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i vote yes. like cecil, he has done things wrong in the past. also like cecil, he has done his best to redeem himself of those past mistakes. granted it isnt his father(or is it???????? lol, kidding) in the room, but i do not believe that it really matters. He seems to finally have moved on from his passion for rosa(possibly) and wishes to atone for his crimes and be able to face cecil once again. he plans on trying to become a paladin to do this, and i think he can.

do not even look at this if you havent completed the game.

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Um, no.

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Paladinic Knighthood was granted to Cecil by the ghost of his father. I'd say Klu Ya moved on to the afterlife after giving this gift, but if not, I'd imagine he wouldn't be able to give it to a non-Lunarian. Besides, Cain was trying to live up to his own father, who was a Dragon Knight (why he didn't become a Dark Knight like Cecil).

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Let me ask this: Why would Kain *want* to be a Paladin?

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Just because you see him on a Mt. Ordeals-like scene during the ending does not mean he is there to become a Paladin or that everyone that goes there becomes a Paladin. Do you think that if Palom went into the room and faced his challenge, he would be a Paladin instead of a mage?

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i agree with the previous post. kain is a dragoon and his wanting to atone for past misdeeds really doesnt have anything to do with becoming a paladin. for cecil, becoming a paladin it was his destiny.

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Cecil's transformation into a paladin is a result of both his destiny and his will. Kain has neither: he isn't destined to become a paladin (unlike Cecil, who, as someone previously stated, is a half-Lunarian, unlike Kain)--if he was, I'm sure the game would have hinted at it even faintly somewhere--and he doesn't wish to be a paladin either--he wants to become a great dragoon like his father, and that's his goal--not becoming a paladin like Cecil. Sure, they're best friends, but that doesn't mean that they're seeking the same glorification.

The location of Kain's ending scene is ambiguous. I personally thought it was on Mt. Hobbs, because Mt. Hobbs is closer to Baron than Mt. Ordeals. And as somebody mentioned before, even be it Mt. Ordeals, just because he goes up there doesn't mean that he'll necessarily become a paladin. He doesn't want to be one anyways, and remember that it was Cecil's father's spirit who granted the paladin state to Cecil--who would give Kain what? Maybe Kain's late father would grant him something that would enhance his dragoon abilities?

Wait--just to make sure, Kain's father passed away when he was a child, right? Or at least before the game's plot begins?

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Wait--just to make sure, Kain's father passed away when he was a child, right?  Or at least before the game's plot begins?

Yes, the king of Baron brought both Cecil and Cain in as orphans

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well i can honestly say i didnt expect to be mauled by everyone here over this...it was only an opinion. christ. im going to re-beat this game, see the ending for myself then start this over. my memory on the ending is a little hazy and i want to make sure i have this right. laters...

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Getting defensive won't help, and you haven't been mauled. If you aren't sure if what you are posting has basis in the game, kindly wait until you're sure.

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No, I don't think that Kain would become a paladin. And why would he want to anyway. He already could defeat Cecil by continuing to be a dragoon. All he would have to do is jump attack where Cecil couldn't hit him. Anyways, I think it would be bad if Kain became a paladin.

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Kain did not need to be a Paladin for he was better than a paladin

*Kain's jump ability not only did great damage it also protected him from attacks of all kinds (while in the air)

plus another paldin would have been annoying, and pointless

*And for more reasons red what edge marusame typed above*

This post has been edited by Cloud_Strife510 on 21st November 2003 03:26

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Kain could probly, but wouldn't want to waste the time on a skill like cover.

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okay, i think i will do that. however, i would like to get my point across on why i thought he was.
1.this has nothing to do with stats or how much damage he can do in respect to the two different classes.
2.He was on the exact same mountain range. And yes, that does give a kind of hint about him
3.He makes a remark about not being able face cecil until he could atone for his actions.(not exact words, mind you). Atoning for past crimes is/was one of the reasons why cecil went through with this transformation. However, i AM NOT saying it was the only reason.

okay, now im done with the topic until i beat the game again.

