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Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 20th October 2010 17:03
(The success of this thread at TVT has inspired my making it here.)

What opinions relating to games and gaming do you have that are unpopular?

I'll start. For starters, I think that FFV is far better than FFIV, and I actually enjoy taking the plot of FFV--Exdeath's hamminess and all--seriously. In his defence, he has a right to be that hammy, since he really can kick your ass. And the soundtrack and plot just flow better.

I also prefer the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVqJQNSElAw over either of its two remixes--the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdUbP6G1g2E or the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQxXjR0bEMI.

Additionally, I tend to prefer listening to in-game versions of game music over than arranged performance versions of them.

I'm also not really a fan of lots of battle and character advancement system bells and whistles in (eastern) RPGs. I prefer very streamlined, simple battle systems (such as that of FFIV) over one involving arrangements of stat bonuses and extra abilities from espers, djinns, and the like. (Though I did kinda like Lufia II's special skills.)

What about you?

Posted by: Aeris-Logan 20th October 2010 17:20
I despise the new FF games starting from FFX. I simply can not stand a game that is considered a rpg of some sort to tell you where to go rather than allow you to learn your path.

I think all fps game are horrid. Since Doom and Wolfenstein, it has been a downhill slide in gaming.

Sports games are worthless. I can not see why a company has to release the same game every year with very very very minor changes other than to capitalize on the people that buy them. I understand its a business but I think some game companies could work on other projects instead of copying the same football game over year after year.

Im irritated that most of the continuations of the game series I like are being wasted on hand held systems instead of consoles. God of war, Y's, FF3, Dragon quest, etc. Consoles should be the top possibility for games instead of the last result.

I think I have said enough. ohmy.gif

Posted by: trismegistus 20th October 2010 20:20
Hmmm...I don't know that many opinions to games nowadays, when I was a kid and that type of stuff was really important to me, the main conflicting opinion was Mario vs. Sonic.

I guess my main preconception that sets me apart from my game-playing peers is that I value the individual workers over the brand itself. Is there a Final Fantasy without Uematsu and Sakaguchi? I'm not so sure. I used to get into arguments with a work colleague about this, which always seemed odd to me...when old favourite bands come back and there's only one member of the original group left, people throw a fit. Why do we feel differently with movies and video games?

I agree with Glenn that I prefer the original versions of the game music to remixes, though this is mostly due to me not being much of a fan of techno. Sometimes I enjoy a piano rendition, or orchestral mix, but for the most part I miss those little 16-bit synths.

EDIT: Oh yeah...War of the Lions is a great translation. Like, really, really wonderful.

Posted by: Galsic 20th October 2010 20:55
Despite it's flaws, I still prefer Chrono Cross to Chrono Trigger.

Also, judging from what I've seen here and elsewhere, I think my disdain for Street Fighter 4 is fairly unpopular. Sorry, I just can't get into the blocky, less-fluid nature of the "2.5D" graphics, the cast-wide rehash of old characters (especially the SFII chars), or the slower, "classic" style of play (hadoken hadoken hadoken SHORYUKEN!! thumbdown.gif ). 3rd Strike, I will never stop loving you heart.gif .

Posted by: SilverMaduin 20th October 2010 21:17
I despise the God Of War series.

The gameplay itself is fairly okay, but Kratos is revolting to say the least. I can't stand him to the point nausea.

Also, I believe MMORPGs are the devil - they're fruitless, boring, grind-fest, copy-pasted boredom marathons. While many of them feature some nice gameplay or skill development schemes (SMT:Imagine, City of Heroes) and others are quite pretty in their own right (FFXI, XIV) their nature, as things that lock you into prolonged pointless repetition and demand your time on appointment makes them evil in my eyes. Also, boring.

Posted by: Caesar 20th October 2010 21:26
I am notorious for having the worst taste in games (see this http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/this_is_all_pjs_fault.html at SDA...the first line says it all), and I'm not bashful about it. Although I can at least recognize when a game is bad (Lagoon, Batman Forever, 7th Saga, etc etc etc), I can't help but enjoy playing them. Quite possibly the biggest offender is a SNES game called Mohawk & Headphone Jack which I am forced to speed run via that same SDA thread. Here is a video of level 1-1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrp4OYByyLM

I streamed this game the first time I ever played it and was legitimately enjoying it. The controls are awkward and bad, the powerups are even worse, the music gets tiring, the maps are overly gigantic and make no sense at all, and the difficulty randomly spikes to a huge level around the middle of the game. However, I love this game. Nobody else does. Pretty sure that's an unpopular opinion.

I could go on and on about the horrible games that I love, but that should pretty much sum it all up right there.

Posted by: yelanates 20th October 2010 21:38
I like FF VIII better than FF VII. Mind, I still like VII, but VIII is above it in my internal ranking list.

I also liked the new localization for Tactics: War of the Lions.

Posted by: laszlow 20th October 2010 22:15
I think that every game in the Metal Gear series is an overrated piece of crap. I think that every game in the Shin Megami Tensei series is an overrated piece of crap. I think that every game in the Kingdom Hearts series is an overrated piece of crap. I think that... nevermind, I'll stop.

Posted by: Rangers51 20th October 2010 22:31
Yeah, definitely lots of stuff I disagree with in this thread. smile.gif

Mine is that I can't stand CoD or Halo, or any console FPS, really. It's mainly the community I hate.

Edit
Also, I too love WotL.

Posted by: Kappa the Imp 20th October 2010 22:34
I hate Final Fantasy

Posted by: footbigmike 20th October 2010 23:44
I really dislike Yoski's Island. Yoski is NOT a helicopter, or a train, or a drill.

Sonic 3D on the Genesis Is absolutely brilliant. Sonic Spinball, as frustrating as it was, was quite addictive too.

Street Fighter II is the worst game I've ever played. Forever.
Moderator Edit
This is mostly due to the fact that I beat you every time as M. Bison. - Tiddles


Final Fantasy VI was fairly mediocre in my opinion. Playing XIII again now, and it's much more enjoyable.

Posted by: Chewbekah 21st October 2010 00:25
I'm not a big fan of FF I-V. I love VI-XII skipping VIII. I also hate Super Mario RPG.

Oh yeah and I liked Suikoden IV

Posted by: BlitzSage 21st October 2010 01:26
I don't get Chrono Trigger. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a fine game, well designed and fun, but I don't see why so many people call itthe best game ever made. It always comes up on reader's poll quizzes. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Dragon_Fire 21st October 2010 01:27
I hated Fallout 3 and have a feeling I'll hate Vegas just as much. Similar to R51, I can't stand the Halo or Call of Duty series and, with the possible exception of a guilty pleasure in Gears of War, I loathe pretty much any FPS or TPS played on a console. WASD and a mouse will always trump the awkward, choppy movements of thumb sticks guided by auto-aim.

I love the Dynasty Warrior series, but in particular, the Gundam titles. I've yet to meet anyone else who shares this opinion and it might just be entirely because I love senselessly cutting down endless waves of enemies and, with the Gundam-related games, because I've always been a huge fan of the various series.

Posted by: BlitzSage 21st October 2010 03:40
Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 20th October 2010 21:27)
I hated Fallout 3 and have a feeling I'll hate Vegas just as much. Similar to R51, I can't stand the Halo or Call of Duty series and, with the possible exception of a guilty pleasure in Gears of War, I loathe pretty much any FPS or TPS played on a console. WASD and a mouse will always trump the awkward, choppy movements of thumb sticks guided by auto-aim.

I love the Dynasty Warrior series, but in particular, the Gundam titles. I've yet to meet anyone else who shares this opinion and it might just be entirely because I love senselessly cutting down endless waves of enemies and, with the Gundam-related games, because I've always been a huge fan of the various series.

Ha, there's one Gundam game I played, can't remember which (it's on the PS2), but I remember liking it.

And, another game I've never understood is Tetris. Why do people love that game so much? For me, yeah, it's fun for a couple of seconds. But I've seen many people call that one of the best games ever. I just don't understand that.

Quote (footbigmike)
Final Fantasy VI was fairly mediocre in my opinion. Playing XIII again now, and it's much more enjoyable.


Umm, footbigmike, he said unpopular, not insane.... jk tongue.gif

Posted by: Narratorway 21st October 2010 04:30
I don't like FFVII very much...

Quote (Narratorway @ 7th December 2007 17:11)
As a game, it's perfectly enjoyable and actually one of the better in the franchise.

As a narrative, it's a worthless hodgepodge of anime cliche and pretension.� The characters are two dimensional parading around as 'complex' whenever the script asks of it without making any real explanation for their sudden lapses into overly melodramatic or outright bizarre behavior.

Like the majority of pop culture anime, it's a simple story trying to pass off inconsistency as intelligent and 'deep' and it's a large reason I gather why it's become such a popular game in the series.� It gives you the illusion you're experiencing something thought provoking, even if it's just a silly story under all the fabrication.

Quote (Narratorway @ 26th October 2008 23:03)
As far as I'm concerned, the peak hit in VI.� If you want to know why, you can read about it http://www.cavesofnarshe.com/forums/ipb/index.php?showtopic=11799&view=findpost&p=160238� Basically, I said story/character-wise, FFVII was a sub-standard anime pretending to be a Final Fantasy game.� And you know what...

You guys ate it right up!

Square struck gold with that game and it's all because of those anime fanboys who drool at anything with a spikey-haired character.� So pretty much ever since then, they've been giving us bigger and bigger cg anime movies - complete with all their stylistic and plot cliches - because quite simply, we asked for it.�  So really, we have only ourselves to blame.

Well...not me.� I knew how to quit while I was ahead and stopped at IX.

Quote (Narratorway @ 15th May 2010 16:50)
Going from the wonderful characterizations of [ FFVI ] to FFVII was quite a rude awakening for me, but most everyone else seemed to latch onto it pretty hard since it was targeting a younger audience used to more self-absorbed dickheads as protagonists thanks to the stronger influence of anime at the time.� To be honest, the series has never fully recovered.

Quote (Narratorway @ 14th June 2010 19:38)
The stories were in quick decline after VI and in terms of likeable characters or even relatable in some way, it was like a jump off a cliff (excluding IX, which had the balls to have a main character who wasn't a complete twat).

Quote (Narratorway @ 22nd July 2010 23:15)
I never really thought of it as a bad ending to the story.� It was a mediocre ending to a mediocre tale, but it did come off as unpolished compared to its predecessor.


And I love me FFIX!

Posted by: BlitzSage 21st October 2010 05:32
Quote (Narratorway @ 21st October 2010 00:30)
I don't like FFVII very much...

Is that really an unpopular opinion any more? There are a lot of people that believe that (I'm kind of one of thos ppl in the 'ffvii is overrated' category).

Edit
I love FFIX too.

Posted by: SilverMaduin 21st October 2010 05:49
Quote (laszlow @ 21st October 2010 00:15)
I think that every game in the Shin Megami Tensei series is an overrated piece of crap.

Every single one? IIRC, Shin Megami Tensei had something around a bazillion games, so I daresay AT LEAST ONE has got to be not overrated.

But I digress.

Quote (Dragon_Fire)
I hated Fallout 3 and have a feeling I'll hate Vegas just as much.


I didn't like Fallout 3, even if it was a pretty good Elder Scrolls.

I love New Vegas.


Also, like NP and BlitzSage, I loves me some FF9 biggrin.gif

Posted by: dont chocobos rule? 21st October 2010 07:12
unpopular opinoins, lets see...

ive grown to really not like ff vi, dunno when it happened, it just hit me that i wasnt having fun. dont like ff x, x-2, or ff xiii for that matter, one of my favorite games in the series is viii, though its been eclipsed by tactics and xii.

im fine with xi and xiv being in the main series, i cant see why they cant be, seeing as most ffs have nothing to do with eachother, why cant a couple ones be more different than the others?

i like the ps3, i love the playstation move and i really dont like nintendo that much. dont like mario, im iffy on the new metroid games (super metroid was amazing though), zelda is fantastic, dont like starfox etc. that being said i will most likely get a 3DS so i can play kingdom hearts. i also really hate the xbox, not just because im a sony fanboy, but its an incredibly overrated system.

i love this new 3D technology stuff. i like 3D movies (when done properly, none of this last airbender crap), and i want a 3D tv so bad.

i think thats good for now.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 21st October 2010 11:24
HOLY MOTHER OF something...

There are a ton of things that i agree with on with people like:

I despise the new FF games starting from FFX. I simply can not stand a game that is considered a rpg of some sort to tell you where to go rather than allow you to learn your path.

I think all fps game are horrid. Since Doom and Wolfenstein, it has been a downhill slide in gaming.

Sports games are worthless. I can not see why a company has to release the same game every year with very very very minor changes other than to capitalize on the people that buy them. I understand its a business but I think some game companies could work on other projects instead of copying the same football game over year after year.

This sums up a lot of how i feel about sports games and fps perfectly aerris logan.

We can both agree on that

Additionally, I tend to prefer listening to in-game versions of game music over than arranged performance versions of them.

This one i agree on most of the time glenn.

Also, I believe MMORPGs are the devil - they're fruitless, boring, grind-fest, copy-pasted boredom marathons. While many of them feature some nice gameplay or skill development schemes (SMT:Imagine, City of Heroes) and others are quite pretty in their own right (FFXI, XIV) their nature, as things that lock you into prolonged pointless repetition and demand your time on appointment makes them evil in my eyes. Also, boring.

silver maduin just sumed up how i feel in perfect words about mmorpgs.

Boring repetitive gameplay not much story.

Most mmorpgs are so similar in gameplay.

But i kind of understand it as they want money.

I can't help but enjoy playing them. Quite possibly the biggest offender is a SNES game called Mohawk & Headphone Jack which I am forced to speed run via that same SDA thread. Here is a video of level 1-1:

Caesar,i know how you feel.

You know a game isn't very good but it can still be fun depending on the thing about it.

Sums up how i sometimes feel about cerain games that i know has some stuff that are still fairly enjoyable even though you know they aren't the best.

Secret of mana was listed in one video as overrated and called worse game ever.

I disagree and think its not a bad game at all,its a fairly enjoyable game and i do admit its not the best story/character development.

Its pretty basic character and story development.


I don't get Chrono Trigger. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a fine game, well designed and fun, but I don't see why so many people call itthe best game ever made.

I understand you and agree completely with you blitzsage.

I saw this guy who was bashing ff7 and praising chrono trigger and complaining that kingdom hearts didn't put chrono or magus in the game.

Chrono doesn't even have a personality per say,everybody else speaks most of the time.

The characters themselves are not bad,but i wouldn't say that the development is the best.

Its a pretty good game for snes era and i wouldn't mind owning it and i would definitely replay it a lot,but i hardly think its the best.

Unpopular thoughts of my own:I think doom halo and even metal gear solid 4 are overrated.

I think ff7 is the most overrated game ever made and cloud and sephiroth the worse hero/villain combo.

They are badly developed and get way too much credit when there are far better characters.

FF8 characters leave little impression on me and the gameplay is tedious,it can be a little overrated and overhyped by some fanboys,i think it is actually worse than ff7 in my opinion.

FF9 is an ok game,i didn't care that much for the story.

I liked the characters but i disliked quina and eiko and dagger.

I liked steiner blank and marco.

Another unopular opinion of mine? I think that metal gear solid 2 is underrated because of the amount of sheer hatred it gets.

I liked resident evil 4 a little and really disliked resident evil 5.

I like oblivion for its gameplay because of the amount of diversity,but i hate the bugs in it.

oblivion has way too many pathing bugs.

The most annoying for me is:The needing to change to french because in the english language there is a programming error and the quest woman for giving in the blood grass won't accept it.

There is also a weird pathing error where i went to an alchemist in the imperial city and she ran out and got killed by a guard.I kept having to reload to save her and she would just run into another building.

I don't know why the guards did this but its not normal.

Another strange thing:Items in stores would not respawn to steal them again and sell for money.

Another problem that is non bug related:The game's dungeons are extremely repetitive.

Call me crazy if you want,but fallout 3 dungeons were never so monotonous and repetitive as in oblivion and its literally full of copy paste dungeons that look alike.


Posted by: laszlow 21st October 2010 13:29
SilverMaduin:

Mostly from the prodding of friends, I've played Revelations: Persona, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, Persona 3: FES, SMT: Nocturne, and SMT: Digital Devil Saga 2. All of them ranged from piece of crap to "why does everyone say this game is so good when it's basically average and boring." I own two of the ones I mentioned, so I might try them again some time in the future, in case I forget that they're boring.

I also don't like any Fallout game, I think I've mentioned that here before. The only western RPGs that I've played and really like are the Diablo series, Baldur's Gate 2, Sacred 1, Torchlight, and Anachronox (if that counts).

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 21st October 2010 20:13
Re Chewbekah: How can you hate Mario RPG? It's not the greatest story ever told or the greatest battle system ever created, but it's one of the most fun games I've ever played!

Re Magitek_slayer: I think most of us more "regular" gamers don't like sports games either. smile.gif

Posted by: Chewbekah 22nd October 2010 02:01
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 21st October 2010 04:24)
I despise the new FF games starting from FFX. I simply can not stand a game that is considered a rpg of some sort to tell you where to go rather than allow you to learn your path.



Um, most RPGs at least give you a hint of where to go. No one is dropped into a world and basically been required to "figure it all out". In fact the only RPG I can even think of that is too linear that doesn't let you do anything on your own is FFXIII. Can you give an example of a game that "lets you learn your own path?"


Glenn Magus Harvey: I probably should try it again because I didn't like Paper Mario the first time played it but then I ended up liking it.

Oh and here's a really unpopular gaming opinion. I feel that Nintendo has yet again failed me as a gamer with their current system. I'm feeling much like the days of the N64. Sure, there were a couple really cool titles like Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Mario Tennis, Paper Mario, and Star Fox 64, and Mario Party.
But I wanted in depth RPGs like the SNES had. I wanted side-scrolling street fighters or a decent fighting game. I feel the same about the Wii. Sure there are a few good games to play for like a few minutes but nothing that really pulls me in. And I want to play them with a freakin' normal controller. And I didn't drop $250 so I could buy old games, most of which I have on my Super Nintendo and NES that still work or that I can still quite easily emulate on my computer or Dreamcast.

In contrast to this because I love Sony and loved the PS1 and PS2 and PSP. I regret buying my PS3 and wish I had bought an XBox 360 and the only thing that's keeping me from hocking the damn thing right now is the hope of there being a Suikoden game on the system. And also FFXIV which much to my dismay doesn't come out until March of 2011. So I pretty much have this overly expensive blue-ray player of which I own no blue ray movies to watch movies on. There I said it.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 22nd October 2010 02:59
^ Oh, I see, yeah, if you like fighting games. I'm not a fan of fighting games, except possibly for Smash because I can run around and use obstacles to dodge stuff.

Lack of a normal controller is a bit of a drag, but I haven't tried to use the wiimote as a normal controller enough to say whether it'd work as one.

That said, the only Wii games I currently want, apart from VC and WiiWare games, are stuff like the Metroid, Fire Emblem, and Endless Ocean. Possibly Twilight Princess, but I feel that I prefer the GC version where Link is actually left-handed. And possibly that Dragon Quest game when it comes out. Can someone tell me how well I could play these games if I only had the Wiimote and nunchuck?

Posted by: Aeris-Logan 22nd October 2010 02:59
Lol thats twice that poor Magitek Slayer is being quoted when he is quoting me.

Most older style RPGs give you lots more freedom than the newer pretty games. Phantasy star series for one ... Dragon warrior games to an extent. Most of the pre X final fantasy games ... A lot of the Ultima games ...on and on. It gives you a chance to learn what you can and can not do instead of forcing you to follow a line. Im a stubborn player. I have a very narrowed way of thinking as far as the RPGs I like. I really liked FF games but once they went to the PS2 and on, I have been disappointed. I remember someone on here before mentioned that this was actually the path the original creators wanted to do. I just wish they had this train of thought on a different genre of games instead of the stuff I would be interested.

Going to add a one more unpopular opinion. Zelda and Metroid games went the way of the dodo to me as well. I guess I really am stubborn. When a game comes out with a certain "style", thats the crowd you are selling to. When you take the name of the game after the style has been established and totally change it (Zelda to a more 3d, Metroid to more of a 1st person), its upsetting to me cause thats not the style I wanted. sad.gif

Posted by: R8.50 Mango 22nd October 2010 09:16
I have a pretty unpopular opinion in games. I Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate FFIV. Mind control: Cliche, Battle system: Like a man dying of TB, Characters: Wooden, Cid: The worst one in the series, Cecil: Worst fecking protagonist ever. I understand that people like this game because of nostalgia, but that is the only reason I could ever understand. This game put me off Final Fantasy for 3 years.

I've got another one, one that may get me shot. I like Ultro*is shot*

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 22nd October 2010 12:21
Quote (R8.50 Mango @ 22nd October 2010 09:16)
I have a pretty unpopular opinion in games. I Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate FFIV. Mind control: Cliche, Battle system: Like a man dying of TB, Characters: Wooden, Cid: The worst one in the series, Cecil: Worst fecking protagonist ever. I understand that people like this game because of nostalgia, but that is the only reason I could ever understand. This game put me off Final Fantasy for 3 years.

FF4 was one of the 4 new ones and first one to have better development after the nes era.

FF1 on the nes had no character development whatsoever.
FF2 on the nes had character development but they kept killing off characters and you never got to like them because they weren't developed,they were just plot convenient add on characters.

And third:When leon joins you,its extremely badly done.

This game is legendary for plot convenience and clich�.

Even for its day it is extremely clich�.

The gameplay furthermore was horrid due to having badly balanced game.

You had:enemies who were too tough and bosses who were too easy.

Seriously,the dragons were a joke.

I could cast toad and mini on almost every boss in this game and insta kill.

Then you have the final boss who lasts 4 hits,i mean WHAT ON EARTH WERE THEY THINKING? seriously,that was more pathetic than dragon quest 8 final boss who was also a joke.

Not to mention,why would you invite someone in your party who already betrays you and tries to conquer the world? seriously,did they forget that leon tried to destroy the world?

Its like:ok you tried the conquer the world but now you are good,i would never trust someone that easily if they tried to conquer the world,what if he tries again and betrays the team?

FF3 nes:not so good gameplay fun towns good music in some areas and zero character development.

I mean it,you can't tell between the heroes in personality because they have none

FF4:it has its flaws but its a huge and i mean HUGE improvement.

The characters are not as developed as in ff6,but give them a break,its a big improvement over ff3 on the nes and ff2.

First of all,cecil does have development.

He is repenting that he blindly follows order and that the repercussions.
He opens his eyes and discovers that he was a pawn and used to do evil things and wants to repent and undo the damage he done starting with the village of mesidia.

Rydia is afraid of fire because cecil was used and told to take a bomb package to the village and the destruction of the village devastated her emotionally.

And as for cid:I always loved cid in ff4.
He's just plain insane.

I mean:jumping from a ship to fix it and blow it up?

Ok here comes the flaws:how did cid survive the ship explosion? good point.

The game has parts that defy logic.

Like:Walking on the moon with no atmosphere
Cid surviving an explosion and a huge fall from a sip
Yang surviving an explosion in the cannon room.

I cannot answer these questions,i guess it is like cartoons?

In cartoons,characters who you don't want to kill off survive instances that normally are impossible.

Like:explosions and they come out blackened and coughing dust.

FF7 on the other hand,is the most overrated game ever made.

my unpopular opinion is:i hate cloud strife and sephiroth,both of them are under developed as is most of the members of avalanche.

In fact,most of avalanche team is so bland and under developed due to focus,that you could swap roles and people wouldn't know
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Sephiroth was actually less developed than jenova in my opinion.

Jenova appeared more often and had a more vital role in most of the game than he did,all we see of him is in flashbacks saying 1 or 2 lines or doing nothing but posing.

He has next to no dialog and this hurts him as a villain and next to no build up.

In truth,the main villain is really jenova and hojo because if it wasn't for hojo and shinra,i guarantee that the sephiroth instance would never happen.

Furthermore:squeenix uses sephiroth and cloud as cash cows that they are to make more money by making cloud even more boring and uninteresting events.

Personally,i think that they should stop making anything related to ff7 unless they plan to make a good ff7 remake.

What i mean is:include all of crisis core info advent children info dirge of cerberus info and such to actually develop characters and make them more interesting instead of leaving plotholes to then milk it for more money.

The topic also wouldn't be so heated if fanboys realized that ff7 is far from perfect and has more flaws than mentioned and the game itself is mediocre at best.

The problem though isn't liking it,its liking it too much.

Its one thing to say:FF7 is your favorite game ever to saying:FF7 is da best EVAR!! and anyone who disagrees with me is stupid and i'l troll them and attack them call them stupid and accuse them of not playing ff7 when it was new or being a bandwaggoner.

See where i am going folks? I got friends on youtube who love ff7 but admit it isn't perfect and i said to them:The fanboys are giving ff7 fans a bad name with their stupidity and ignorance.

ff7 is not a bad game but it is definitely the most overrated game of all time,even halo doesn't get this much praise.



Posted by: Chewbekah 23rd October 2010 00:02
Quote (R8.50 Mango @ 22nd October 2010 02:16)
I have a pretty unpopular opinion in games. I Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate FFIV. Mind control: Cliche, Battle system: Like a man dying of TB, Characters: Wooden, Cid: The worst one in the series, Cecil: Worst fecking protagonist ever. I understand that people like this game because of nostalgia, but that is the only reason I could ever understand. This game put me off Final Fantasy for 3 years.

