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i like her better as a kid. ive always been a fan of the ass-stomping kids in rpgs and anime, and this is no exception. also, i dont like the battle sprite of grown rydia. i DO however admit that she IS better.

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Story became alot more interesting when Rydia practically grew up over night.

I like her better when she is an adult. She becomes much more serious. Plus, it's funny when Edge try to be a pimp around her.

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Rydia is my absolute favorite character from FF IV, and I think both incarnations of her character are equally important. This entire post is pretty much going to consist entirely of spoilers.

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First, her child form is one of someone who was forced to mature at a very early age. As a child, her mother was killed off and her town was destroyed. She is then taken by the very person who killed her mother AND destroyed her village who protects her from more people who are out to kill her. She joins up with this knight WILLINGLY and helps him to first save his love interest and then helps him save the world from someone who is out to conquer and kill. Think about what this must be like on the psyche of someone who is seven years old! But, she handles the situation very well and displays determination, strength of will, and maturity that is far beyond her years.

Now, jump forward to adult Rydia. She grew up in the land of the summoned monsters and met up with the people that she knew as a child, only they are pretty much the same age as when she left them. Combine this with the fact that she's been homeless and fighting with Cecil at an early age, and you see that here is a person who pretty much had no childhood. Yet, she still displays the qualities that she exhibited as a child as well as growing into newer qualities that build on her character. She has an inner fire that keeps Edge at bay (though I love the EdgexRydia pairing ), a heart kind enough to realize forgiveness over a very serious matter,and all the while still maintaining a childlike naitivy(sp) that can only come from someone who didn't grow up around other people.

I guess if I _had_ to choose one, I'd go with Adult Rydia over Child Rydia since there is a lot more potential for growth there given the circumstances.

her adult form by far
A) she can summon more monsters
she gets better looking
C) she gains more black magic
D) her friction with Edge is one of a kind

*I hope Edge marries her
*Im rooting for him all the way

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well of course theyll marry. at this point RPGs hadnt developed the idea that just because a male character like another FEMALE character, shell come swooning into his arms. hmm, i hope that sentence makes sense, but TOO BAD if it doesnt!

well, i still think that kid rydia looks better, but is the adult better? uhm, YEAH!

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Quote (the n00binator @ 17th November 2003 13:27)

well of course theyll marry. at this point RPGs hadnt developed the idea that just because a male character like another FEMALE character, shell come swooning into his arms. hmm, i hope that sentence makes sense, but TOO BAD if it doesnt!

well, i still think that kid rydia looks better, but is the adult better? uhm, YEAH!

Um, could you maybe try standard English from now on?

I think Edge totally got rejected, and Rydia's going to hook up with some fine monster dude.

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Quote (karasuman @ 17th November 2003 14:51)

I think Edge totally got rejected, and Rydia's going to hook up with some fine monster dude.

That was the implication, yes.

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well of course theyll marry. at this point RPGs hadnt developed the idea that just because a male character like another FEMALE character

Yeah it did. Rosa had no interest in Cain, now did she?
There is a hint of a possible crush in FFIII (even with lack of character development), but nothing developed.
Galuf teased Butz in V when they all first got to gether, and nothing happened.

Anyways, back to Rydia.
If you ever hacked a Whip in the beginning of the game you would know that Rydia can't equip her best weapon until she grows up.
Her stats take a leap (not just because of level, either) when she grows up.
When she's child, she's just a lost little girl mourning her mother while following the only guy around willing to pay her any mind.
As an adult, she's a mature, proud, and powerful warrior.

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I voted for adult Rydia. Most of what I would want to say has already been said by others--better stats (especially hit rate), equip whip, more mature personality, better-looking sprite, more summons. (I actually think Rydia's battle sprite is better adult than child, but her world map sprite is better child than adult.)

By the way, I've read that Rydia can't learn 2nd-order black magic (such as Fire2), but can learn all spells other than that, including Meteo. Can anyone verify this?

