Posted: 9th September 2011 17:40
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Cactuar Posts: 250 Joined: 27/8/2003 Awards: |
Head bodyguard to the Princess? Absolutely.
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Post #197266
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Posted: 9th September 2011 22:06
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Dragoon Posts: 1,897 Joined: 22/12/2003 Awards: |
Well, she's certainly a lovely swordfighter and I can't fault her for deserving one on that end, but to make the image worthwhile, it'd have to be done earlier than STQ is available. That'd just leave a player with two scenarios: having an behind-kickin' she-demon who ciphons the difficulty in early chapters OR an outlet to steal her sword a la equipment-stripping, which is kinda the same thing -- who doesn't steal from Gaffy, Alma, etc. while they're guests?
A short quest in Chapter 3 or 4 could work, though, and STQ is a sword I've always enjoyed. Since it's not Chaos Blade-tier brokenness, I'd usually give one to Meliadoul or Beowulf...it does kinda fit their style. It mostly because of the power/effect that I think it fits Agrias, not really the name. -------------------- It's gonna be a glorious day I feel my luck can change |
Post #197272
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Posted: 10th September 2011 00:41
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Treasure Hunter Posts: 65 Joined: 12/7/2011 Awards: |
In a ceremonial sense, she could have had a Save the Queen.
In gameplay sense, it would utterly break the game. Save the Queen is over twice as powerful as the swords that can be obtained while Agrias is in the party initially, meaning that her Holy Sword attacks could easily become one-hit KOs at that point of the game to anything but fully-armoured Knights and some monsters. Possible spoilers: highlight to view Even worse would be if a player was unfortunate enough to pass the Save the Queen to Gafgarion, whose greater power would allow him to inflict greater damage with his Dark Sword ... and utterly devastate the player party when he betrays the party. So I don't think giving Agrias an overpowered weapon would be suitable, at least for gameplay purposes. -------------------- Thank you for taking the time to read this sign. This sign loves you. |
Post #197274
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Posted: 10th September 2011 01:18
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Cactuar Posts: 250 Joined: 27/8/2003 Awards: |
Good point Lily, at that point in the game STQ would be pretty broken.
Possible spoilers: highlight to view . For story purpouses, it would have been appropriate. Although, you do eventually get one from Meliadoul when she joins up. -------------------- A hero is somone who steps up when everyone else backs down. Your greatest adversary hides inside your mirror. |
Post #197275
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Posted: 10th September 2011 06:21
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Holy Swordsman Posts: 2,083 Joined: 18/7/2004 Awards: |
From a storyline/non-gameplay standpoint, I absolutely agree that she should have been given at least Save the Queen; however, I have to agree that from a gameplay standpoint, it would simply muck things up balance-wise.
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Post #197278
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Posted: 10th September 2011 16:16
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Treasure Hunter Posts: 65 Joined: 12/7/2011 Awards: |
It would have certainly been a great idea to give an additional knight sword to the party, as only two are obtainable for use in regular game-play--Excalibur and Save the Queen.
Possible spoilers: highlight to view A Defender as a reward for the battle in which you first see one (long before you get the Save the Queen and Excalibur) would have been a welcome reward.One Ragnarok is easily obtained, but is only available for the final battle. An additional Save the Queen, Excalibur, and Ragnarok as well as the Chaos Blade can be obtained in Deep Dungeon, but they are near-impossible to obtain without guides. Defenders are only obtained by stealing them from Meliadoul or Dycedarg in the battles against them, or rare poaches from the Taiju. Of course, it could just be that the Hokuten are cheap... the semi-generic Knights that are with Agrias have poor equipment even for that point in the game. -------------------- Thank you for taking the time to read this sign. This sign loves you. |
Post #197291
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Posted: 12th September 2011 15:42
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Returner Posts: 8 Joined: 12/9/2011 |
Yeah, she really should have been given StQ. As mentioned above though, it's way too strong for that point, although I do think they should've introduced some Knightswords earlier in the game with less WP and none of the Auto Buffs.
I've always seen it like this: Defender -> Delita Save the Queen -> Agrias Excalibur -> Cid Ragnarok -> Vormav Chaos Blade -> Gabranth (Chaos Blade is one of his swords in FFXII, so it wouldn't be too farfetched to believe it somehow got to Deep Dungeon- but that discussion is for another day.) |
Post #197338
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Posted: 29th October 2011 00:37
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Onion Knight Posts: 32 Joined: 24/5/2008 Awards: |
Interesting thinking point. As for ruining the gameplay, Agrias really isn't that powerful compared to the other special characters, and the game doesn't "level up" with you, anyways. The computer is only at level 60 or so even in the final story line battles.
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Posted: 11th January 2017 02:00
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Quote (Eternal248 @ 12th September 2011 09:42) As mentioned above though, it's way too strong for that point, although I do think they should've introduced some Knightswords earlier in the game with less WP and none of the Auto Buffs. Yeah, that's an interesting point. There's really no need for all of the Knight Swords to be ridiculously OP, they could have certainly crafted one for Agrias to use in the early parts of the plot to befit her status while not breaking the game any more than using her already does. Of course, while she has an important role politically, the deeper politics of Ivalice during the War of the Lions era certainly explains why she's not completely loaded for bear, as becomes more and more obvious as the plot progresses. -------------------- "To create something great, you need the means to make a lot of really bad crap." - Kevin Kelly Why aren't you shopping AmaCoN? |
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Post #211898
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Posted: 4th December 2017 08:02
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Cactuar Posts: 249 Joined: 4/3/2007 Awards: |
She is cheated in Physical Attack power. I'd rather have that buffed over having one weapon. It's the stat responsible for her Holy Sword to dish out damage. I love changing Agrias to a Knight with Holy Sword as secondary for that reason.
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