I played VI before I ever played IV so I feel the same way though not quite to that extreme. It had a very cheezy feel to it in comparison.

Posted by: ElPanachino 23rd October 2010 02:53
Quote (laszlow @ 20th October 2010 18:15)
I think that every game in the Kingdom Hearts series is an overrated piece of crap.

I wasn't going to use as harsh language, but you pretty much beat me to this. You know how much I despise the Kingdom Hearts series. I wouldn't mind a game with KH's gameplay based in a pure FF world. I also would not dislike the series as much if it was a pure Disney game, though I still wouldn't play it.

Possible spoilers: highlight to view
My main problem with the series is that they did not represent the FF series well at all. They turned some FF characters into kids. Aeris is alive and well but Auron is dead. Cloud has that lame single bat wing. Setzer looks like a party magician. Yuna, Rikku, and Paine are fairies. It just doesn't make sense that they represented Disney characters fairly accurately but decided they had free license to butcher FF characters in this game. Also, why are there no FF worlds to visit?


Furthermore, I can't stand Sora's character design (or any of the KH-specific characters) and I can't stand that stupid keyblade.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 23rd October 2010 11:59
Hmm call me crazy but,i actually didn't dislike the first kingdom hearts,though i never played the other ones.


Posted by: Death Penalty 23rd October 2010 12:58
I like FFVIII. Quite a bit. biggrin.gif

Also, I've never played a KH game, and I really don't feel any motivation to either.

Posted by: Smash Genesis 23rd October 2010 14:18
I think the Wii is better than the PS3 and the 360, and that the DS pwns them all.





...Don't judge me, okay?

Posted by: BlitzSage 23rd October 2010 15:29
Quote (Smash Genesis @ 23rd October 2010 10:18)
I think the Wii is better than the PS3 and the 360, and that the DS pwns them all.





...Don't judge me, okay?

The sales numbers definitely won't. But I agree. When you think about it, it has the best games. Not just new, but classic, on the Virtual Console.

Posted by: Aeris-Logan 23rd October 2010 17:44
I think the Virtual console is fantastic.

But the DS (or any handheld) is horrible. I have already mentioned my hatred for handheld systems so I wont say anymore.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 28th October 2010 18:25
More unpopular opinions of mine:

Mega Man 2 is far overrated. It's unbalanced, it's got bad level design (between the Crash Bombs boss, and the Wily Alien being weak to ONLY Bubble Lead, and Quick Man's stage...yeah), it has no slide, and the music could be better. And the bosses don't even have invincibility timeouts.

Mega Man 4, 5, and 6 are the best MM games. In level design, in weapon choices (generally), and in music.

The X series plot is laughable. I'll grant that it was a decent attempt at making the series "grow a beard", but the result is rather silly at times. Why the heck is Zero falling in love with Iris, for example? Just for Angst's sake?

The X series should have ended with 5 because that's where Inafking intended it to end.

Mega Man Zero 1 kinda sucks. It's an okay game, but nothing terribly awesome about it.

However, Mega Man ZX is extremely awesome. I loved the generally hopeful tone of the game's story, especially in stark contrast to that of Z1. The soundtrack is also much better.

The Battle Network is pretty cool.

And finally, Mega Man II (for Game Boy) actually has decent music, even if rather high-pitched.

Posted by: laszlow 28th October 2010 18:32
Hehe, while we're on Mega Man...

Every Mega Man Zero, Mega Man Battle Network, Mega Man Star Force, or Mega Man ZX game is basically worthless. They're challenging, but soulless.

The Mega Man X games are excellent in gameplay, presentation, and variety, but their storyline is weak at best. Not challenging that claim. This is not unpopular, but X1-X4 = awesome, X5 = flawed, but not awful, X6-7 = garbage, X8 = flawed, but not awful.

The best Mega Man classic game is Mega Man V for the Game Boy (!?). Breaks series' traditions, but keeps the style. Storyline successfully breaks some new MM ground in small ways, and fantastic endgame (especially compared to a normal MM endgame). Behind V is probably 4, 6, 9, 10, and IV. I'm drinking the new Kool-Aid and deciding that 9 and 10 are fantastic.

Posted by: R8.50 Mango 28th October 2010 19:40
I keep remembering these opinions and then forgetting them!

I do remember the one though. I don't think that Battle On The Big Bridge is the be-*shot, then stabbed, burned, eaten, excreted and burned again by anyone who has played FFV ever*

*returns as zombie* -st song in the game. I've heard the damn thing too much, on Dissidia especially. I found the Home Sweet Home track to actually be the best FFV track with the Evil Lord Exdeath following closely behind. Now where's some BRAAAAAAIIIIIIIINSSS!!!!!

Posted by: Del S 28th October 2010 22:12
Quote (ElPanachino @ 23rd October 2010 02:53)
Quote (laszlow @ 20th October 2010 18:15)
I think that every game in the Kingdom Hearts series is an overrated piece of crap.

I wasn't going to use as harsh language, but you pretty much beat me to this. You know how much I despise the Kingdom Hearts series. I wouldn't mind a game with KH's gameplay based in a pure FF world. I also would not dislike the series as much if it was a pure Disney game, though I still wouldn't play it.

Huh, I'd have used harsher...

Quote (laszlow @ 20th October 2010 22:15)
I think that every game in the Metal Gear series is an overrated piece of crap. 

I would have disagreed, but come to think of it, yeah. Even though I enjoy them myself, I know exactly why they have detractors and I can see that, in fairness, they are a little bit overrated.

Anyway, my own unpopular views. Whoever made this, may have not thought this one through...

I dislike Nintendo. Not a great shock, but frankly, I have very little love for anything they make that's not a handheld. They repeat the same things over and over even on those handhelds, their main consoles are about 90% shovelware and cut down PS2/PS3/XBox ports. They have been behind the rise of motion sensitive nonsense and that's my next point.

I hate motion sensitive nonsense. It was a gimmick that is now trying to be shoehorned into everything that moves. Sony and Microsoft have used it as life support for two consoles that should by this point at least have whispers of a next generation.

On a more positive note though, something I do like that some people don't. Silent Protagonists. Now, it's hardly unpopular, but I feel that the storytelling of games like Half Life and Call of Duty is more immersive than over the shoulder storytelling. Not all stories work with it, true, not all game types can work with it, but seeing the story from the eyes of someone there and not just following them as a floating space ghost puppeteer is IMO just better.

I enjoy console FPS games. Yes, I still prefer mouse/keyboard, but for me, a console FPS is usually just simple fun. Blunted these days by the fact no one seems to code bots into a skirmish mode and thinks everyone prefers to go online.

I enjoy taking on AI bots. Not just because of skill: true, I can't hit the broad side of a barn in most FPS games, and I have the tactical awareness of a wet sponge in most RTS games, but it seems to me that new games miss out on the simple of joy of bot based idiocy, and that there's no real way for offline practice in most games.

I dislike multiplayer games mostly. The nature of the beast is such that every second random is a complete moron. Either with a jumped up sense of ego, attempting to impose their version of fun on everyone, or just a complete muppet who runs around doing everything wrong in a crap attempt at griefing.

I therefore greatly dislike MMORPGs. Their subscription based nature, the fact they're just cheap mass produced dross, the fact they lack any real immersion for me in terms of story, and the gameplay is the same thing rinsed and repeated... Just urgh. And there's the fact all of them are either follow the leader of WoW, or just poor efforts to break the mould somehow. I admit though, I would gladly try any Starcraft MMO.

This one is bound to annoy some people, but I do not regard the music of Final Fantasy highly. Sure, there's the odd good song, but frankly, FF's soundtrack, from every era, isn't high on the list of great music for me.

I hate obvious linearity. Now, I do play linear games, Call of Duty and Half-Life for example. But those games have something to draw you in and either ignore or accept the linear nature of it all. I like an illusion of choice, be it sidequests, mini-missions, or just a fun story/game to draw you in.

I hate FF13 was going to be one of the opinions, but I guess that's not unpopular anymore since it's divided the fanbase as if it were a 32bit+ Sonic the Hedgehog game. Besides, I've moaned about that game enough.

I really dislike the poor application of firearms in many games, primarily the FF series, but in others too. Not just they become underpowered in RPGs, and the sword becomes mysteriously better, but the fact that for "balance" there are arbitrary and confusing differences between guns that by all rights, in the real world, will do the same thing. Why should the MP5 be stronger hitting from one round than an Uzi when both have similar ballistics and fire the same round? Surely it's not too tricky to have the bullet define the power of the shot, and the weapon type serve as a modifier. Gun A fires Bullet A, Gun B fires Bullet A, Gun A is more accurate, Gun B has a higher Rate of Fire.

On a related note, I dislike how ungrounded most jRPGs are in reality. Not our reality, but their own. More than one decides to hope people ignore things that contradict the universe of the game. And when I see something like that, it annoys me. It also annoys me when something is shown in game like swords being a better weapon, when nothing outside of battle indicates that there is any viable reason this should be so.

I greatly dislike the Kingdom Hearts series. I played the first, and to be honest, it wasn't so good. It really felt like bad crossover fanfiction in story terms, and gameplay wasn't too hot either. Characters were dull, and this was where I really began to dislike the designs and the sheer impracticality of much of the weapons and appearances of FF characters.

I prefer boring but practical to the "cool" and "awesome". Sometimes you get something cool and practical for a given role. But given that the stuff that becomes jack of all trades in a lot of RPGs is by all rights a very specialist, situational set of equipment, it's a little jarring. Clothing of the average FF character leaves much to be desired in terms of sensibility. All the loose belts, ropes, pointless pouches and tassels will snag. Rings on fingers, earrings, etc, all possible routes to serious injury when fighting, say, a giant ball of spikes or something.

I therefore dislike the constant influences of pointless, trivial, and flashy scenes in later FF games. All because you have the ability to make Cloud jump a hundred feet in the air in defiance of natural law (which, as noted above, there has thus far been nothing to indicate that this is even plausible in universe until you threw the DBZ bollocks in) does not mean you should

I also dislike the influence of anime in videogames. Not a shock it happens, but personally I'd rather the Japanese market did something to become distinct. There's far too much pointless talking the enemy to death, too much senseless calling of attacks and all that. If you're going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.

I dislike the overuse or misuse of clich�. I prefer attempts at subversion, or approaches that don't light the clich� up in fifty foot neon letters and a hyperlink to the relevant page on TV tropes. Clich� is not as such bad, but must be used carefully.

And lastly... I hate it being clear cut. I hate the same thing applying every time. I hate being told side A is good, side B is evil. I like grey and grey. It's much more fun to wonder if the "bad guys" really are bad. Are NOD truly the nasty scum of the Tiberian universe? Are the Helghast really that bad?

Anyway, that's it. And no doubt, the fact most of that contradicts itself or is rambling is why it's unpopular. biggrin.gif



Posted by: Death Penalty 29th October 2010 04:39
A few more opinions:

First, to elaborate on one of the things I said last time. I'm not a fan of the Kingdom Hearts series (conceptually: I haven't actually played it). It just seems like a bad idea to me. Maybe the games are of good quality, but I just can't get beyond the disney characters.

I dislike everything about FFV. Now, there's a pretty large number of people that share this opinion. The difference is that I don't like the game at all. I'm not even impressed by its battle system. It seems like low quality game in all respects, especially when sandwiched by two great titles.

I also hate motion stuff. It just gives rise to silly games without substance. Not to mention the fact that I usually play videogames under one or both of two conditions: sore from training or tired from work. In either case, I'm not terribly motivated to do any moving at all.

I can't stand handhelds. I'm not exactly sure why in this case: I like the idea of being able to play a game while on the move or when I don't have access to a console, but with handhelds I just feel like the magic of the game is lost. I don't get into the plot or the characters nearly as much, and the whole experience just seems more shallow.

Posted by: ZidaneTribal 29th October 2010 05:41
I dislike Crisis Core alot. Same with Dissidia and Final Fantasy X. I also dislike The Legend of Zelda and Super Mario games. I just don't get... what's so awesome about them. wink.gif I told somebody that I didn't like Zelda one time and he almost died of a heart attack from shock....

Posted by: BlitzSage 29th October 2010 18:36
Quote (ZidaneTribal @ 29th October 2010 01:41)
I also dislike The Legend of Zelda and Super Mario games.

Well, I don't go that far. But I do often say that I think DKC is a better platformer series. DKC2, in particular, is in my top three all time.

Posted by: Aeris-Logan 29th October 2010 18:53
I like Zelda and Zelda : Link to the past. Every other console version of Zelda is blah. Its just like everything else. "Make it pretty, who cares about anything else".

Mario bros are blah too. 3 on the NES and the latest Wii version were okay, the rest had almost no replayability. But Im glad they havent went the way of pretty vs play.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 29th October 2010 18:58
Re R8.50 Mango:

I also am not a huge fan of Battle on the Bridge. It sounds a bit too happy sometimes.

It's a nice track, but it is FAR overshadowed by the epic, ominous, and driving sound of Exdeath's battle theme.

Posted by: dont chocobos rule? 30th October 2010 00:15
i really hate the wii. i think it has absolutely no place in the video game market as the other two consoles do what it does but better. the games are garbage save a few exceptions, the controller is buggy, and the virtual console is highly overrated.

Posted by: Quad 30th October 2010 05:42
Quote (Dragon_Fire @ 20th October 2010 20:27)
I hated Fallout 3 and have a feeling I'll hate Vegas just as much. Similar to R51, I can't stand the Halo or Call of Duty series and, with the possible exception of a guilty pleasure in Gears of War, I loathe pretty much any FPS or TPS played on a console. WASD and a mouse will always trump the awkward, choppy movements of thumb sticks guided by auto-aim.

I love the Dynasty Warrior series, but in particular, the Gundam titles. I've yet to meet anyone else who shares this opinion and it might just be entirely because I love senselessly cutting down endless waves of enemies and, with the Gundam-related games, because I've always been a huge fan of the various series.

Haven't played Fallout, but I really dislike Halo. Actually, that's not true. I just hate the hype. Halo's okay, but it's just plain not the best game ever and certainly not worth being the monolith of a series that it is.

Oh, and Dynasty Warriors is fantastic. Haven't played the gundam ones either but, seriously, Dynasty Warriors was so good that I actually went out, bought, and read Romance of the Three Kingdoms because I liked the story so much.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 31st October 2010 02:53
Re DCR's post two posts up:

Has anyone played Endless Ocean?

That's the first Wii game that I've been interested in that isn't a franchise game (i.e. a Zelda, Dragon Quest, Fire Emblem, Metroid, etc. game), and it seems to make use of its quirky controls and actually involve some decent depth (of gameplay experience and beneath sea surface).

I'd like to see if these "quirky" Wii games actually live up to the hype, for y'all fellow gamers.

On the other hand, though, I definitely have seen former non-gamers and now casual gamers--such as a middle-aged town councilwoman in my town--who are big fans of Wii games that we more traditional gamers would probably not focus on much and consider to be just bunches of minigames.

Posted by: Tonepoet 31st October 2010 19:00
It's not so much gaming specific but it can still apply. I personally think vendoring stuff online sucks. Yeah sure, it's [initially] cheaper and awfully convenient but it cripples the aftermarket by eliminating physical media and hence any right to first sale doctrine. A lot of classics and potential sleeper hits have the potential to be forever lost to the ages, much as Bandai Satellite games effectively are and possibly some original version xBox Live games as well.

It's a thought that drives me absolutely batty, as most of my video games are after market purchases that I would've never had the chance to know about or play otherwise. I did not have an SNES when it came out and what really quite sucks even worse is that I didn't have a viable means of paying for a catalog order either (the latter of which is much of why I'm so late playing the Touhou games, which are exclusively available in japan otherwise.)

Game companies don't care and may in fact prefer this system because they only derive direct profit from principal buyers. I'd argue that we, the customers, should though:

Consider for a moment that most video game consoles have hundreds, if not thousands of games that we might never be able to exhaust during their lifespans. We might not even know they exist, at the time of their release. With this in mind, not all good games may sell well during their initial run and may never stand a chance to be run again if there's no market interest. Also consider that there's a good chance that there won't be any market interest to see a second run of a game nobody seemed to like. Still not caring?

Well perhaps you might, when you consider the fact that much beloved games like Super Mario RPG and Earthbound fit this criteria to a tee, with each respective title being something of a sleeper hit selling poorly in its own era. If they were limited to the current system of digital downloads, scarcely anybody would even know they exist. Mother 3 probably would've never existed if it wasn't for the aftermarket success of Earthbound and there wouldn't be a Ness/Claus in Smash Bros. either. I dunno if the same holds true for the Paper Mario series but it seems rather likely.

Also important to me but not quite as much as other factors: Let's say I do buy a Playstation Network game. It would be bound to my Playstation 3. This means if anything should just so happen to my Playstation 3 after the network goes down, all of the games I purchased off of the network disappear off into the aether! The backup utility doesn't allow restoration to another unit, to my knowledge.

A similar problem arises for games that require you to be logged into the network while playing because once the network or your net connection goes down, the game rejects your advances with more conviction than the Azumanga Daioh girls reject Kimura's. This isn't a problem with other downloadable media such as music, since it's relatively easy to back up and not locked down with DRM like video games are. At least not until cloud computing marks the return of mainframe/client service where we don't "own a copy" of the media but rather "have license to access it."

I consider this an unpopular opinion because most techno-nerds seem to approve of eliminating physical media in favor of digital downloads. The reasons from this include the aforementioned convenience in purchasing, making room for more hardware and elimination of middle man related production costs for a market where overall, only the latest and greatest matters for practical applications (who cares if MSword5 doesn't work on a computer, so long as the .doc can be read). Even those in favor of current physical media formats, typically only see them primarily as an intermediary step until we have the bandwidth to stream content on demand. Where are all of the anthropologists, historians and archivists? Oh right, they're all too stuck in the past to be concerned about the wave of the future. sad.gif

Provisions for the transfer via HDSD cards or similar media would be nice. They're small and they don't scratch. However HDSD cards are often considered cost prohibitive. It seems to work for the Nintendo DS though.

Posted by: InsaneVisionary 31st October 2010 21:12
I actually thought that Sonic unleashed was a good game. The game gets way too much scrutiny for having a werehog. Sure those segments of the game werent anywhere near the day stages but that is pure nitpicking. The day stages were enough to keep me coming back to the game.

The boost mechanic was a very interesting way to evoke speed and ring management into standard gameplay. I found that the interface was very user friendly and that the game itself was one of the best sonic games since Sonic Adventure. If people are going to nitpick about things like werehogs and green eyes then that is their issue, however Sonic Unleashed is a great game that I would recommend to anyone who is a serious sonic fan and is unphased by silly things such as character design.

Posted by: dont chocobos rule? 1st November 2010 03:44
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 30th October 2010 21:53)
Re DCR's post two posts up:

Has anyone played Endless Ocean?

That's the first Wii game that I've been interested in that isn't a franchise game (i.e. a Zelda, Dragon Quest, Fire Emblem, Metroid, etc. game), and it seems to make use of its quirky controls and actually involve some decent depth (of gameplay experience and beneath sea surface).

I'd like to see if these "quirky" Wii games actually live up to the hype, for y'all fellow gamers.

On the other hand, though, I definitely have seen former non-gamers and now casual gamers--such as a middle-aged town councilwoman in my town--who are big fans of Wii games that we more traditional gamers would probably not focus on much and consider to be just bunches of minigames.

i had no patience for endless ocean it just didnt appeal to me, but i do love quirky games such as Flower.

the only wii games i enjoyed were twilight princess, the prime games (with the wii controls), and super smash bros. no others have made me think "wow, what a quality piece of hardware, i think i might buy one of these systems." i wouldnt be bothered if the wii went away.

Posted by: Miss Ronin 2nd November 2010 13:51
Here's one that's pretty unpopular:

I like effeminate male characters, and I think that people who complain about them are making a big deal about nothing�especially since more often than not there is also more masculine male characters in the mix as well. I think it's great that we sometimes get a more feminine male in the lead role, as opposed to the tired old muscle bound meat heads that have taken the spotlight for so long. Just because you're feminine, doesn't mean you can't be a capable fighter too.

Posted by: Rangers51 2nd November 2010 14:15
Quote (Ronin @ 2nd November 2010 08:51)
I like effeminate male characters, and I think that people who complain about them are making a big deal about nothing

You know, I like that. I don't think it makes any sense to get hung up over it one way or another, personally. It's about what the character does, not how they act or sound.

Anyway, I just rediscovered one that I had forgotten about, thanks to mass whining over at Kotaku: I really don't care that Microsoft is bumping the price of XBL Gold (or whatever they're calling it now).

Here's why:

  • I don't play online anyway - maybe once a month. That means that paying for the service for online gaming (as opposed to PS3) was already a bad deal for me.
  • The bump in fee comes up to be under a dollar a month. Pay it or sell your Xbox if you can't afford that dollar a month on your $300 console.
  • I do use the added content that Microsoft offers on XBL. I use Netflix probably twelve hours a week (and the 360 streams Netflix much better than my far more expensive surround sound box). I use Facebook to view photos that I have online - it's a lot more convenient than getting out photo albums for friends or for my wife and I to look at. I use last.fm to listen to music. I will use ESPN a lot as soon as they start offering live games on it, not just clips. If you don't have any use for those things, great, but stop acting like everyone uses their Xbox just to play Halo like you.
  • Nobody pays full retail for their XBL membership unless they're dense. If you shop AmaCoN, you can quite often find 12 or 14-month cards for well under what Microsoft charges online.


Seriously, if this increase in cost makes you hate the fact that you have an Xbox, let me know. I'll be willing to buy it from you cheap if it has a decent hard drive, as I wouldn't mind having a second for my office. smile.gif

Posted by: Miss Ronin 2nd November 2010 14:22
Quote (Rangers51 @ 2nd November 2010 09:15)
I use Netflix probably twelve hours a week

Wow. That's quite a lot of Netflix hours. I have trouble picking out movies that I haven't already seen yet as it is. I don't think I could get anywhere close to that amount in just one week.

Posted by: Rangers51 2nd November 2010 14:43
Quote (Ronin @ 2nd November 2010 09:22)
Wow. That's quite a lot of Netflix hours. I have trouble picking out movies that I haven't already seen yet as it is. I don't think I could get anywhere close to that amount in just one week.

My wife and I have several TV shows that we watch over and over again, every few months - 30 Rock, Arrested Development, old seasons of The Office, etc. Plus, we both like movies from when we were growing up in the 80s and 90s, and there are tons of those available.

Also, we just watch a TON of TV. Probably far more than is healthy. smile.gif


Posted by: Miss Ronin 2nd November 2010 15:44
Oh, that's right. I forgot you can watch TV shows and stuff on Netflix too. O___O


Posted by: Insegredious 9th November 2010 04:14
I don't see why everyone LOVES Final Fantasy IV. I know that for its time, it was quite revolutionary, but I feel that nostalgia is all that's keeping it alive through remake after remake. While story is important in a good RPG, gameplay is very important was well, and I thought the gameplay in FFIV was crap. I dislike it when RPGs go "this is your party. You can't change it around at all. Your party members can do what they can do and can't do what they can't do. Deal with it." (Although I did hear that the Augment system in the DS version was great.) This is perhaps my biggest criticism of Lunar: The Silver Star (low difficulty level notwithstanding) but I digress.
I also feel like they were making up the story as they went along.
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"Wait, we've been everywhere in the overworld? Okay, let's have four more crystals in an UNDERWORLD! We're done there? Okay, now let's go to...the moon! And...and...Cecil and Golbez are part moon people! And they have to fight another evil moon person who we just met and who's actually the main bad guy oh look the game's done"


Also, Majora's Mask was, and still is, my favorite Legend of Zelda game.

I don't get the point of MMORPGs. I played RuneScape exactly once. I got through Tutorial Island, then had NO idea what I was supposed to be doing.
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Halo's okay, but it's just plain not the best game ever and certainly not worth being the monolith of a series that it is.

Seconded. Of course, it may just be because I suck at Halo.

Quote (laszlow @ 20th October 2010 18:15)
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My main problem with the series is that they did not represent the FF series well at all...It just doesn't make sense that they represented Disney characters fairly accurately but decided they had free license to butcher FF characters in this game. Also, why are there no FF worlds to visit?

Oh heavens, yes. I've never played KH2, although I was happy when I found out that a pre-FFVII character was going to be featured, since the only Final Fantasy games I've played are I-VI. When I saw the scene, though, I was incredibly disappointed at how Setzer was portrayed, as well as how little of a role he played. It annoys me that, to my knowledge, Kingdom Hearts has yet to feature any pre-FFVII characters, save Setzer.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 9th November 2010 13:48
Unpopular opinions:I hate first person shooters.

Doom
Quake
Redneck rampage
Duke nukem and duke nukem forever.
Turok64

All these games just seem like copy paste action shooters of each other with almost zero or zero originality.

I seriously do not understand what the big thing about first person shooters is.

I play ten or fifteen minutes of one of these,i get bored and i start to cheat to see what kind of weapons you get because i find myself having no desire to continue to play and then i stop and i can-t be bothered to continue.

Going around shooting people without any story and character development just bores me to death.

Yet another unpopular opinion:

Zelda 2 adventure of link is vastly overrated.

I think zelda 1 and zelda 3 a link to the past are far better games and more enjoyable in game play.

For me,they took what was fun about zelda and its style and made it into something that no longer resembled zelda.