And for some reason I've never found any good pictures of Rydia. I personally think the Amano portrait is the worst of all, but most are just mediocre. Like how I found tons of pictures of Marle (of CT), but not too many of Lucca, even though I think Lucca>Marle and Rydia>Rosa, Edge, or Kain in looks.

And I highly doubt that Rydia will go with Edge. Edge has to ****ty and obnoxious a personality for her to ever like. As for her "hook[ing] up with some fine monster dude", I don't believe that'll happen either. ("If anyone here wants to try to impress her, go right ahead.")

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 18th November 2003 00:41)

better stats (especially hit rate)

Hit rate is completely dependant on the weapon the character has in their hands.

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By the way, I've read that Rydia can't learn 2nd-order black magic (such as Fire2), but can learn all spells other than that, including Meteo.  Can anyone verify this?

Verified. I once played through, playing with Game Genie codes, and one of them was a hundred-million-something experience after a battle. She learned all but those, as well as a few others.
If you looked in the website attached to the forums, you will find when all the spells are learned for each character. Where it says "Underground" for Rydia, those are the spells she learns between adulthood and child hood.

Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 18th November 2003 00:41)

And for some reason I've never found any good pictures of Rydia.  I personally think the Amano portrait is the worst of all, but most are just mediocre.

Would you settle for Fanart?

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I believe Child Rydia has more of a personality, but that's just because she's a child who's acting like a typical child. Adult Rydia is ten times more fun in the game, seeing as you get to travel all across Earth and beyond (literally) to get some sweet @$$ summons. Battle sprite's cooler, and she's down with the Monsters so, yeah, Adult Rydia kicks @$$.

Granted. Rydia does not return the love for Kain that he has for her, but how surprising is that?
I have never played final fantasy 3 for the nes. i dont know if it came to america or not, but in any case i have not played it. no i do not own an emulator so i cannot download it.
If you honestly think that Bartz and Reina are not going to hook up, then--*rubs temples in floats to happy place*


once again, i would like to state i never based my preference to child rydia upon stats or equipment. i think she is more interesting as a child. she has to overcome her dire fear of fire(due to the loss of her mother *nothin to do with fire, but anyway* and hometown) and obliterate the ice blocks hindering the advancement of the party. Its not that she is simply following a man around who wishes to take care of her, this man killed her mother. That would take a very brave and mature child to do, and not to forget forgiving. Also as a child, she has to learn to deal with the pain of battle. This includes:working the courage up to attack, fighting the natural urge to flee(which most children of that age would), and watch as comrads take damage and fall before you(cecil after kain smacks him up). Granted that the twins also posses these merits, their background and experiences in life differ from rydia. they have been trained since birth it seems to use their magic to battle monsters.
adult rydia seems to lack most of the traits that she had has a child. she constantly whines, or fights with the pompus edge(who i loathe). when cecil asks her to stay behind as he, kain, and edge leave for the moon she ignores him and tags along anyway. am i glad rosa and she came along? yes. does that make her a mature person? no. As an adult she never demonstrates pride nor maturity.

but can she beat down on the monsters better? yupp!

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Good post, but I don't think anyone expects you to counter their opinions. People post here to express their opinions, not so much debate them. - R51

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 20th November 2003 21:08

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Quote (the n00binator @ 20th November 2003 15:39)

she has to overcome her dire fear of fire(due to the loss of her mother *nothin to do with fire, but anyway* and hometown) and obliterate the ice blocks hindering the advancement of the party.

Her fear of fire stems purely from the loss of her hometown, since Mist was destroyed by fire (well, by Bombs, but same diff). And even if she wasn't particularly attached to her hometown itself, being in the middle of a huge conflagration is a very traumatic experience for a six-year-old girl.

my "dire fear of fire" statement came out a little half-baked. her mother died because cecil and kain whooped down on the mist dragon, and then the bombring exploded her town(giving her the fear of flames). i apologize for the confusion there.

thanks for the compliment R51. i really appreciate it. i like to debate anything i can, and if im allowed to do in on the boards without getting in trouble i will. most places get b!tchy when i do this. ill try to stick with it.

