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Posted: 22nd October 2018 05:45

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Anyone got an opinion on how good these are -- particularly with regards to durability?

I forgot where the other thread was where I commented on this here on CoN, but anyway, I've always preferred the SNES gamepad's style, without the two "legs" on each side, based on how I prefer holding the controller. However, the actual SNES controller obviously lacks analog sticks, which are useful for playing a lot of games. But this This would be an SNES-style gamepad with analog sticks, yet also natively USB so this means it's usable for PC gaming by default.

So I'm interested in getting one, but I've got this one friend who says he's heard that 8BitDo's stuff breaks easily.

I remember at least one person here bought one of these before -- how's your experience with it been? And what model did you get?

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Posted: 22nd October 2018 18:24

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I think this is the thread you were looking for?

https://www.cavesofnarshe.com/forums/ipb/in...90&#entry215120

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Posted: 24th October 2018 21:32

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As a matter of fact, Mr. Magus Harvey, I would say that the 8bitdo SN30 Pro I bought those 60 +/- days ago is functioning well and that I've had little issue with it. I did sell it to a collectibles store to be able to eat one day while living out of my car, but now I'm ensconced in an apartment and I've bought it back. smile.gif Not the most sound financial planning advice in the world, but all the same...

I've had absolutely 0 issues with the analog sticks, but mind you, I don't really play many games that would use them, to be perfectly frank. Mostly I end up mapping them to alternative functions for emulators like the Sega Classics Game Room (I use the right stick to do Quick Saves and Quick Loads). Stuff like that.

As far as I can tell, though, the stories of the analog sticks being faulty in some way seem apocryphal to me. They work fine, on my end.

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Posted: 25th October 2018 11:10

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8bitdo makes a whole bunch of controllers. I assume you mean either the SF30 Pro, or the SN30 Pro. I have not gotten one yet Glenn, but if I can get it at the right price I probably will try it eventually. Don't hold your breath for it though, since I've been contemplating the purchase for over a year now.

This is mostly because I also dislike handles, in part because if you squeeze them too tightly it can cause your hand to cramp, and in part because it strains the middle finger away from the ring finger if you have the middle fingers on L2 and R2. If you do not put your middle fingers on L2 and R2, then it takes longer to reach those buttons with your index finger, because they are normally placed on L1 and R1. I most particularly dislike the sort of handles found on the Playstation 1 and 2 controllers, which jut out and away from the main body of the controller. Playstation 3 controllers are more tolerable since they are smaller controllers, but not by much. The X-box 360 controller doesn't really use handles so much as it uses contours, which are fine by me though.

I do have an 8bitdo F30 pro though. It is durable enough to survive being left in my pocket and put in the laundry by mistake, although in saying that I should disclose that this was a water efficient front-loading washer, so it is not quite like it was submersed in water. I would not actually recommend buying an F30 pro, but I am not going to go into detail regarding that right now, because I doubt that it is indicative of the SF-30 pro which looks like a much different and superior solution.


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This would be an SNES-style gamepad with analog sticks, yet also natively USB so this means it's usable for PC gaming by default.


There is an error or two in this statement. The first is that 8bitdo makes Bluetooth controllers. It can still be used on your P.C., and other devices too, but likely at the cost of a very small amount of latency. If you need a U.S.B. controller, you might like the Hori Mini Wired Gamepad for the Playstation 4, which has a U.S.B. end. It is about the same size as an original style RVL-005 Classic Controller, although there are a few differences, and the directional pad feels a little soft compared to the Hori Fighting Commande PS4-044. The M.S.R.P. is about $30, but I have seen it for as low as $20 in the past. There was also a Dragon Quest Slime variant, which may have been the most ergonomic slime controller but it was limited edition and hence, now expensive on the secondhand market now that the pre-ordering period is over.

The other possible error is that controller compatibility can be really finicky on the P.C., so I would not really count on a given controller working by default just because it has a U.S.B. end. Depending on the game and how it supports gamepads, you may need third party software to get it working, unless the specific controller you are buying has a compatibility mode switch too, but such models are uncommon and I can not even think of a flat one.