More opinions:Metal gear solid 4 is also vastly overrated:

The gameplay seems like a major step back from metal gear solid 3 and it feels like i am playing call of duty or medal of honor.

To tell you the truth:The story is pretty good and i find that it is still slightly better than metal gear solid 1 just because of the game play,but when it comes to the story itself and suspense,i still prefer metal gear solid 1.

There is too much melodrama and it resembles too much like a movie and not enough like a video games.

There is a reason why movies are not 100 hours long.

Posted by: Miss Ronin 9th November 2010 16:58
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 9th November 2010 08:48)
I hate first person shooters.

Seconded. I usually can't stand a shooter unless it breaks that "mindless action" mold. That's one of the reasons I loved the Thief games so much. A good story will get me into a first person shooter as well, but those games are so few and far between...

Posted by: Malevolence 10th November 2010 03:42
Dragon Age: Origins is one of the most boring RPGs i have ever had the misfortune of playing.i dont know why, either. i loved Knights of the Old Republic, and it wasnt much different. i just cannot bring myself to play that game anymore.

all of the Xbox Ninja Gaiden titles are terrible. the controls are jumpy and the camera seems interested in everything but my character. this is unacceptable in a game that requires split-second reaction times.

FFX-2 has the best battle system in the series to date.

Posted by: trismegistus 11th November 2010 17:57
Thought of another one: I vastly prefer Super Punch-Out!! to the NES game. I was bummed when the Wii game barely had any of the SNES characters in it (and Aran Ryan looked totally different, man!)

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 11th November 2010 18:57
Quote (trismegistus @ 11th November 2010 17:57)
Thought of another one: I vastly prefer Super Punch-Out!! to the NES game. I was bummed when the Wii game barely had any of the SNES characters in it (and Aran Ryan looked totally different, man!)

Too bad the wii version left out some characters.

I played the snes game and i enjoyed it.


Posted by: sweetdude 12th November 2010 21:13
Great topic GMH.

I really like Oblivion. It's not even what I would normally consider a good game, it's just a lot of fun. The bugs, or flaws in some cases, make it a better sandbox than a lot of others I've played. There's a lot of creative freedom to muck around with the game that surely wasn't. I suppose I just like doing things in a game that few or nobody else has ever thought of doing. A few examples would be getting Baurus outside the starting dungeon by using the Kajit scary eyes and getting him to fight all the guards in the Imperial City, building a supermage character to make a spell that can destroy a very large crowd, and enchanting every item of clothing to give 100% chameleon thereby making a permanently invisible and untouchable character. I love that kind of stuff. Aside from that I understand why RPG players would disagree.

I suppose I don't like GTA San Andreas much. It's just a bit boring in comparison to Vice City. As far as I understand most people think SA is better, but I could be wrong. When it comes to FF I think VII is the best, which is pretty controversial. Oh yeah, I don't like any of the Prince of Persia games since the original 2D gore-fest, and that was because it was the only game that ran on my dad's work computer. I've always loved sports games, especially football.

I wouldn't knock CoD4 too much. I found it pretty boring to begin with but the campaign is definitely not a mindless shooter. It's got a lot of good ideas. Also on the subject of FPS, I liked Halo and Halo 2. The story had me pretty hooked until Halo 3 screwed everything up. There are better two players, and much better FPS games, but I still like them for what they are.

Posted by: PendragonKuro 22nd November 2010 04:50
If there is one game series that I will always love and cherish, It's the Xtreme-G Racing games.


The only game I ever thought was given WAY too much credit for a mediocre title was Legend of zelda: A link to the past.

Don't get me wrong, It's a deffinite classic, It just gets a little too much praise.

Posted by: Death Penalty 22nd November 2010 15:25
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I really like Oblivion. It's not even what I would normally consider a good game, it's just a lot of fun. The bugs, or flaws in some cases, make it a better sandbox than a lot of others I've played. There's a lot of creative freedom to muck around with the game that surely wasn't. I suppose I just like doing things in a game that few or nobody else has ever thought of doing. A few examples would be getting Baurus outside the starting dungeon by using the Kajit scary eyes and getting him to fight all the guards in the Imperial City, building a supermage character to make a spell that can destroy a very large crowd, and enchanting every item of clothing to give 100% chameleon thereby making a permanently invisible and untouchable character. I love that kind of stuff. Aside from that I understand why RPG players would disagree.

I absolutely love Oblivion. It certainly isn't my usual type of game (it doesn't have much for plot), but it's fun for the times when I'm in the mood to just kinda go around and do stuff. One of the first things I did when I bought the game was explore the entire map to discover every single location. I just wandered around a lot, and it was tons of fun: there are lots of interesting little things going on across the map.

My favorite character is a Crusader knight. I don't have chameleon, but I do have reflect damage up to around 80% which works out pretty well biggrin.gif

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 22nd November 2010 19:18
Here's a probably popular opinion that is not usually voiced:

I don't hate eastern RPGs.

I also don't hate western RPGs.

I haven't played western RPGs much, and while I've http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=igynnzc29fg7qmhlgkvlhbnr&page=1, which I seem to enjoy.

Posted by: BlitzSage 22nd November 2010 19:22
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 22nd November 2010 15:18)
Here's a probably popular opinion that is not usually voiced:

I don't hate eastern RPGs.

I also don't hate western RPGs.

I haven't played western RPGs much, and while I've http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=igynnzc29fg7qmhlgkvlhbnr&page=1, which I seem to enjoy.

Those are unpopular... and unvoiced... how?

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 22nd November 2010 20:10
Perhaps because I've heard way too much whining complaining about how eastern RPGs suck because they're linear and non-customizable and have emo whiny characters and how western RPGs suck because they have unpretty gritty art and too much freedom and unengaging story.

Truth be told, though, while these stereotypes have some truth in them, they're not always true, and some games play better than others. Additionally, people's tastes in games can vary, and some people may like and others dislike the animesque art of Lunar, for example, and the same can apply to just about any characteristic of any particular game.

Now, note that I said it might actually be a popular opinion, just not voiced much. A "silent majority" thing, if you will.

Edit: grammar fix.

Posted by: Smash Genesis 23rd November 2010 04:42
Here are some more that I forgot to mention.

I think Final Fantasy X has a fantastic dub. Even more unpopular, I thought the laughing scene was sweet and touching. I thought Seymour was the most compelling villain I'd ever seen, and I thought Tidus was expertly acted.

I also think number VIII is terrible and that Zell - despite solely having the emotion "AAAWWWSOOOOME!" and "COME OOOOOOOOOOOOON" - was the most likable character in the game.

If that's not enough I think Tales of Symphonia had only a decent plot, and the only reason it was so much fun was because I thought the characters were awesome. And on the topic of Tales of Symphonia, I like both LloydxSheena AND LloydxColette, AND my main pairing is DirkxKratos.


I think the Megaman Zero games had a great plot, and I think Megaman 11 should be the last one in the original timeline.



I've got more, but I'm not awake enough to remember.

Posted by: Insegredious 23rd November 2010 05:25
Quote (Smash Genesis @ 23rd November 2010 04:42)
Zell - despite solely having the emotion "AAAWWWSOOOOME!" and "COME OOOOOOOOOOOOON" - was the most likable character in the game.

I just started FFVIII, but my first impressions of Zell make me think of him as basically a significantly less interesting and more annoying version of Beat from TWEWY.

Posted by: ZidaneTribal 23rd November 2010 07:44

I like Spoony Bard aka Edward from Final Fantasy 4....

Posted by: sweetdude 23rd November 2010 19:54
Quote (Smash Genesis @ 23rd November 2010 05:42)
I think Final Fantasy X has a fantastic dub. Even more unpopular, I thought the laughing scene was sweet and touching. I thought Seymour was the most compelling villain I'd ever seen, and I thought Tidus was expertly acted.

I wonder if that's the most unpopular opinion? I take the entirely opposite view of what you've written there. I can't decide which out of the four I disagree with the most.

Posted by: Reod Dai 24th November 2010 01:14
Xenogears is the best RPG ever made. Not exactly an unpopular opinion per say, but definitely an unvoiced one outside of a relatively small cult following.

Oh, and the original Final Fantasy Tactics is the best Final Fantasy, though there are most likely actually a respectable number of people who would agree with that sentiment.

Final Fantasy VIII is indeed terrible, though in my experience that's a fairly common opinion (unpopular with its many fans, though).

Quote (Aeris-Logan @ 20th October 2010 10:20)

I despise the new FF games starting from FFX. I simply can not stand a game that is considered a rpg of some sort to tell you where to go rather than allow you to learn your path.


Personally, I actually found FFXII very enjoyable in that respect. The story sucked, but roaming the world figuring out where to go and what to do and getting myself into all sorts of trouble with enemies I shouldn't have been fighting yet was a blast. Perhaps the actual story destinations were rather linear, but there are so many other places to go and discover that I didn't really mind.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 24th November 2010 14:09
Unpopular opinon? hmm let me think:

I hate sports games most of the time.

I find fifa games and racing games often to be vastly overrated.

I look at those gran turismo games and indy games and i simply don't get what people find interesting.

They just seem like cut paste of previous games with better graphics and possibly a few more quests.


Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 24th November 2010 19:00
@ Magitek_slayer:

Well, your tastes are actually pretty consistent for your side of the gaming world.

I've always noticed that there are about four or so types of gamers:
* platformer and eastern RPG players (Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, etc.)
* FPS and western RPG players (Halo, Mass Effect, Half-Life, Bioshock, Elder Scrolls, etc.)
* sports and racing game players (Gran Turismo, Need for Speed, Madden, NHL, etc.)
* "casual" game players (Solitaire, Farmville, Imagine, Nintendogs)

Obviously these aren't clear-cut, but you can generally come up with some sense of which set of games a given gamer tends to focus on.

I haven't listed RTS games, fighting games, puzzle games, party games, and rhythm games. I'm not yet sure where they fall, but I think RTS gamers tend to overlap with the first two, rhythm games have dedicated followings amongst the first group (for DDR and Bemani products) and the second and third groups (for Guitar Hero and Rock Band products), and fighting games are split between the first three groups.

The first group contains the most retro gamers. The fourth group often includes people who don't self-identify as gamers. And finally, the whole "east vs. west" debate is usually between the first group (east) and the second and third groups (west). (This is reflected in tastes in rhythm games.)

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 24th November 2010 19:42
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 24th November 2010 19:00)

I've always noticed that there are about four or so types of gamers:
* platformer and eastern RPG players (Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, etc.)
* FPS and western RPG players (Halo, Mass Effect, Half-Life, Bioshock, Elder Scrolls, etc.)
* sports and racing game players (Gran Turismo, Need for Speed, Madden, NHL, etc.)
* "casual" game players (Solitaire, Farmville, Imagine, Nintendogs)

You forgot another tag since we are tagging people:

People who like games for graphics and nothing else.

They will play a game once when its new to play the latest game and leave behind older games that may be good.

I don't like tags generally speaking,and i think that some people can like all sorts of things.

I play all sorts of games and the one i like i play again like:mario cart or if i have another person:wii tennis or something.

Generally,i think sports games are made just because of supply and demand and a lot of times are the same as the previous 10 games.

I am not saying all games are the same,but isn't it better to play the real thing?

I've seen a few of those fifa games too,and they are booooring.

There is like: a unmentionable and for every 1 non sport,there is like:10 fifa games.

I've also played countless shooters.

There are of course hidden gems between the pile of filth,but you have to dig deep sometimes.

I have heard rants about fifa and how the other one is better.

I heard the same about grand turismo i think it was being better.

I like to hear the argument because that way i learn a little about whats good and not

Posted by: trismegistus 24th November 2010 20:06
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 24th November 2010 14:42)
People who like games for graphics and nothing else.

I don't know if this could be considered a 'category of gaming' simply because I don't know anyone who doesn't first take the genre into account. I mean, no one out there buys every single PS3 game just because it's on a PS3 and thus has good graphics, instead the buy, say, a PS3 RPG because they like RPGs and want a game that looks nice. There are certainly people who go more for the new systems because of the power in them, but I don't think that's the ONLY reason most people would buy a system. That said, I don't think the 4 genres are absolute because anyone on this forum can tell I'm a fan of older games and JRPGs, but here I am playing Bioware-made Dragon Age as I type this, and I even broke out of my FPS-hating shell and really enjoyed Bioshock not long ago. Thankfully it was easy...

Posted by: sweetdude 25th November 2010 00:56
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 24th November 2010 20:00)
I've always noticed that there are about four or so types of gamers:
* platformer and eastern RPG players (Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, etc.)
* FPS and western RPG players (Halo, Mass Effect, Half-Life, Bioshock, Elder Scrolls, etc.)
* sports and racing game players (Gran Turismo, Need for Speed, Madden, NHL, etc.)
* "casual" game players (Solitaire, Farmville, Imagine, Nintendogs)

There was a thread about this a year or so ago, were you here when it was up? Actually didn't you make it GMH? I think that opinion is very controversial. I don't think all gamers will focus on one of the categories, even just enough to put them as that type. There's a problem because people sometimes play games from a genre they don't necessarily like because they like that game in particular. If someone plays a game they love from a genre (A) for a considerably longer time than another genre (B) they would see themselves as preferring, does that mean they prefer genre A or B? For example I love RPG and FPS so I would be in your second category, but I play FIFA more than anything else and could be said to focus on it. If you met me in person you would think I was in the third category. However by and large I don't enjoy sports games nearly as much as RPG and FPS.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 25th November 2010 18:06
That does seem like the sort of thread topic I'd come up with, yeah...

Anyway, I didn't say that people had only one type. People frequently have more than one type.

What I meant is that these interests run together in terms of communities. For example, I think that you'd more likely get cross-genre recommendations between members of these communities within their group's genres rather than to another group's genres. For example, if someone's only played classic platformers before, I can see someone else more likely to recommend Final Fantasy X to them than Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.

Posted by: Kirchewasser 5th December 2010 01:37


hmmm, hard to know what is unpopular, since my impressions of what is unpopular may vary acording to the gaming context i'm used, and since i talk about games with people from many of the "segments" stated by GMH, i can't say how unpopular they are.

Oh well, here I go:

1) God Of War is somewhere between "it sucks" and "it's overrated". Any of these statements may start a fight with many people around the internet, and with people I know.

2) Shooters sucks.

3) Fighting games may not suck, but some are sure overrated.

4) I think XB360 is a generic version of PS3, thus, it sucks (ps3 is not that great, what would i think about its generic version?)

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 5th December 2010 03:03
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4) I think XB360 is a generic version of PS3, thus, it sucks (ps3 is not that great, what would i think about its generic version?)


Well, it IS much less costly. Or, was, at least until the PS3 got its small-version release.

That said, it's all about the library of games anyway. Few people buy consoles just for tech specs. And not that many buy them for features (though apparently some wealthy consumers did get PS3s for their Blu-ray capability).

Posted by: Insegredious 22nd March 2011 18:01
*casts Revive on thread*

Here's one: I don't prefer the first or second generation Pokemon games to the newer ones. I actually think the main series games have VASTLY improved over time, and I am more than happy to debate any purists who say otherwise.

(This only applies to the main series, of course. I've played very few of the side and spinoff games. I outgrew the TV show years ago, and therefore have no opinion on it.)

Posted by: Smash Genesis 22nd March 2011 19:43
I don't like FPSes.I don't know about you, but that's about as unpopular as it gets for a guy in high school. sad.gif

Posted by: laszlow 22nd March 2011 22:32
Oooh, time to drink another glass of haterade.

The Smash Brothers series isn't very good at all. It's just goofy chaos that barely qualifies as a fighting game and thrives 100% on fanservice instead of actual, you know, quality.

The N64 is overrated. Its library is much, much weaker than that of the SNES. Weak in RPGs (two good ones), weak in fighting games (zero good ones), and zero edge or maturity to its games prior to 2000. For every good game on the N64 (and there are a number of good games on that system, I won't deny it), the PS1 had three. The PlayStation was a far superior console, and deserved its sales victory.

Elder Scrolls series? Overwrought, ugly, and boring. Don't like them. Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age are much better (that opinion is not so unpopular).

Posted by: skwaag5233 22nd March 2011 23:32
Quote (Smash Genesis @ 22nd March 2011 19:43)
I don't like FPSes.I don't know about you, but that's about as unpopular as it gets for a guy in high school. sad.gif

i don't like fpses either! biggrin.gif *interwebz hi-5! >:D* also people who just care about graphics are annoying
playing FFVI
Friend: Dude those graphics suck
Me: I don't really care about graphics
Friend: you would if you played games worth playing
*face palm*

Posted by: BlitzSage 23rd March 2011 01:44
Quote (skwaag5233 @ 22nd March 2011 19:32)
Quote (Smash Genesis @ 22nd March 2011 19:43)
I don't like FPSes.I don't know about you, but that's about as unpopular as it gets for a guy in high school. sad.gif

i don't like fpses either! biggrin.gif *interwebz hi-5! >:D* also people who just care about graphics are annoying
playing FFVI
Friend: Dude those graphics suck
Me: I don't really care about graphics
Friend: you would if you played games worth playing
*face palm*

Maybe this isn't unpopular: I much prefer the SNES era graphics over modern graphics. Those SNES graphics were at least interesting, unique, and many were beautifully done. FFVI, Super Metroid, DKC, are some of the most beautifal games ever.

Posted by: Death Penalty 23rd March 2011 19:46
I'm actually enjoying Nier quite a bit, which appears contrary to most people's impression, though there are also a fair amount of people that like the game quite a bit. I haven't finished it yet, to be fair, but I tend to like games more as I play them once I've reached a certain point, rather than the other way around.

Posted by: laszlow 24th March 2011 03:34
Quote (Death Penalty @ 23rd March 2011 14:46)
I'm actually enjoying Nier quite a bit, which appears contrary to most people's impression, though there are also a fair amount of people that like the game quite a bit. I haven't finished it yet, to be fair, but I tend to like games more as I play them once I've reached a certain point, rather than the other way around.

You're the second person I've heard say that. The general consensus is that it isn't very good, but one person I know loved it and recommends it to me every chance he gets. Now that I know two Nier fans I'm actually tempted to try it....

Posted by: Death Penalty 24th March 2011 04:32
Quote (laszlow @ 23rd March 2011 23:34)
Quote (Death Penalty @ 23rd March 2011 14:46)
I'm actually enjoying Nier quite a bit, which appears contrary to most people's impression, though there are also a fair amount of people that like the game quite a bit. I haven't finished it yet, to be fair, but I tend to like games more as I play them once I've reached a certain point, rather than the other way around.

You're the second person I've heard say that. The general consensus is that it isn't very good, but one person I know loved it and recommends it to me every chance he gets. Now that I know two Nier fans I'm actually tempted to try it....

MMB is a fan of it too, so now you've got three! According to reviews, it gets criticism for being rather fetch-questy and having unimpressive graphics (though I really didn't see any problem with the graphics). It does some very nifty things though, and it's unique.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 24th March 2011 13:18
I think oblivion is more fun to play than fallout 3 at times due to the quests,but fallout 3 is more original in dungeons.

My issue with oblivion are the bugs and the cave.

Lets see... Other opinions:

I don't care for diablo at all.

Diablo seems more like a first person action game with melee action.
It plays out like doom and there is hardly any variety in quests or dungeons.
I never played diablo 2,but i heard they fixed the uber cheat that people would use to make themselves god mode online.

I know i like games with some action,but honestly:i like games also with variety of stuff such as multiple towns and people to talk to and even choices are good.

Sometimes i find myself missing some stuff i find in jrpgs and other times i love the stuff i find in wrpgs.Both wrpgs and jrpgs have stuff i like about them.

Second:I don't care much for zelda twilight princess at all or the new metroid:metroid 3 corruption:

Zelda:I was honestly bored by half the game and lost the desire to play.
I didn't like that girl who rides your back as a wolf and the jumps felt like a prince of persia knock off.

Metroid 3 corruption:My main annoyance is the wiimote.
There is also the annoyance of having to abuse spam corruption because lesser weapons are too weak making you spam your corruption power which i think they could at least i think make it more worth wild to want to switch between powers for the moment instead of wanting you to be in corruption mode to shoot out phazon charges.

Fifa 5 billion:Honestly,couldn't we not have a fifa game every month and concentrate on making a few good sports game every year? i swear,there are so many of those games that i can't even count them

Also:It almost seems like i am seeing fewer racing games on ps3 or is it my imagination?

Either way:its a good thing actually since i tried some of them and at moments there seemed to be so many racing games and few of them seemed actually decent.


Posted by: skwaag5233 24th March 2011 22:29
Quote (BlitzSage @ 23rd March 2011 01:44)
Quote (skwaag5233 @ 22nd March 2011 19:32)
Quote (Smash Genesis @ 22nd March 2011 19:43)
I don't like FPSes.I don't know about you, but that's about as unpopular as it gets for a guy in high school. sad.gif

i don't like fpses either! biggrin.gif *interwebz hi-5! >:D* also people who just care about graphics are annoying
playing FFVI
Friend: Dude those graphics suck
Me: I don't really care about graphics
Friend: you would if you played games worth playing
*face palm*

Maybe this isn't unpopular: I much prefer the SNES era graphics over modern graphics. Those SNES graphics were at least interesting, unique, and many were beautifully done. FFVI, Super Metroid, DKC, are some of the most beautifal games ever.

meh, people who look at older games are probably like "wow those games must suck" because if a game looks unappealing, even if it is the best game ever, is probably one you don't want to play. But bad graphics does not always equate to bad gameplay (though it is hard to list games with bad graphics because these days probably 90% of funding goes to graphcis lol jk). And I agree with you on the graphics. Graphics back then were much more impressive because the creators had to use their brains to get around the limitations. Nowadays every game looks exactly the same. Which is why I'm glad skyward sword on the wii is using cartoonish graphics. It's also why Borderlands is one of the only FPSes I actually like

Posted by: Malevolence 24th March 2011 23:22
The characters in Final Fantasy XIII were some of the most well-rounded, interesting people in the series to date. That doesn't excuse all the game's shortcomings, but there ya go.

Posted by: Smash Genesis 25th March 2011 03:26
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Needed to be said. tongue.gif


Also, on topic, I want to see a Final Fantasy game set in real life. Think about it. Final Fantasy. Where you cast Firaga on the Taliban. How is THAT not awesome?

Posted by: BlitzSage 25th March 2011 21:14
Quote (skwaag5233 @ 24th March 2011 18:29)
meh, people who look at older games are probably like "wow those games must suck" because if a game looks unappealing, even if it is the best game ever, is probably one you don't want to play. But bad graphics does not always equate to bad gameplay (though it is hard to list games with bad graphics because these days probably 90% of funding goes to graphcis lol jk). And I agree with you on the graphics. Graphics back then were much more impressive because the creators had to use their brains to get around the limitations. Nowadays every game looks exactly the same. Which is why I'm glad skyward sword on the wii is using cartoonish graphics. It's also why Borderlands is one of the only FPSes I actually like

I don't see how people could look back at games like Super Metroid and call those bad graphics, but oh well. That's actually very common. People have the same reactions towards movies, music, basically any creation. Those people are just missing out on classic works. I'm not saying all were great, but many classic games possess some of the most beautiful graphics ever created, and they're the ones missing out because they can't look past the Halo graphics.

Posted by: trismegistus 25th March 2011 22:34
Quote (Smash Genesis @ 24th March 2011 22:26)
Also, on topic, I want to see a Final Fantasy game set in real life. Think about it. Final Fantasy. Where you cast Firaga on the Taliban. How is THAT not awesome?

A bit off-topic, but apparently Sakaguchi wanted FF VIII set in New York City originally. How strange things could have been...

I don't know much about modern gaming opinions, so I can't say what I believe that's unpopular and what isn't. A few years ago I could say that I like FF IX and Chrono Cross, but these days people have warmed up to them so it's not so unusual. I guess my biggest unpopular opinion, at least for this forum, is how I was totally bored with Dissidia. Loved the idea but I had hoped more for a casual fighting game a la Marvel vs. Capcom and Smash Bros. What I got was more like Soul Calibur in terms of complexity, which is too much work for an old man like me.

Posted by: Sherick 25th March 2011 22:45
I actually found Chrono Trigger to not quite live up to the hype. Great game yes, but when it's being held up one of the greatest games of all time, you'd expect a little bit more. I enjoyed the way the plot moves, but by the time you get to the end you realize how underwhelming the plot is, and I do have to join the bandwagon in complaining about the brevity.
Still one of the great RPGs, but I could easily name several that I would put above it.

Also, with all nostalghia aside, I find Brawl better than Melee on just about all fronts.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 7th April 2011 21:15
Quote (Smash Genesis)
: Also, on topic, I want to see a Final Fantasy game set in real life. Think about it. Final Fantasy. Where you cast Firaga on the Taliban. How is THAT not awesome?


I had a very similar idea years back, which I think I've even chronicled in detail on this site. Though it was based on my experience with FFIV, rather than the newer FF games, alongside Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG. I had dreams of high school disputes and international politics playing out as JRPG battles.

Though I abandoned the idea a few years ago, since I had trouble coming up with a coherent plot for it (read: one that's not just a bunch of stupid wish fulfillment, but actually makes sense).

Quote (BlitzSage)
I don't see how people could look back at games like Super Metroid and call those bad graphics, but oh well.


Actually, I don't think that SMet's graphics are quite top-notch; for example, Samus's sprite looks a bit like bags of yellow muscles tied up. At least, that's the impression I got. I prefer Zero Mission's Samus sprites (talking here about armored Samus).