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Atone, or as to make amends. He couldn't face Cecil, not yet. He was ashamed of everything he did, he felt weak because he had been manipulated so much. The only thing that was even helping him cling to a little bit of himself was his care for Rosa. Kain betrayed Cecil, his best, and lifelong friend. If you really think about it, it's like him saying, he couldn't return until he felt pure, enlightened, stronger even. The mere fact that it was the same mountain range has nothing to do with it. Kain didn't want to become anything else, because he wanted to live up to his father, whom was also a dragoon. He seemed to be a person of few morals and beliefs, but he looked to hold them true and dear. I don't think that one simple thing would change something he held so strongly. Stats don't matter in this, attacks don't matter in this, this is a matter of character. Think if they fought in real time action, does that help you see things a little more clearly?

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Whether you believe Kain could become a Paladin or shold remain dragoon is entirely subject to speculation. I wrote a fan-fic of which I'm finishing based on the scenario that a new threat arose and Kain did have to become a Paladin. It's lost in the archives here somewhere though. If you can find it perhaps it may give you insight on the subject. But its only a fan-fic not a theory.

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okay, maybe he wouldnt become a paladin. but heres the thing, he does want to atone for his sins, right? well, cecil had to atone to become a paladin by fighting his evil side( the dark knight). his reward was that he became the paladin. now, maybe to atone for his crimes, kain may be fighting his dark side to atone. that wouldnt completely mean that kain would be a paladin, just free of his evil traits like cecil became.(if you can believe that he ever really had an evil side). So he could have been at Mt.Ordeals(and lets face it, that is the exact same place) to try and best his dark side in hopes that he could finally clear himself.

that is all speculation, but if you havent beaten the game, then it kinda ruins the point of playing. but i guess if you've come this far you've probably read everything else. ah well...

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Cecil's becoming a paladin isn't just an issue of atonement, though. He became a paladin for a reason, which is explained when Cecil first comes to Mysida. At this point in the game, his goal is to fight and defeat Golbez. The Elder basically tells Cecil, "The Sword of Evil cannot fight Golbez. You must climb Mt. Ordeal and become a Paladin." So Cecil is all like, "Sure thing, sign me up." Jokes aside, Cecil's main purpose in becoming a paladin was to be able to fight Golbez as well as cast off his dark side. It wasn't just a moral issue at hand.

Kain's demons are within himself, not in his armor and blade as it was in Cecil's case. Personality wise, Cecil did not change much after undergoing the change from Dark Knight to Paladin. Cecil fighting his dark side was a test from KluYa before Cecil could become a Paladin. Kain has nothing to prove to anybody but himself, therefore becoming a paladin isn't really necessary imo.

And in regards to the fight, Cecil didn't fight himself persay. He had to prove he could follow the ways of the paladin. Paladins only fight for righteousness. They don't start fights, they finish them. Paladins try to solve things by peaceful means before taking it into fighting because Paladins ARE peacekeepers.

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And in regards to the fight, Cecil didn't fight himself persay. He had to prove he could follow the ways of the paladin. Paladins only fight for righteousness. They don't start fights, they finish them. Paladins try to solve things by peaceful means before taking it into fighting because Paladins ARE peacekeepers.

What do those Random Encounters fall under then? lol, by that description (im not trying to pick arguments or anything, just making an funny observation) Paladins are keepers of the peace, yeah, no problems there.. but if he gets into a random encounter.. what does he do? stand there and let the enemy get first go? naturally, yeah, but what if the enemy casted Death on him? or Meteo? erm.. ouch? lol

But, about Kain being a Paladin

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im kinda leaning towards a massive.. uh.. NO, here.. simply because, the Dragoon trend ran through his family (ie, his father) so he would be more-or-less inclined to keep going as a Dragoon as keep the legacy going eh?

So, keep Kain as a Dragoon thanks, i like his Jump hehe.

Random encounter = A Monster shows the offensive towards the party. Party fights back to kill monster/protect themselves.

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