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Posted: 26th October 2018 03:37

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That wired mini controller for PS4 seems like a possibility too, yes. I think there are a few other controllers I of this same style that I might like. There's an SNES-style controller for WiiU I think, which is also on my radar, as well as the Xbone controller which I'm considering because it looks like it might not be as bad as, say, the PS1 controller, given the way I hold it. Not sure.

And good point for bringing up that gamepad configuration on a PC can be finicky sometimes.

Meanwhile, said friend who kept on ragging on the 8BitDo controllers also suggested getting the Nintendo Switch GC/USB controller adapter. Reportedly takes 2 USB slots and fits up to 4 GC controllers. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm actually not that big of a fan of the GC controller. Like, I'll play native GC games with it, but I wouldn't want it for PC gaming.

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Posted: 27th October 2018 16:29

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Anybody presently reading this might also be interested in knowing that the sn30 pro is available on Newegg Flash for the next six days for 33.99 with free shipping, which is the lowest price I have seen for it, even if only by a small margin. I suspect 8bitdo is discontinuing the S.N.E.S. themed ones because of that, since Newegg Flash often seems to sell outlet type products, 8bitdo came out with some newer variations and the original S.N.E.S. color scheme does not show up on their website anymore, so despite what I said earlier I am going to buy an SF30 pro or two now to mitigate against that risk, since I really like that color scheme. The same controller will continue to be made in different colors though, and this Gameboy DMG-001 stylization fashioned one also looks good. It is probably worth noting that the 8bitdo controller is slightly larger to accommodate the thumbsticks, and that 8bitdo makes some bluetooth adapters for some of Nintendo's consoles too. It is also important to update the 8bitdo firmware on their products. Some features may not work until you do that.

Also, I have a question for Spooniest: I noticed that you also had the Buffalo Classic U.S.B. controller in another thread, and I would say that it was the former champion of U.S.B. S.N.E.S. controller facsimiles despite a couple of minor differences from the original S.N.E.S controllers. How does the 8bitdo one compare to that?

Now to address Glen's last post specifically:

I like the handles of the Gamecube controller because they are not angled so far away and the broader handle sides makes it harder for me to grip it too tightly, but it has so many of its own problems. It is missing a left shoulder button, the directional pad and c-stick are too small, the assorted sizes and shapes of the buttons are annoying and the face button layout introduces too much travel time from x and y to b or the other way around. Maybe it would be desirable for authenticity's sake if playing a game like Tales of Symphonia for the P.C., presuming it is compatible, or maybe if you had four leftover Gamecube controllers and wanted to play local multiplayerthat might be an affordable option. However your primary concern was ergonomics, and if you do not like the Gamecube controller then it is not going to satisfy that criterion, and I see almost no reason to buy something that you know you will not like when the same cash could go towards buying an alternative you might like, even if you end up disliking the alternative anyway. There is at least a chance that way.Besides that The Hori Battlepad for the Nintendo Switch might be the better option if you don't need more than one, or the analogue triggers of the original: It has a right shoulder button, a larger directional pad and a direct to U.S.B connection, and I usually prefer that because I sometimes worry about the potential for latency caused by translating one standard to another.

Speaking of criteria, you need a good set of them if you wish to decide what controller you want to use, and another factor you may want to consider for determining your requirements is thumb-stick symmetry in relation to the action buttons. If you mostly play two dimensional games without analog sensitivity requirements for movement, then it is probably better for the natural resting position of your thumb to be on the directional pad like it would be on the 8bitdo controller. If you play games with analog sensitivity requirements, as most three dimensional games do, then it is probably better for it to be on the thumbstick like it is for the Xbox controllers. Additionally, do you need analog triggers or mere buttons on L2 or R2? Some games only recognize one or the other, and obviously there is a play-style difference too: Analogue triggers have more subtle sensitivity but mere buttons have a more immediate response.The 8bitdo controller and the Hori Mini controller for Playstation 4 use buttons, whereas the xbox controllers have triggers.