That said, this is different from saying that they're bad, or that you need hundreds of polygons for stuff to look good.

Posted by: Smash Genesis 7th April 2011 22:50
I think Tetsuya Nomura is one of Square Enix's most valuable employees. Yes, he's a sucky artist, but man has he made some great games. Of the game's he's had creative control over - The World Ends with You, Dissidia, Dissidia Duodecim, and the entire Kingdom Hearts franchise - they all have deep and nuanced gameplay, and though I don't his character designs, I really like his eye for flashy and over-the-top combat. Oh, and yeah, he comes up with some weird names, but I REALLY like the way they sound.


I have NO CLUE what "Birth by Sleep" means, but it SOUNDS awesome. (Plus, I'm told it's explained in the secret ending.)


Also, I'm not a big fan of Amano's art, I like Pokemon more than Final Fantasy, and I like handhelds more than home consoles.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 8th April 2011 07:13
Quote (Sherick @ 25th March 2011 22:45)
I actually found Chrono Trigger to not quite live up to the hype. Great game yes, but when it's being held up one of the greatest games of all time, you'd expect a little bit more. I enjoyed the way the plot moves, but by the time you get to the end you realize how underwhelming the plot is, and I do have to join the bandwagon in complaining about the brevity.
Still one of the great RPGs, but I could easily name several that I would put above it.

Also, with all nostalghia aside, I find Brawl better than Melee on just about all fronts.

I saw this guy who on youtube bashed ff7 and was praising chrono trigger,my first reaction:HYPOCRITE!!

Yeah,its people like him who make great games like chrono trigger and ff6 overrated,even if just a little bit.

Yeah ok i hate ff7 cause of what it did in terms of making melodrama popular and having more cutscenes than actual gaming that are mind numbingly boring,but ff6 wasn't perfect either.

They are slightly but only cause of stupid people who trash talk games and have the intelligence level of an ape.

I'm talking about:

Miraclekd18:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGqYbF2NL-w terrible sound seen the comment before,also attacked a person when they asked about their opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIqLK_fep9o:second horrible comment.

My thoughts:couldn't he put some creative thought into 1 video instead of repeating the same stuff? oh and like it or die? is that a threat? really? what the heck man? its only a game.


Posted by: GamblingCat 8th April 2011 16:44
FFVIII is an awesome game. Spoony would go nuts if someone said that in his presence.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 8th April 2011 21:25
Spoony is a jerkoff, so no problems there..

Posted by: laszlow 8th April 2011 21:51
I saw Spoony live at MAGFest in January. Pretty normal internet gaming humor. Not terribly funny. John St. John, however, is the man.

Random unpopular gaming opinion: anyone that truly believes in the "video game designers as auteurs" theory is basically full of it. A video game director, writer, or artist has MUCH less control of a video game's production than a film director or screenwriter has over a film. Subscribing to the theory that Sakaguchi's departure led to a major change in quality in the Final Fantasy series (or any other Square property) is basically bull****. I've seen too much of this downright incorrect ideal on this forum.

Posted by: Smash Genesis 9th April 2011 00:40
laszlow, have I mentioned how much I love you lately?

Also, I think Final Fantasy XII was bad. That's decently unpopular, right?

Posted by: BlitzSage 9th April 2011 01:49
Quote (laszlow @ 8th April 2011 17:51)
Random unpopular gaming opinion: anyone that truly believes in the "video game designers as auteurs" theory is basically full of it. A video game director, writer, or artist has MUCH less control of a video game's production than a film director or screenwriter has over a film. Subscribing to the theory that Sakaguchi's departure led to a major change in quality in the Final Fantasy series (or any other Square property) is basically bull****. I've seen too much of this downright incorrect ideal on this forum.

I think that's one of those that is unpolular, but true. You know? I think game's would be much more experimental if the designers had more control, but they don't. Not yet, anyways.

Posted by: Sherick 9th April 2011 02:13
Quote (laszlow @ 8th April 2011 16:51)
I saw Spoony live at MAGFest in January. Pretty normal internet gaming humor. Not terribly funny. John St. John, however, is the man.

When it comes to wrestling though, he's pretty damn funny. If nothing else, he can do some great impressions, particularly Orton and Triple H.

Posted by: trismegistus 9th April 2011 02:36
Quote (laszlow @ 8th April 2011 16:51)
Random unpopular gaming opinion: anyone that truly believes in the "video game designers as auteurs" theory is basically full of it.

Ouch! I was sort of nervous that this topic would degenerate into personal attacks, but I didn't expect them to be on me.

Posted by: BlitzSage 9th April 2011 03:50
Quote (trismegistus @ 8th April 2011 22:36)
Quote (laszlow @ 8th April 2011 16:51)
Random unpopular gaming opinion: anyone that truly believes in the "video game designers as auteurs" theory is basically full of it.

Ouch! I was sort of nervous that this topic would degenerate into personal attacks, but I didn't expect them to be on me.

Guess he's gonna have to apologize for telling the truth, lol.

Posted by: laszlow 9th April 2011 11:18
Quote (trismegistus @ 8th April 2011 21:36)
Quote (laszlow @ 8th April 2011 16:51)
Random unpopular gaming opinion: anyone that truly believes in the "video game designers as auteurs" theory is basically full of it.

Ouch! I was sort of nervous that this topic would degenerate into personal attacks, but I didn't expect them to be on me.

You're not the only one it was directed towards. And really, it's less a personal attack and more that I just really, really disagree with that belief. And really, I'm angrier at the people that think that Square "stopped caring about gamers" or "got taken over by Enix" or something like that when Sakaguchi left. Those people are even stupider.

Posted by: sweetdude 9th April 2011 18:56
Quote (laszlow @ 8th April 2011 22:51)
Random unpopular gaming opinion: anyone that truly believes in the "video game designers as auteurs" theory is basically full of it.� A video game director, writer, or artist has MUCH less control of a video game's production than a film director or screenwriter has over a film.� Subscribing to the theory that Sakaguchi's departure led to a major change in quality in the Final Fantasy series (or any other Square property) is basically bull****.� I've seen too much of this downright incorrect ideal on this forum.

Edit: Looking back now I'm sure I'm just stating the obvious and I'm guessing you meant auteur in the sense of a creator within a big studio. I'll leave up what I wrote anyway.

I agree in general, but let's remember that really small games studios and certain games or mods really do have auteurs, as you say. What you said about game designers implies that Jonathan Blow did not have control of the creation of Braid, or Markus Persson was not integral to Minecraft. There are big personalities in game creation just like in film, and they do have a high level of control in overall production.

On your point about Sakaguchi, I similarly don't think his leaving was the end of SE as I really enjoyed FFXII and thought Lost Odyssey was awful. At the same time I wouldn't say it was because Sakaguchi left that I enjoyed FFXII, which conforms entirely with your point.

Posted by: Metal King Slime 11th April 2011 14:10
I prefer Dragon Quest over Final Fantasy. Oh, and I don't mind the direction Team Fortress 2 is going in.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 11th April 2011 16:00
Since we are on unpopular opinions,here is my opinion:

I find final fantasy heroes to have become rather stale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YB7Tfa-eNQ

see him whining? wtf man? this is why i hate him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEyMtmkG9Vc

Ok i know this is contradictory:but squall is nothing like cloud.

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He has problems with relating to people and seems rather bad with comunications. Lacks self confidence and doesn't trust anyone.

For me its interesting because all of the characters in final fantasy to that point have been similar.

Cloud was a jerk because he was angry and venting his anger on everyone and at that point was being emo so to speak in that manner feeling sorry for himself.

Squall was generally not self confident and suffers nervous breakdowns in worrying as we can see when cid gives him his position as commander of the entire island and he worries himself to death about his job and his chores and wether he is meant for the job.

The other parts weren't as interesting for me and neither was rinoa.
I wasn't much for romance parts and i've seen it far too many times in fairy tales and honestly:seems like most final fantasies follow the similar or same formula:hero saves the world gets the girl and makes her his wife or girlfriend kills the stereotype villain who always wants to conquer the world.

Honestly:thats another of my problems:villains:seems like it all comes down to most of the time:wanting to conquer the world with very little else.

I dunno:

we've had a villain we pity:
At least i pitied him:
Sephiroth and kuja

Kuja wasn't really evil,he was misguided
Sephiroth was a victim of society:a hero made into a villain and proves what happens when you let loose your best soldier and what would happen if you don't keep things under wraps.

In contrast:its shinra's fault sephiroth turned against his empire and he asked for it.

The company made a monster known as sephiroth:a solider thinking and skilled and capable of causing chaos in a city when let loose because infected with jenova which possibly helped make him go mad.

It did it with hojo,could it also help with sephiroth?

Seymour i don't know what to classify him.

He's disturbed and wanted to marry yuna and died and refused to be sent.

I can't remember the full story so i can't really comment much.

Posted by: baralai888 13th April 2011 04:20
Wow, there are some very interesting opinions here. Although mine may not be too unpopular, I know FFVIII has been seen as one of the least favorite of the series. After FFVI, VIII is actually my favorite. Part of that has to do with the fact that it was my first game on the Playstation One. I played it before VII and thought it was vastly superior at the time. After replaying both several times now, I see VII in a much better light, but it still doesn't crack my top 5 FF games.

That list in itself may be unpopular as well. Although there's been shuffling through out the years (every day I'm shufflin' a la LMFAO), here are my currently top 5:

1. FFVI
2. FFVIII
3. FFIV
4. FFIX
5. FFX

Unpopular, maybe. But I'm cool with it =)

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 13th April 2011 09:46
Quote (baralai888 @ 13th April 2011 04:20)
Wow, there are some very interesting opinions here. Although mine may not be too unpopular, I know FFVIII has been seen as one of the least favorite of the series. After FFVI, VIII is actually my favorite. Part of that has to do with the fact that it was my first game on the Playstation One. I played it before VII and thought it was vastly superior at the time. After replaying both several times now, I see VII in a much better light, but it still doesn't crack my top 5 FF games.

That list in itself may be unpopular as well. Although there's been shuffling through out the years (every day I'm shufflin' a la LMFAO), here are my currently top 5:

1. FFVI
2. FFVIII
3. FFIV
4. FFIX
5. FFX

Unpopular, maybe. But I'm cool with it =)

That's cool.

I think squall is a more interesting hero due to his social problems.

I'm used to heroes always making up excuses and saying:YOU KILLED MY FATHER!! PREPARE TO DIE!! or something like that.

Or:you killed my girlfriend,NO!!!!!!!!!!

What i disliked about ff8 particularly was selphie and irvine.

I simply couldn't stand irvine because of his lover boy attitude which has become tiresome already SIGH!!

i saw it in ff6 i think it was in ff7 but can't remember and it definitely is in ff8.

Other than that,there really isn't much or anything at all to irvine except for his romance so far and his cowardice.

Oh yeah!! another thing that pisses me off is!! he complains about being a loner but he seems waay more sociable than say:Sephiroth.

Seems to me that irvine would be social if he was able to,but his job kind of prevents it.

Oh yeah! squall isn't all that social either and refuses to trust people due to him being abandoned.

Some people say tidus is way too happy,he is quite happy actually.
I didn't mind him so much being a bit wimpy and a show off,it was different.

Now zidane!! i couldn't stand him.

After ff8 having irvine,zidane was so similar in that attitude,cept he was more kid friendly being a monkey in a colorful world full of animals.

I liked the light hearted part of the game since it was good and it certainly has those serious moments that makes you sad like:burmecian kingdom.

I'm still thinking today:If beatrix is good,then why didn't she give mercy to burmecia? how could she have done such a horrible act? its almost unforgiveable,but on the other hand:she is the coolest female ff character.

I'm tired of the goody goody female roles which i have seen in:grandia 2 tales of symphonia for an example.

I didn't like dagger either,i found her to be your typical selfish princess.

For some reason i keep thinking i see constantly the snobby selfish princess,or maybe its because i played so much breath of fire that the image was implanted in my head and i was already tired of it by the time ff9 came out.

I definitely agree though,that the weakest character in FFX by far is:khimari.

Not only do i never use him because i don't like his attacks,but he never shows any emotions and speaks rather flat.


Posted by: Metal King Slime 13th April 2011 17:35
I think Phoenix Wright: Justice For All is the the best game of the Ace Attorney franchise. On the other hand, I see Trials & Tribulations as the point where the series started to go downhill.

Posted by: BlitzSage 13th April 2011 20:50
Quote (Metal King Slime @ 13th April 2011 13:35)
I think Phoenix Wright: Justice For All is the the best game of the Ace Attorney franchise. On the other hand, I see Trials & Tribulations as the point where the series started to go downhill.

Maybe this is unpopular, but I have no idea what that is.

Posted by: Metal King Slime 14th April 2011 09:36
Quote (BlitzSage @ 13th April 2011 21:50)
Quote (Metal King Slime @ 13th April 2011 13:35)
I think Phoenix Wright: Justice For All is the the best game of the Ace Attorney franchise. On the other hand, I see Trials & Tribulations as the point where the series started to go downhill.

Maybe this is unpopular, but I have no idea what that is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Attorney

Posted by: Narratorway 14th April 2011 20:33
I recently got into an argument about how I thought RE4 control scheme would have been far more tolerable using FPS mechanics...which it would have.

Posted by: sweetdude 10th May 2011 00:14
I don't know how unpopular this is, but anyway I thought Fallout: New Vegas was a lot better than Fallout 3, and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood was a lot better than AC2.

Posted by: Dr. Delinquent 10th May 2011 02:09
I liked FFVIII and XIII.

For VIII, I guess it was because it was the first FF I ever played, and as a child, so many 'problems' were overlooked simply because they didn't matter to me at the time. Also, it got me into the series, so I have to give it credit no matter what.

I also liked VII. It had errors, but so does everything else. I loved the world, the abilities, the materia, and the character's attacks. I guess that made up for other things. Cloud's drama did get old, but then I'd go out and destroy some big monster with a giant sword and it was ok again. Also, if people are going to criticize Sephiroth for lack of appearance in game, they should at least mention Necron and Zemus. Neither of them show up until the end of the games, without being mentioned earlier at all.

I don't like Xbox. I just don't. I could never, and still can't, get used to the controller. I also think it's pretty over-rated. I have never seen a console that needs to be replaced so often. my 6+ year old PS2? works perfect.

I like Star Ocean. I never hear that series mentioned.

Sports games are generally off my list.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 10th May 2011 08:20
Quote (Narratorway @ 14th April 2011 20:33)
I recently got into an argument about how I thought RE4 control scheme would have been far more tolerable using FPS mechanics...which it would have.

That would probably defeat the object of the game though, the unwieldy controls being a throwback to the former Resi games n 'all

Edit: why, that is an unpopular opinion isn't it..

Posted by: Narratorway 10th May 2011 21:46
Alright Imma do this right now! Top this bitches!

BIOSHOCK WAS A SHIT GAME.

Yeah, I said it! It was more than just overrated, it was outright muthaf*cking bad yo! Let me count the goddamn ways!

1) T'was a shit port!

This game is a port of the console version, an abhorrent practice most egregious here due to the fact that's it's a FPS. Let's get this straight right now: FPS were meant to be played on the PC with a mouse and keyboard. Anyone who says otherwise is lying. This is unassailable. If you say otherwise YOU ARE WRONG. End of story.
This game ran horribly on my rig, but I'll concede this could just be my rig - which can run AssCreed II on max settings btw - but the real tip-offs confirming this horrible port is the ridiculously poor user interface design to change the settings and controls and the outright broken http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?7697-Mouse-Acceleration-ruining-Bioshock-for-you-Post-HERE.

2) T'was a shit story!

This game was vaunted for it's compelling and innovative narrative revolving around themes of Objectivism, complex moral decisions and interesting characters. And that's all a lie.
This is the REAL story of Bioshock: GTFO. That's it. That's all there is to it. The games commentary of Objectivism - http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=2385 - doesn't have a damn thing to do with you or what you do in the game. Your goal of trying to escape never changes...speaking of which.
This isn't a spoiler cause the game's been out for four years, but 3/4's through the game you're betrayed by the person whose been guiding you up to this point - what a f*cking revolutionary plot twist for a videogame by the way thumbdown.gif - and then told you've been hypnotized to do all the things you did up until that point in the game. BULLSHIT. Everything you did - every action you took - was all to serve your personal goal of escape save for ONE cutscene in which YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE CHARACTER.
And the 'morality' system, is this: Kill or don't kill a little girl. Really, is that it? It's a binary, repetitive and simple-minded gameplay mechanic and nothing more. Chrono Trigger has more complex moral mechanics behind it and more endings too.

3) T'was a shit game!

And the actual game - the only part that ever really mattered - is boring, repetitive and dull. While them textures may be pretty, the actual design of the levels is some of the worst I've seen in a FPS...ever. I dare you to make sense of this image:

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And the actual mechanics are clunky, having to constantly switch between appropriate plasmids and guns while fighting multiple respawning enemies gets tiresome really friggin quick - even moreso when you can't just kill them outright, but have to take pictures of them...as they're trying to KILL you!
And don't even get me started on that goddamn Pipe Dream mini-game.

IN CONCLUSION:

Bioshock is a bad bad bad bad baaaaaaaaaad game.


The End.

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I can't even be bothered to edit the over the top language. You can have the warning though. -R51

Posted by: Malevolence 10th May 2011 22:01
pretty easy to make sense of that map. the arrows by each staircase icon point to where you'll end up when you cross that point. simple enough.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 10th May 2011 23:45
Quote (Narratorway @ 10th May 2011 21:46)
This game is a port of the console version, an abhorrent practice most egregious here due to the fact that's it's a FPS. Let's get this straight right now: FPS were meant to be played on the PC with a mouse and keyboard. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.



Oh sure, FPS were developed and came into their own on Pc's.. but If you're correct here then Bioshock was an FPS made for consoles. So the version YOU played was a port of the console version, not the 'game.'
Using a controller the fighting wasn't clunky or awkward at all.

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i]Everything[/i] you did - every action you took - was all to serve your personal goal of escape save for ONE cutscene in which YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE CHARACTER.


Uh, at what point is it established that "your" personal goal is that of escaping rapture? It's not, you have no goal other than what Atlas is gabbing down the radio at you. For all we know the figure of Jack is actually happy as larry exploring the city.

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, the actual design of the levels is some of the worst I've seen in a FPS...ever.  I dare you to make sense of this image


You're attacking the map layout in the menu there. Not the way the actual levels are designed, yeah the maps pretty clumsy but doesn't serve as evidence in your favour in the slightest.

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you can't just kill them outright, but have to take pictures of them...as they're trying to KILL you!


You don't Have to do that at all, You can get through the game even on harder modes without using the research camera to excess, If at all. (the small mission objective being an exception)


Yeah yeah, its about unpopular opinions. But I thought I'd poke some holes in this terrible attempt at a rant and point out areas where dear narratorway is simply incorrect.

Posted by: Sherick 10th May 2011 23:50
Quote (Holidae)
pretty easy to make sense of that map. the arrows by each staircase icon point to where you'll end up when you cross that point. simple enough.


Really. It's not any worse than a map from an early Zelda.

Posted by: Narratorway 11th May 2011 02:37
Alright

1) COMPLETELY missing the point I was making with regards to the map. Since you (BO in this case) is so thick I'll spell it out (actually he's missing the point for all the other things too, but whatever). THE LEVEL DESIGN IS POOR. Levels are confusing and repetitive, mostly consisting of corridors that are all the same size. This is a game whose level design was so god-awful as to justify an arrow that pointed you to where you needed to go.

2) Sherick: Which Zelda games are those, cause I aint played any Zelda game with a map as poorly done as Bioshock's, even if that wasn't the point.

3) I COMPLETELY forgot to talk about the absolutely monotonous, uninspired, and soul crushingly repetitive game design elements. How many levels do you go through in the game before you reach a level that:

- does NOT have the exit close to the entrance.
- does NOT have the exit immediately blocked by a plot contrivance.
- does NOT require MULTIPLE fetch quests in order to open the exit?

Or hell, how about I just ask how many levels DO NOT feature a fetch quest?

Posted by: Sherick 11th May 2011 03:27
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While them textures may be pretty, the actual design of the levels is some of the worst I've seen in a FPS...ever. I dare you to make sense of this image:


You'll forgive us if we inferred that you found the level maps too confusing from exactly what you said implying that.

Posted by: Malevolence 11th May 2011 07:21
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- does NOT have the exit close to the entrance.

the fact that rapture is an underwater city would be why that is. it only make sense, when designing a city with no streets that you'd have entrances and exits close by. same goes for why the corridors tend to be the same.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 11th May 2011 08:25
Quote (Narratorway @ 11th May 2011 02:37)
Since you (BO in this case) is so thick

You're not doing yourself any favours, man.

Posted by: sweetdude 11th May 2011 14:57
Quote (Narratorway @ 10th May 2011 22:46)
  Yeah, I said it!  It was more than just overrated, it was outright muthaf*cking bad yo!  Let me count the goddamn ways!

1) T'was a s*** port!
2) T'was a s*** story!
3) T'was a s*** game!

I'd say you've got yourself a very unpopular set of opinions there. Overrated and bad? Nah. The right parts were royally welcomed and the bad aspects of the game, and there definitely were bad parts, were rightly slated. Overall what Bioshock brings to games is a reboot of the old days when good ideas and context meant a lot, like System Shock! Bioshock isn't the only game to do this and of course it's not the first, however the more the better especially if it's popular.

1) BO is right the console game had a much slicker control system than I'd imagine the PC version did. I usually don't mind playing games like Bioshock on either controls. There weren't too many times where I had to do fast-paced frantic running and gunning so I would be happy with a joystick if that's all I could use.

2) That's very harsh. Maybe you're right in that something a bit more radical seems revolutionary when people are playing so many standard-issue shooting games. Nonetheless the designs and ideas of the world, characters and atmosphere was such a relief from the bags of other FPS games. Sure there are non-FPS games with a similar uniqueness, but FPS allows for a lot of things that other games can't provide. The set-pieces and exposition were amazing too, right up there with the greats. Some parts of the story were token, and others maybe a little predictable, but overall I was so taken in by the undersea world that I was happy to let the plot take me through it however it wanted to. Also I just want to stress that the game had such an effective crushing atmosphere, no pun intended on my part. There were so many consistent nods to the idea of a world in ruins it was a joy to play through and see them all.

And the article you linked about Objectivism, I don't agree at all with what the response was. Saying Bioshock isn't about Existentialism / Objectivism is like saying the Pope isn't a Catholic. It's thick to the gills with Existentialist thinking throughout the entire game. Even if the author thought that it wasn't Objectivist thinking that ruined the city, the point of the game is that it did. That's what one of the central messages is. And I for one don't think it was badly delivered. I finished the game thinking: Would this happen in reality? It is, after all, just an interpretation, and I'm fine with people having their own ideas whether Bioshock is right or not. But just bringing up these questions is what makes the story that much better. The game isn't bad because you don't agree with what the creator's message is. Actually the journalist even says he should've given the Bioshock writers a lot more credit!

3) I kind of agree that the shifts between parts of the city were a bit jarring. If I wanted to go through taking photos of everyone then I would find it a real pain going through all the loading screens and boats. In the game's defence I would say that the basic plotline and pacing is alright. There was a time when things started to sag and the levels were tedious, I totally agree. However just when I was getting to the point where it was actually boring, the game picked up again. I can't ever imagine myself playing it again, but then I could say the same thing about Portal 1 or 2. I'd put this problem more down to the fact that it's a depressing nightmare city with a crushing atmosphere deep in the ocean, and surely that kind of heavy story will result in players being put off if it is effective. I'd still not put that down as a criticism however.

Posted by: BlitzSage 11th May 2011 18:03
Quote (sweetdude @ 11th May 2011 10:57)
And the article you linked about Objectivism, I don't agree at all with what the response was. Saying Bioshock isn't about Existentialism / Objectivism is like saying the Pope isn't a Catholic. It's thick to the gills with Existentialist thinking throughout the entire game. Even if the author thought that it wasn't Objectivist thinking that ruined the city, the point of the game is that it did. That's what one of the central messages is. And I for one don't think it was badly delivered. I finished the game thinking: Would this happen in reality? It is, after all, just an interpretation, and I'm fine with people having their own ideas whether Bioshock is right or not. But just bringing up these questions is what makes the story that much better. The game isn't bad because you don't agree with what the creator's message is. Actually the journalist even says he should've given the Bioshock writers a lot more credit!

The whole key to Objectivist thought, from the words of Ayn Rand: you should not place anyone's well being above your own. Ayn Rand described herself as being anti-altruistic, meaning she did not believe in charity. The idea is that they tried to make their own society with no government intervention where people looked out for their own self interests rather than others. And because of this
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one person takes over and manipulates you through the first half of the game. Their critique is that Objectivism places no barriers on the possibility for one's interest could to lead to manipulation.
And I should point out that, while other games have fine stories, this may be one of the only ones ever that you could have a deep philosophical argument with it. In that sense, it could very well be one of the most important games of the past decade.

They might fail, perhaps, in pointing out the flaws in that branch of philosophy, but in criticizing the entire realist political paradigm it points out that only caring for yourself leads to destruction. This could lead one to believe that people like Ayn Rand had a distorted opinion of what an individual's self interest is.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 19th May 2011 11:25
Alright here's one.
I prefered Majora's Mask to Ocarina of Time. AND WHAT

Posted by: BlitzSage 19th May 2011 13:33
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 19th May 2011 07:25)
Alright here's one.
I prefered Majora's Mask to Ocarina of Time. AND WHAT

So did my cousin! And (though I'm not too big on the LoZ series) so did I! I thought it took more risks and was more interesting.