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I prefer Adult, as less attacks seem to hit her then... and she hits better with magic/summons etc...
AND shes one of two characetrs who my game goes funny with (at the point im at) and NEVER hits them with any status ailement. ever. well, excpet curse. (others Cecil!)

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wow--im so far the only one who hasn't picked kid rydia over adult. lol, thats funny!

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This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 23rd November 2003 01:49

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Heh, the funny thing is..

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Rydia still learns all (well, some of the White Magic list) the Black Magic Spells as a kid, if you continue to level her up, i'll even take screenshots if you want proof

heh, but all in all, i prefer her Older Form, because you can get the rest of the summons when she is like this, and she tends to gain more HP/MP (only a tiny bit more actually) as compared to her childish state.

Adult Rydia it is!

Err.. wrong smilie hehe.

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Rydia still learns all (well, some of the White Magic list) the Black Magic Spells as a kid, if you continue to level her up, i'll even take screenshots if you want proof

Yes please, actually, I'd love to see the screenshots. It would certainly be nice to have for the site.

And now I know who you are, you had an FF4 site back in the day (maybe still do).

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Yes please, actually, I'd love to see the screenshots. It would certainly be nice to have for the site.

And now I know who you are, you had an FF4 site back in the day (maybe still do).

Still got my FF4 site up mate but, here are the snaps (i think the quality may be a bit off, i saved them as .png instead of my normal .bmp) ;






Anything else while im here, hehe

Eh, and seems i was a *bit* off in saying, ALL the spells.. i just noticed in those pictures that Fire2/Ice2/Bolt2 arent there.. so, its true then...

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Rydia learns her Level 2 Elemental Spells upon returning from the Phantom World

heh, wow.. i always figured she just learnt them as per normal. Or maybe, because she is still a child those

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3 White Magic spells *counter* for having those 3 last Black Magic spells?

hmm... interesting.

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Knowing the specific levels would be great.

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Knowing the specific levels would be great.

Well, heres what i figure.. (bare with me, lol) Rydia learns Piggy @ Lv.20, then there is a 5 Level gap until her next spell is learnt, which is Bio @ Lv.26. So, where do Fire2/Ice2/Bolt2 fit in? somewhere in those 5 levels mate, heh.. 'cuz all the info i have, simply say "She learns them as an Adult" so.. eh, its pretty rough. But thats all i got for ya.

Lv20: Piggy
Lv21: *nothing* Ice2 ?
Lv22: *nothing*
Lv23: *nothing* Bolt2 ?
Lv24: *nothing*
Lv25: *nothing* Fire2 ?
Lv26: Bio

So, eh, thats how you can look at it.. but it may be part of the games coding, to give her those spells specifically after she has changed to an Adult. Another theory emerges, woohoo.

*looks at pictures*
*stares dumbstruck*

Wow. Somebody decided to actually prove that. But I have to ask, when does she learn the 3rd-order spells, and when Quake, Flare, Meteo, and Fire?

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Gato Roboto
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New Super Mario Bros.
TMNT 3: Radical Rescue

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Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 26th November 2003 15:55)

*looks at pictures*
*stares dumbstruck*

Wow. Somebody decided to actually prove that. But I have to ask, when does she learn the 3rd-order spells, and when Quake, Flare, Meteo, and Fire?

Fire: Is learnt

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once you get Rosa & company into your Party and then you goto Mt.Hobbs, to melt that Ice.

Ice3: Level 39
Fire3: Level 42
Bolt3: Level 45

Quake: Level 47
Flare: Level 55
Meteo: Level 60



Mind you though, those spells can be learnt in both her forms, but Fire *is* learnt at Mt.Hobbs because its part of the story.

I asked fire becauseIi thought it was one of those things like Sabin's Bum Rush or Cyan's SwdTechs such that it could be learned by raising levels but could be learned much sooner at some event. Apparently not, though. But the fact that she learns Fire3--makes you wonder, eh?