Whether or not you are willing to buy multiple controllers for different games is also a factor, because then you could buy different controllers that are better suited for different needs. I like using the Hori PS4-044 for most P.C. games which do not require the thumbsticks, and switch over to an Xbox 360 controller for the ones that do require them. I personally find that time times when I need both the directional pad and the thumbsticks are rare, so with this combination each one of the controllers can cover the others' weaknesses for me.

Finally, I prefer the shape of an Xbox 360 controller to that of the Xbox One's controller, and the U.S.B versions are practically identical on the P.C. since they are both x-input controllers with roughly the same features and general layout. You should try an Xbox One controller at a retail demonstration kiosk if there is one nearby, since it is for a current generation console. The bottom of the contoured grip is fatter and comes down to a point on the very bottom on the xbox one controller. Also, the transforming directional-pad variation of the xbox 360 controller is supposed to have a better directional pad than the original. Since it is the last generation's tech,. a used xbox 360 controller would also be cheaper, so you could buy both the discounted 8bitdo controller from Newegg Flash and a used xbox 360 controller off of ebay for about what an Xbox One controller would normally cost.

Now I am not saying there are not reasons to prefer an xbox one controller over an xbox 360 controller. The microswitched directional pad is nice, it may have improved sensitivity, you have the option for a bluetooth model and naturally it is compatible with the Xbox One if you need a controller for that, but I suspect most of these features are past the point of diminishing returns for its use as a P.C. Gamepad.




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Posted: 27th October 2018 17:14

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Quote (Tonepoet @ 27th October 2018 11:29)
Also, I  have a question for Spooniest: I noticed that you also had the Buffalo Classic U.S.B. controller in another thread, and I would say that it was the former champion of U.S.B. S.N.E.S. controller facsimiles despite a couple of minor differences from the original S.N.E.S controllers. How does the 8bitdo one compare to that?

In my opinion, the SN30 Pro (which is what I got) is kind of superior to the Buffalo. See, the thing is, SN30 Pro has an XInput Capability which the Buffalo does not, and the extra analog sticks and L2/R2 triggers make assigning alternative functions and button combos to them possible.

It also has a bit more weight to it, like you are holding an actual Super NES/Super Famicom Controller. I will say, though, that when on Wireless Mode, sometimes (I'm talking about once every few days here, and I play games about 1-2 hours a day) I will release a direction and it will not stop inputting it, but that may be something I'm doing wrong (I have a really old and cheap bluetooth usb adapter, I should probably get something more robust). I did want to mention this issue, though, since you are concerned. It may very well be that you'll never see this happen, since you prefer to go wired. You might want to spend a few bucks on a USB extension cable. I've got one, and they are very convenient, as the 8Bitdo Usb cord is not very long.

By comparison, the Buffalo Super Famicom Replica controllers feel a little light and plasticky, but they work much more reliably. The only drawback is that they are not compatible with XInput at all, they are DirectInput only, so lots of games might require you to go through a pass-through program and map the controls to the keyboard (Joy2Key is the most basic example of such a pass-through program).

Hope that helps Tony.

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Posted: 28th October 2018 02:16

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@ Tonepoet: (not quoting your post at length because convenience)

1. I didn't know you could have analog trigger buttons.

That said I figured I'd want two such shoulder buttons on each side, since the PS1 has had this too.

2. I pretty much only play games that don't require analog stick movement, but that's partly because I've never had a gamepad. I'm not certain how that would change if I had a gamepad with an analogue stick but it'd be a slow change anyway given the pace at which I'm playing things.

3. I never checked out the shape of the XB360 gamepad but I just now noticed it's similar to the XBone's gamepad. That said, I also just now noticed how they switched the analogue stick with the D-pad.

(I think that if I had a choice I'd rather play Smash with a D-pad. Even though I don't play Smash much anyway.)

4. Interesting observation on their possible discontinuation. I'm not really concerned about the color, but hopefully they're making newer models to have improvements over the older ones.

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