Posted by: Aeris-Logan 19th May 2011 14:59
I will add to the Zelda post by making it more generalized :

I prefer Pre 64 Zelda to any post 64 Zelda. But that goes along with all the games anymore (Metroid, Mario, etc).

Posted by: Sherick 20th May 2011 05:14
I too preferred Majora's Mask, though Ocarina is still amongst my favorite games. I just think Majora's Mask is a borderline work of art.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 20th May 2011 09:12
Ah. maybe not so unpopular then. Can you expand on the 'work of art' thing Sherick?
I'll make a new thread..

Posted by: vividesu 21st May 2011 01:47
Well, MM's clearly superior I do agree.
Regardless, OOT was amazing and OOT3DS will be as well.

And as far as unpopular opinions go, MISCHIEF MAKERS (N64) IS A GREAT GAME.

Posted by: Smash Genesis 22nd May 2011 14:49
Here's unpopular for you:

I don't like the Legend of Zelda!

It's a shame,really. On paper, it's got everything I could ever want: Epic fantasy, brain-bending puzzles, great music and graphics... but it just doesn't "click" for me the way other games do.

Posted by: Aeris-Logan 22nd May 2011 18:38
None of them ? Ive met people who like the older ones (myself included) or people that like the newer ones ... but never someone who didnt like either. Guess that definitely qualifies for this thread. smile.gif

Posted by: BlitzSage 22nd May 2011 22:01
Quote (Smash Genesis @ 22nd May 2011 10:49)
Here's unpopular for you:

I don't like the Legend of Zelda!

It's a shame,really. On paper, it's got everything I could ever want: Epic fantasy, brain-bending puzzles, great music and graphics... but it just doesn't "click" for me the way other games do.

I'll go to the unpopular edge-of-cliff along with you. And what I've said previously about MM I still believe. But overall, there are other series that are much more interesting to me. The reason for me is the reason I just posted in the MM thread. Unlike, say, the top FF games, or another brilliant adventure/puzzle game Shadow of the Colossus, LoZ doesn't really bring up philosophical ideas (excluding MM, as I stated). Now, full disclosure. I've probably not given them (the LoZ games) enough time to think over. But the FF games make you question systems of power (games like VI, VII, IX, CT all seem to show some Marxist ideas). I just don't see that from LoZ, though they're great adventure games.

Posted by: RelmArrowney 22nd May 2011 22:24
I'm going to get ostracized for this!

I don't have any care to play Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2.

I've even heard from several people I'd like it, but it looks really space-sci-fi, and I hate space sci fi. I never even saw all of Star Wars!

Posted by: Chewbekah 22nd May 2011 22:40
I'm not a big fan of the Dragon Quest series. In idea, they should be perfect because they are turn based and don't get me wrong DQ 8 was a gorgeously colorful game visually but I hate grinding and you have to grind in those games. I'm also not a fan of the Tales of.....series despite their very nice and colorful visuals either because I don't like the free for all battle system and AI controlled characters. I think the only situation where I've like the execution of AI controlled characters is Secret of Mana. The switch easy switch between to gain control of the other characters was good and a lot smoother in my opinion.

Also, Frog and Ayla are my least favorite characters in Chrono Trigger.

Posted by: BlitzSage 22nd May 2011 23:43
Quote (RelmArrowney @ 22nd May 2011 18:24)
I'm going to get ostracized for this!

I don't have any care to play Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2.

I've even heard from several people I'd like it, but it looks really space-sci-fi, and I hate space sci fi. I never even saw all of Star Wars!

Wow, how do you watch movies? lol. Everything's sci-fi these days.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 23rd May 2011 10:14
Quote (RelmArrowney @ 22nd May 2011 22:24)
I've even heard from several people I'd like it, but it looks really space-sci-fi, and I hate space sci fi.� I never even saw all of Star Wars!

Yeah I thought Star Wars in general was a steaming pile of ****. This is probably because I watched every film in a few days, aged 19, with no nostalgia filter.
The exception is Empire Strikes Back, which I quite liked.

My suggestion to you is read William Gibson's Neuromancer . Specifically, It's one of the earliest Cyberpunk novels, I won't advertise it any more though it's up to you after all.
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Wow, how do you watch movies? lol.


Also Relm; Wow, how do you play (later) FF? lol.

Posted by: RelmArrowney 23rd May 2011 11:20
Blinge, I liked FFVII (wasn't about space), haha.

I should clarify smile.gif

Robots are awesome, so any game with robots (Tio from Grandia II) I really like, especially if they have an identity crisis. I just don't care for overly sophisticated technology usually. Not a fan of metallic backdrops!

But space travel, other planets, and the like really don't interest me. The story itself would have to be fantastic with notes of sci-fi space travel, and not just mostly space travel (Star Ocean 3). Star Ocean 2 had a great balance because although you met other people from different planets and even travelled to another planet, it didn't take place in a space ship. Sucks, because I heard Star Ocean 3 was actually pretty good. I just can't get into that type of game as easily.


Posted by: BlitzSage 23rd May 2011 17:49
Quote (RelmArrowney @ 23rd May 2011 07:20)
Blinge, I liked FFVII (wasn't about space), haha.

There was space travel, well, almost, lol.

Posted by: jtdurai 23rd May 2011 20:20
Here's an unpopular opinion: FFX is better than all three of the PS1 Final Fantasies, including FFVII. It could have been improved by a real world map though. eh.gif

Also: Not to resurrect the topic of Bioshock from up above, but I love Bioshock to death. I thought the atmosphere was awesome and the story had me grinning from ear to ear. Objectivism is a completely ridiculous philosophy, and Bioshock does a decent job showing the player why.

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FFX is not better than FFT.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 9th June 2011 17:19
@Narratorway: Well, were the environments fun to experience, at least? The map doesn't look too complicated.

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OH HOLY CRAP THERE WAS ANOTHER PAGE OF POSTS.

Posted by: Narratorway 7th August 2011 07:42
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 9th June 2011 10:19)
@Narratorway: Well, were the environments fun to experience, at least? The map doesn't look too complicated.

The point regarding the map was to say that if the level design was worth a damn, the map wouldn't be confusing in the first place.

But no, I didn't find the environments all that compelling. You had your lava level, your plant level, ice caves...etc. It was so uninspired, it practically felt like a parody. If it had included a minecart level, I wouldn't have been all that surprised. They also completely lacked any scale. Doom3 had more open environments.

Posted by: Death Penalty 8th August 2011 03:03
Quote (jtdurai @ 23rd May 2011 16:20)
Here's an unpopular opinion: FFX is better than all three of the PS1 Final Fantasies, including FFVII. It could have been improved by a real world map though. eh.gif

A potentially unpopular opinion that I happen to fully agree with biggrin.gif

Actually, as I was playing it earlier today, I thought the same thing: FFX with a world map you could actually explore by airship would have been really interesting. I don't think it would have worked well if you were able to walk over the world map like in all the previous FFs simply because, unlike the FFs before it, you can actually walk through from any one area to another (aside from the islands, of course). Since you actually can travel the world by foot, and in a manner that is considerably more realistic than its predecessors, I don't think a world map in the sense of, say, FFVII would have been successful. But just being able to pilot the airship yourself would have been an interesting addition.

Heh, sorry for jumping off topic there.

Posted by: Chell172 8th August 2011 14:14
Quote (Death Penalty @ 8th August 2011 04:03)
Quote (jtdurai @ 23rd May 2011 16:20)
Here's an unpopular opinion: FFX is better than all three of the PS1 Final Fantasies, including FFVII. It could have been improved by a real world map though. eh.gif

A potentially unpopular opinion that I happen to fully agree with biggrin.gif

Actually, as I was playing it earlier today, I thought the same thing: FFX with a world map you could actually explore by airship would have been really interesting. I don't think it would have worked well if you were able to walk over the world map like in all the previous FFs simply because, unlike the FFs before it, you can actually walk through from any one area to another (aside from the islands, of course). Since you actually can travel the world by foot, and in a manner that is considerably more realistic than its predecessors, I don't think a world map in the sense of, say, FFVII would have been successful. But just being able to pilot the airship yourself would have been an interesting addition.

Heh, sorry for jumping off topic there.

I thought FFX was too linear. You can't really travel that many places until you're almost done with the game.

Posted by: seraphimdreamer777 8th August 2011 20:15
I hate online games period.

When your new at a game people call you a noob. sad.gif
most gaming related deaths come from online games.
Your friends are not at your house.
In online RPG's you have to make friends sometimes with random people to complete certain tasks.
When you are a veteran they still call you a noob. mad.gif
you can't talk to your friend unless you wear a stupid Blutooth headset or something.
Another thing in online RPG's the guys who thinks it's funny to kill ya when they're level 100 and your level 1 just so they can laugh at your pain.
If your a pro at a game and make one little mistake they call you a NOOB!!! pinch.gif

Posted by: laszlow 17th March 2012 00:06
I hate TWEWY. That is all.

Posted by: BlitzSage 19th March 2012 02:24
I hesitated to put this on here, but I wasn't too big on Red Dead Redemption.

The reason I hesitated though was, perhaps it's because I've been playing the Mass Effect series, and to go from that level of writing to anything else is difficult.

It's a good game, but I didn't like the writing and characters very much.

Posted by: l)arkShadow 3rd May 2012 16:31
Am I the only one here that does not hate FIFA? It's the most fun game to play nowadays for me haha.

I hated Oblivion. But I love Skyrim. I don't know why, but Oblivion was just so boring and tedious to me, while Skyrim is a lot more enjoyable.

Also, I think Earthbound is better than any Final Fantasy game. (Except FF6, of course).

Posted by: BlitzSage 4th May 2012 21:09
Quote (l)arkShadow @ 3rd May 2012 12:31)
Am I the only one here that does not hate FIFA? It's the most fun game to play nowadays for me haha.

I hated Oblivion. But I love Skyrim. I don't know why, but Oblivion was just so boring and tedious to me, while Skyrim is a lot more enjoyable.

Also, I think Earthbound is better than any Final Fantasy game. (Except FF6, of course).

I guess it's not a video game opinion--but it is a gaming opinion--I can't stand soccer. It's such a boring game, and you never know when it's going to end. The clock just keeps counting up.

Posted by: Dragon_Fire 5th May 2012 05:45
Quote (BlitzSage @ 4th May 2012 17:09)
I guess it's not a video game opinion--but it is a gaming opinion--I can't stand soccer. It's such a boring game, and you never know when it's going to end. The clock just keeps counting up.

It ends at 90 minutes, plus stoppage time for penalties and injuries, but that is generally somewhere between two to four minutes? It's actually a fairly short game compared to hockey, football or any other sport, it just isn't as broken up or spread out.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 11th May 2012 18:37
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Also, I think Earthbound is better than any Final Fantasy game. (Except FF6, of course).


Earthbound has a pretty engaging story once you get further into it. It's the early-game that's a bit slow. And also, the interface for managing things like items, PSI powers, and interacting with features is rather clunky.

Other than that, it's a matter of taste whether you like its quirks, such as the absurd humor and the many references.

Posted by: MogMaster 11th July 2012 14:48
Quote (l)arkShadow @ 3rd May 2012 12:31)

I hated Oblivion. But I love Skyrim. I don't know why, but Oblivion was just so boring and tedious to me, while Skyrim is a lot more enjoyable.

It's because in Oblivion the whole game you have the cold breath of The Man breathing down your neck. In Skyrim there's more of a sense of freedom. Perhaps it would make me unpopular to say that Morrowind was, IMHO, the height of the series so far, and it's been going downhill since.

Posted by: Narratorway 11th July 2012 17:34
Isn't Morrowind the one where you can 'miss' strikes if your stats aren't high enough even though it's in real time and you can literally see your weapon thunk the baddie?

Posted by: Dragon_Fire 11th July 2012 19:07
Quote (MogMaster @ 11th July 2012 10:48)
It's because in Oblivion the whole game you have the cold breath of The Man breathing down your neck. In Skyrim there's more of a sense of freedom. Perhaps it would make me unpopular to say that Morrowind was, IMHO, the height of the series so far, and it's been going downhill since.

You wouldn't be alone in that opinion, MG. Morrowind is still my favorite of the Elder Scrolls if only for the sheer scope of the game itself. It's not as pretty, nor as polished, but it had atmosphere and a certain richness to the world that Oblivion could never recapture. Even Skyrim, for how much I love it, doesn't quite recreate the magic I felt playing Morrowind.

Posted by: MogMaster 12th July 2012 14:01
Quote (Narratorway @ 11th July 2012 13:34)
Isn't Morrowind the one where you can 'miss' strikes if your stats aren't high enough even though it's in real time and you can literally see your weapon thunk the baddie?


Indeed it is! d100 mechanics FTW.

I think part of what gave Morrowind it's "richness" and "atmosphere" as DF puts it, is the fact that it had no fast travel system. This added a degree of realism, since you were only ever able to fast travel to any given location as far as the nearest port or silt-strider platform. Sure, you could make ridiculously overpowered jump spells later on to zip wherever you wanted, but even that had an element of the uncertain in it, and besides, was still way more fun than opening my map and clicking where I want to go. That, and the Dunmer, and their whole culture, really, was horribly interesting. Dagoth Ur was one of the best villains I've ever seen in a video game. What's described as an "alien and inhospitable landscape" is what makes Morrowind so damn fun. It's like everything is turned upside-down there, and half the game you spend battling this very element- i.e blight storms, slavery, strange diseases, angry Commona-Tong, 6th House cultists that attack you when you're sleeping, over 9000 cliff-racers, the native religion, the xenophobic tribes of ashlanders, Telvanni wizards in towers made of giant mushrooms, etc.

Posted by: Narratorway 12th July 2012 15:35
Quote (MogMaster @ 12th July 2012 07:01)
Indeed it is! d100 mechanics FTW.

I think part of what gave Morrowind it's "richness" and "atmosphere" as DF puts it, is the fact that it had no fast travel system.

HA HA no. The sooner stats are removed from realtime spacial interaction, the better and I don't see how something that is completely optional automatically removes atmosphere or richness.

Posted by: MogMaster 12th July 2012 16:49
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Quote (MogMaster @ 12th July 2012 07:01)
Indeed it is!� d100 mechanics FTW.

I think part of what gave Morrowind it's "richness" and "atmosphere" as DF puts it,� is the fact that it had no fast travel system.

HA HA no. The sooner stats are removed from realtime spacial interaction, the better and I don't see how something that is completely optional automatically removes atmosphere or richness.

I wouldn't say "automatically". The fact that it's there makes it hard not to use, though. I should mention I'm weak willed, and want to do things as fast and efficiently as possible. The fact that I'm able fast travel certainly makes it hard not to utilize it. Being forced to slow down by not having any option was nice for me, and I'm sure there are a lot of people that I share this fault with.

If it was a matter of added realism, as something like removing stats would create, then the newer Elder Scrolls games can't be said to be any better than Morrowind in that regard. Everything you do is still completely stat based.

So far as the differences in the mechanics of those stats go, is the fact that I may hit with a knife but don't know how to do damage with it, more realistic than some magical dagger always just being awesome, but I can't manage to strike with it, presumably because I'm unfamiliar with the type of weapon itself? Sort of. The fact of the matter is, the concept of having weapon skills is a bit of a farce in principle. But I don't play RPG's full of wizards and elves for their ability to emulate real world mechanics, and I don't think the former option presented is all that less realistic than the latter-- if anything I'd judge d20 Dungeons and Dragons mechanics the "most realistic", such as those given to us in KOTOR. Certainly the latter scenario is less frustrating though. Spending five minutes trying to shiv a mudcrab with an iron dagger, and STILL ultimately getting taken out yourself is rough sad.gif .

Posted by: BlitzSage 14th July 2012 05:15
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Quote (MogMaster @ 11th July 2012 10:48)
It's because in Oblivion the whole game you have the cold breath of The Man breathing down your neck. In Skyrim there's more of a sense of freedom. Perhaps it would make me unpopular to say that Morrowind was, IMHO, the height of the series so far, and it's been going downhill since.

You wouldn't be alone in that opinion, MG. Morrowind is still my favorite of the Elder Scrolls if only for the sheer scope of the game itself. It's not as pretty, nor as polished, but it had atmosphere and a certain richness to the world that Oblivion could never recapture. Even Skyrim, for how much I love it, doesn't quite recreate the magic I felt playing Morrowind.

I've wondered for quite some time if this is true. I haven't played Morrowind, nor have I played Oblivion (owned but couldn't play, because my XBox stopped saving and I could never get into it). Some may argue that the advances in technology help the newer games in the series, and that is why it will probably be more popular in the future to say Elder Scrolls [insert newest] is the best ever. But the problem with sandbox games is that these games are basically the same ones created over and over again, at least on a fundamental level. When Morrowind came out, the formula was relatively new, but Skyrim benefits from the past iterations honing its gameplay. Yet, game after game in the series doesn't stray too far in innovation.

With all of that in mind, the popular opinion today is that WRPGs are dominant, but how can copy-paste (with improvement and new "wallpaper") beat in the long run, the great JRPGs that had their formulas but always came up with something unique and interesting?

Posted by: MogMaster 25th July 2012 02:36
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Quote (MogMaster @ 11th July 2012 10:48)
It's because in Oblivion the whole game you have the cold breath of The Man breathing down your neck. In Skyrim there's more of a sense of freedom. Perhaps it would make me unpopular to say that Morrowind was, IMHO, the height of the series so far, and it's been going downhill since.

You wouldn't be alone in that opinion, MG. Morrowind is still my favorite of the Elder Scrolls if only for the sheer scope of the game itself. It's not as pretty, nor as polished, but it had atmosphere and a certain richness to the world that Oblivion could never recapture. Even Skyrim, for how much I love it, doesn't quite recreate the magic I felt playing Morrowind.

I've wondered for quite some time if this is true. I haven't played Morrowind, nor have I played Oblivion (owned but couldn't play, because my XBox stopped saving and I could never get into it). Some may argue that the advances in technology help the newer games in the series, and that is why it will probably be more popular in the future to say Elder Scrolls [insert newest] is the best ever. But the problem with sandbox games is that these games are basically the same ones created over and over again, at least on a fundamental level. When Morrowind came out, the formula was relatively new, but Skyrim benefits from the past iterations honing its gameplay. Yet, game after game in the series doesn't stray too far in innovation.

With all of that in mind, the popular opinion today is that WRPGs are dominant, but how can copy-paste (with improvement and new "wallpaper") beat in the long run, the great JRPGs that had their formulas but always came up with something unique and interesting?

I actually put about 50 hours of gameplay into Oblivion this week, and having finally given the game a more thorough shot, I still maintain that, despite my personal preference for the atmosphere of Skyrim, that Oblivion was a better game, although still not so good as Morrowind. I think, however, I've gotten some better insight into why.

The thing about Skyrim is the enchanting and smithing trees are too breakable, and have a nasty habit of making the unique items and Daedric artifacts pretty much obsolete. If it was just a matter of forgoing the option to pursue these trees, I would forgive this, but the problem is the items and artifacts themselves all seem to be nerfed, and unless you pursue the option to become overpowered, you run the risk of being useless. I like the smithing and enchanting systems they put in, but I do think they need a tune up at least if they're to make it into ESVI (which I hope is in the province of Blackmarsh. Fingers crossed). For one, making an iron dagger shouldn't be worth as much as a Daedric war-hammer wink.gif .

I also feel that too many of the NPC's were un-killable and that it ruins the game experience. Part of what made Morrowind so great was the option to go genocidal over the whole map, with only the threat of guards re-spawning being a problem.

Another thing is that the main-quest/guild-quests, which were equally good, and in some places superior to Morrowind in Oblivion, really took a nose-dive in Skyrim. I did the Thieves Guild quest in Oblivion and was totally blown away by how badass it was, what with the final heist being an infiltration of the Imperial Tower, the heart of the freaking Empire, to steal an Elder Scroll. But in Skyrim I just felt like it was another dungeon grind, and the final job being nothing more than one more dive into an ancient Nord tomb WITH OTHER PEOPLE. This seemed ridiculous to me, and I felt it just devolved the idea of a Thieves Guild into a Fighters Guild with a little bit of stealth. Also, there was the random side-jobs, which I just found irritating. Presumably they were supposed to replace the "independent thievery" quest of Oblivion, but they were mostly boring, irritating, and seemed like a poor attempt to add actual thievery to a thieves guild quest-line with all-too little of it.

To Skyrim's credit, they equaled Oblivion with their Dark-Brotherhood quest-line. For one, they never lost site of what an assassin does, and secondly, despite the quest-line being somewhat shorter, the final job for it was beyond awesome.

Really, I think a lot my issues had to do with lack of creativity in Skyrim's dungeons. They sacrificed the quality of their mazes for length by putting back-exits into pretty much every single one of them. It also doesn't help that the Skyrim lacked the sinister element present in Morrowind and Oblivion, where in both of the former games you're fighting cults of some sort. Dragon's themselves don't quite make up for this, and there's no substitute for an insane cult of humans trying to take the powers of the gods. Certainly the Dragon's were cold and sinister at times, but that struck me more as being by nature, unlike their Big-Bad predecessors, which were primarily human. This dark human element of sacrifice added a lot to the dungeons, in places like Morrowind's sixth-house bases, that could seemingly be ready to surprise you in any random cave, and Oblvion's Oblivion Gates, with their bizarre Daedric architecture, cages that dropped victims hundreds of feet to be impaled by big vicious spikes, and burning corpses hanging upside-down around every turn.

This brings me to the last thing, which is that Skyrim lacked the long, yet satisfying, grind that it's predecessors did. In Morrowind you had to go and convince three great houses and four ashland tribes to back you, and in Oblivion you had to go close an Oblivion Gate at every city to convince said cities to come help you. Skyrim lacked this element in it's main quest, which, despite being tedious at times, always felt rewarding when you finished. They made the grinds optional, for instance with the dragon-priest masks, which if they were added to the main-quest, I feel, would have enriched the experience. Then again, what would it have mattered, since unique magic items were petty much useless in this game anyway?

I definitely enjoyed Skyrim, don't get me wrong. It was a great game with a lot of great elements, and was definitely a shining example of another great Elder Scrolls game (a series I feel to be probably the best RPG series currently in existence), but as a huge fan, I also have a large amount of criticism. Certainly I can't wait for Elder Scrolls VI, but I have to hope that the the last two games were only a dip in the curve after Morrowind before everything bounces back up to new heights, and I'm completely blown away by the crowning achievement that the next game is.

Posted by: BlitzSage 28th July 2012 04:50
It did seem at points that Skyrim that some of the dungeons were lacking in uniqueness, but I tink it's mostly because they put in so much. I wouldn't be surprised if that turns out to be a needless sacrifice. I have a friend that swears by Oblivion. Says that it's one of his favorite games of all time. Yet, my friend also likes Chrono Trigger and FFVI more. Now, I don't know how unpopular it is on this forum, but I imagine that in the entire gaming community people prefer WRPGs over JRPGs. But to me as good as WRPGs are, things like you discussed happening in Oblivion's Thieve's Guild, special moments like that seen to happen all the time in the classic JRPGs. Games like Chrono Trigger are filled with special moments like that.

... Okay, favoring JRPGs over WRPGs is not necessarily unpopular, especially here. I've been saving this really unpopular one: I think Donkey Kong Country is a better platforming series than Super Mario Brothers.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 28th July 2012 17:08
DKC definitely has more generous hit detection than SMB. And less annoying momentum effects. (Well, I find momentum effects annoying.)

Posted by: BlitzSage 29th July 2012 03:16
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 28th July 2012 13:08)
DKC definitely has more generous hit detection than SMB. And less annoying momentum effects. (Well, I find momentum effects annoying.)

If by momentum effects you mean sliding after jumping, then that's a main reason I love those games more, other than the claymation-style graphics and humor.

Posted by: Narratorway 30th July 2012 03:35
The more I think about it, the more I realize http://rantsofneil.tumblr.com/post/28212540830/doom3-is-a-better-videogame-than-half-life-2

Posted by: BlitzSage 2nd August 2012 04:11
I think that Doom 3 is vastly underrated.

Posted by: Dragon_Fire 2nd August 2012 07:06
I just never enjoyed the Doom or Wolfenstein games, at all. I acknowledge the part they played in the games we have now, and I respect their place in whatever gamer history of things that were important to the genre, especially with regards to shooters, but yeah, never really enjoyed any of 'em.

Here's one I get a lot of hate for:

I really enjoy the .hack series of games. They aren't perfect, not by a long shot, but they have some great concepts in play and they were just...fun? That's really the criteria I have for a game at the end of the day.

Posted by: piggme89 2nd August 2012 17:07
Quote (SilverMaduin @ 20th October 2010 21:17)
I despise the God Of War series.

The gameplay itself is fairly okay, but Kratos is revolting to say the least. I can't stand him to the point nausea.

Also, I believe MMORPGs are the devil - they're fruitless, boring, grind-fest, copy-pasted boredom marathons. While many of them feature some nice gameplay or skill development schemes (SMT:Imagine, City of Heroes) and others are quite pretty in their own right (FFXI, XIV) their nature, as things that lock you into prolonged pointless repetition and demand your time on appointment makes them evil in my eyes. Also, boring.

I cannot stand the God of War series either, and I also agree that MMORPG's are terra-bad. They always have you repeat the same tasks over an over until you get some new item; then what? You do it again.

