not allowed to disclose the emulator here or site, but the newest one i tried worked and i will leave it at that.You will have to test them out yourself and find them.

Posted by: Velvet17 4th September 2017 05:12
Hi. I hope this topic is still new enough not to be considered resurrecting an old topic but here are my thoughts.

i'm 36 and though I still enjoy Final Fantasy, though, I'm not sure about XV because driving around the country in a car i a bit of a snooze fest for me. I don't mind FMV cinematic scenes in my games because I honestly care more about the story elements than the playing the game part. The thing that detracts for me in the more recent games, excluding XIV, is my preference for Midevil or steam punk rather than futuristic things. And the progression towards a battle system that is more similar to your American or Western RPG. I also am not a huge fan of the more realistic looking character models. i'm kind of a big kid and I like cute and magic and mysticism and them trying to make the games more Western and Adulty is a total turn off for me. I didn't mind it in VII and VIII as much but I really don't like it in XV.

I'm still giving XV a chance though because sometimes I have to be in the right mood to like things. I've had this experience with movies, books, music, where I'll hate it the first time I encounter and then years later I'll give it another chance and love it.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 4th September 2017 13:02
Welcome to the forum! We don't have rules against necroing as long as your response is relevant and meaningful.

The idea of driving around a fantasy world in a car is something I am not sure how I feel about, honestly. It offers a fresh perspective, one that I never really considered in the older games -- especially since I didn't really have a habit of making much enjoyment on my own of free-roaming segments like having an airship.

Posted by: Elena99 4th September 2017 13:53
Quote (Velvet17 @ 4th September 2017 02:12)
I'm not sure about XV because driving around the country in a car i a bit of a snooze fest for me.

Just so you know, you can also ride chocobos. You have to do the sidequests to get to that option, but it's fairly early on. I know someone who just used chocobos whenever she could after that.

The one good thing about using the car is you can see how long the trip will take, set it on auto, then get up and do other random things that take a few minutes while you wait. If something happens mid-trip, you'll hear it if you're close-by.

I have to admit, though, I haven't had the urge to replay yet. I almost did, then I bought FFXII: Zodiac Age instead.

Posted by: Billdolfski 6th February 2018 22:22
I'm going to try to keep this concise if I can.

Started on Final Fantasy for the NES, subsequently played the SNES ones available to me in the US. I didn't mess with II, III or V for these reasons until I was older and they were available. FF, IV and VI were huge for me as a gamer. VII was really impressive too on levels that even VI couldn't accomplish, but I was getting a little older and less impressionable. VIII was the black sheep of the series at that point, to me and to a lot of others, but I found reasons to like it. IX, despite going back to some of the traits I enjoyed... I just somehow got bored with. I haven't finished it to this day and I fully realize it deserves a replay (that I need to get to).

Then came X on PS2. I was thrilled about it. Then I learned to hate both Tidus and Blitzball, but it still had enough else going for it that I was super interested. At the time, the US release was cut in ways that majorly took away from gameplay and between Tidus, that and some other aspects I couldn't stand... I quit the game and FF as a series. I did mess with XI for a while but decided that MMOs are just not for me.

After this point many games were released, some with positive reviews... I've heard glowing acclaim of X since it was re-released but I just never had any interest in the "newer" FF games. I skipped all of them, but I also went back to my favorites and either messed with them or replayed them. So finally XV comes out after all of these years and I decided I'd give the franchise another chance and Hell, why not even play it on console? Got a PS4, got FFXV and I went in with a good attitude and I really enjoyed the experience as a whole. Glad I went through with it.

The TL;DR version, the franchise has it's ups and downs and where those changes occur tend to be wildly varied from one player experience to another.

Posted by: His Shadow 16th March 2018 15:47
I am but Tanka, Heart Attack Man, and Zipperman hijacked the series and almost destroyed the company.

Zipperman with his mishandling of trying to force us to like Lighting but making game trying to ram her down our throats of someone no one really liked. He�s only there because of his past successes with FF7, and Kingdom Hearts. With the remake of FF7 looking like he�s again doing what he did with FFXV they need to remove him from the remake project. His ideas are not what the consumers wants and every news about what he wants to do with the remake has been frowned upon.

Tanka who created the Everquest clone FF11 and FFXIV which literally penalized you for playing the game had to be kicked out the door and the entire game remade. Square did something right by kicking him out the door like the Square CEO who made all major decisions with the advice from a fortune teller.

Heart Attack Man. Literally the devil. The first to hijack the series and inserted his failed world from Vagrant Story which didn�t sell and no one liked except the critics. Yes he made the gem FFT but he also divided the staff when he took over FF12 and pitted his team from Quest which was bought by Square against the original Final Fantasy team. And tried to promote a character worse then Lightning, Vann. Thankfully he had a heart attack and left. He also recently announced his Ivalace world is no longer apart of final fantasy and is apart of his failed Kickstarter series in which he screwed people out of his money.

The three cancers of the Final Fantasy Series

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 17th March 2018 18:08
Quote (His Shadow @ 16th March 2018 10:47)
I am but Tanka, Heart Attack Man, and Zipperman hijacked the series and almost destroyed the company.

Zipperman with his mishandling of trying to force us to like Lighting but making game trying to ram her down our throats of someone no one really liked. He�s only there because of his past successes with FF7, and Kingdom Hearts. With the remake of FF7 looking like he�s again doing what he did with FFXV they need to remove him from the remake project. His ideas are not what the consumers wants and every news about what he wants to do with the remake has been frowned upon.

Tanka who created the Everquest clone FF11 and FFXIV which literally penalized you for playing the game had to be kicked out the door and the entire game remade. Square did something right by kicking him out the door like the Square CEO who made all major decisions with the advice from a fortune teller.

Heart Attack Man. Literally the devil. The first to hijack the series and inserted his failed world from Vagrant Story which didn�t sell and no one liked except the critics. Yes he made the gem FFT but he also divided the staff when he took over FF12 and pitted his team from Quest which was bought by Square against the original Final Fantasy team. And tried to promote a character worse then Lightning, Vann. Thankfully he had a heart attack and left. He also recently announced his Ivalace world is no longer apart of final fantasy and is apart of his failed Kickstarter series in which he screwed people out of his money.

Okay I can figure out that Zipperman is Tetsuya Nomura, but who are the other two?

Posted by: AltheaValara 18th March 2018 20:25
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 17th March 2018 12:08)

Okay I can figure out that Zipperman is Tetsuya Nomura, but who are the other two?

"Tanka" is Hiromichi Tanaka, who was lead on FFXI for a while, and apparently was also lead on the first iteration of FFXIV. I quite liked FFXI, but I seem to recall fans griping about some of the decisions Tanaka made regarding that game. It's been long enough since then that I don't remember the details, just that Tanaka got a lot of flak.

Posted by: JTrigger 9th April 2018 14:34
I am 32 and I play the early FF's and XIV. Honestly, I don't care much for combat that isn't turn based. It saddens me that games will never be pixelated again.

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