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I was thinking about what bad could be said and came up with 2 things:

1:Zeromus:While he is the main villain,he has nowhere near as much personality as golbez or relationship.

I found that he really doesn't say much.

In fact i would compare him to jenova of ff7 who seems to not say much at all and while the fight is awesome,he is still a mistery.


The lunarian part:I was thinking that the whole lunarian part seemed like something you might see in a cheesy science fiction movie.

It is completely unrealistic.

Apart from that,i think the game is a excellent game and definately has a great deal of heart.

The scene where cecil fights to redeem himself of his past and anything he did bad was just epic.



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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Well, in a fantasy world with a giant whale ship, a floating tower, and all sorts of weird and magical creatures, I wouldn't find the Lunarian part unrealistic.

Though I agree; the plot seemed a bit contrived at times and more in the vein of "classic" RPG fantasy plots, though it was already heading in the direction of a coherent complex narrative that FFV solidified and FFVI perfected.

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Fairy Fencer F ADF
Pokémon Perfect Crystal

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Gato Roboto
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New Super Mario Bros.
TMNT 3: Radical Rescue

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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 9th April 2010 13:03)

I was thinking about what bad could be said and came up with 2 things:

1:Zeromus:While he is the main villain,he has nowhere near as much personality as golbez or relationship.

I found that he really doesn't say much.

In fact i would compare him to jenova of ff7 who seems to not say much at all and while the fight is awesome,he is still a mistery.


The lunarian part:I was thinking that the whole lunarian part seemed like something you might see in a cheesy science fiction movie.

It is completely unrealistic.

Apart from that,i think the game is a excellent game and definately has a great deal of heart.

The scene where cecil fights to redeem himself of his past and anything he did bad was just epic.

1. Think it's because we (as the player ) don't learn much about his personality throughout the game, he is just like the villain from VIII. We witness his powers and how evil he is, but we only see a very short speech of what his character is like because he is too busy mind controlling others and being behind the scenes rather than a villain like Kefka or Seymour who do the villanery up front and it's rather easy to see what their character and personality is like. Kefka mind- controlled Terra but he he was more up front and only very little doing the dirty work behind the scenes.

Would compare him more to Ultimeca from Final Fantasy VIII. Though Jenova is a pretty good behind- the scenes- mind screwier as well.

2. Cecil comes from the moon but- Terra is half monster- Bartz comes from a whole entire different universe where people use meteors for transportation- Cloud has alien cells in his body- Squall is the main leader of a highschool at aged seventeen and it can fly - Zidane is another race all together- and Tidus is a dream.

3. Have to agree with you !

This post has been edited by ZidaneTribal on 10th April 2010 07:19

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Currently looking forward to Don't Know.

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Another thing i want to mention:

I don't know why people complain about the atb in ffiv

It may add some difficulty but it isn't over the top hard.

Also means you need to be more strategic instead of just rushing in to attack.


I also want to say that i think FFIV is vastly underrated for its time.

People ignore it and it gets overshadowed by games that are popular but not necessarily good.

I will say that i don't consider ff6 overrated at all,i think in fact that it is well placed and it deserves every single praise it gets.

I just wish newer fans would try out ffiv more and give it a fair rating and not see 2d graphics and whine and complain.



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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Well, FWIW, FF4 is now in 3D.

Also, the main problem with th ATB in FFVI was that it was hidden from the player's view.

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current games (2024-02-19):
Fairy Fencer F ADF
Pokémon Perfect Crystal

finished so far this year:
Gato Roboto
drowning, drowning
New Super Mario Bros.
TMNT 3: Radical Rescue

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 10th April 2010 15:03)

Well, FWIW, FF4 is now in 3D.

Also, the main problem with th ATB in FFVI was that it was hidden from the player's view.

That and the infamous psycho cyan glitch vanish doom and sketch glitch.

What glitches that are exploitable are there in ff4?

We must keep on topic or i'm sure the mods will close this topic.



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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Oops, I meant FFIV, not FFVI. FFVI's ATB is indeed visible to the player.

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Fairy Fencer F ADF
Pokémon Perfect Crystal

finished so far this year:
Gato Roboto
drowning, drowning
New Super Mario Bros.
TMNT 3: Radical Rescue

tabled: Lost Ruins

Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 10th April 2010 03:03)

Though I agree; the plot seemed a bit contrived at times and more in the vein of "classic" RPG fantasy plots, though it was already heading in the direction of a coherent complex narrative that FFV solidified and FFVI perfected.

Well, it was the innovator of the series. It was really the first of its kind, and its influence should be noted and praise. Also, that gives it sort of an excuse, because it was breaking new ground. But yes, I agree, FFVI's storytelling is immaculate, and VII redefined the word spectacle. But there would be no Cloud or Shadow without the Dark Knight Cecil. In fact, the idea of a dramatic plot in a game period barely existed before IV came around. So, while I don't think it's on VI's level, IV deserves a lot of praise.

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Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 10th April 2010 14:39)

Zidanetribal

Another thing i want to mention:

I don't know why people complain about the atb in ffiv

It may add some difficulty but it isn't over the top hard.

Also means you need to be more strategic instead of just rushing in to attack.


I also want to say that i think FFIV is vastly underrated for its time.

People ignore it and it gets overshadowed by games that are popular but not necessarily good.

I will say that i don't consider ff6 overrated at all,i think in fact that it is well placed and it deserves every single praise it gets.

I just wish newer fans would try out ffiv more and give it a fair rating and not see 2d graphics and whine and complain.