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current games (2024-02-19):
Fairy Fencer F ADF
Pokémon Perfect Crystal

finished so far this year:
Gato Roboto
drowning, drowning
New Super Mario Bros.
TMNT 3: Radical Rescue

tabled: Lost Ruins

my question is this: i noticed that you are playing the playstation version. so--did you actaully level her up, or did you shark the crap outta the game? if you actually performed the feat of levelling her up, then my hat is off to you sir. that was truly amazing.
if you sharked it, well--thanks for posting(and furthermore, PROVING) that child rydia can learn those spells.

in any case, good job

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Quote (the n00binator @ 26th November 2003 11:44)

my question is this: i noticed that you are playing the playstation version. so--did you actaully level her up, or did you shark the crap outta the game? if you actually performed the feat of levelling her up, then my hat is off to you sir. that was truly amazing.
if you sharked it, well--thanks for posting(and furthermore, PROVING) that child rydia can learn those spells.

in any case, good job

It's not the PSX version, which you would know had you gone to the CoN FF4 section.

He's playing the J2E hacked version of FF4.

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(Disclaimer: I'm not accusing or trying to be nasty; I just don't know about this.)

What is the evidence in those screenshots posted above that shows that it's the J2E FF4?

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current games (2024-02-19):
Fairy Fencer F ADF
Pokémon Perfect Crystal

finished so far this year:
Gato Roboto
drowning, drowning
New Super Mario Bros.
TMNT 3: Radical Rescue

tabled: Lost Ruins

a) The font in the word "Status" on the first shot and "Ability" later are not from any American version.
b) "Dejon" is not a black magic spell name used in either American version.
c) I could be wrong on this one, but I don't think she is called "Summoner" on the PSX version. I thought it was still Caller, but I can't remember for sure.

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Stupid b) smiley

This post has been edited by Rangers51 on 26th November 2003 19:03

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I seem to be the only other one who voted for kid. I don't mind her new sprite and I think Edge's pimping was interesting, but here are my reasons:

1)White magic would have made her more awesome
2)Her sudden maturation was about as good of a plot element as Cid's near-suicide

Quote (the n00binator @ 27th November 2003 04:44)

my question is this: i noticed that you are playing the playstation version. so--did you actaully level her up, or did you shark the crap outta the game? if you actually performed the feat of levelling her up, then my hat is off to you sir. that was truly amazing.
if you sharked it, well--thanks for posting(and furthermore, PROVING) that child rydia can learn those spells.

in any case, good job

Heh, as everybody else already said for me... no, it aint the Playstation version (i thought those shots would've said enough about the version actually, lol) and to get her to Level 78, i was given a .CHT (with Game Genie codes, not Gameshark) file to make the end of every battle yield 65,000 EXP (or 65,556, im not sure excatly) but, it got plenty of those levels out of the way. First time i put that code to good use though, did take a while to get her to Level 78, since i tried to make sure she GAINED stats every level after 70, which took alot of State Reloading, heh.

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He's playing the J2E hacked version of FF4.

Correct

Im sure the quality of those pictures is what would've made some of you guys doubt it was a rom.. thats the first time i have saved images as .PNG right off the emulator.. and eh, seems it has some colouring issues.. lol, it DOES kinda resemble the PSX FFIV now that i think about it.. but eh, moving on.

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FYI: The colouring issues are because Microsoft Internet Explorer can't read PNGs properly AT ALL, because it's a terribly backwards browser that belongs in the 1790s. Try a decent browser (well, almost any non-IE browser) and it'll work. -Tiddles

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a) The font in the word "Status" on the first shot and "Ability" later are not from any American version.
"Dejon" is not a black magic spell name used in either American version.
c) I could be wrong on this one, but I don't think she is called "Summoner" on the PSX version. I thought it was still Caller, but I can't remember for sure.

a.) Yes.
b.)Indeed, its renamed to Warp in the PSX version i believe.
c.) Almost there, heh, in this FFAnthology (Euro version) i jus whipped onto the PS2, they call her "Summon" (character limit perhaps?) in the menu's. But in the text they call her a Caller and/or Summoner.. all mean the same, heh.

*continues to listen to winamp and post at 7 other forums*

This post has been edited by Tiddles on 26th November 2003 23:11