That being said I also do not like most first-person shooters, and I don't really are for Disgeae 4, it lacks the charm of the others. I also think that Assassin's Creed games are bad, except for the first one.

I could write about games I don't like but "pop culture" says are good, so I will leave it at this for now.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 17th August 2012 21:47
Here is something new:I watched an lper named hcbailey play FFXII, and i enjoyed the lp and the game more than i have in a long time.I liked the real time combat, and didn't mind the characters at all.It seemed waay more fun than FFXIII.I also seem to not be all that interested in lost oddyssey.Its not a bad game, but its gameplay lacks charm of old jrps.There are some rather good story moments, but i feel that some moments ruin the game.Another new thing:beating silent hill 1 has caught my attention to the series, convincing me to buy more games in the series.

Posted by: laszlow 17th August 2012 23:48
Quote (laszlow @ 20th October 2010 17:15)
I think that every game in the Metal Gear series is an overrated piece of crap. I think that every game in the Shin Megami Tensei series is an overrated piece of crap. I think that every game in the Kingdom Hearts series is an overrated piece of crap. I think that... nevermind, I'll stop.

OK, OK. Now that I've played through FES and played 4+ hours of Nocturne, Persona 2: Innocent Sin, Persona 4, and Devil Summoner, I'll say that there are a few exceptions to that SMT comment above ... Persona 3 and Persona 4 are the only Shin Megami Tensei games worth playing.

And oh man this thread is so much fun to read through. I love sipping on some Haterade every now and then. Time for another glass:

Tales of Symphonia is an okay RPG at best. It's maybe the fourth- or fifth-best RPG on the GameCube, nothing more. It's not even one the five best Tales Of games. Its combat and customization systems are all surpassed by later Tales Of games, and its characters and storyline run the gamut from tired cliche to annoying anime stereotype to simply uninteresting. Overrated in 2004, not worth playing in 2012.

Posted by: Gabe 20th August 2012 06:07
I have many.

First off, Ocarina of Time is a bloated mess and is one of the weaker games of the series (it still has many strong selling points). Link to the Past is the best game in the entire series.

Secondly, Final Fantasy VII is the most overrated RPG of all time. The Materia system felt very unrewarding to me, the story feels like a mix of I and VI, and I don't feel very highly of it.

Finally, I hate all BioWare games. Now those of you who know me from chat, I apparently hate everything. But I have at least given them a try. DA:O, ME, SW:ToR. I gave them their fair share, but they were some of the worst games I've ever played. While they are buggy, I look more towards Bethesda's version of the Fallout series and Elder Scrolls V when I need my Western RPG fix.

Posted by: Sherick 20th August 2012 08:06
You hate KOTOR too?

Posted by: ramza_beoulve 3rd September 2012 07:55
With the exceptions of Link's Awakening, Orcale of Time, and Oracle of Seasons, I hated pretty much every Zelda game after A Link to the Past.

Posted by: omnislash5209 26th September 2012 03:11
I personally hate every resident evil since 4. what happened to the horror? tupid parasites were pathetic and end boss was too easy.

also hate any call of duty game, Ghost recon beats Call of Doody into a bloody pulp.

ff12 was worst ff in the series, barring the online ones. they dont count. its a complete ripoff of star wars.

also didnt like borderlands, felt like falllout vomited this game up and someone produced.

and i like pokemon. every generation.

Posted by: St Khael 26th September 2012 17:00
I have to agree with a fair number of you: A link to the past is the best game out of the Zelda series in my opinion. Granted, that could be because it was the very first video game I ever played, but even now it's far more engrossing than Ocarina or Twilight Princess and by far more entertaining than Skyward Sword.

I also think FFVII is severely overrated. I had problems with it when I first played, despite being a fan of it then and even enjoying Advent Children. But every time I have played it after the initial run, it has just come across as disappointing. I started another run through this past week ad ended up stopping after the Temple of the Ancients. I find it tedious and dull, sadly, the characters and story line weak and lacking in depth.

Modern games have left me with an intense feeling of abandonment recently. Mass Effect and all of Elder Scrolls have disappointed me in the story department and as pretty as the graphics are and as awesome as the customization is, a bad story will lose my attention quicker than anything else.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 26th September 2012 18:06
Quote (St Khael @ 26th September 2012 17:00)
Mass Effect and all of Elder Scrolls have disappointed me in the story department and as pretty as the graphics are and as awesome as the customization is, a bad story will lose my attention quicker than anything else.

Oh? I thought ME's story was supposed to be good?

Well I was only around 10 hours into it, but Dragon Age: Origins had a pretty good story.
what system are you using?

Posted by: St Khael 26th September 2012 18:22
I had it on the Xbox 360. I've heard good things about Dragon Age: Origins and I have it around here somewhere for my computer, but I haven't popped it into the disc drive yet. I've been more into Starcraft and Guild Wars as of late, but Origins is next on my list. smile.gif

Posted by: BlitzSage 26th September 2012 20:16
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 23rd October 2010 07:59)
Hmm call me crazy but,i actually didn't dislike the first kingdom hearts,though i never played the other ones.

I just played KH1 and loved it. But I didn't really like the other ones.

Btw, I personally don't think FFVII is overrated anymore. There comes a point when so many people say it's overrated, that it's no longer unpopular to say it's overrated. In fact, I think that the oppisite is now true. I think FFVII is underrated now.

Posted by: Dragon_Fire 28th September 2012 01:53
Quote (St Khael @ 26th September 2012 14:22)
I had it on the Xbox 360. I've heard good things about Dragon Age: Origins and I have it around here somewhere for my computer, but I haven't popped it into the disc drive yet. I've been more into Starcraft and Guild Wars as of late, but Origins is next on my list. smile.gif

Play more Starcraft. It's good for your soul.

I really liked the Max Payne series as a whole and I feel like the third one, while fun, just isn't a true Max Payne game. It's almost funny how bad Max's day to day life is, and while that's been true in every incarnation, this one just feels like its being done for the sake of it. Literally every bridge he steps on breaks. Every building he enters is blown up or burnt down. Every character he interacts with either dies, betrays him or both. Sometimes, even in that order.

3 just feels like a game giving a polite nod to the original, and then going off and doing its own thing. Also, the whole control scheme being designed predominantly for a console controller is absolutely frustrating and you feel it with every clumsy movement Max makes. And, God help you should you wander into the online multi-player where the auto-aim feature remains completely intact and essentially does the work for you.

I still think Bullet-time is cool.

Posted by: laszlow 28th September 2012 02:39
Quote (BlitzSage @ 26th September 2012 15:16)
Btw, I personally don't think FFVII is overrated anymore. There comes a point when so many people say it's overrated, that it's no longer unpopular to say it's overrated. In fact, I think that the oppisite is now true. I think FFVII is underrated now.

Totally agree. I see similar situations happen in sports all the time, and weirdly the reverse can also be true - everyone called Ben Wallace underrated for so long that he became overrated, and Chicago busted the bank to sign him in 2006 for $60 million over four years. Wallace put up weak numbers, played subpar defense, and only lasted two years before the Bulls got rid of him. The point is that Underrated and Overrated can be useful descriptors, but sometimes they can change perception of something so much that everyone forgets the truth of the matter.

My favorite gaming example is probably Legend of Dragoon for the PS1. LoD is not a great game (more on this in a sec), and had mixed reactions from critics when it came out (78% on GR, with scores ranging between 5.5 and 10.0, several of those scores coming years later). RPG fans LOVE to call LoD an underrated RPG, mostly because they want to talk up PS1 RPGs made by someone other than Square. It's been like that for so long that the game has (IMO, of course) become incredibly overrated. It's hard to love a game where every move other than using a healing item takes 20-30 seconds to perform (often with timed button presses) and has way too many goddamn random battles in its long dungeon slogs and bat****-crazy narrative. The game should be 25 hours long, but the wasted time for fights make it last closer to 60 hours. It has some nice visuals for the year 2000 and a few interesting characters, but Legend of Dragoon is not a superior RPG. Everyone calls LoD underrated, but it's overrated.

Posted by: BlitzSage 28th September 2012 03:39
Quote (laszlow @ 27th September 2012 22:39)
Quote (BlitzSage @ 26th September 2012 15:16)
Btw, I personally don't think FFVII is overrated anymore. There comes a point when so many people say it's overrated, that it's no longer unpopular to say it's overrated. In fact, I think that the oppisite is now true. I think FFVII is underrated now.

Totally agree. I see similar situations happen in sports all the time, and weirdly the reverse can also be true - everyone called Ben Wallace underrated for so long that he became overrated, and Chicago busted the bank to sign him in 2006 for $60 million over four years. Wallace put up weak numbers, played subpar defense, and only lasted two years before the Bulls got rid of him. The point is that Underrated and Overrated can be useful descriptors, but sometimes they can change perception of something so much that everyone forgets the truth of the matter.

My favorite gaming example is probably Legend of Dragoon for the PS1. LoD is not a great game (more on this in a sec), and had mixed reactions from critics when it came out (78% on GR, with scores ranging between 5.5 and 10.0, several of those scores coming years later). RPG fans LOVE to call LoD an underrated RPG, mostly because they want to talk up PS1 RPGs made by someone other than Square. It's been like that for so long that the game has (IMO, of course) become incredibly overrated. It's hard to love a game where every move other than using a healing item takes 20-30 seconds to perform (often with timed button presses) and has way too many goddamn random battles in its long dungeon slogs and bat****-crazy narrative. The game should be 25 hours long, but the wasted time for fights make it last closer to 60 hours. It has some nice visuals for the year 2000 and a few interesting characters, but Legend of Dragoon is not a superior RPG. Everyone calls LoD underrated, but it's overrated.

(Funny thing, I just had a friend try to get me into LoD, and I also saw it on IGN's list too, so I'd guess that you're right).

I think that it's well-intentioned, at first at least. In Legend of Dragoon's case, calling it underrated was another way of saying, "Square's not the only company making RPGs. Don't just try whatever's popular." That's good and all, but then the myth builds as devoted fans keep hyping it, and suddenly it goes too far.

The same goes in reverse for Final Fantasy VII. Originally, calling it overrated was another way of stating that it wasn't the only JRPG that has ever been made. So, okay, at first the "FFVII is overrated" movement had some merit. But then it went over the top, got out of hand. It's funny that people don't use the word bad, they use overrated. Can anyone honestly say it's a bad game? I don't really think so. It certainly isn't what you just described with Legend of Dragoon, which sounds nearly broken to me. Now, if people call it the greatest game ever created, that may be stretching it.

(I hope Ben Wallace doesn't read these forums. He may not be the best player in the NBA, but I wouldn't want him to know my address if he's angry.)

Posted by: laszlow 28th September 2012 04:01
Ha, don't fret about the Ben Wallace thing. I'm pretty sure I ganked that overrated/underrated Wallace opinion from a Bill Simmons article circa 2008, and sports forums are probably the most awful, hateful, vitriolic internet spots I've ever heard of, barring cluster****s like 4chan or actual unironic hate groups.

I was using LoD an example for a "reverse FF VII" where underrated becomes overrated but I guess I didn't make that clear in my ramblings. I think we basically agree with each other - I just worded things confusingly.

The weirdest thing is that I've finished LoD and liked it when I first tried it (I was in high school, so probably around 10 years ago). Every attack is a rhythm-game-esque series of timed button presses, which is cool for awhile but gets old fast. I would get alternately frustrated and enthralled by it, but it took me nearly a year to get through (dropped it and picked it up again multiple times) and after I finally got to the end, I saw the 70+ hours on the play clock and decided that this game was too long, too slow, and often not fun. I will never replay it.


Posted by: BlitzSage 29th September 2012 01:47
Quote (laszlow @ 28th September 2012 00:01)
Ha, don't fret about the Ben Wallace thing. I'm pretty sure I ganked that overrated/underrated Wallace opinion from a Bill Simmons article circa 2008, and sports forums are probably the most awful, hateful, vitriolic internet spots I've ever heard of, barring cluster****s like 4chan or actual unironic hate groups.

I was using LoD an example for a "reverse FF VII" where underrated becomes overrated but I guess I didn't make that clear in my ramblings. I think we basically agree with each other - I just worded things confusingly.

The weirdest thing is that I've finished LoD and liked it when I first tried it (I was in high school, so probably around 10 years ago). Every attack is a rhythm-game-esque series of timed button presses, which is cool for awhile but gets old fast. I would get alternately frustrated and enthralled by it, but it took me nearly a year to get through (dropped it and picked it up again multiple times) and after I finally got to the end, I saw the 70+ hours on the play clock and decided that this game was too long, too slow, and often not fun. I will never replay it.

(Sports fans can be hateful. Who knew!?)

No, it was my fault. I actually just talked to my friend during class about it. I brought up some of your complaints about LoD, and he said that he basically agreed but he loved it despite (or because of) those faults. I'm sure that some people may like something like that, despite its flaws, but I don't that FFVII has those types of problems. Then again, that may now be unpopular.

I'm just wondering, IGN put FFVII at #11 on its top RPGs list. Do people agree with that These days. I mean, at one point VII could be easily placed at the top of that list (maybe about 10-5 years ago). Do people consider IGN's placement unpopular now? Do you think people believe it's higher or lower than 11th?

Posted by: Sherick 30th September 2012 00:28
Quote (BlitzSage @ 26th September 2012 15:16)
I think FFVII is underrated now.

Rofl, still not anywhere close.

Posted by: BlitzSage 30th September 2012 01:48
Quote (Sherick @ 29th September 2012 20:28)
Quote (BlitzSage @ 26th September 2012 15:16)
I think FFVII is underrated now.

Rofl, still not anywhere close.

Okay, but doesn't that prove my point? Three people have now come on this "unpopular" forum and said the same thing, just counting the last two pages. That kind of frequency doesn't make it seem like saying that is an unpopular opinion anymore.

Let me ask you this: do you think people are overrating it by saying it's one of the best games of all time, or when people even say it's good.

In other words, do you think that it's not a "top" game, or that it's not even a good game?

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 30th September 2012 09:35
I think that whole discussion should be put to bed as it detracts from the quality of the game itself, which definitely exists.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 30th September 2012 10:18
FF7 was and still overrated by the fans, but i see lots of love for 6 nowadays.


I think what really gets to me, is that i think its a good game, but not the best.I find that books tend to have better stories, so i tend to go for gameplay in rpgs, but i sometimes enjoy the story too.A lot of the later games after 7 recycle the same stuff in the final fantasy series.

10 was ok.Good gameplay, and the story had its moments, but the old games seemed to still have charm.

FF7 is still occasionally overrated by square enix for plastering cloud and sephiroth, and the subject on calling ff7 overrated gets overrated.The most overrated thing about ff7, are its fans.you find countless sephiroths and clouds through the internet.I have yet to see a zidane or squall.Second most overrated thing about ff7 is by square enix for the fanservice, and countless sequels and prequels.are any of them good? i dunno.Crisis core gets trashed, and dirge of cerberus has been really been trash talked.I also heard the whole emo thing? came from advent children.I never saw it cause i'm not a fan.

About my unpopular opinion:I liked squall more than cloud, and i can't stand quina from ff9.
I also didn't care that much for amarant.

Other unpopular opinions:I liked oblivion.While it undoubtedly has flaws, the assasins guild, and thieves guild are fun quests.I also really liked the madgod quest.

More opinions:I don't see what the big deal is with mass effect 2.I played the demo, and it plays a lot like a tps.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 30th September 2012 11:27
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 30th September 2012 10:18)
Other unpopular opinions:I liked oblivion.While it undoubtedly has flaws, the assasins guild, and thieves guild are fun quests.I also really liked the madgod quest.

Whoa, whoa.. that's far from unpopular

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 30th September 2012 13:58
I see a lot of people bash oblivion.

I can understand some of it, but not all of it.Also:How much is skyrim going for in the us? Here in spain, i saw it going for 80 euros.

Posted by: laszlow 1st October 2012 01:15
Skyrim costs $60 in the United States, or around 46 or 47 euros. Games are always more expensive in Europe or Asia.

I'll avoiding continuing the talk about what's overrated and underrated, but do you know what's ****ing terrible? Every Resident Evil game other than 4. The early ones are boxy 3rd-person tank shooter games and the more recent ones are either crappy rail shooters or subpar 3rd-person action shooters. Resident Evil 4 is good. Every other Resident Evil is not worth playing.

Posted by: omnislash5209 1st October 2012 04:11
I disagree. Resident Evil 4 is when the series started to die in my mind. Turned the game into what every other game today is, a stupid action cliche adventure with absloutly nothing to do with its predecessors other than the main characters name. all the horror was sucked outta the series with this installment. its a fun game, but doesnt deserve the resident evil title. in fact if it had been named anything else id love it.

How about......... Action Hero 1?

Posted by: Narratorway 1st October 2012 08:08
Quote (omnislash5209 @ 30th September 2012 21:11)
in fact if it had been named anything else id love it.

How about......... Action Hero 1?

A bad game by any other name would still play just as crap.

It failed for the same exact same reasons RE5 failed (as a game at least): it was a third person shooter using out-dated survival horror mechanics. This makes sense considering they were both the exact same game.

As for the supposedly fluctuating value of FFVII, it's actually not that complicated. Outside of any current hipster context, FFVII has always been an impressively produced RPG with solid, polished mechanics, coated in a terrible story with insufferable characters.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 1st October 2012 08:37
Quote (omnislash5209 @ 1st October 2012 04:11)
I disagree. Resident Evil 4 is when the series started to die in my mind. Turned the game into what every other game today is, a stupid action cliche adventure with absloutly nothing to do with its predecessors other than the main characters name. all the horror was sucked outta the series with this installment. its a fun game, but doesnt deserve the resident evil title. in fact if it had been named anything else id love it.

How about......... Action Hero 1?

I liked Resident evil 4 more than 5 in some ways, and 5 more than 4 in other ways.

Resident evil 5 is more tolerable in co op mode.Co op can be fun, but i'm not a tps fan.Resident evil 5 also has better mercenaries mode, and sheva is far less annoying than ashley graham.

4 has cheesy moments like 5, but less than 5, and i like leon as a character.Overall:4 is a little closer to survival horror than 5, and you have a few moments, but less than previous games.

Also:I have a few complaints about lost oddysey.
All characters end up more or less the same, because they can all be wizards.
Possible spoilers: highlight to view
The scene where kaims daughter dies of the moment you meet her, and all the kids and kaim cry, is really cheesy.Also:I why is she living in a cemetery?

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 1st October 2012 08:42
Quote (laszlow @ 1st October 2012 01:15)
do you know what's ****ing terrible?  Every Resident Evil game other than 4.  The early ones are boxy 3rd-person tank shooter games

I want to lock you in the Spencer mansion.

The term 'shooter' can't be applied to the early Resi forumula whatsoever!
congrats, you really got me with this one.. eh.gif

Edit: Now I'm awaiting the response 'well you use guns therefore it's a shooter'

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 1st October 2012 13:18
Blinge did you play the remake of resident evil 1? I heard that its better than the original resident evil 1.

Posted by: RelmArrowney 1st October 2012 13:58
Well, this is just a general opinion, not really just on games, but I hate space sci-fi and won't play anything with it. The closest I come is Star Ocean 2, and Metroid. Get out of here, Mass Effect, and Star Ocean 3 which travels in space ships a lot.


Idk why, but space stresses me out. There's no oxygen!! Plus, I grew up with Star Trek episodes on a lot, and it all seems so cheesy when they say things like "Warp speed ahead!"

Posted by: BlitzSage 1st October 2012 14:30
Quote (Narratorway @ 1st October 2012 04:08)
It failed for the same exact same reasons RE5 failed (as a game at least): it was a third person shooter using out-dated survival horror mechanics. This makes sense considering they were both the exact same game.

As for the supposedly fluctuating value of FFVII, it's actually not that complicated. Outside of any current hipster context, FFVII has always been an impressively produced RPG with solid, polished mechanics, coated in a terrible story with insufferable characters.

RE5 failed because it was racist.

FFVII has a confusing story. Well, it's not necessarily confusing, but it was strange and wasn't executed well near the end. There were too many strange turns and twists and most were right near the end. But I would say that what makes it work is its charm. And that would include the characters as well as the game's style.

@Magitek: Yes, definitely. The remake is much better. I would agree that the original RE1 is terrible (may be a "fun" terrible?), but the remake is better.


Posted by: Magitek_slayer 1st October 2012 15:10
I'm not so sure about the racism part.Sure, the tribal bikini part was a bit much, but a lot has to do with it being a linear tps, which no longer everesembles resident evil.Ever since re4, the games resemble a (insert famous tps here).It wasn't till the end of re5 that it started to feel resident evilish.I like chris as a character, but its no longer resident evil.It was also a good thing wesker was killed off, because he became a bit clich�.He is cool, but best in re1 remake, and code veronica x.He did have good dialogue, but it would only degrade his character, till he became just clich�.

FF7 has been overrated, and still is, but i think final fantasy in general has become overrated.I was watching dissidia duodecim, and i didn't like the kefka dialogue at all, or the green outfit he had.I like kain though.

I also prefer the original voice for jecht.I felt that the original voice actor did more justice to jecht than the guy in duodecim.I also prefer the original dialogue from dissidia for jecht and kefka over duodecim.

Did anyone dislike duodecim dialogue? i didn't even like gilgamesh dialogue, and i normally like him.

Posted by: BlitzSage 1st October 2012 16:10
How does Dissidia condemn all of Final Fantasy? Do you mean that the franchise in its current state is overrated? Or do you think that FFIV, VI, VII, etc. are overrated?

Posted by: laszlow 1st October 2012 16:38
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 1st October 2012 03:42)
Quote (laszlow @ 1st October 2012 01:15)
do you know what's ****ing terrible?� Every Resident Evil game other than 4.� The early ones are boxy 3rd-person tank shooter games

I want to lock you in the Spencer mansion.

The term 'shooter' can't be applied to the early Resi forumula whatsoever!
congrats, you really got me with this one.. eh.gif

Edit: Now I'm awaiting the response 'well you use guns therefore it's a shooter'

Yeah, I guess it isn't a proper shooter. The early Resident Evil games are too awkward, clumsy, and lacking a decent control system to be called a shooter.

Look, in the early days of the PlayStation, I thought the Resident Evil games were pretty awful - their visuals were ugly early polygons, their writing and voice work were laughably bad, their controls were horrible, and their scares were just jump-through-the-walls gotcha! moments. I guess it's a breakthrough survival-horror game if mastering those wonky controls counts as "survival" and yelping at amateurish haunted house scares counts as "horror".

Resident Evil 4 basically cut the crap and went the route of an exciting, tense third-person shooter using Resident Evil character and monster designs and was an excellent game. It still would've been excellent if they had changed the name to "Leon Kennedy vs. Infected Europeans" but I don't have any qualms calling it Resident Evil. And remember - the first Devil May Cry game was originally in development as Resident Evil 4, but it went in such a crazy direction that they decided to make a new series for it. Capcom reeled it in a bit for RE4 and I think it worked out pretty well.

And BlitzSage, I'm not a big fan of Resident Evil 5, but it's not racist so much as *very* misguided. If you have a game set in Africa, of course it will have native Africans in it. Somehow, it didn't register with the developers that a game with a white guy and a black woman with vaguely Asian features murdering black African zombies and infested villagers could be construed as racist. Turns out it totally seems racist, but ultimately isn't. I'm not defending RE5, and it is totally full of suspect imagery, but I'm attributing it to a lack of understanding instead of real racism.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 1st October 2012 16:58
I mean the franchise is overrated, and the series final fantasy.I honestly don't find as much quality as before, and by before, i mean before certain people left square enix.For me, the 90s were great for square.Square tried too hard to make a game to satisfy all masses, and in the process, we get games that could be better.Then you got what's his name who wants to be a movie director.I found that ff7 and 9 and x at least satisfied some people, while FFXIII is an abomination,.I'm talking about the original, not those sequels and prequels of ff7.It seemed overkill how square enix exploited it, and i hear bad things about the kh series, but i don't know.I think part of it is square part makes too many games with similar stories and characters are the same.FFXIII didn't present any characters i haven't seen before, and while there may be minor improvements(I prefer sazh over barret) the rest seemed forgetable.I didn't find FFX that memorable.We need something fresh.

And laszlow:Re1 had better atmosphere.Even code veronica had better atmosphere.It was the setting, and the music combined with those reading moments.Sure, the dialogue was cheesy, but later games abandoned that for more action and less scares.RE4, and Re5 could have been scarier than previous games with less action and more running.

Posted by: Narratorway 1st October 2012 17:46
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Quote (Narratorway @ 1st October 2012 04:08)
It failed for the same exact same reasons RE5 failed (as a game at least): it was a third person shooter using out-dated survival horror mechanics.  This makes sense considering they were both the exact same game.

RE5 failed because it was racist.

Gots'ta read da text man.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 1st October 2012 22:51
Quote (laszlow @ 1st October 2012 16:38)
Yeah, I guess it isn't a proper shooter.  The early Resident Evil games are too awkward, clumsy, and lacking a decent control system to be called a shooter. 

Look, in the early days of the PlayStation, I thought the Resident Evil games were pretty awful - their visuals were ugly early polygons, their writing and voice work were laughably bad, their controls were horrible, and their scares were just jump-through-the-walls gotcha! moments.  I guess it's a breakthrough survival-horror game if mastering those wonky controls counts as "survival" and yelping at amateurish haunted house scares counts as "horror".

