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Posted: 9th March 2016 11:33

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Of course the musical comparison between FFVII and FFV differs a bit. First off, the first has two world map themes, while the second has three.

FFVII's first world map theme feels calm, and fitting for such a dangerous journey. However the second world map theme took that calmness away. Meteor's flying over the planet, everyone.

Meanwhile, FFV's first world map theme is sort of welcoming to a grand adventure, and it doesn't suck in that regard. It feels upbeat. The second world map theme focuses less on being welcoming and more on fitting the theme of the second world; an unknown strange land being explored. Which is also nice. The last world map theme fits the party's overall spirit after Galuf was casted away, along with the theme of multiple towns being lost in the void.


Of course, there is something essential here. While FFVII has one appropriately sized world map, FFV has three. Two medium-sized, and the third being a merger of the last two for one heck of a great world map that can be traversed with a single Chocobo ride.

And the third world still manages to hold up a sad impression. It didn't need a Meteor looming over the sky (FFVII) or for the world to turn red and bleak (FFVI). All it needed was the loss of a main character, a loss of a couple of important towns including Bartz's hometown, and whatnot, to carry that effect.

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Posted: 9th March 2016 22:38

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All 3 games focus on different things:

FF7 is kinda a downer since the world is about to be destroyed as we know it.
FF5 is a downer because places are being sucked into the void and galuf is dead
FF6 the world is in ruin hence the wind and plants are dying and the water is polluted.It gives an image of hopelessness.



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Posted: 10th March 2016 05:20

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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 10th March 2016 00:38)
All 3 games focus on different things:

FF7 is kinda a downer since the world is about to be destroyed as we know it.
FF5 is a downer because places are being sucked into the void and galuf is dead
FF6 the world is in ruin hence the wind and plants are dying and the water is polluted.It gives an image of hopelessness.

Come to think of it, that's the most accurate description of the three games I've ever seen. I've never thought about them in this way before.

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Posted: 10th March 2016 05:42

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Games have become far more adrenaline charged experiences with time. I'm hoping that ff15 isn't going to be all action, all the time...that would squash the "wandering through green fields finding stuff" feel that an rpg is supposed to have, in my opinion.


I haven't played Undertale myself, but I'm just wondering, would Undertale be something that affirms or runs counter to this view?

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Posted: 10th March 2016 09:16

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Undertale is a small Indy game.


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Posted: 11th March 2016 20:42

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 9th March 2016 20:42)

I haven't played Undertale myself, but I'm just wondering, would Undertale be something that affirms or runs counter to this view?

UnderTale is very linear because it is, really, quite small as a game. I think it does a decent job of evoking the "wandering around finding stuff" feel, with a few brief actiony segments outside of combat.

If that doesn't answer what you were asking, I probably misunderstood the question. Sorry about that.

As for the FF games, I feel this is a really interesting breakdown of why I feel like comparing them solely point-by-point isn't really productive:
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All 3 games focus on different things:

FF7 is kinda a downer since the world is about to be destroyed as we know it.
FF5 is a downer because places are being sucked into the void and galuf is dead
FF6 the world is in ruin hence the wind and plants are dying and the water is polluted.It gives an image of hopelessness.

Also, I like how each of them has an (arguably) main character of indeterminate origin, and who each have some important reveal about their upbringing, parentage, or whatever. I know it's not rare, as a story trope, but still interesting.

FF5: No-one asked who Bartz is, Bartz included, but it turns out that's super important, plot-wise.
FF6: Everyone wants to know who Terra is, especially Terra.
FF7: Cloud knows who Cloud is. Definitely. No doubt. Couldn't possibly be that he's actually not at all noteworthy and has everything wrong.

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Posted: 13th March 2016 15:04

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Actually I think even if undertake is linear it has a very interesting idea.The idea of not fighting monsters and either running away or making them like you is a cool idea.It takes the complete opposite of every turn based rpg which is nice.

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Posted: 16th March 2016 07:31

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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 13th March 2016 06:04)
Actually I think even if undertake is linear it has a very interesting idea.

I adore it, and found it to be really emotionally touching. I don't think even Spec Ops: The Line was quite so effective at making me feel personal guilt, though this game isn't nearly so brutal to the player.

But I digress.

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Posted: 16th March 2016 17:24

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I've yet to touch upon Undertale. I heard things about it on the GalaxyTrail/Freedom Planet forums, but apparently haven't had the drive to see it for real; even with the Humble Bundle download version and later on, a GOG version.

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Posted: 17th March 2016 16:32

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I have only played the Undertale demo, but I have been shown the music and subsequently read up extensively about the game on the wiki. So I kinda know way too much.

I sometimes remark that i'm more likely to buy the soundtrack than the game at this point.

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Posted: 19th March 2016 00:09

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 17th March 2016 07:32)
I sometimes remark that i'm more likely to buy the soundtrack than the game at this point.

Worth it. I've listened to it all the way through numerous times. I think it has somewhat more impact when you can associate the songs with where they show up in the game, but it's good regardless.

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