Maybe because they are used to FF7- FF10 speeds and they are not used to it ?? Yeah actually liked the whole challenge of the game and actually having to think before attacking. It's just not like pressing the x button over and over again.

Actually since the DS remake FF4 has increased in popularity and would say that's now one of the most poplaur or common final fantasy games, would say it goes FF7- FF6- FF10- FF4- FF8. would say it's doing better than FF9 FF12 and even FF13 and those games are pretty common. Though is just assuming here.

Would say if there was a very underrated Final Fantasy game that deserves more attention would say that it's Final Fantasy V and Final Fantasy IX those games have a excellent battle system and very funny comedic like characters but a deadly and dark storyline.

But yeah FF4 does deserve alot of praise.

This post has been edited by ZidaneTribal on 13th April 2010 03:15

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Currently playing Chrono Trigger !!
Currently looking forward to Don't Know.

I didn't like the costume and character design in ds version.

They make cecil look a bit fruity with the purple stripes,and he looked much younger in ds version than he did on snes.

I also liked the stripes of multiple colors in his hair which didn't make him seem as fruity.

I say that word because i don't want to get a warning.


The youth thing kind of works against him as it makes him seem more like a child and doesn't give that image of maturity.

For rydia and for kain it works just fine.

The voice acting was also decent.

And no,i normally don't think of paladins as being homosexual.



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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 24th April 2010 08:37)

I didn't like the costume and character design in ds version.

They make cecil look a bit fruity with the purple stripes,and he looked much younger in ds version than he did on snes.

I also liked the stripes of multiple colors in his hair which didn't make him seem as fruity.

I say that word because i don't want to get a warning.

And no,i normally don't think of paladins as being homosexual.

I thought he had brighter colors in the SNES version. At least, brighter than those in the GBA version; I'm not sure about the DS version.

Though I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind lots of bright shiny colors.

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Fairy Fencer F ADF
Pokémon Perfect Crystal

finished so far this year:
Gato Roboto
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New Super Mario Bros.
TMNT 3: Radical Rescue

tabled: Lost Ruins

While I'm all for Amano's art, I agree with Cecil looking a little too uhhh.... flamboyant. It seems to me that in the original character designs for Cecil, he was slightly more normal looking, while in Amano's artwork for, say, FFIV GBA, he's as pale as a corpse (so are Rosa and Kain, but I don't remember them looking too ghostly in FFIV DS).

Everyone looks flamboyant in Amano's art.

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current games (2024-02-19):
Fairy Fencer F ADF
Pokémon Perfect Crystal

finished so far this year:
Gato Roboto
drowning, drowning
New Super Mario Bros.
TMNT 3: Radical Rescue

tabled: Lost Ruins

Thank you! That's the word I've been looking for all this time!


Also, they hide the ATB gage in IV? I played the DS remake where the gage was visible, but seriously? THEY HIDE IT?


Also, my biggest problem with Zeromus was not that we don't know much about him as a person (I feel like we know very little about Kefka before he went nuts) but it is instead that he shows up at the last possible second. Okay, you're the... what now? God of destruction? Humanity's darkside given physical form? Something created by Zemus? He shows up late enough to be a deus ex machina, so that counts against him.

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[QUOTE=Smash Genesis,7th May 2010 00:22] Thank you! That's the word I've been looking for all this time!

Also, my biggest problem with Zeromus was not that we don't know much about him as a person (I feel like we know very little about Kefka before he went nuts) but it is instead that he shows up at the last possible second.
The past is important but it is kefka's interactiongs in the past that are important.

Without them you wouldn't have a villain.

I still think kefka is a overall better villain than zeromus and sephiroth.

Going back to zeromus:We know little about zeromus except that he was sealed away because he is evil and refuses to sleep and wants to bring destruction.

Or at least in this case:Zemus since zeromus is zemus rage and hatred.

True he appears at the last minute but oh well,at least he has a really cool boss theme.

Sometimes you got to also look for what is good in a game.

FFX's biggest flaw is that it is linear and you follow a almost straight path,but ff4 is also pretty linear itself.

Both games are good games.




This post has been edited by Magitek_slayer on 7th May 2010 05:59

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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Agreed, they are both good games. And I do like Kefka! Honest!


Also, does anyone ever wonder how Rydia has green hair when her mother has brown hair?

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Quote (Smash Genesis @ 7th May 2010 17:00)

Agreed, they are both good games. And I do like Kefka! Honest!


Also, does anyone ever wonder how Rydia has green hair when her mother has brown hair?

I thought green hair is supposed to replace black hair.

I really don't know how it works but that was my guess.

I heard a comment about it since ff4 is not the only game to have a green haired character.

you can find green hair in ff5,ff6,breath of fire 1 and 2 and maybe some other rpg.



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We are stardust.Our bodies are made from the guts of exploding stars.

Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Quote (Smash Genesis @ 7th May 2010 13:00)

Agreed, they are both good games. And I do like Kefka! Honest!


Also, does anyone ever wonder how Rydia has green hair when her mother has brown hair?

It's a fantasy, and they live in a magic village? Idk.

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Praise Be To Helix!

Quote (Smash Genesis @ 6th May 2010 20:22)

Also, they hide the ATB gage in IV? I played the DS remake where the gage was visible, but seriously? THEY HIDE IT?

Not so much that they hide it as they didn't think to make it appear; it was their first game with an ATB battle system. All their subsequent ATB games have the bar shown.

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current games (2024-02-19):
Fairy Fencer F ADF
Pokémon Perfect Crystal

finished so far this year:
Gato Roboto
drowning, drowning
New Super Mario Bros.
TMNT 3: Radical Rescue

tabled: Lost Ruins