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I think it is because Kain filled the bridge between villain and hero. Kain was versitile and justifiable in almost of of his actions. Yes, he looked cool, how could be ever forget that?

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At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.
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Quote (AnarchistDream @ 4th November 2003 08:49)

I think it is because Kain filled the bridge between villain and hero. Kain was versitile and justifiable in almost of of his actions. Yes, he looked cool, how could be ever forget that?

i fail to see how he could justify even a third of the things he did. 'mind control' is an unacceptable excuse.

Obviously you miss the point of mind control here, he had no control over his actions. Do you blame Terra for the things she did while she had a slave crown on? Even if he chose to go against Cecil, he had remorse for his actions. Perhaps you'll probly say the only reason he skipped Rosa's wedding was for the fact he loved her. I suppose it's in the eye of the beholder.

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At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

Quote (AnarchistDream @ 5th November 2003 01:52)

Obviously you miss the point of mind control here, he had no control over his actions. Do you blame Terra for the things she did while she had a slave crown on? Even if he chose to go against Cecil, he had remorse for his actions. Perhaps you'll probly say the only reason he skipped Rosa's wedding was for the fact he loved her. I suppose it's in the eye of the beholder.

There's a difference between Beauty and the struggle between Good and Evil.
The difference between Terra and Cain is that Cain allowed himself to fall to mind-control. I already made my point about that, though.

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My my now from a logo discussion just to who is plain better. Well while everyone disses Kain for falling to mind control and being weak minded. I mean he did exert some of his free will by refusing to become a Dark Knight even if it was loyalty to his father. While for possibly 5 years Cecil was a Dark Knight and even though he was noble he still did some bad things and was remorseful. Kain was also remorseful for his betrayal.

However in Ancient Asian cultures betrayal is considered to be one of the most serious crimes hence the game was made in Japan Kain is made out to have this bad ass image. And why he got a bad rap at times. Cecil only got his squeky clean image after he became a Paladin. But really no one is perfect. What I don't like is Kain being comdemned when Cecil is held in high light just because he is a Paladin.

And Cecil himself remained humble after his transformation. He didn't go around and say I'm a sinner but the light saved me. He just was his self and didn't try to make himself look big. And because he did overcome his demons and triumph. He set an example so people could benefit from his actions. Therefore helping out Kain and setting an example for him. It is for this reason I have alot of respect for Cecil.

Kain didn't really want to be controlled it just kind of happened. Cecil was a dark knight, not a paladin in the beginning. Kain was a dragoon which was not a bad choice because dragoons are not evil. Also, Kain can jump so that is much cooler than just covering somebody.

Quote (Dark Paladin @ 5th November 2003 05:15)

There's a difference between Beauty and the struggle between Good and Evil.
The difference between Terra and Cain is that Cain allowed himself to fall to mind-control. I already made my point about that, though.

i agree 100%. you'll note that terra's actions were ENTIRELY out of her character -- she is innocent to the point of not knowing what love is. kain, on the other hand, while under mind control, did things that he would have WANTED to do regardless (e.g., steal rosa from cecil -- the triangle is better explained in the japanese translation). don't get me wrong. kain is still my favourite character, but it is clear that he always had a rivalry with cecil -- being 'mind-controlled' just allowed him a 'reason' to express that rivalry.

Well if an example of Terra doesn't work than why not the Street fighter anime, Ken wanted to beat Ryu out of competetive (sp?) rivalry. He always wanted to see who was better. In the end it servedagainst him because Bison used it to make him serve Bison in efforts to kill Ryu. I hold the Kain incident in the same manner.

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At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

then ken is equally as bad.

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