No, it didn't 'fail' to be a shooter. The genre is survival horror, The clunky controls are designed to make the player feel vulnerable, and it works. You think a company like Capcom would allow a game to be released with such controls if it was trying to be a 3rd person shooter? I highly doubt it.

The visuals? because of the fixed camera angles most of the backgrounds/rooms were pre-rendered allowing them to avoid the ugly early polygons.. so your point only applies to the moving entities, and sure.. they're ugly but it was an early psx game so what do you expect.

Yeah the voice acting was terrible, the story was mediocre at best.. but the storytelling outside of cutscenes - ie through objects/lore the player interacts with was well done and added to the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, I'm defending games I haven't really played:other than a few hours of #2, my Resident Evil experience was the Gamecube remake of the 1st game, that Magitek mentions above. It is the same game but with ramped up graphics and harder enemies, a few tweaks to the combat but that deliberate clunkiness remains. It terrified me, the game had such an oppressive atmosphere that I found it difficult to carry on playing at some points, possibly because I insisted on playing at 2am in the dark, it was far more than jump-scares. So I can't really speak for the atmosphere of the original Resi games I suppose..

I don't know man, obviously I can't convince someone who doesn't like the series but it seems like you're approaching it the wrong way and should maybe give it another chance. Although if the genre's not for you, its not for you.

ps. Yeah.. whoever made this thread wanted us all at each others throats I'll bet happy.gif

Posted by: laszlow 2nd October 2012 00:14
Oh, I'm aware of how survival horror works; you don't need to do any explaining. And I'm not at anyone's throat, either. I just don't care for survivor horror in general and Resident Evil in particular. It's sluggish and awkward to control, and doesn't make up for the poor gameplay with compelling narrative or atmosphere. It's a game that has its characters lurch around like a Katamari on roofies while trying to make its players jump at loud noises. I was always surprised that the first three RE games had such a loyal following.

Posted by: BlitzSage 2nd October 2012 01:29
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Quote (Narratorway @ 1st October 2012 04:08)
It failed for the same exact same reasons RE5 failed (as a game at least): it was a third person shooter using out-dated survival horror mechanics.� This makes sense considering they were both the exact same game.

RE5 failed because it was racist.

Gots'ta read da text man.

Oh, lol. Sry.

@lazslow. I've never liked playing survival horror games. I like watching other people play them, and figuring out the puzzles. When my friend made me play the first part of Silent Hill 2, it was probably the dumbest looking thing you've ever seen, and I only got to the first enemy. But idk, games from that era have this charm to them. And I've always liked the atmosphere RE creates. I think that's why people love them so much.

Edit
Just noticed: it's weird that people who haven't played the games all the way through are defending it.

Posted by: Narratorway 2nd October 2012 07:32
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 1st October 2012 15:51)
No, it didn't 'fail' to be a shooter. The genre is survival horror, The clunky controls are designed to make the player feel vulnerable, and it works. You think a company like Capcom would allow a game to be released with such controls if it was trying to be a 3rd person shooter? I highly doubt it.

Really? People are still making the 'no, no see, it's bad...on purpose' argument?

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 2nd October 2012 08:12
I have beaten all resident evil games so far, except 0, and i don't even own it.

I have every right to speak about re1-5


Posted by: Blinge Odonata 2nd October 2012 08:34
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Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 1st October 2012 15:51)
No, it didn't 'fail' to be a shooter. The genre is survival horror, The clunky controls are designed to make the player feel vulnerable, and it works. You think a company like Capcom would allow a game to be released with such controls if it was trying to be a 3rd person shooter? I highly doubt it.

Really? People are still making the 'no, no see, it's bad...on purpose' argument?

Hilarious, you totally tore my point apart there, so witty. dry.gif
Do you actually like any games that aren't Half Life or FF6?

Posted by: Narratorway 2nd October 2012 08:42
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 2nd October 2012 01:34)
Hilarious, you totally tore my point apart there, so witty.� dry.gif
Do you actually like any games that aren't Half Life or FF6?


Wouldn't make that argument any less silly either way.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 2nd October 2012 09:21
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 1st October 2012 22:51)
You think a company like Capcom would allow a game to be released with such controls if it was trying to be a 3rd person shooter? I highly doubt it.

Doesn't seem silly to me.
I'm not gonna lock horns with you on this, as your engagement so far can hardly be considered 'discussion'.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 2nd October 2012 09:33
Quote (Narratorway @ 2nd October 2012 08:42)
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 2nd October 2012 01:34)
Hilarious, you totally tore my point apart there, so witty.� dry.gif
Do you actually like any games that aren't Half Life or FF6?


Wouldn't make that argument any less silly either way.

Do you really like half life narratorway?

I only played orange box demo, and i didn't like it.
I hear bad things about the main protagonist having no personality, and the ones who defend it, say he is an avatar, and that you experience everything through him.

Posted by: Del S 2nd October 2012 16:06
You know, I think I've got one that's going to be unpopular. I think I know why the modern FF games feel worse overall.

FF games post-nine largely fall a little flat compared to previous efforts, because there's not much of a feeling of direction despite being more rail-roaded overall. One of the key areas in that respect is the main villain, the opposition.

FF10? Well, it's either Sin or Seymour. And Sin barely appears. Seymour's goals are... vague. There's not really much of a sense that the opposition are that much of a threat because they lack a presence. You lack much of a reason to be chasing or fearing these forces because, really, you've no idea what they're doing and they just pop up every now and then.

FF7, in contrast, feels a lot faster to give you that reason for chasing. It's a very clear reason, whilst Seymour's plan was "do the exact same thing Sin has already been doing for a thousand years". Nasty, but in comparison not really a huge change is it?

FF11 and by extension 14 are MMOs, which never have a direction. Just a vague story and then a million quests to fetch a hundred rat's noses.

X-2, maybe a bit faster off the mark for direction but again, slow and vague to present a threat.

12? Maybe an odd one out, but the villain seems to be more "the evil empire in general" for ages, and how long does it take until he reveals his scheme to... Do whatever it was he was going to do. Defy fate, free humanity from the chains of not that nice gods? One could argue this is probably one of the morally ambiguous entries and as a result it's not as consistent or clean cut as the rest of the series.

13? Bit of a vague mess in terms of direction and main threat from what I've heard really, probably not helped by all the flashbacks they use because someone discovered in media res is a thing and SE love their latin more than their first-born sons.. As a subseries the 13 banner itself seems lacking in direction in a meta sense.

FF7's spin-offs, pretty much the same. The only goals they've got are: bring back sephiroth and have these flashy visuals, lead into FF7 with a happy dose of retcon and exploiting the vague holes in the background (despite opening up more plotholes on the way) or "oh hey, devil may cry was fun, let's have vincent be dante!"

So, there it is. I think one of the main reasons modern FF's seem to have blander stories is they've lost direction and lack a focus, too busy either railroading you to look at spectacular things (10, 13), getting caught up in internal politics and restarts to development (12, 13, versus), or simply being out of place amongst the main series in an attempt to snare lapsed WoW players (11, 14)

Posted by: omnislash5209 2nd October 2012 16:29
I always found it frustrating that people seem to bash 13 into pieces for railroading you, and yet 10 gets a free pass. if anything i thought 10 was worse wit the railroading than 13, and yes i have played both, and personally i think every character in 10 is pretty much a clone of 9. anyone else see that link?

Oh and when you look at it really hard, 12 is Star Wars, i kid you not.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 2nd October 2012 17:08
Now that i think of it, del s may be on to something.X and XIII had very slow moments.XIII nothing much happens while being chased by the law.You have a few moments, but it is mostly idle moments, and they add very little.Old games seemed more bearable with less flashy cutscenes, and more story through exploitation and through dialogue.Most modern jrpgs get their story all through cutscenes, and nothing is brought out from dialogue, especially final fantasy.The guys from SE love cutscenes too much.

Posted by: Rangers51 2nd October 2012 17:27
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 1st October 2012 17:51)
ps. Yeah.. whoever made this thread wanted us all at each others throats I'll bet happy.gif

I highly doubt that, but it sure seems to be the way it's going, isn't it? I wonder why that could be after eight pages that suddenly these opinions require angry debate and snark.

Posted by: BlitzSage 2nd October 2012 20:26
Quote (omnislash5209 @ 2nd October 2012 12:29)
and personally i think every character in 10 is pretty much a clone of 9. anyone else see that link?

I don't see that connection. I don't think that Zidane and Tidus are very similar, despite being blonde. As for the railroading. Well, perhaps you're right, but all of these things depend on execution. People accepted X's flaws because the positive things it had made up for the flaws. It's story worked better, and XIII's characters weren't as strong.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 3rd October 2012 14:57
Blitz did you like ff9?

Posted by: BlitzSage 3rd October 2012 21:07
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 3rd October 2012 10:57)
Blitz did you like ff9?

I love FFIX. FFIX is my second favorite Final Fantasy, and it was the one I played that challenged my deep love for FFVI. The one thing I didn't put in my post was that I thought the characters in FFIX were much more lovable than FFX's were. The banter between them was some of the funniest stuff that the series ever came up with. And it's also one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen. I love how rich the designs are, especially Burmecia. And plus, Vivi may be my favorite character, not just in the series, but in all games period. And almost all of that is attributable to his animation. I can't think of any character that is more likable than him.

Ultimately, I think people look over that game too much. When I think of what makes FF great, FFVI and FFIX do it better than any other two in the series. They're grandiose and theatrical, while being at the same time quirky. And both are the pinnacle of their era's production quality (VI for SNES, IX for PSX).

So, long story short, yes, I love FFIX and I think it's underrated (I guess, I don't know what the popular opinion about it is anymore). For me, I rank the FF series like this: 1) VI 2) IX 3) VII 4) X and 5) VIII.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 4th October 2012 08:18
I'm wondering:Anybody here even like FFXII? just curious.Worse comment i heard, is about lifeless characters, and a not so good story, but i heard good stuff about the gameplay.

Posted by: BlitzSage 4th October 2012 12:35
Quote (Magitek_slayer @ 4th October 2012 04:18)
I'm wondering:Anybody here even like FFXII? just curious.Worse comment i heard, is about lifeless characters, and a not so good story, but i heard good stuff about the gameplay.

I liked Balthier. I thought he was a good character. I actually enjoyed XII quite a bit. I think people are too hasty when they said that Square has fallen off. I really think it's just been one game (XIII) that's been really bad. XII is not on the level of 4-9, but it's a good game.

Posted by: Galsic 5th October 2012 02:35
I was quite pleased with XII, myself. In fact, it pleased me more than VII, VIII, and anything before VI. Never played X or XIII, but, based on what I know of them, I'll bet XII's better than those two, as well.

Posted by: Chewbekah 5th October 2012 07:14
Here's a markedly unpopular opinion, particularly on this board. I like Final Fantasy Xiii. It was definitely hard to get used to the first time I played it, but when I gave it a second chance, I found the combat to be very addicting and several characters even like-able. I don't really feel like Square has fallen off the off the wagon or disappointed me by any means. I'm still enjoying Final Fantasy. I'm far from a fanboy (fangirl?) as I recognize strengths in many other series, and I haven't played all of the Final Fantasies or even Square games, but again, I haven't been disappointed. But perhaps it's because I don't nitpick about every game I play. I like many RPGs from many series. Some are stronger than others, some have aspects better than others, but I don't let some nitpicky little aspect that happened to be in FF6 but isn't in this FF game or whatever other game series, ruin the whole experience for me. I think the story to FFXIII is interesting, a little hard to follow and remember, but that's what the re-caps are for. Would I have liked a little less linearity? Sure. But it's still an enjoyable game.

Here's an example: I loved FFIX, but the big reveal of the secret of the universe was a bit of a let down. I thought that part of the story was weak and convoluted. But the rest of the game was great and I loved the ending. So to me, I still like the game. It's not ruined.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 5th October 2012 08:38
Well Chewbekah, you sum up my thoughts on XIII very well.
One thing I cannnot stand is the eternal raging poop-slinging contest that is Square fanboys clutching their preferred FF title and screaming "EVERYTHING AFTER THIS WAS AWFUL, SQUARE ENIX SHOULD BE SUMMARILY EXECUTED I'LL GIVE THE ORDERS FROM MY BASEMENT!! "

..Hyperbole perhaps? But it does seem that way sometimes.. I'm thinking more youtube territory here, this forum isn't quite so bad for that.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 5th October 2012 15:21
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 5th October 2012 08:38)
Well Chewbekah, you sum up my thoughts on XIII very well.
One thing I cannnot stand is the eternal raging poop-slinging contest that is Square fanboys clutching their preferred FF title and screaming "EVERYTHING AFTER THIS WAS AWFUL, SQUARE ENIX SHOULD BE SUMMARILY EXECUTED I'LL GIVE THE ORDERS FROM MY BASEMENT!! "

..Hyperbole perhaps? But it does seem that way sometimes.. I'm thinking more youtube territory here, this forum isn't quite so bad for that.

My opinion, is that as long as it is polite conversation, and trying to point out the good with the bad, then there is nothing to complain about.Lets not anger the mods, and the topic stays open.

I thought FFXIII-2 improved on things FFXIII got wrong, like more customization, and towns with people to talk to, and shops.

I don't plan on buying FFXIII-2, because i don't trust it.Instead i am looking towards other series i never reached out to in the past.


Posted by: MogMaster 8th October 2012 06:10
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No, it didn't 'fail' to be a shooter. The genre is survival horror, The clunky controls are designed to make the player feel vulnerable, and it works. You think a company like Capcom would allow a game to be released with such controls if it was trying to be a 3rd person shooter? I highly doubt it.

Really? People are still making the 'no, no see, it's bad...on purpose' argument?

I always hated Resident Evil as a series, mostly because I don't care for horror all that much, I suppose, and I never really have.

I did, however, play the first RE for the ol PS. I was pretty young, it was like 2 in the morning, and of course the whole thing scared the crap out of me, right down to how long it took me to switch a weapon while some awful zombie hoard stalked at me. It was in fact, clunky, awkward, and frustrating, but even if the controls weren't originally supposed to be as garbage as they were, it does seem to me that they were at least partially inconvenient on purpose. It adds a level of realism to the game, where you become a human struggling to survive in a world filled with awful undead things, which would really be quite unnerving. I imagine when you're surrounded by things that want to eat your brain, no action you can take to save yourself would seem to come off fast enough.

The clunkiness, in a way, reminds me of Dark Souls, actually. Certainly, the latter is much more polished up, but the relation is there.

Posted by: Magitek_slayer 8th October 2012 10:45
I consider FF7 and FFX the most overrated rpg in ff series.

FF7:seemed to be very confusing in times, and the bad dialogue due to the translation was very bad.I also don't like the ending at all.To me, its story seemed scattered, but it has a good story/plot.

FFX:It was worse than FF7.It has such slow pacing, that nothing happens for a long time, and the gameplay while good, was a monotonous grindfest.It was more focused than FF7, but ff7 had better pacing.

FF6 is good, but it can't compare to dao in char development.I would say its unfair to judge old games with new american rpgs.Story? yes.Story hasn't really gotten that much better in rpgs.In fact: its gotten worse.

I would say also:I liked fable2, and i like oblivion a little.

People make annoying criticisms, like:its story.Its about gameplay, but it was fun.I liked fallout 3 a little, but i prefer fantasy world settings.Fable reminded me of zelda with guns, and pg 13.You can marry, and then murder her.It is also the only game i know where i can get arrested for extortion.


Posted by: Blinge Odonata 8th October 2012 11:13
Quote (MogMaster @ 8th October 2012 06:10)
The clunkiness, in a way, reminds me of Dark Souls, actually. Certainly, the latter is much more polished up, but the relation is there.

Ah man... seriously.. the Demon/Darksouls games combat is heavy. Gamefeel is an understated concept I think: if it was possible to zoom around the world in swinging weapons and cleaving through hordes of enemies you'd be playing God of War or something, not Dark Souls.

Besides, have you tried using a character equipped with light armor and weapons? The range in agility is huge.

Posted by: Sherick 8th October 2012 19:03
I love FFXII, in fact it's in my top 5. Criticisms are valid enough, but people tend to ignore all the great things about because it isn't "Final Fantasy enough".
On the flip side, I played XIII not too long ago and was extremely underwhelmed. There's enough interesting story/character bits to keep me playing through until Grand Pulse, where the Paradigm design concept just makes playing through the plot an enormous headache, and the attempts at a tacked-on "open world" do very little to help (I did love the aesthetic of it though, but I really would rather not have to find a way to tiptoe around behemoths whenever I want to climb a hill).

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 1st November 2012 00:28
I think that Team Fortress 2 is not that great.

The only thing it really has going for it is the mere existence of stuff to do. Items to acquire, achievements to get, bosses to beat.

Otherwise, the core gameplay is reasonably fun, but not overwhelmingly so. It gets old quickly.

I've been playing for about 150 hours or so by now (my playtime is inflated by idling for items), and I can say I'm getting bored with it. The only reason to keep playing is to accumulate items and try to get cool stuff out of it, via crafting. And that cool stuff actually doesn't really do anything, unless you continue playing the game. (Well I guess if you have something super-valuable like the Earbuds you might be able to trade them for a Steam game or something. I don't know.)

Still, it's decent as far as a time-waster goes. Thanks to being multiplayer, it's more fun than some single-player games. But it's also more time-sucky--especially that Mann Versus Machine mode which encourages you to keep trying and trying and trying, especially when you've still got friends who are trying too.

TL;DR: TF2 is addictive but otherwise not too impressive.

Posted by: sweetdude 28th December 2012 05:35
I still love FFXII to pieces, for what it's worth. One of my top 3 FF games, though probably not top 5 games. Loving the fact that saying FFXII is amazing is not an unpopular opinion anymore. smile.gif

Here's my unpopular gaming opinion for this year (by a nose!). We've had a few years of amazing gaming, I feel like we're due a year or two of gaming turmoil. Maybe it's just me being too cautious but I feel like games have only been getting better and better so we're due some kind of dark period. Maybe a big space between PS3 and 4 (as a benchmark). We'll see, that's just my opinion.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 28th December 2012 22:39
First off.. I didn't know TF2 has bosses.. and I play it sometimes pinch.gif

and as for my opinion: I prefer L4D2 to 1

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 28th December 2012 23:25
There are a few. There's the Halloween bosses, which include the Horseless Headless Horsemann, MONOCULUS!, and Merasmus, which appear on modified versions of certain maps. They were created for Halloween events, and are associated with some achievements (and some items, if you're playing during Halloween event times), and some servers may offer them even outside of Halloween event times (but you don't get items).

Also, good luck getting people to cooperate on those bosses. Generally, the first few days of the Halloween event, players are very likely to cooperate, as everyone wants the achievements and associated items. Then after that, people start going for easy kills by killing those people who are focusing on the bosses.

Then there are the Mann Versus Machine missions, which are PvE game modes; the harder ones could be called bosses, and have boss-like enemies.

Posted by: Kirchewasser 29th December 2012 12:43
unpopular opinions:

1) Assassin's Creed lost it, became just fan service (Brotherhood being the beginning of the end), so it's no longer a must play/release date buy.

2) I think that Squall is much more balanced as a character than Cloud or Tidus, and for most of the game, is just a normal quiet guy, nothing too emo or teenage about his behavior, at least until his feelings towards Rinoa start to grow.

3) Multiplayer turns the game into a shallow experience. i cant imagine myself reading a book with someone else, why would I play vidoegames with people? tongue.gif

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 30th December 2012 23:58
Quote (Kirchewasser @ 29th December 2012 12:43)
i cant imagine myself reading a book with someone else, why would I play vidoegames with people? tongue.gif

Because videogames aren't books.

Posted by: Kirchewasser 31st December 2012 23:19
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Because videogames aren't books.


rolleyes-straight.gif

Well, thanks for the enlightenment. 2013 already began with mind-blowing discoveries.

It seems I was not clear enough, so let me correct that:

An unpopular opinion that I have comes from the idea that, for me, playing videogames is an essentially individual activity, with the best parallell being reading a book. So, my unpopular opinion is that a multiplayer based game is usually a shallow experience, in the sense that the focus is in the interaction (be it cooperative or competitive) between players, which is not what I look for in games, considering what I said above.

Posted by: berryfunny 9th February 2013 08:17


Cloud Strife and Lightning are not all that great and they're highly overrated. They seem to be rather dickish towards their friends and team-mates but seem to get away with it because they are either found attractive by their fans or "cool " by their fans.

Somebody like Zack Fair or Cecil Harvey or Laguna Loire deserve the attention that they receive.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 9th February 2013 20:24
And on that note I still don't get why some people like jerk protagonists so much.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 10th February 2013 10:15
I thought the pacing in FFIV was really off, it felt like a huge grind for most of the game.. I'd even go as far to say I didn't really see what the the fuss was about tongue.gif

Posted by: berryfunny 10th February 2013 13:00
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 10th February 2013 09:24)
And on that note I still don't get why some people like jerk protagonists so much.



Because they're " Bishie Kawaii desu nee and Cloud is so hawt " ! dry.gif

Posted by: Docrob 2nd October 2013 05:59
IMO kingdom hearts, call of duty mw1 and since, and those evil people behind windwaker need to all be rounded up and publicly executed...as those games are awful

Also skyrim is inferior to even morrowind.

Finally ff7 is highly overrated and ff8 was amazing

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 2nd October 2013 12:24
Apparently I haven't posted this here yet, but...I play console-style games with keyboard controls. More specifically: I play games like platformers, action RPGs, and shmups, and I am mostly a PC gamer, but I don't use a controller. Instead, I use the arrow keys and ZXCASD or something like that. I find that mapping the different control features to different fingers is much easier for me than having to manage several buttons (all four right-side pad ones) with one thumb.

This is apparently considered standard in Japan, so if you pick up a Japanese indie game without knowing the controls, chances are the controls are something like this. On the other hand, western developers and gamers seem split between WASD and arrow keys, as far as games like platformers are concerned.

I developed this habit thanks to using an emulator many years ago, which allowed me to play console games on PC. I had previously played DOS games like Duke Nukem 1 and Cosmo and Commander Keen, which do something similar: arrow keys and Ctrl and Alt. Since I couldn't map Ctrl and Alt to anything in Windows, and I needed more buttons anyway, I just moved up to Z and X, then expanded to QWEASDZXC. Sometimes RFV as well. Enter is usually pause/start for me, and space is usually select.

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Another opinion that seems pretty unpopular is that I don't think that having a game on Steam is worth that much.

Desura works just as well to give me a single place for redownloads, as do websites like GOG. And while Steam has cool social features, I mainly just use the chat.

I don't like achievements (even if I do use them), and I don't do leaderboards. Incidentally, I also rarely play multiplayer games, so that might be another factor; Steam seems to do multiplayer well with its own games such as TF2...though for some other games such as Terraria you'll need to figure out how to do multiplayer yourself (through something like Hamachi).

I also don't think that highly of cloud saving. Yes it's theoretically useful, but I find that -- especially with an inconsistent internet connection -- it's just easier for me to keep my saves locally and not let the system become confused between mismatched cloud and local saves.

And I don't really like the Steam trading cards.

Finally, I have a history of organizing my game files myself, so Steam compiling a list of my games is not a feature I care for much. If anything, I add non-Steam games to my library list not for convenience but for socially showing them off.

Posted by: Raiden314 2nd October 2013 16:41
Quote (Docrob @ 1st October 2013 22:59)

Finally ff7 is highly overrated and ff8 was amazing

And you my good sir are my best friend lol

I haven't played FFVII in a long time but i hated how much FF fans have obsessed about it and FFVIII was just amazing with the features and the leveling systems with the GF and all that.

Posted by: RavenLalonde 2nd October 2013 19:35
Secret of Mana has a good storyline, and Halo and Call of Duty are boring. Kain is a terrible person who has a shameless lust for Rosa. Rydia has terrible fashion sense and was much more useful as a child, but she is okay as an adult. Cloud is relatable. Magus never stops being evil, even after joining the protagonists (he is awesome though). Lightning is cooler than everyone.

Posted by: Spooniest 3rd October 2013 02:05
People whine about games too much

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 5th October 2013 21:44
So I recently played my first game of Cards Against Humanity.

I'm not sure how popular this opinion is, but it definitely wasn't something to say when I was there in meatspace, as everyone seemed to be enjoying the game more than me.

Background information: Cards Against Humanity is, in short, a "dirty" version of Apples to Apples. It plays very slightly differently, but the main attraction is usually the content -- such as racially offensive stereotypes, sexual situations, and more.

Well, I enjoyed the game. It had creative imagination and all sorts of weird things one can do with the cards. But I didn't really enjoy the content, so I only really had about half as much fun. I mean, half of the (apparent) humor is lost on me when I don't really like the sexually dirty or the racially offensive. I still laughed at the political and media jokes, but...yeah.

And someone mentioned at the end of the evening that this was "definitely better than Apples to Apples". Ehh...I'd disagree. For several reasons:

1. Apples to Apples features adjective cards. Cards Against Humanity features question-and-answer or fill-in-the-blank cards in the same role. Which can you be more open-ended and creative with? Adjective cards. You can go nuts far more easily with those.

2. As I said earlier, I'm not much of a fan of the content. Obviously, your mileage may vary.

3. A2A cards feature their main text written vertically on the upper left corner. CAH cards feature their main text written horizontally from the top of the card. A2A cards are easier to read when you hold them in your hand in a typical way.

4. A2A cards at least provide a quick blurb about the noun in question. Don't know who Sylvester Stallone is? Here's some basic info; at least this might make the card vaguely more fun than a throwaway card.

To the person who hosted this event: Don't feel bad about this; I still enjoyed hanging out with you and your friends. And as I said, I still enjoyed the game, just not as much I had hoped to. These are just my opinions on the game itself.

EDIT

All that said...I still have to admit that one of the most entertaining cards is this one:
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Bees?

Posted by: Eagle Caller 8th February 2014 11:34
By being too nerdy you forget to unwind to enjoy yourself.

Posted by: chevleclair 8th February 2014 14:32
Final Fantasy VIII is the worst of the series made so far in both gameplay and story.

I prefer text boxes to bad voice acting.

FF Tactics is ruined by a gad-awful ending.

Every FF game with voice acting has had terrible acting.

I like the villain level up in Seventh Saga. What prevents that game from being decent is a horrible ending.

Rygar is a good game.

I despise 3D Mario Games

Same with 3D Castlevania

Holy Diver is almost as good as the first Castlevania games.

Cyberpunk is better than Shadowrun

Neverwinter Nights I is better than WoW.


Posted by: Vidav99 8th February 2014 19:30
I can't stand half-life 2. the FOV on ps3 version is awful and sickening. love Portal though!

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 9th February 2014 09:17
It's a bad port, play it on PC then decide.

Posted by: chevleclair 9th February 2014 16:18
How about some of these unpopular opinions:

Skyward Sword is better than Ocarina of Time

Also better than Skyrim

The new Duke Nukem game was actually kind of fun. not better than the first two Halo games, but better than the last two.

video games don't inspire misogyny and racism anymore than they inspire violence.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 9th February 2014 16:48
Quote (chevleclair @ 9th February 2014 16:18)


Skyward Sword is better than Ocarina of Time


There is no safe place for you left on earth, there's nowhere you can run.

Posted by: HolyCeles 9th February 2014 21:06
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 9th February 2014 16:48)
Quote (chevleclair @ 9th February 2014 16:18)


Skyward Sword is better than Ocarina of Time


There is no safe place for you left on earth, there's nowhere you can run.

I agree. Though i do believe Zelda is better than skyrim.

Posted by: Sherick 9th February 2014 22:04
I've preferred every console Zelda release that has come after it to Ocarina.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 10th February 2014 18:21
Well here's my unpopular opinion -
Skyward Sword is garbage.

Wind Waker was meh, big empty ocean. But i should give it another try to make sure, it's also painfully easy.

Twilight Princess was fantastic and if you think its just a remake of ocarina you are an utter moron who should stop playing games.

Majora reigns supreme.

Posted by: Sherick 13th February 2014 06:41
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 10th February 2014 13:21)
Wind Waker was meh, big empty ocean.

You did not see enough of that game then.

Posted by: chevleclair 13th February 2014 14:35
There's really no such thing, at the moment, as a bad LoZ game, mind you. Windwaker and Spirit Tracks were both great games, they just had issues of long bouts of nothing between some amazing levels.

Why Skyward Sword is better

Camera work is better. OoT can flip to very bizarre camera angles, often changing in mid-swing and forcing errant swings/throws at critical moments.

Fi is annoying, Navi is worse. Almost all Zelda games have fetch quests, and Navi screaming "HEY! HEY!HEY!HEY!HEY!" during fetch quests got very annoying. Navi also brings gameplay to a dead halt with "LISTEN!" and unskippable dialog.

They're both less annoying than the Minish Cap.

Perhaps it was because I was 17 or so when the game was released, but I was completely unfooled by the Zelda/Sheik thing. The Impa/Old Lady thing was a bigger swerve.

There was a nasty knack of items you barely used in Ocarina of Time. This is true of almost all Zelda games, but OoT was terrible about it.

Slingshot, Deku Shield, Deku anything, any magic except Din's Fire, and megaton hammer.

Skyward Sword just had the slingshot.

You actually go faster by holding down the A-button, and you could turn while doing so. Roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll....

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 13th February 2014 18:33
Quote (chevleclair @ 13th February 2014 14:35)
often changing in mid-swing and forcing errant swings/throws at critical moments.

^ Get good.

As for SS.... THIS IS A DEKU HORNET. YOU HAVE 99 OF THEM ALREADY. LETS STOP THE GAMEPLAY AND TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT WITH NO WAY TO SKIP IT.

Let's do that for every item you find on a whole page of said minor (rarely used) items in your inventory, every time you pick each item up per new play session
- as in when you load a save, not start a new game.

yeah, skyward sword never brings gameplay to a halt...

Also @Sherick - I found and did everything in windwaker except the figurine sidequest

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 14th February 2014 01:28
Unpopular opinion, or at least taste:

I find myself not all that interested in having tons of character customization options. Maybe a few. That's nice. But having tons can get in the way of me being able to enjoy what they're doing in the game world.

I love it when a character has one or a few basic abilities and you just use that to explore the world. Simple and easy-to-use attacks plus high maneuverability = awesome.

And y'know, some days, I just want to play through an epic story that lets me be part of it. I want the story and other narrative features to lead me through the game, emotionally.

Posted by: Sherick 17th February 2014 03:21
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 13th February 2014 13:33)
Also @Sherick - I found and did everything in windwaker except the figurine sidequest

And you didn't think there was anything in the Ocean?

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 17th February 2014 18:08
I used hyperbole for the sake of expression, of course there's SOMETHING in the ocean, but most of the islands are just rocks with different copy pasted variants of the pirates or their towers.
It got really old, considering how much time you spend traversing that big blue.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 21st April 2014 19:38
So I recently played Mutant Mudds, and enjoyed it quite a bit. Aside from somewhat-stiff controls (which actually work for the game's design but I can understand someone being a bit annoyed at them), I can see no obvious flaws.

I checked Metacritic's rating of it.
...a 61. Really?
(It had 7 reviews. Also, 5.5 user score, in case you're wondering.)

Well this isn't the first time this oddity has come up. Ys Origin, for example, is one of my favorite games of all time -- with graphical design and top-notch gameplay (with smooth controls and highly challenging bosses) and an absolutely epic soundtrack. In my opinion at least. Metacritic's score? 76 (7 critics). At least the user score is 8.8.

On the other hand...I've also played Portal. It's a nice game, and I enjoyed it. Interesting mechanic (with novel use of an FPS's gun(-like) device), and also a creative way of storytelling. While the game is good, it really wasn't something I'd write home about. Metacritic's score? 90 (27 critics), and 9.4 user score.

Yeah, yeah, I know, matters of taste.

But it seems to me that metascores are biased in favor of (1) novelty and (2) fame. Games that have a bigger name rec seem, everything else being equal, to more easily get a higher score. And so do games that do something novel or unusual -- be it Portal or, say, Recettear (82 with 12 critics, 8.6 user score). Though novelty does also lend it self more easily to name rec.

Critics seem to have an expectation for games to be cutting-edge and novel. Note a review of Ys Origin describing it as "a small nerdy pleasure for everyone who misses the 16-/32-bit era, but does not want to resort to going completely retro" -- implying a sort of "retro ghetto" mentality that doesn't seem to be even relevant in a proper evaluation of a game's quality. (Some days I'm a little annoyed at the idea of "retro" even being a thing -- it implies that pixel graphics are something that's gone and past and is being brought back for nostalgia's sake, rather than on its own merits.) The highest-rating non-user review of Mutant Mudds describes it as "utterly standard and unoriginal", and the next one says it "doesn�t do enough to differentiate itself in an increasingly saturated indie platformer market" -- like the rest of a game market context ought to be considered in evaluating its quality. And another one notes that the game "literally feels like it could have been made 20 years ago", but "games have changed a great deal since then and Mutant Mudds is left feeling stale and boring". How come? Market context has nothing to do with its quality!

(I'm not saying there are no meaningful reviews that comment negatively about games I like. The third non-user review of Mutant Mudds is a meaningful and relatively negative review of the game. I enjoyed the music but I can appreciate that someone might not. And it addresses problems of depth perception, and also points out that the difficulty may be a turn-off, which is entirely valid.)

TL;DR: I think that critics in general have too much preference for newfangled stuff (in both novelty value and current-gen-ish appearances).

(Yeah, yeah, you can probably poke lots of holes through this argument as it stands. I'm too lazy busy lazy to look up more Metacritic pages for games I'm familiar with to compare them with more statistical rigor than a few anecdotes...)

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I think that that they put in the checkpoints in Mutant Mudds in the Steam version (which I played) after the release of the 3DS/WiiU version. The checkpoints definitely contribute to the challenge level feeling reasonable, so that might be why people talked about it being more difficult than I thought it was.

Also, GameFAQs gives an 84 metacritic score for Mutant Mudds, but Metacritic itself says it's 61. It turns out that the listing for Mutant Mudds is not the same as for Mutant Mudds Deluxe.

Well, I guess that invalidates like over half my post. Whatever. I'm just going to leave this here to see what everyone's thoughts are on the issue anyway.

Posted by: Narratorway 22nd April 2014 04:00
TES's D'nD roots are what's holding the games back from being literally the best videogame series in existence.

Posted by: BlitzSage 22nd April 2014 23:28
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TES's D'nD roots are what's holding the games back from being literally the best videogame series in existence.

But that's so integral to what the games are, that would make them fundamentally different games.

Posted by: Narratorway 23rd April 2014 07:14
That common delusional sentiment is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. The pen and paper system is just that: pens and papers. They're a simple set of number-based systems meant to represent things that cannot be reasonably represented in real space and time. That's a perfectly reasonable compromise for an interactive experience that is being handled by a group of people sitting round a table in their mother's basement, but it doesn't make sense for a game where a computer can easily handle the back end systems without muddling the gameplay for the player.

While it can be argued that TES doesn't use AD'nD directly, its stat-based mechanics are a direct descendant of those kinds of pen and paper systems and they create a massive disconnect between the world they create and the level of meaningful interaction you have in it.

This wouldn't be a problem if your actions weren't supposed to have meaning on any personal level, such as Minecraft, but nope. The games have stories to tell, told through interaction with the worlds and characters that inhabit them and you are meant to be a participant in what are meant to be meaningful experiences, but they can't be when the games are so brazenly indifferent to the actions you take and focus entirely on what the numbers say. Yes stat-based systems allow for a greater variety of play, but since that play isn't dictated by the player, it renders it meaningless.

Posted by: chevleclair 23rd April 2014 12:53
Okay, let me get this straight- the personal insult of tabletop gamers aside- a system of statistics and numbers- the determination of success and failure "muddies" the gameplay's storytelling experience?

I guess I see your point, there. That being said, let me ask this question- what's the alternative?

I can think of a few:

People whine about the interactivity of Skyward Sword, due to the fact that you actually have to move the controller to correspond with Link's actions. One proposed alternative would be to create MORE interaction, having every action defined by your motions in real life. This means that you are basically controlling the game, based on your physical capabilities/deficiencies, and your personal knowledge of things. The latter can be countered with in game information, but therein lies a problem. If Skyward Sword was too interactive, then what would folk say about a game like that?

The second option would be to have zero chance of failure at any action you take. This annihilates any challenge whatsoever, and takes away from the realism of it all.

You could use the old interactive formula, like Myst, Shadowgate, or Uninvited. This seriously limits the number of actions a character can do, and limits game situations to one, two, or possibly three solutions.

There's only so much an AI can do. What else can one do to work with that problem?

Posted by: Narratorway 23rd April 2014 15:47
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There's only so much an AI can do. What else can one do to work with that problem?

Not use false dichotomies for a start. tongue.gif

Ignoring that this isn't an issue of AI, there's pleeeenty of options available for replacing the disconnected mechanics of TES, far too numerous to mention, but a simple setup would be taking any action that can be performed outside the world (i.e. pauses the game and opens up a menu/prompt/etc. and asking how it can be accomplished in-world instead.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 23rd April 2014 18:39
Nway can you give some specific examples of DnD mechanics hampering the Elder Scrolls experience pls?

Posted by: Narratorway 23rd April 2014 22:00
The Infinite Bag of Holding. Stats preventing hits. Status effects through text. Etcetera.

Posted by: fatman 25th April 2014 07:59
I agree with Narratorway. If the game was an isometric hack and slash then I wouldn't have an issue with the game having such a strong focus on the numbers. But for this game, I think it does take away from the experience it attempts to create.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 26th April 2014 08:58
I wonder.. if TES took a few nods from Dark Souls in that regard, would it be the ubergame?..

And no, not king's field.

Posted by: Narratorway 26th April 2014 22:43
Doubt it. The DS series has an extremely tight design focus, whereas TES is about as broad as you can conceptually get.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 2nd May 2014 16:18
Does anyone else ever get the feeling that you are very accustomed to the basic mechanics of a certain game or series of games and you just want more games that use the same mechanics but have different content? As opposed to learning a new mechanics system for each game, I mean.

Well, of course, this is why we have sequels. But apparently my tolerance for things I like is noticeably higher, because some people speak of "Capcom sequel stagnation" while I actually enjoyed Mega Man 4, 5, and 6. (Yeah, I know it applies more to Street Fighter.) And more recently I've been dueling the bosses in Ys Origin with Yunica and I've just so enjoyed the controls that I am almost a little reluctant to play the other two characters since I am so comfortable with the controls.

It's like, at some point, the controls just feel so intuitive because I'm so used to them. And I just want to use those same mechanics everywhere I go. Or something.

Something like that.

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 13th May 2014 11:23
Pokemon. I'm trying to play Heartgold. My god it's BORING

Posted by: HolyCeles 13th May 2014 14:51
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Pokemon. I'm trying to play Heartgold. My god it's BORING

What did you just say!!!!!!

Posted by: HolyCeles 13th May 2014 18:08
Final Fantasy 9 is one of my least favourites, but not as bad as Final Fantasy 2.

I love the Final Fantasy Spin-offs. biggrin.gif

Sephiroth sucks.

Posted by: laszlow 13th May 2014 18:20
Super Smash Brothers is half bad platformer, half inferior fighting game. It's only popular at all because people go gaga for Nintendo characters and the N64 didn't have any good fighters.

Posted by: dekupride 13th May 2014 18:26
I'm not really much of a Mario fan. I always preferred the Wario Land titles.

The Demon's/Dark Souls series is mediocre at best (extreme difficulty does not make up for poor design).

I really don't care for Earthbound/Mother and can't stand the likes of the dime-a-dozen FPS, multiplayer, and sports games.

There's more, I'm sure.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 13th May 2014 18:52
It seems to me that the Mario games are your standard obstacle-course platformer. The main thing with them is that they're good at what they do (as in, designed well, and all), not that they're necessarily terribly interesting. They can be fun, though, if you're in the mood for it, and with their easily-accessible style of gameplay, they hold quite an appeal for both longtime fans and newcomers.

Posted by: HolyCeles 13th May 2014 19:56
I quite like mario games actually, though if find the 3-d ones frustrating.
Back to the point of the topic-

The graphics of FF7 actually look terrible, the people look like playmobile (that plastic sets i used to get as a kid)

Finaal Fantasy 5 is very awesome.






Super smash bros i think is a good game, and i will be buying it for the 3ds, not wii u because i don't own one.

Posted by: Sherick 13th May 2014 22:03
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Super Smash Brothers is half bad platformer, half inferior fighting game. It's only popular at all because people go gaga for Nintendo characters and the N64 didn't have any good fighters.

Only if you view it as a fighting game, which is something it's not trying to be.

Posted by: laszlow 13th May 2014 23:38
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Super Smash Brothers is half bad platformer, half inferior fighting game.  It's only popular at all because people go gaga for Nintendo characters and the N64 didn't have any good fighters.

Only if you view it as a fighting game, which is something it's not trying to be.

If I view it as a "party arena game" or a "casual fanservice button-masher" then it still isn't fun. If I want to play a multiplayer Nintendo game in a group, I'll take one of the various Mario Karts over the three Smash games 100 times out of 100.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 14th May 2014 00:19
Quote (HolyCeles @ 13th May 2014 14:56)
I quite like mario games actually, though if find the 3-d ones frustrating.

I haven't played the later 3D ones, but I find Super Mario 64 interesting though not that great.

It's very curious and interesting and fun to explore. There's lots to see and do, and that's what makes me enjoy it. But when playing SM64 I felt that I was frequently fighting the camera.

Granted, a lot of 3D platformer games have trouble with this.

Posted by: BlitzSage 14th May 2014 01:43
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If I view it as a "party arena game" or a "casual fanservice button-masher" then it still isn't fun.  If I want to play a multiplayer Nintendo game in a group, I'll take one of the various Mario Karts over the three Smash games 100 times out of 100.


The N64 one wasn't a button-masher, it was actually pretty nuanced. Or maybe my opinion is due to my unpopular opinion, that fighters absolutely suck. There has never been one moment for me, in Street Fighter, for example, when it didn't feel like random button-mashing and crappy gameplay.

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It seems to me that the Mario games are your standard obstacle-course platformer. The main thing with them is that they're good at what they do (as in, designed well, and all), not that they're necessarily terribly interesting. They can be fun, though, if you're in the mood for it, and with their easily-accessible style of gameplay, they hold quite an appeal for both longtime fans and newcomers.


Which Mario games? The classics? I'd disagree, especially about SMB3 and SMW, though I would say that DKC is better in my opinion.

Posted by: dekupride 14th May 2014 05:58
Oh, and at least to me, the Monster Hunter series has always seemed like a broken piece of crap to me. The monster designs are great and all, and descriptions of how the game is supposed to work sounds salvageable, but in practice, NOTHING F$@%#%$ WORKS.

I know I have this uncanny ability to trigger glitches in games, but nowhere near to this degree.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 14th May 2014 08:34
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It seems to me that the Mario games are your standard obstacle-course platformer. The main thing with them is that they're good at what they do (as in, designed well, and all), not that they're necessarily terribly interesting. They can be fun, though, if you're in the mood for it, and with their easily-accessible style of gameplay, they hold quite an appeal for both longtime fans and newcomers.


Which Mario games? The classics? I'd disagree, especially about SMB3 and SMW, though I would say that DKC is better in my opinion.

I actually had the half or so of NSMB in my head when I wrote that.

I agree that it applies less to SMB3 and SMW, which feel more open and explorable due to multi-pathing on the map and the flight ability within levels.

Posted by: HolyCeles 14th May 2014 17:29
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Oh, and at least to me, the Monster Hunter series has always seemed like a broken piece of crap to me. 

To be honest, never acually liked the Monster hunter games, though i found the latest one (MH3U) ok actually.

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Which Mario games? The classics? I'd disagree, especially about SMB3 and SMW, though I would say that DKC is better in my opinion


DKC is pretty much the same. You are talking about Donkey kong country right?

Posted by: laszlow 14th May 2014 19:46
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The N64 one wasn't a button-masher, it was actually pretty nuanced. Or maybe my opinion is due to my unpopular opinion, that fighters absolutely suck. There has never been one moment for me, in Street Fighter, for example, when it didn't feel like random button-mashing and crappy gameplay.

The fact that you call Smash Brothers nuanced and Street Fighter crappy is disappointing and hilarious to me. But whatever; to each his own. We can each just accuse the other of sucking and be done with it.

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Oh, and at least to me, the Monster Hunter series has always seemed like a broken piece of crap to me.  The monster designs are great and all, and descriptions of how the game is supposed to work sounds salvageable, but in practice, NOTHING F$@%#%$ WORKS.

As someone who has played upwards of 300 hours of Monster Hunter and enjoys the ones I've played (mostly Freedom 2 and Unite), you're pretty much right. Monster Hunter is a mess of bad hitboxes, sluggish gameplay, and unbalanced pacing. You should only play Monster Hunter if the following are true:

1. You have at least two friends to regularly play with.
2 . One of them gives you a copy of an appropriate Monster Hunter game for zero price.
3. You are willing to sink dozens of hours into quests before you earn satisfying rewards

If all three of those are true then you're probably already playing. Congrats. And sorry. Welcome to Monster Hunter purgatory.

Posted by: BlitzSage 15th May 2014 01:30
Quote (Glenn Magus Harvey @ 14th May 2014 04:34)
I actually had the half or so of NSMB in my head when I wrote that.

I agree that it applies less to SMB3 and SMW, which feel more open and explorable due to multi-pathing on the map and the flight ability within levels.

NSMB is pretty bland, and it's incomparable to DKCR in terms of level design, though I think that both are not interesting in terms of aesthetics.

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"disappointing and hilarious"


If I were a reviewer, that would be my blurb on the back of Street Fighter II! Or perhaps something like, "the best game of a crappy genre," or "point-and-click adventures have more nuanced gameplay."


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DKC is pretty much the same. You are talking about Donkey kong country right?


Yes, mostly DKC1, 2, Returns, and Tropical Freeze. And how do you mean the same?

Posted by: Blinge Odonata 15th May 2014 16:51
Quote (laszlow @ 13th May 2014 18:20)
Super Smash Brothers is half bad platformer, half inferior fighting game.  It's only popular at all because people go gaga for Nintendo characters and the N64 didn't have any good fighters.


Quote (Dekupride)
Some factually incorrect bullshit about Dark Souls


Oh man.. I.. I might have to leave CoN, from these two posts alone sad.gif

Laszlow, expect an earnest PM this evening..

Posted by: HolyCeles 15th May 2014 17:56
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DKC is pretty much the same. You are talking about Donkey kong country right?


Yes, mostly DKC1, 2, Returns, and Tropical Freeze. And how do you mean the same?

They seem very similar, it's lots of stages if different obstacle courses, but instead of collecting coins it's bannana's.

I guess DKC was a little more interesting because there was a different story to each game (sort of) rather than in mario it's just 'PEACH HAS BEEN KIDNAPED SH*T'
The only exception to that was the latest Super Mario 3d world for wii u, where you could play as peach.

Posted by: dekupride 16th May 2014 01:14
Quote (Blinge Odonata @ 15th May 2014 11:51)
Quote (laszlow @ 13th May 2014 18:20)
Super Smash Brothers is half bad platformer, half inferior fighting game.� It's only popular at all because people go gaga for Nintendo characters and the N64 didn't have any good fighters.


Quote (Dekupride)
Some factually incorrect bullshit about Dark Souls


Oh man.. I.. I might have to leave CoN, from these two posts alone sad.gif

Laszlow, expect an earnest PM this evening..

Oh no, an unpopular opinion on an unpopular opinion board!

Also, bye. Interpret that how you want.

Posted by: fatman 16th May 2014 13:24
Anyone played Braid before? A lot of journalists go on about how amazing and innovative it is. I thought it was really overated and a bit boring. I'm all for trying something different but it wasn't much fun.

Posted by: ElPanachino 16th May 2014 14:22
I have to agree with Lasz regarding the Smash Brothers series. Although there was a time when I enjoyed the original as a child, I lost interest in it pretty fast and eventually took to picking DK just so I could grab whoever was doing the best and jump off the edge with them.

As for Monster Hunter, there are some hit box issues with a few of the monsters. However, I'm of the opinion that if you truly believe that NOTHING works in the game then you're just doing it wrong. I say this having soloed everything in MHF2 and MHFU.

Braid is innovative but it does require a certain amount of patience at times that can make for boring gameplay.

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 19th May 2014 00:47
I prefer the Smash Bros. series over normal fighting games because i'm no good at remembering and executing a large variety of button combos, but rather, I prefer to have a few attacks on hand and be able to jump around the stage and avoid directly facing the opponent if I can help it. The platforming allows me a way of managing my gameplay that is intuitive to me, rather than simply having to rely on lots of button combos that aren't as intuitive.

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Anyone played Braid before? A lot of journalists go on about how amazing and innovative it is. I thought it was really overated and a bit boring. I'm all for trying something different but it wasn't much fun.

I didn't really like Braid, but that was more because I just suck at puzzle games.

BTW, speaking of New Super Mario Bros: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lotBnv_q9d8
(this may be funnier if you've seen Squid Girl)

Posted by: Glenn Magus Harvey 25th August 2015 14:57
Time to bring back this thread with a few more controversial opinions.

* it's perfectly okay for a PC game to not offer resolution options above 1080p, or run above 30fps.

* It's perfectly okay for a PC game to be best played or even only playable windowed.

* It's perfectly okay for a game to not have achievements.

* It's perfectly okay for a game on Steam to not have all or even any of the following: Steam achievements, Steam trading cards, Steam Cloud, (if multiplayer) multiplayer served through Steam (though the last one would be the nicest of these to have).

* It's perfectly fine for more NES-style classic-series Mega Man games to be made. The next entries from the Mega Man series have no requirement to be notably innovative/distinctive/novel.

I'm getting the sense lately that a number of gamers are irritatingly demanding.

Posted by: chevleclair 25th August 2015 18:18
The following have been stated often by me and I will explain them if asked.

I loathe FFVIII and FFX. FFXIII is also awful.

FFXIII was so awful for me, that I completely lost interest in any FF game afterword.

I totally agree with the latest bullet points from Glenn, and am annoyed when those are advertised selling points in a game.

The side scrolling classic Castlevania games trump the Metroidvania games (except for SOTN). I, for the first time in my life, beat Dracula in the first Castlevania game, and I thought they heard my howl of triumph from Japan.




Posted by: Narratorway 25th August 2015 21:17
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I'm getting the sense lately that a number of gamers are irritatingly demanding.


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Posted by: chevleclair 26th August 2015 02:12
I'm sorry that this might upset people who think that reading takes too much effort, but voice acting also isn't necessary to make a game good, either.

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